Hello, Ted, and welcome. Since I haven't seen any replies to your query so far, I thought I'd respond as best I can. Unfortunately your four-item list doesn't...
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papillon
papillonlove...
Apr 2, 2006 7:59 pm
the best possibility from my perspective would be "beyond civilization" which is the most direct in tone and would probably have specific advice such as you ...
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Stephen Figgins
srfig
Apr 3, 2006 4:49 pm
... I don't believe he has put this list in any of his books. He didn't write about what tribal organization might mean until Beyond Civilization. I just...
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Lomelindo
lindirartanaro
Apr 3, 2006 5:36 pm
Greetings everyone, Ive been lurking here for awhile now, and one thing has been bugging, perhaps someone here could help me out Quinn asserts that if the...
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Lomelindo
lindirartanaro
Apr 3, 2006 9:35 pm
ACtually nevermind, I re-read some of Quinn's writings and have come to the conclusion that the "programs"; he was referring werent memes at all. Wow, that was...
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etbyh
Apr 3, 2006 9:59 pm
Well, re-reading to clarify is a fine thing to do. Perhaps I can suggest a third way to think about it, too. When I think of "meme" the important attributes to...
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Stephen Figgins
srfig
Apr 3, 2006 10:14 pm
... It means something different. A meme means a spreadable idea, the cultural equivalent of a gene. Memes have more to do with what Quinn means by vision,...
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Stephen Figgins
srfig
Apr 3, 2006 10:16 pm
... hehe.... I suppose you can ignore my answer then, but I wouldn't mind hearing if what I wrote matches your new understanding of programs and memes. ...
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Lomelindo
lindirartanaro
Apr 3, 2006 10:35 pm
Yea that makes sense. I think I read something that likened memes to programs when reading something about memetics, which I then for some reason applied to...
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Lomelindo
lindirartanaro
Apr 3, 2006 10:40 pm
Interesting. I think many people focus too much on programs (memetic Band-aids)which simply postpones the inevitable rather than recognizing that the meme we...
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Stephen Figgins
srfig
Apr 4, 2006 12:54 am
... In BC, Quinn compares it to first aid for someone badly hurt in a car accident. What the paramedics can do for you might get you to the hospital, but...
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Lomelindo
lindirartanaro
Apr 4, 2006 1:09 am
I like that analogy. I have not yet read Beyond Civilization. Ive read Ishmael and Story of B and am currently reading My Ishmael. ... to ... early ... car ...
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Rainbow Flight
kitesfun2000
Apr 4, 2006 2:13 am
Gidday Martian...Stephen Thanks for that. It may have been in a speach or essay, but I'm feeling quite sure if was from DQ.....I'll keep searching back through...
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Stephen Figgins
srfig
Apr 4, 2006 2:11 pm
... Let us know if you do. I feel curious about the context of this quote. -Stephen...
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Gus Steeves
wolfcrowgus
Apr 4, 2006 10:31 pm
Hi, all, While I agree the ultimate goal is changed minds/memes, new programs can act as stepping stones to the changed world we seek, when well-implemented. ...
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whistling_lass
Apr 4, 2006 11:14 pm
... Sometimes they aren't willing or able. Sometimes they are willing, but unable because there aren't lots of opportunities to live outside taker culture and...
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Stephen Figgins
srfig
Apr 4, 2006 11:16 pm
... Yeah, it occurred to me that programs sometimes do lead to changed minds. Environmentalism, for example, has changed quite a few minds, and opened many to...
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Issa
barefoot1342
Apr 5, 2006 3:47 am
... This is driving me crazy! I feel like I've heard this before, too, but I can't come up with it. For some reason it seems like Tom might have said something...
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papillon
papillonlove...
Apr 5, 2006 6:08 am
... ??? i thought that the root of the word literally means "country dweller," suggestive of someone who lives in out in the country or woods and is therefore ...
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Lisa Wilcox
whoaelsie2
Apr 5, 2006 6:25 am
... Why? Lisa...
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tomandmolly2001
Apr 5, 2006 6:27 am
Issa says: For some reason it seems like Tom might have said something like this on this list... Tom W says: Not me. I don't actually agree with those four...
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Stephen Figgins
srfig
Apr 5, 2006 9:19 pm
... Yep, as in hick, country dweller, hayseed, farmer, dirt-grubber. City dwellers used it pejoratively to describe those less refined people of the...
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papillon
papillonlove...
Apr 5, 2006 9:45 pm
... because many practitioners of religion, in my experience, adhere to the "one right way (which is my way)" meme, participate in a hierarchical power ...
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papillon
papillonlove...
Apr 5, 2006 9:52 pm
... no problem. i see us as discussing perspectives, and i hear where you're coming from. i don't know that i consider myself a taker or a leaver... but i...
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ishmael_discussion@ya...
Apr 10, 2006 12:59 am
Hi - Martian, list owner here. I hope you are enjoying using this list; it is one of the oldest, and probably the most successful, Ishmael lists on the web. ...
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whistling_lass
Apr 12, 2006 8:25 pm
Ever since reading Quinn's books, I've been looking at the world in a different way...trying to suss out what's "natural" and not just purely "civilized" or...
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papillon
papillonlove...
Apr 12, 2006 10:22 pm
i've wondered before if cats and dogs had cancer and liver diseases and such before we started feeding them commercial pet foods. poppy ... ...
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whistling_lass
Apr 13, 2006 12:58 am
... Yeah. There are lots of cases of cats getting diabetes. Cats shouldn't have diabetes. They don't eat any carbohydrates...except the little bit found in...
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Lomelindo
lindirartanaro
Apr 13, 2006 6:22 pm
I had a question for you all : Do you think the ancient Celts (before the coming of Anglo-Saxon invaders) were Takers, Leavers, or something in between? I have...
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Stephen Figgins
srfig
Apr 13, 2006 7:58 pm
... In between, perhaps? Early Takers? The term Celtic covers quite a few people though. The early Celts -- the q-celts -- seem to have had more in common...
