Lance, what system would work? If Quinn's theory is correct how would it be applied?National socialism? Global socialism? ;-) Also Quinn tells readers that it...
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Lance Bermudez
becnalrio
Jul 1, 2003 8:30 am
No, Echo, I disagree. You can't ask everyone to put their own 'humanity' on hold until we get around to fixing things. Well, you CAN, but it wouldn't work....
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Lance Bermudez
becnalrio
Jul 1, 2003 8:30 am
M, I haven't written any posts to you that were hostile. If you interpreted them that way, then I'm sorry. Lance ~~~ "I need so much time for doing nothing...
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Lance Bermudez
becnalrio
Jul 1, 2003 8:30 am
My girlfriend and I have sex everyday. We have never and will never reproduce. Humans on this planet have used contraception for eons. Navajos, Bushmen,...
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Lance Bermudez
becnalrio
Jul 1, 2003 8:30 am
We don't LET people starve. We let them take care of themselves. When a heroin addict is suffering from withdrawal symptons, do you refuse to let him suffer...
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Lance Bermudez
becnalrio
Jul 1, 2003 8:31 am
Personal attacks are NOT acceptable here. We come here to exchange ideas and to find a sort of community of similarly minded people. Personal attacks ruin...
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Bill Ellis
tranet@...
Jul 1, 2003 11:05 am
... BE: Of course is a sense you are right. We have to take on faith that we exist, or that any one else exists, or that the world exists. BUT... When I see...
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Lord Isildur
il2a@...
Jul 1, 2003 11:19 am
... Not true. We have not been acting against human nature, we have merely been witnessing human nature under circumstances nevere previously encountered. We...
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Bill Ellis
tranet@...
Jul 1, 2003 12:57 pm
... BE: Why worry about the name of a political system. If we-the-people want to live tribally in communities why not just do it. In facy many of us are: The...
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Jason Godesky
jefgodesky
Jul 1, 2003 1:08 pm
... Yes, that's how, say, Christianity works. But shamanism is very practical. A big part of shamanism is getting together with other shamans and discussing...
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Bill Ellis
tranet@...
Jul 1, 2003 1:54 pm
... BE: Echo, I give you an A+ for trying. Most people don't even try. Why study the sky? Wy study the brain? Why study fish? Why study the weather? Why...
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Stephen Figgins
srfig
Jul 1, 2003 1:58 pm
Echo, I want to understand what you are saying about science and religion. Going back to your original explanation I think you are saying that you make this...
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Scott
rsj2home
Jul 1, 2003 2:32 pm
... merely ... recently ... don't ... Not true....
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Lord Isildur
il2a@...
Jul 1, 2003 2:46 pm
Many people propose half-baked alternatives to the proven and well-established 'catastrophic collapse' ending to such unstable, escalatory scenarios. One is...
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Stephen Figgins
srfig
Jul 1, 2003 4:49 pm
... Proven and well-established? I understand you are comparing this to our economic and population growth, but I don't understand what these other unstable...
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Lord Isildur
il2a@...
Jul 1, 2003 5:00 pm
... We have already far overshot our stable capacity. Isildur...
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Dale Barnard
barnarddale
Jul 1, 2003 5:15 pm
Echo mentioned looking to some children because they are less corrupted by Taker culture. I'm not sure what I think of that idea, but it raised another...
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Mary
ana_chism
Jul 1, 2003 5:28 pm
... We have already overshot, so collapse is in fact inevitable. We don't have to collapse completely, however. We could collapse only down to the limit of...
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Stephen Figgins
srfig
Jul 1, 2003 5:39 pm
... Okay, so you do see this as following a limits to growth model. In addition you believe we cannot plateau as we have already overshot our limit to growth. ...
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Stephen Figgins
srfig
Jul 1, 2003 5:41 pm
... Okay, same question I posed to Isuldur then, on what do you base the statement that we have overshot? -Stephen...
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Lord Isildur
il2a@...
Jul 1, 2003 5:45 pm
indefinitely sustainable carrying capacity, as evidenced by archaeology, ecology, biology: approx 15 million. current population: approx 6.5 billion. that's...
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wcc@...
carrofplano
Jul 1, 2003 5:51 pm
... Isildur, you can do better than that. Give us references to the information. Right now you are just quoting numbers that you could have made up. --Xavier...
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s logan
kiddhalgren2003
Jul 1, 2003 5:52 pm
It is not certain that things will end in catastrophe. It *is* highly probable, however. There are a few examples of human cultures making extremely radical...
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s logan
kiddhalgren2003
Jul 1, 2003 6:02 pm
My calculations, based upon my study of the agricultural societies of Eastern Asia indicate that the Earth could probably support 100 million human beings...
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Stephen Figgins
srfig
Jul 1, 2003 6:09 pm
... I will accept that we have overshot the hunter-gatherer carrying capacity. Carrying capacity, however, depends on what animal we are talking about and how...
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Lord Isildur
il2a@...
Jul 1, 2003 6:15 pm
'energy for other uses came from other sources' what other uses, what other sources? The earth had about 100 million humans about 2000 years ago, in the mid to...
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Lord Isildur
il2a@...
Jul 1, 2003 6:20 pm
If you ignore the distinction between _sustainable_ lifestyles and _unsustainable_ lifestyles, i'm sure my point makes little sense. If, however, you are...
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Stephen Figgins
srfig
Jul 1, 2003 6:38 pm
... Yeah, I can see how our current methods are unsustainable, but I can also see how they can be made sustainable. Saying the capacity is a hard 15 million...
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Michelle Lyon
mml73ba
Jul 1, 2003 7:08 pm
You make a good point about children. Keep in mind though that *because* they are still young, Taker culture has not yet planted firm roots in them. Kids are a...
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Lord Isildur
il2a@...
Jul 1, 2003 7:12 pm
1. re the folks in india, is it a closed system? what about resources from further afield? 2. It is not impossible that low-intensity agriculture can coexist...
