[I started writing this response several months ago, but never finished. Now I'm cleaning out my files and I thought I would send it out as is in the hopes of...
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danny7342001
Jun 12, 2004 4:07 pm
seems like a pretty quiet group...if anyone still watches it... i am a long time student of religion and philosophy. i am now interested in classical thought,...
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Jim Stebinger
jimboman222000
Jun 26, 2004 7:48 am
Yes, Homer was the basis of classical education in ethics, courage, rhetoric, politics,etc. Rather like Shakespeare in our culture and in some ways like the...
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jimboman222000
Jun 28, 2004 7:46 pm
How did everyone like Troy??...
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chaffin
zyxchaffin
Jul 4, 2004 8:55 am
I thought it was a classic until the ending, which I thought was weak and too hollywood. kc ... From: jimboman222000 To: homer@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday,...
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jacostopoulo@...
Jul 4, 2004 7:33 pm
It was better than I thought it would be, but still only mediocre. It was just impossible to imagine Brad Pitt playing Achilles so I went into it with low...
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chaffin
zyxchaffin
Jul 4, 2004 11:19 pm
Well, since the trojan horse wasn't in the poem I knew that if they wanted the big ending they were going to have to go beyond homer. However, even though I...
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jimboman222000
Jul 5, 2004 9:33 pm
Well, Since I started this I guess I ought to weigh in. I thought it was a great Sword and Sandals movie with all the trimmings. I like the genre and was not...
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Bijon Sinha
vijaymassage
Jul 10, 2004 6:14 pm
I thought it was COMPLETE Hollywood! Troy/Iliad without the gods?! bk homer@yahoogroups.com wrote: There is 1 message in this issue. Topics in this digest: 1....
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mxc_rules120
Sep 26, 2004 2:04 pm
I'm reading "The Odyssey" and I was wondering why are Poseidon and Zeus so mad at Odysseus? (right after the fall of Troy)...
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chaffin
zyxchaffin
Sep 27, 2004 8:50 pm
well, i am probably wrong, but i thought the reason poseidon was mad at odysseus was because he put out the eye of his son, the cyclops. You remember, "and...
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Jim Stebinger
jimboman222000
Sep 28, 2004 1:14 am
In general all the gods are mad at the all Greeks returning from Troy because of sacrileges committed during the fall of Troy such as the murder of little...
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jacostopoulo@...
Sep 28, 2004 9:00 pm
Keep in mind that Poseidon and Apollo had built the walls of Troy and Poseidon sided with the Trojans. It was the trickery of Odysseus (the wooden horse) that...
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Jim Stebinger
jimboman222000
Sep 29, 2004 8:07 am
....Good point about Poseidon and Apollo's support for the Trojans. The stories do vary but as far as I know Ajax the Lesser raped Cassandra (that is why his...
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Lancelot R. Fletcher
lrfletcher
Jun 3, 2006 9:37 am
My plato-timaeus list has been quiet for some time, but a few subscribers have recently indicated a desire to launch a slow reading of this dialogue. If you...
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richard.scottrobinson
richard.scot...
Nov 16, 2009 2:20 pm
Hi, My name is Richard Scott-Robinson, 52, and I live in the UK. I have read Lance Fletcher's essay on Slow Reading and find this approach to philosophy very...
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Lancelot Fletcher
lrfletcher
Nov 16, 2009 2:54 pm
Richard, Thanks for your message. I owe you an apology for the delay in posting your message. As can be seen from the date stamp below, your message was...
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Lancelot Fletcher
lrfletcher
Nov 16, 2009 3:15 pm
I mentioned in my previous message that I just finished teaching the Iliad a week ago, and the reason I visited the website for this list today, for the first...
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Henry R. Moreno
henrymoreno3...
Nov 16, 2009 3:33 pm
Hi Lance, As a wild guess, could Briseus, the father of Briseis, have been involved with the worship of Poseidon. Poseidon was anti-Trojan. To me, this...
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Lancelot Fletcher
lrfletcher
Nov 16, 2009 4:01 pm
... I doubt it. It's very clear in book 1 that the father of Briseis is a priest of Apollo. ... But the prayer and oath that Agamemnon has just made is offered...
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henry@...
henrymoreno3...
Nov 16, 2009 7:10 pm
Hi Lancelot, I am confused. I believe that the priest of Apollo was Chryses, the father of Chryseis and, also, the brother of Briseus. It was Chryses who ...
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Lancelot Fletcher
lrfletcher
Nov 16, 2009 7:18 pm
You're right. I am the one who was confused. Lance ... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]...
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Lampros F. Kallenos
polytexnitis
Nov 16, 2009 10:01 pm
A look at Walter Leaf's Iliad 19.267 confirmed what I seemed to recall: The victim of the sacrifice is thrown to the sea because Agamemnon's oath is also to...
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HackBar9@...
Nov 17, 2009 4:42 am
The reaction of the Greeks and Trojans Il. 3.298-301 suggests a second purpose for sacrifices that accompany oaths- they are not just to gain divine favor, but...
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Lancelot Fletcher
lrfletcher
Nov 17, 2009 6:46 pm
Thanks. That's very interesting, and might be correct -- but what about Zeus? Wouldn't he be displeased if an oath is sworn to him and yet he gets no part of...
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jacostopoulo@...
Nov 17, 2009 7:40 pm
Richad, I hope your reading is continuing apace. Let me just make a few brief comments to your initial comments. ... This is certianly the proximate cause of...
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HackBar9@...
Nov 18, 2009 4:26 am
Lance, It seems to me that Agamemmon does state that he never touched the girl and he uses the language of a solemn oath to do it. I would translate 19. 258 as...
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Lancelot Fletcher
lrfletcher
Nov 18, 2009 8:27 am
David, I meant that previously, in speaking to the other people, Agamemnon has not made this asseveration but has only stated that he would swear such an oath....
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elefsus
Nov 18, 2009 7:01 pm
I have never heard what the standard form of sacrifice was to validate an oath. I have read that to honor the gods a sacrifice was partly burned and the rest...
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HackBar9@...
Nov 18, 2009 7:26 pm
Lance, I appreciate your suspicion of oaths. Last night I just happened to read Livy 22.58 where one of the Roman prisoners, who is being allowed to visit Rome...
