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#8573 From: Sreepalan VC <sreepal5058@...>
Date: Sat May 31, 2008 12:21 am
Subject: Ego - An analysis from the Jain viewpoint
sreepal5058
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Samyak Darshan

Dear Shri Nilesh Kothari,

Your e mail name is "soul searcher" and how long would you be searching soul
i.e., your self? Your SELF is SOUL and SOUL is your SELF.

Venerable Achaarya Shri Kund Kund Dev said that the one who knows oneself knows
every thing – gynaani – and one who does not know oneself knows nothing –
agynaani.

To know one’s self what is required is ‘ruchi’ or interest on one’s
Self. Its absence is the entrenched presence of anger on self - ‘anantanubndhi
krodh’.

The one who has known Self ‘as it is’- thathvaarth - and not ‘as it
appears’ and believes ‘as it is’ would certainly experience the Self –
swaroopa aacharan - at least for a split second – Samaya. That one is gynaani
and is in the path of making of Keval Gynaani.

It starts form the fourth Gunasthan – avirth Samyakdhristhi - and culminates
in thirteenth Gunasthan – Sayogi Kevali.

Well on your questions:

Quote:
'if gnani's are present or can be present in this world now.'

Answer:

Why not?

Who is gynaani according to passionless Jina dharma?

‘Know thyself; and be thyself’ – Achaarya Shri Kund Kund Dev. One who has
followed it, is none other than Gynaani. For more you may repeat studying the
foregoing paras.

Gynaanis are present and shall be so for all the times to come but no gynaani
will proclaim to the world that he is gynaani and on the contrary world only
proclaims him as gynaani. The number may be reducing and may be very few or
countable as the downward cycle time is progressing.

Nothing prohibits your good selves to become gynaani as all facilities are
present in you from beginning less time and shall be so for all the time to come
to know, believe and conduct as gynnai.

Choice is solely yours and yours alone.

Quote:
Also would like to know what has Acharaya KK said about "ego" and who does one
go about dissolving it.

Analysis:
On ‘ego’:
Ego – aham -, as generally understood is Selfishness only and its meaning in
dictionary is personality, self, self-image, sense of self, self-esteem, etc.

Every Soul has ego and it may vary in degree but not in kind.

By selfishness only, one can achieve the ultimate – lasting bliss – Keval
Gynaan and Niravaan. However, what is selfishness has to be understood without
an iota of doubt and those who had understood it rightly and believed it only,
secured the goal of human birth - Mukthi.

On the contrary, those who have misconceived or misconstrued selfishness and
placed faith on one’s body or body and soul together, continue their beginning
less journey of birth and death and shall do so for all the times to come -
samsaar.

The differentia is simple as the nature of the two substances viz., Self –
Soul – and body are entirely different as the former is conscious and
non-physical and the later is non-conscious and physical. They are independent
and self-subsisting.

Facilities such as gynaan, darshan, strength and bliss are inherently entrenched
in every soul and so their use has to be in right direction i.e., knowing and
seeing canalised on its own self and in short, be a knower and seer –
gynaayak.

It is next to impossibility to dispense or cut of ‘knowing and seeing’ from
Self but it can be diverted or directed towards itself. In short, be truly
selfish.

Yours brotherly,
Sreepalan

#8574 From: Sandeep Jain <sandeepjain1968@...>
Date: Sat May 31, 2008 5:36 am
Subject: Re: [JainList] 'Sarita' Magazine discriminated Jain Religion & Saints. 'VIRODH SABHA' on 30th May,11 am onwards
sandeepjain1968
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Dear Members,
Jai Jinendra,

I think this not Ist time when Sarita Magazine has published against Jains & Jain Munies.
I am agree with Mr. Rajendra Jain's view & we should raised our voice. I also appeal to all jain political leaders to to raise this issue so that not only Sarita but other may get lession.

Regards,

Sandeep Jain
Noida



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From: R K DAGA <rajendrak_daga@...>
Subject: Re: [JainList] 'Sarita' Magazine discriminated Jain Religion & Saints. 'VIRODH SABHA' on 30th May,11 am onwards
To: jainlist@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, 30 May, 2008, 7:04 PM

Sadar Jai Jinendra,

Jains are targeted several times but united we have overcome. I apppeal to all Jains to not only participate in Virodh Sabha but also to write to the Publisher and boycott the magazine.

Warm regards,
Rajendra



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#8575 From: "Ajay Jain" <vardhmanajay@...>
Date: Sat May 31, 2008 1:21 pm
Subject: Re: [JainList] Chandragupta & Chankya as per jain texts- part
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Respected Sir
 
Jai Jinendra
 
This is very interesting .
Great Chanakya as guru and Great Chandragupta as Pupil.
 
 
thjanx
 
vardhmanajay

On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 12:29 AM, AMIT PRAKASH JAIN <ameetpjain@...> wrote:

Chandragupta was observed keenly by Chanakya.Chanakya examined him many times to see whether he has got qualities of becoming a king or not.
When Chanakya assured himself then he too Chandragupta alongwith him for his training.
Here, I would like to mention that in ancient times, the common man's language was prakrit or Magadhi.In this language, Chandragupta was called as Chandgutti.

Chanakya educated him & gave him the training of battle.

Chandragupta was very intelligent & brave, he soon learnt what he was taught by his guru Chanakya.

Chanakya & Chandragupta formed an army & in great enthusiasm straight away attacked Patliputra.As they were not so much matured & as they directly attacked the capital, they were defeated.
Both of them then wandered from place to place.

An interesting thing has been written in jaina-texts that during this period, once these both were near a small hut in which a mother was giving Chapati to her son.
The son was throwing away the outer regions of the chapati & was eating only the cental part.At this, the mother said that "Oh my son, you are doing the same mistake what Chandragupta had done.He dreams of becoming king of Patliputra but doesn't know how to attack the enemy.Without conquering the peripheral regions he directly attacked the capital, like this he cannot ever defeat Dhananand."

Listening to this , they understood their mistake.
Chanakya directed Chandragupta to sign a treaty with King Puru of North-west frontier.The king agreed & then a combined army attacked the Nanda kingdom & defeated him.

Chanakya, made Chandragupta as the king of India.He became his Prime minister.
Chanakya also appointed some of the ministers who served Dhanananda.

Really, for the first time in the history our country became like one "Nation".
See the combination- A brave, intelligent & dharmic king & a brilliant politician, economist, loyal, respected Prime-minister.

Chandragupta once saw 10 dreams ----------
(To be continued-------)

Dr. Amit Prakash Jain




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vardhmanajay

#8576 From: AMIT PRAKASH JAIN <ameetpjain@...>
Date: Sun Jun 1, 2008 1:25 pm
Subject: An anti Jain article in The Hindu
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Well, it is correct the jains & the faith on jainism is always attacked
& mostly behind it are the hands of the brahmins.
Saliniji has rightly said that the brahmins have adopted vegetarianism from
jainism.
Have you noticed one thing that the brahmins do not eat meat etc for their
purity, but they don't ask the same to be followed by other castes specially the
dalits.
I am sure if dalits stops eating meating meat & drinking alcohol, that is
follow thw jain-path, they will surely improve a lot.
A lot of money of poor people is wasted on the meat & alcohol.It brings to
them- disease, family-quarrels , poverty & sins.
Jainism asks everybody to follow the same principles, whether of any varna.
Saliniji, let us work to awaken the dalits that they were once jasin-shravaks
& at that time they were very well-to-do, socially, politically,
economically & spiritually.
Brahmin is the one who knows "Brahm" meams the aatma or the self
 
Dr. Amit Prakash Jain

#8577 From: "Sudhir M. Shah" <sudhir@...>
Date: Mon Jun 2, 2008 5:02 am
Subject: Re: [JainList] Defining "Jain food"
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Welcome Anishbhai to this discussion. I am thrilled to know that You agree on some aspects with me. ( In past posting you have had massive disagreements with my views)
This certainly opens up an opportunity for a dialogue.
 
I completely agree with you on the fact that the word "Jain food" is not mentioned anywhere in Jain scriptures. We have cooked up this concept and its practice along with many other practices and rituals. I also agree with you that we do not need to follow Jews and Muslims or even a fellow Jain in everything. I only mentioned them as an evidence to support the logic I was presenting. Weather they have a concept of Ahimsa  and Anekantvad can be left to another long discussion (I have studied both, Q'uran and Torah!)
 
I am glad you agree that avoidance of anger, greed, ego and deceit are more important than dietary restrictions. In fact our diet can be an important tool that can supports our spirituality and our health. Further discussion on this important subject can be left for later.
Anishbhai, if calling someone who charges between 2 and 3 % compound interest per month to unsuspecting poor borrower, a loan shark is being judgmental than I am guilty!. Is there a judgment involved in calling someone judgmental?
 
"to each his own"
If you carefully read my e-mail you may see that I am in full agreement with this statement by Manishbhai. In fact, as an editor of Jain Digest magazine, I have selected "anekant" as the theme for the upcoming issue. you may want to read my editorial. I have given several presentations both, nationally and internationally on this subject. I am also a co-founder (along with my wife) of Anekant Education Foundation established in 1993. Currently I am in the process of setting up an infrastructure for "Project Anekant".  with three primary objectives 
1. Conflict Resolution/Problem Solving  2. Creating Mutual understanding & Respect  3.Jain Unity Inclusiveness Training.
Weather one consumes potato or dairy or avoids it, is a personal choice. I am against forced rules and restrictions and a strong believer in education as a vehicle for social change.
So Anishbhai you may continue to believe that potato is a root, however we in the scientific community follow logic and evidence. Based on all the scientific evidence, Potato is a tuberous stem. Following description is accepted by the entire scientific community.

"Potato tubers are the development of enlarged stolons thickened into storage organs, they are specialized swollen stems.[2] [3][4]The tuber has all the parts of a normal stem, including nodes and internodes, the nodes are the eyes and each have a leaf scar. The nodes or eyes are arranged around the tuber in a spiral fashion beginning on the end opposite the attachment point to the stolon. The terminal bud is produced at the farthest point away from the stolon attachment and tuber thus shows the same apical dominance of a normal stem. Internally a tuber is filled with starch stored in enlarged parenchyma like cells; also internally the tuber has the typical cell structures of any stem, including a pith, vascular zones and a cortex."

Anishbhai, being "vegan" is not my pet belief. It is neither an ideal nor a goal. It is a life style that is natural and effortless extension of my respect for the life of other beings, the same way anekant is my respect for views of the other. In my opinion it is the ultimate affirmation of our humanity.

I am glad Anishbhai that Jains are actively involved in humanitarian work. I am a firm believer in service as an honor rather than a responsibility. We have raised our children to contribute at least 5 hours a week to humanitarian service. Actually my younger son has been out of the house all day today(Sunday) for a 24 hour relay for AIDS awareness. Unfortunately, here in the USA, baring few exceptions, Jain community is satisfied with their once a year soup kitchen visit for a couple of hours as being socially responsible! (It is based on evidence and not just my opinion or judgment) Even the scholars who visit USA  give vows for fasting but never for avoiding anger, ego etc...or for getting involved in humanitarian activities! Anishbhai can you tell me about humanitarian service by Jains in India? How many hours per weeks per Jain. Few significant achievements by Jains in this area etc... It will give be some talking points in next inter-faith meeting. Here, I have not been able to show much evidence on Jain's contribution to humanitarian work. I am not against fasting. I just don't want to see Jains being limited to fasting and miss opportunity of spiritual growth in other areas.

Thanks again for giving me an opportunity for a candid discussion

Submitted with respect

Sudhir M. Shah

 
 
----- Original Message -----
From: "Anish A Shah" <anishshah19@...>
Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 11:06 AM
Subject: Re: [JainList] Defining "Jain food"

> Jai Jinendra,
>
> This is quite an interesting mail and I agree on some aspects with Sudhirbhai. But there are some aspects that I do not agree. No where in our Jain scriptures the word "Jain food"  mentioned. It has become a generic term by common usage in India....and I see nothing wrong in it. Comparisons are Ok.....but we need not follow Jews and Muslims in everything. It is disturbing to see that just because others are doing it...we should follow. They dont have our concept of Ahimsa and Anekantavada.
>
> I agree that avoidance of anger , greed is quite important than dietary restrictions. I think at the same time we should also avoid generalisations and being Judgemental. For example there is a big difference between a money lender and a loan shark. As Manishbhai's previous mails explains "to each his own" - some way avoid onion garlic, potato but not carrots....others may avoid that also. (By the way Potato is a tuberous root and not a stem..)  I guess every own has their own pet beliefs - Some are Vegan, some believe in fasting, others in swadhyay - everyone has his/her concept of Dharma. But these are only a menas to an end...not the utlimate goal of Dharma itself. One may identifies himself to his cause but should not call others as hypocrite - you fall in trap of generalisation and being Judgemental. "Attributing the entire religion to food" is once again wrong and a generalised statement. Some may do it...but not all. Same with this generalised statement - "Why have we reduced
> this great philosophy in to be a kitchen religion" Such generalised statement do more harm than Good.
>
> Another statement - "instead of limiting our penance to fasting we get involved with additional humanitarian work " who says that Jains dont do humanitarian work and Why cant they do both fasting/ penances as well as humanitarian work. How is penances coming in way of humanitarian work?
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> Of course I agree with Sudhirbhai, Veganism is good and a higher ideal........but not the only ideal or a final goal.
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#8578 From: SANJAY KUMAR JAIN <vishwajains@...>
Date: Mon Jun 2, 2008 8:06 am
Subject: Video clip of Protest in front of Delhi Press, Jhandewalan, New Delhi on 30 May 2008
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Dear friends,
       
Pl see the Video clip of Protest in front of Delhi Press, Jhandewalan, New Delhi on 30 May 2008. We handed over a 2nd memerandum cum notice (1st notice sent on 20th May 08 for withdrawing article within 7 days but the MD of Delhi Press expired on 27 May) to the management of Delhi Press in the presence of Delhi Police for withdrawing its false & baseless article from Sarita Magazine against the jainism, Jain saints, Jain followers & jain functions with in three days. We will file criminal cases against them in the court of law. We will win positively.
 
 
Thnaks
Sunjay Jain, President
Vishwa Jain Sangathan (Regd.)
Mob#: 09312278313


#8579 From: "Manish Yashodhar Modi" <manishymodi@...>
Date: Tue Jun 3, 2008 3:16 am
Subject: Charity work: How unselfless?
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Dear Sudhirbhai and listmembers,
Jay Jinendra

Since this point was raised in an earlier email, just a quick couple
of sentences on charity as shown by missionaries.

The purpose of missionary charity had largely been conversion. All the
missionary schools and hospitals in India are primarily funded by the
Government (which means, we taxpayers pay for them) and they were all
founded in order to proselytise and convert people to Christianity.
That is why they are known as Missionary Schools and Missionary
Hospitals.

Jains do not believe in proselytising. Jains do a huge amount of
charity in India. They do not just fund temples.

The Rajabai Tower, which houses the Mumbai University Library, was
funded by the Premchand Roychand family, Katchi Visa Oswal Jains.
Jains have made many important donations to charities run by various
non-Jain organisations. But the donations are usually made in
individual names and therefore one may not know whether the person is
a Jain or not.

But there are a huge number of charitable trusts, hospitals, schools,
colleges, IAS Entrance training centres, etc run by Jain funding. So
please do not think that Jains are not into charitable acts.

If you want details of these, come to India. I shall give you reams
and reams of data. But do not sit in the US and pass judgement on
Jains in India.

You talk of Anekantavada, but seldom show any. You have fixed ideas
that you keep carry close to your heart. That Jains are miserly, spend
only on temples and understand nothing of the modern world.

Jains are a good deal smarter than you may think.

That is why they are by far, the best educated religious community in
India.

Sure, there is sometimes an irritating emphasis in rituals. Sure,
there dogmatism. But these are universal failings. Why single out Jains?

Also Sudhirbhai, please be clear about Jain teachings.

Other religions may teach that seva (service to mankind) is a way to god.

Jainism does not teach this.

Jainism teaches that there is not god who is administrating the world.
Thus we do not have to please anyone. We do that which pleases
ourselves and give us bliss.

The Jain credo is personal and permanent bliss. This can be attained
by sadhana. By dhyana and tapasya.

To become Mahavira, you need not become Mother Teresa. You need to
become a sadhaka, a yogi and contemplate upon your soul.

You need not worry about inter-faith meetings, but understand your own
soul better.

The whole idea behind Jain epistemology is that one must withdraw
inside oneself and contemplate only on the soul. All thoughts of
non-self and non-soul lead to attachment and binding.

Only delving into the soul and keeping one's upayoga on the soul can
bring about liberation from this samsara. That is the Jain way.

Please do not expect Jainism to conform to what Westerners perceive as
appropriate religious charitable behaviour.

And in case you wonder if Jain scriptures advise charity on the part
of the shravakas, please pick up any of the Shravakacaras of the
Digambara or Shvetambara tradition and you will find that they are
filled with injunctions, instructions and advice to be kind,
charitable, hospitable and to help others.

But this is from the vyavahara point of view. From the final point of
view the soul had to withdraw in itself, and remain focused on iself.
That alone is the path to liberation.

I request you to get your hands on all the Shravakacaras and read
them. They may not all be available in English, but what is stopping
you from learning the classical languages, Sanskrit and Prakrit? And
in any case, all the Shravakcaras are available with Hindi, Marathi,
Kannada and Gujarati translations. So just read the scriptures.
Perhaps you may find reason to revise your opinion.

Else, at least you have read some wonderful books.

with best wishes,
M

#8580 From: SANJAY KUMAR JAIN <vishwajains@...>
Date: Tue Jun 3, 2008 6:31 am
Subject: Request for signing the Protest Letter against Sarita
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Dear friends,
                      Sadar Jai-Jinendra

                       We are taking strict legal action against Delhi Press for
printing false and baseless article for Jainism, Jain Saints, followers and
religious functions by Bharat Bhushan Srivastava in its Hindi Magazine of May'08
2nd issue so you are requested to please sign the following protest letter and
send back to us in orignal. We also request to please forward the following
protest letter to your friends and societies in your city at your earliest as
possible. Photocopies of the letter can be used.

   JAIN DHARAM KI JAI
            JAIN SANTO KI JAI
                   JAIN EKTA ZINDABAD

   Thanks and hoping your kind co-operation in the matter.

   Sunjay Jain, President
   Vishwa Jain Sangathan (Regd.)
   Deeksha Kunj, IX/1976,
   No.4, Kailash Nagar, Delhi - 110031 (India)
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#8581 From: "Chandraprakash Shah" <chandraprakash.shah@...>
Date: Tue Jun 3, 2008 11:04 am
Subject: Re: [JainList] Charity work: How unselfless?
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Dear Manishji and others,

Thanks for interesting replies, Manishji.

What is Interfaith? it is nothing but a cocus of handful retired people,
which talks inside AC rooms. They do not have real knowledge of each
religion and always talk on present situations prevailing in the world.
Their knowledge about religion is superficial. Interfaith activities are
nothing but waste of time money and energy. They use plenty of papers and
circulate many literatures but when it comes to their own religion they keep
silence.

Chandraprakash Shah

#8582 From: "Manish Yashodhar Modi" <manishymodi@...>
Date: Tue Jun 3, 2008 2:37 pm
Subject: Re: Charity work: How unselfless?
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Dear Shri Chandraprakashji,
Jay Jinendra

I would not be quite so harsh on the concept of inter-faith conferences.

But yes, one must thoroughly study one's own faith first, before
getting on to inter-faith forums.

It is imperative that those who represent Jainism on inter-faith
forums are:

1. Well read in the Scriptures. They must have read the Scriptures in
the original, not through secondary sources. They must be well grounded in Jain
philosophy, ontology and epistemology.

2. Conversant with the traditions, beliefs, rituals, practices,
regional variations and social and monastic history of each of the
four sects of Jainism.

3. Aware of the philosophical and ritualistic points of difference in
each of the four sects of Jainism.

4. Preferably, such a representative should be familiar with the monks
and their practices of all four sects. He would thus have access to a
great deal traditional knowledge that is handed down in each ascetic
tradition.

5. Fluent in reading, writing and speaking English, since it is the
language used in most inter-faith conferences.

Unless those who represent Jainism on such forums have the above 5
qualifications, they would be inadequate representatives of the Jain
religion and would not be able to do justice to the Jain community at
large.

with best wishes,
M

--- In jainlist@yahoogroups.com, "Chandraprakash Shah"
<chandraprakash.shah@...> wrote:
>
> Dear Manishji and others,
>
> Thanks for interesting replies, Manishji.
>
> What is Interfaith? it is nothing but a cocus of handful retired people,
> which talks inside AC rooms. They do not have real knowledge of each
> religion and always talk on present situations prevailing in the world.
> Their knowledge about religion is superficial. Interfaith activities are
> nothing but waste of time money and energy. They use plenty of
papers and
> circulate many literatures but when it comes to their own religion
they keep
> silence.
>
> Chandraprakash Shah

#8583 From: "MANISH MODI" <manishymodi@...>
Date: Thu Jun 5, 2008 8:04 am
Subject: AAP KI ADAALAT : A Question - Answer Session on Jainism
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Jay Jinendra

In a unique manner, Jain monks Acarya Bhaskar Muni and Prakash Muni shall
hold a question - answer session on Jainism called AAP KI ADAALAT. The
questions shall focus on Jainism.

Anyone in the audience is welcome to raise  questions and the monks shall
answer those questions on the basis of Jain scriptures.

All are welcome to raise questions. Boxes have been placed at all Jain
Sthanakas in Mumbai. Anyone can visit the Sthanaka, write down his question
on a sheet of paper and place the sheet in the box. All questions shall be
answered by the learned monks on 15 June, 2008 between 9 - 12 am.

The monks shall answer questions in Gujarati, Hindi and English.

The AAP KI ADAALAT shall be held on 15 June, 2008

Time: 9 am - 12 am.
Venue: Ajaramara Sthanakavasi Jain Sangha
40 Dharmalaya
Taikal Wadi
Bhagat Lane
Matunga BB (Western Line)
Mumbai
400 016
{Near Star City Cinema}

Tel. 2431 6979

All are welcome to this new way of answering the queries of students of Jain
religion.

best wishes,

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#8584 From: "MANISH MODI" <manishymodi@...>
Date: Thu Jun 5, 2008 2:27 pm
Subject: AAP KI ADAALAT : A Question - Answer Session on Jainism
sramanopasaka
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ॐ नमः सिद्धेभ्यः

Jay Jinendra

Thanks to a really positive response to the announcement of the Question - Answer session and getting a lot of questions emailed to me personally to convey to the learned Munis, we have decided to dedicate an email id for this purpose.

Kindly send in all your questions on Jainism for the Munis to the following email id:

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#8585 From: "mehul_turakhia" <mehul_turakhia@...>
Date: Thu Jun 5, 2008 11:15 am
Subject: Re: Defining "Jain food"
mehul_turakhia
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Dear friends,

Jain food is often on the discussions. Here are some additional
views on the above.

For simplification, the description is for Food rather than Jain
food based on certain references based on swetambar traditions/ old
texts .

We will try to see Food (Ahar Sanskrit /hindi)  from four classical
standpoints.

Dravya (Substance)

Following could be different classifications.

(A)
Food made from ekendriya generally vegetations, water, with fire as
enabling element.
Food made from two to five sensed beings. (With use of ekendriya as
enabling elements like water, fire )  Two sensed living beings are
consumed as many sea products
Food made from animal derivatives  milk and other derived products.
With pain / without pain to animals giving milk .

(B)
Rom ahar (food consumed by body pores consumed by all living from
one to five sensed)
Kaval ahar (food consumed by hands/ mouthful of food)
Oj ahar (food used in body formation for Garbaj (five sensed lives
which are produced in wombs) Pachendriya . This is done in first
moments of conceivement of life -chyavan  stage . This is made from
combinations nutrients from both the parents  Sukra and Ras as
termed in classical texts or sperm and ovum in scientific texts. In
Agamic reference it is found that as long as one is alive a micro
portion of this oj ahar is present in the living being. i.e. when
one dies the last portion of oj ahar taken during birth is fully
exhausted .

( C)
There are two classical types of ahar .
Sachet ahar and Achet ahar.
Sachet is food which has still a few life quantum in it due to non
destruction due to heat / fire etc., or food which is not totally
achet yet.
a. juices mixed with seed particles where there is doubt of
life not fully eliminated
b. Cut fruit particles where life forms could still exist as it
is untreated with fire.
c. Vegetation not subjected to fire, heat etc. so life form is
alive. Salads, sprouts, partially cooked foods, achet sprinkled with
sachet eg. khaman with linseeds, dhaniya etc.
d. Many dry fruits which are not heat treated. Liquid
preparations with spread dry fruits like shrikhand with raw dry
fruits toppings, fruit salads.
e. Old achet food where there is chance of new life forms like
insects etc., old dry fruits, yeast on stale foods, new life forms
in spoiled food.
f. Similarly sachet water and achet water, like raw water, half
boiled water, boiled and cooled water after few hours, i.e.
elapsing of time spans,

(D) Food from acceptability norms

Food acceptable to sadhus including tirthankar for gochari and food
acceptable to shravaks who have adopted 12 th vrat during their
dining. This is Achet ahar and achet water.
Food acceptable to shravaks in vrats like ayambil, ekasana,
varshitap ,
Food which is acceptable to dravya shravaks in his life time.
(generally our discussions are around this topic in terms of milk
products, ethical aspects of milk extraction, methods and
consumption, acceptability of root consumptions, acceptability norms
of different sects, different sub sects etc. )


(E) Food as different vargana  the food particles of audarik jiva
is different from food particles of vaikriya jiva . Food particles
of yugalk are different from bharat kshetra , though jiva of yugalik
and bharat kshetra are both audarik.


(f) the thoks of Jivabhigam ang agam like Laghu dandak lists 266
different types of food.


Kshetra (space perspective )

(A) Food as found in different places of loka like bharat kshetra,
mahavideha, yugalik kshetra, in dev lok, narakawas, etc. right upto
end of loka.  Here the example of Rom ahar is quite interesting.
Imagine the loka composed of cuboid pixels. Then the extreme pixels
at the boundaries of loka will have contact with next pixel along 3
faces. Laghu dandak from Jivabhigam ang agam states that the jiva on
extreme portion of loka takes rom ahar from 3 directions. i.e. 3
contact faces. These are ekendriya jiva of badar vayukaya and five
types of suksma ekendriya. Similarly jiva in the penultimate akash
pradesh takes ahar from 4 or 5 directions. All the rest of jiva in
the loka  take ahar from 6 directions. i.e. east, west, north ,
south and top and bottom.

Kaal ( Time perspective )

It is found in Thananga ang agam that there is a quadruplet .
Food cooked in day and consumed in day.
Food cooked in day and consumed in night
Food cooked in night and consumed in day
Food cooked in night and consumed in night.

The first one is totally pure, rest are avoidable due to lack of
purity, or partial purity.

Bhava Perspective.
These needs review from nikshep stand point.

Our discussion on food aspects is one subset of nikshep stand point.

  Other Bibliographical references from agams are given below.

1. Avashyak pratikraman sutra. It is found in seventh vrat that
atichar of vrat is "sachitta ahare" , i.e. shravaks should avoid
sachet ahar, salads etc.
2. The 12 th vrat is very important for shravak. It disciplines
his diet to achet and also automatically he is eligible to offer
food to saints and even tirthankars while on gochari. One can study
5 atichar of 12 th vrat.
3. Acharang ang agam describes 21 types of Dhovan water(Achet )
and gochari style of mahavir swami during his chhadamasth kaal.
4. Bhagawati ang agam describes gochari style of many saints,
Tirthankar naam karma of Rewati shravika, Paushadh after food of
Sankh and Pokkhali shravak, and many different lifestyles of
shravak, including shravaks of Tungiapur who were following 12
vrats.
5. Upasak dasa ang agam describes that all 10 shravaks  like
Anand shravak , Kamdev shravak etc. had adopted 12 vrats. In spite
of great opulence, they followed gochari lifestyle in their pratimas
during later part of life even without diksha.
6. Antagad dasa anga agam describles Gochari of different
saints including Gautam swami , and virtues of Devki (mother of
Krishna) setting one of the ideal benchmark of a donor of supatra
daan.
7. Sukh vipak anga agam describes that prince like Subahu kumar
made sansar paritta by supatra daan. There are 10 ideal cases. One
of them donates to a tirthankar .
8. Dasvaikalik agam describes bhikhsa and gochari in great
details from perspective of a sadhu and a shravak- donor. It is a
great reading for advanced students of Jainism. It opens many
insights into food aspects of Prasuk and eshaniya food ( prashuk 
achet and eshaniya is food which is acceptable to sadhus).
Dasavaikalika agam describes that ideal donor is also durlab (rare)
in this world apart from ideal receiver.
9. Uttaradhyayan describes 5 samitis, the third samiti deals
with alertness required in searching for food during travel (to and
fro), alertness while accepting gochari and alertness while
consumption of food.  It also describes 6 reasons for eating and 6
reasons for avoiding food.
10. There are about 100+ mistakes in taking gochari (Bhiksa
dosh ) in various agams . they are worth reading and learning. There
are other references too.
11. There is detail description of jiva in Pannavana upang etc.
which increases awareness of sachet and achet.
12. There are old texts like Pinda niryukti dealing with gochari
etc.
13. Thus all above shows importance of knowledge related
with "food which is acceptable to sadhus" . It appears that the food
consumed by shravak with 12 th vrat is ideal Jain food. However this
does not rule out appreciation of varying degree of restraints
exercised by different sadhaks as per their capacity of tyag.


All errors are mine. No offence to any one is intended.

Mehul












--- In jainlist@yahoogroups.com, "Anish A Shah" <anishshah19@...>
wrote:
>
> Jai Jinendra,
>
> This is quite an interesting mail and I agree on some aspects with
Sudhirbhai. But there are some aspects that I do not agree. No where
in our Jain scriptures the word "Jain food"  mentioned. It has
become a generic term by common usage in India....and I see nothing
wrong in it. Comparisons are Ok.....but we need not follow Jews and
Muslims in everything. It is disturbing to see that just because
others are doing it...we should follow. They dont have our concept
of Ahimsa and Anekantavada.
>
> I agree that avoidance of anger , greed is quite important than
dietary restrictions. I think at the same time we should also avoid
generalisations and being Judgemental. For example there is a big
difference between a money lender and a loan shark. As Manishbhai's
previous mails explains "to each his own" - some way avoid onion
garlic, potato but not carrots....others may avoid that also. (By
the way Potato is a tuberous root and not a stem..)  I guess every
own has their own pet beliefs - Some are Vegan, some believe in
fasting, others in swadhyay - everyone has his/her concept of
Dharma. But these are only a menas to an end...not the utlimate goal
of Dharma itself. One may identifies himself to his cause but should
not call others as hypocrite - you fall in trap of generalisation
and being Judgemental. "Attributing the entire religion to food" is
once again wrong and a generalised statement. Some may do it...but
not all. Same with this generalised statement - "Why have we reduced
this great philosophy in to be a kitchen religion" Such generalised
statement do more harm than Good.
>
> Another statement - "instead of limiting our penance to fasting we
get involved with additional humanitarian work " who says that Jains
dont do humanitarian work and Why cant they do both fasting/
penances as well as humanitarian work. How is penances coming in way
of humanitarian work?
>
> Of course I agree with Sudhirbhai, Veganism is good and a higher
ideal........but not the only ideal or a final goal.
>
> Regards,
>
> Anish
>

#8586 From: sanjay jain <sanjayjainuk@...>
Date: Fri Jun 6, 2008 12:24 am
Subject: Re: [JainList] Re: Defining "Jain food"
sanjayjainuk
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Mehulji,

Thank you for this information, this is quite a lot to digest (no pun intended). As usual but not surprisingly, Jainism goes in to great depths...

It would have been useful to have a list of foods and a set of rules that define the Jain diet. But given the complexity, it may not be practical.

~sanjay


--- On Thu, 6/5/08, mehul_turakhia <mehul_turakhia@...> wrote:
From: mehul_turakhia <mehul_turakhia@...>
Subject: [JainList] Re: Defining "Jain food"
To: jainlist@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, June 5, 2008, 5:15 PM



Dear friends,

Jain food is often on the discussions. Here are some additional
views on the above.

For simplification, the description is for Food rather than Jain
food based on certain references based on swetambar traditions/ old
texts .

We will try to see Food (Ahar Sanskrit /hindi) from four classical
standpoints.

Dravya (Substance)

Following could be different classifications.

(A)
Food made from ekendriya generally vegetations, water, with fire as
enabling element.
Food made from two to five sensed beings. (With use of ekendriya as
enabling elements like water, fire ) Two sensed living beings are
consumed as many sea products
Food made from animal derivatives milk and other derived products.
With pain / without pain to animals giving milk .

(B)
Rom ahar (food consumed by body pores consumed by all living from
one to five sensed)
Kaval ahar (food consumed by hands/ mouthful of food)
Oj ahar (food used in body formation for Garbaj (five sensed lives
which are produced in wombs) Pachendriya . This is done in first
moments of conceivement of life -chyavan stage . This is made from
combinations nutrients from both the parents Sukra and Ras as
termed in classical texts or sperm and ovum in scientific texts. In
Agamic reference it is found that as long as one is alive a micro
portion of this oj ahar is present in the living being. i.e. when
one dies the last portion of oj ahar taken during birth is fully
exhausted .

( C)
There are two classical types of ahar .
Sachet ahar and Achet ahar.
Sachet is food which has still a few life quantum in it due to non
destruction due to heat / fire etc., or food which is not totally
achet yet.
a. juices mixed with seed particles where there is doubt of
life not fully eliminated
b. Cut fruit particles where life forms could still exist as it
is untreated with fire.
c. Vegetation not subjected to fire, heat etc. so life form is
alive. Salads, sprouts, partially cooked foods, achet sprinkled with
sachet eg. khaman with linseeds, dhaniya etc.
d. Many dry fruits which are not heat treated. Liquid
preparations with spread dry fruits like shrikhand with raw dry
fruits toppings, fruit salads.
e. Old achet food where there is chance of new life forms like
insects etc., old dry fruits, yeast on stale foods, new life forms
in spoiled food.
f. Similarly sachet water and achet water, like raw water, half
boiled water, boiled and cooled water after few hours, i.e.
elapsing of time spans,

(D) Food from acceptability norms

Food acceptable to sadhus including tirthankar for gochari and food
acceptable to shravaks who have adopted 12 th vrat during their
dining. This is Achet ahar and achet water.
Food acceptable to shravaks in vrats like ayambil, ekasana,
varshitap ,
Food which is acceptable to dravya shravaks in his life time.
(generally our discussions are around this topic in terms of milk
products, ethical aspects of milk extraction, methods and
consumption, acceptability of root consumptions, acceptability norms
of different sects, different sub sects etc. )

(E) Food as different vargana the food particles of audarik jiva
is different from food particles of vaikriya jiva . Food particles
of yugalk are different from bharat kshetra , though jiva of yugalik
and bharat kshetra are both audarik.

(f) the thoks of Jivabhigam ang agam like Laghu dandak lists 266
different types of food.

Kshetra (space perspective )

(A) Food as found in different places of loka like bharat kshetra,
mahavideha, yugalik kshetra, in dev lok, narakawas, etc. right upto
end of loka. Here the example of Rom ahar is quite interesting.
Imagine the loka composed of cuboid pixels. Then the extreme pixels
at the boundaries of loka will have contact with next pixel along 3
faces. Laghu dandak from Jivabhigam ang agam states that the jiva on
extreme portion of loka takes rom ahar from 3 directions. i.e. 3
contact faces. These are ekendriya jiva of badar vayukaya and five
types of suksma ekendriya. Similarly jiva in the penultimate akash
pradesh takes ahar from 4 or 5 directions. All the rest of jiva in
the loka take ahar from 6 directions. i.e. east, west, north ,
south and top and bottom.

Kaal ( Time perspective )

It is found in Thananga ang agam that there is a quadruplet .
Food cooked in day and consumed in day.
Food cooked in day and consumed in night
Food cooked in night and consumed in day
Food cooked in night and consumed in night.

The first one is totally pure, rest are avoidable due to lack of
purity, or partial purity.

Bhava Perspective.
These needs review from nikshep stand point.

Our discussion on food aspects is one subset of nikshep stand point.

Other Bibliographical references from agams are given below.

1. Avashyak pratikraman sutra. It is found in seventh vrat that
atichar of vrat is "sachitta ahare" , i.e. shravaks should avoid
sachet ahar, salads etc.
2. The 12 th vrat is very important for shravak. It disciplines
his diet to achet and also automatically he is eligible to offer
food to saints and even tirthankars while on gochari. One can study
5 atichar of 12 th vrat.
3. Acharang ang agam describes 21 types of Dhovan water(Achet )
and gochari style of mahavir swami during his chhadamasth kaal.
4. Bhagawati ang agam describes gochari style of many saints,
Tirthankar naam karma of Rewati shravika, Paushadh after food of
Sankh and Pokkhali shravak, and many different lifestyles of
shravak, including shravaks of Tungiapur who were following 12
vrats.
5. Upasak dasa ang agam describes that all 10 shravaks like
Anand shravak , Kamdev shravak etc. had adopted 12 vrats. In spite
of great opulence, they followed gochari lifestyle in their pratimas
during later part of life even without diksha.
6. Antagad dasa anga agam describles Gochari of different
saints including Gautam swami , and virtues of Devki (mother of
Krishna) setting one of the ideal benchmark of a donor of supatra
daan.
7. Sukh vipak anga agam describes that prince like Subahu kumar
made sansar paritta by supatra daan. There are 10 ideal cases. One
of them donates to a tirthankar .
8. Dasvaikalik agam describes bhikhsa and gochari in great
details from perspective of a sadhu and a shravak- donor. It is a
great reading for advanced students of Jainism. It opens many
insights into food aspects of Prasuk and eshaniya food ( prashuk
achet and eshaniya is food which is acceptable to sadhus).
Dasavaikalika agam describes that ideal donor is also durlab (rare)
in this world apart from ideal receiver.
9. Uttaradhyayan describes 5 samitis, the third samiti deals
with alertness required in searching for food during travel (to and
fro), alertness while accepting gochari and alertness while
consumption of food. It also describes 6 reasons for eating and 6
reasons for avoiding food.
10. There are about 100+ mistakes in taking gochari (Bhiksa
dosh ) in various agams . they are worth reading and learning. There
are other references too.
11. There is detail description of jiva in Pannavana upang etc.
which increases awareness of sachet and achet.
12. There are old texts like Pinda niryukti dealing with gochari
etc.
13. Thus all above shows importance of knowledge related
with "food which is acceptable to sadhus" . It appears that the food
consumed by shravak with 12 th vrat is ideal Jain food. However this
does not rule out appreciation of varying degree of restraints
exercised by different sadhaks as per their capacity of tyag.

All errors are mine. No offence to any one is intended.

Mehul




#8587 From: atul bafna <abafna@...>
Date: Fri Jun 6, 2008 4:23 am
Subject: JAIN - FOOD
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WHY VEGETARIAN: DON'T PLANTS HAVE LIFE ?

Traditionally vegetarianism is practiced by most cultures for reasons of compassion and reverence for life and non-violence, and the Jains are no exception to this. However, the definition and understanding of non-violence by Jains goes much deeper than others that this author has come across. The medical reasons for being a vegetarian are relatively a modern phenomenon mostly during the past half a century or so, during which period developments in the modern medicine have established links between certain ailments and the non-vegetarian diet. The very fundamental question that is often asked of a vegetarians is, "If non-violence is the basis of vegetarianism, why eat plant based foods?

Don't plants have life?" In this respects Jains perhaps were the very first ones to acknowledge that plants are a life form, long before it was established by the modern day biological sciences. Jains recognize five physical senses namely touch, taste, smell, sight, and hearing as the principal attributes of living beings. All life forms in the universe are then classified in terms of the senses found in various creatures. Here as a word of caution, the senses should not be confused with other attributes of life, such as breathing, circulatory and nervous systems, heart and brain etc. that are dealt with as a separate topic in Jainism. The lowest life forms are those with only one sense, the sense of touch, such as the plant life, the highest life forms have all the fives senses such as human beings, mammals and most of the animal kingdom. The other intermediary life forms are the living beings with: two senses - touch and taste such as an earth worm, three senses - touch, taste and smell such as lice, and four senses- touch, taste, smell and sight for example mosquitoes. Senses appear in various living beings strictly in the order specified, i.e., touch is the most primitive of all senses, and hearing is the last sense found at the most advanced stage of development. No other combinations of these senses are known to exist. This in itself may be the most remarkable contribution of ancient Jains to the modern life sciences on the evolution of living beings.

Having classified all life forms in this manner, and realizing that human beings must eat to derive their nutrition and to survive, life with only one sense, that is basically plant life, is the only permitted food for human consumption. To reconcile the principle of non-violence with the consumption of plant based diet, and to preserve plant-life as best as possible, there are strict dietary codes of practice recommended for day to day living. These include prohibition on the consumption of some vegetables and fruits, restrictions on procurement of produce, restrictions of times and timings, fasting, recommended occupations etc. Such codes, with their feasible interpretations follow.

GENERAL RESTRICTIONS ON PLANT BASED EDIBLES

Vegetables and fruits that grow underground (roots of plants) are prohibited as a general rule. Clearly enough, to procure such vegetables and fruits, one must pull out the plant from the root, thus destroying the entire plant, and with it all the other micro organisms around the root. Fresh fruits and vegetables should be plucked only when ripe and ready to fall off, or ideally after they have fallen off the plant. In case they are plucked from the plants, only as much as required should be procured and consumed without waste. Grains, such as wheat, rice, maize, beans are obtained when the plants or the pods are dry and dead. Cutting down of green trees for wood or any other use is strictly prohibited. This is indeed a shining example of "conservation" in ancient times, which modern civilization is still trying to find ways for.

An orthodox Jain fasts twice a fortnight, on the eighth and the fourteenth day of the full and the new moon cycles of the lunar calendar Some fast even thrice, including the fifth day of the two lunar cycles. During fasting only food prepared from grains is consumed and no green vegetables or fruits are eaten.

In context of "root vegetables and fruits," most modern day Jains have devised self-imposed restrictions, not sanctioned by the religion. The majority of Jains with the exception of the orthodox, traditional ones, eat most of the underground vegetables such as potatoes, carrots, turnips etc. for reasons of social convenience (after all they fall within the regime of a vegetarian diet). Even amongst these exceptions, a large percentage still do not eat onions and garlic. The reasons advanced is their strong odor and that they are Tamsik, food that leads to lethargic action.

It is a common saying that "One is what one eats". But Jains go much farther in defining the character of an individual. According to them "One is what one thinks", a fact that any criminal and social psychologist shall confirm. Violence in thought is as detrimental to the development of character as violence in action. To this extent, candies and chocolates shaped as animals are generally not consumed in Jain families. Imagine a child going around eating the "head of a rabbit" or "leg of a man". What will be his/ her psychology and personality? If you want to eat chocolate, just do that, why lace it with an unappetizing thought of cruelty to animals and/ or cannibalism. Orthodox Jains do not even eat cooked/ prepared food from the shops. All food should be prepared within the house under the most hygienic conditions.

SPECIFIC RESTRICTIONS ON FRUITS AND VEGETABLES

A group of five fruits from the fig family, termed the Five Udambars in Jain literature are not permitted. Modern biological sciences have established that these fruits, produced by the pollination of flowers by wasps, are inhabited by species of wasps specific to each. For example, the entire life cycle of the wasp "Blastophaga grossorum" is completed within the fig "Ficus carica". The wasp lays its eggs in the gall flowers and dies, the eggs mature within the fig and produce male and female wasps. Wingless males fertilize the females and die, and the females emerge from the fig to restart the cycle. Thus the fig contains the remnants of the eggs and dead wasps. (RE: The Earth, It's Wonders, It's Secrets: NATURE'S MASTERPIECES, Reader's Digest Publication, pp99, 1994).

Very orthodox Jains do not eat even multi-seeded fruits and vegetables such as brinjal (egg plant) and guava. Such fruits and vegetables are often found to contain worms, although this may not be the case with the use of insecticides in farming. But what do the advocates of health food and environmental conservationists have to say about the use of insecticides and chemical fertilizers? Some years ago, this author personally carried out a controlled but informal experiment to affirm this. Very clean and smooth brinjal and guavas, with no mark or blemish on the outside and having no external evidence of a worm entering it were found to have hives of worms inside. On discussing this find with fellow biologists in academia, it was explained that certain insects lay their eggs in the flower that are sealed inside these fruits and vegetables and develop in to worms leaving no indication on the external surface. This is somewhat similar to the life cycle of the wasp in the fig. These days, although most Jains will eat such fruits and vegetables, they generally cut and carefully examine them before cooking, whereas the most common Indian method of cooking brinjal among other communities is to roast it whole, till it bursts with steam, and then prepare it for eating without any concern for worms inside, and how it may effect one's health.

Cauliflower and broccoli that have velvety surfaces are not consumed by orthodox Jains. Very tiny flee like flying insects that grow in and around the farms, get stuck on to their velvety surfaces, and can not be fully removed in spite of careful washing.

Mushrooms and fungus are not used by Jain families because they are said to grow under unhygienic conditions and are parasites. Honey, vinegar, molases and wine of course are a taboo. Vegetables, like jack fruit, that bleed on cutting and when prepared have the appearance of cooked meat are not very appetizing to most Jains.

Cabbage should be peeled layer by layer, each leaf cleaned and washed before cutting and cooking, because there may be insects and worms resident in between the leaves, although these days not many cut cabbage in this manner. Other leafy vegetables, such as spinach etc., should also be inspected and cleaned leaf-by-leaf to prepare for cooking and eating.

Food Items To Be Avoided By Jains

A list of Food items to be avoided by all Jains is given herein below.Mostly Jains do not avoid all of the above, while Flesh, Poison and Earth are obviously shunned by all. Many jain are also keen to avoid Alcohol , varak(silver- foil)silk,Wool,honey and anything which is grown underground (such as potatoes, carrots, onions, etc.) since they involve the unnecessary death of the whole plant and the disruption of many Jivas, both visible and microscopic, that dwell in soil. Monks and nuns, however, must take great care to avoid every item on the list. During times of penance, and especially during the annual observance of Paryushana, laypersons are also enjoined to shun each one of them, completely.

1.   Bhumikand (tubers)
2.   Green Haldar (turmeric)
3.   Green Ginger
4.   Suran
5.   Vajra
6.   Green Kachuro
7.   Shatavari Creepers
8.   Virali Creepers
9.   Kunver Pathu
10. Cactus
11. Galo
12. Garlic
13. Bambo Karela
14. Carrot
15. Lini (Bhaji)
16. Lodhak
17. Garmar
18. Kisalaya (sprouts)
19. Khirsua
20. Theg
21. Green moth [not referring to an insect!]
22. Bark of the Lun tree
23. Kholida
24. Amrit Creeper
25. Five parts of the radish (mula)
26. Fungi, includes Yeast.
27. Vatthula bhaji
28. Sprouted pulses
29. Palak bhaji
30. Suar amali
31. Unripe amali
32. Potato, ratalu, pindalu
33. Dvidal (Pulses which produce no oil) i.e. mustard seeds, all kathor, peas etc., cannot be eaten with yoghurt.
34. Gram flour
35. Chalit Rasa (decayed or stale items)
36. Many-seeded vegetables
37. Eggplant (brinjal)
38. "Unknown" fruits
39. Pods of the Banyan tree
40. Pods of the Umbara
41. Pods of the Pipal tree
42. Pods of Plux
43. Ananta-kaya (literally "infinite bodies")
44. Vinegar

RESTRICTIONS ON TIMINGS AND TIME LIMITS

Food must be cooked and eaten during day-light hours only. Orthodox Jains do not cook or consume anything, even water, before sunrise or after sunset. Cooking food at night leads to the killing of various creatures by the fire. In ancient times when there were no adequate lighting such creatures could even be large ones such as birds, snakes, rodents, squirrels, lizards that could be hiding in the wood or coal. Insects that are attracted to fire could fall straight into the food. In modern times, where one may have bright lights for cooking at night, killing of insects attracted by light and their falling into the food still presents a strong possibility. Further more while eating at night, a number of insects are attracted to the smell of food and could easily become a part of ones food. In a different context, going to bed soon after late meals is not a good health practice. Eating before sunset, i.e., a couple of hours before going to bed does have relevance.

All food must be cooked fresh daily. Food cooked during the day light should be consumed within the same day, but cooked food left overnight is prohibited. There are various possibilities for such a guideline, for example to avoid the wastage of food as there were no refrigerators during ancient times, with inadequate storage facilities insects may crawl into the food left overnight, the sun's UV light acts as a protection against growth of bacteria in the food, but in the cold and darkness there could be rapid growth of bacteria or fungus perhaps not large enough to be visible to the eye. For the same reason, flour and spices should be ground fresh, and they and a number of other foods must be used within a specified period which depends on the season and the product. As an example ground spices and flour of any grain has a validity of 3 days during the rains, 5 days in summer and 7 days in winter. This practice also ensures freshness, flavor and good taste of these ingredients. How much more scientific could one get during ancient times, when we know that even in today's scientific world all food products on supermarket shelves, even though mostly chemically preserved, are marked with an expiry date.

WATER AND DAIRY PRODUCTS

Water must be filtered through three layers of home-spun cotton cloth. Cotton cloth, when wet behaves as a cotton pad; water passes through it by the process of surface tension, and not through gaps between fibres of the cloth as will be the case if one used cloth made of synthetic or vegetable fibre (synthetic fibers were perhaps unknown, but the vegetable fibres such as jute were known). This provides the most effective filtration of non-soluble, suspended contamination and of micro organisms, but will not remove the dissolved impurities. However, such contamination of water was almost unknown as there was no dumping of waste in rivers or other water bodies, and the use of insecticides in agriculture did not exist. Water, with its life-supporting attribute for all living beings and its importance in agriculture, was regarded with reverence. Even with the current crises of clean drinking water in most developing countries, filtering water through a thick cotton cloth provides a convenient and cheapest means for cleaning water for drinking and cooking, where other means are not available, and is practiced by most Jains even today. After filtering the water, the cloth should be rinsed in a river or well to return any living organism to its habitat. Can there be a better example of co-existence of human being with their environment even at the microbe level?

Jains are not Vegans. The use of dairy products is permitted provided they are procured and prepared as per the laid down rules. Before milking a cow, young calves, if any, should be allowed to suckle up to about one third of the expected yield. The milk should be heated within 48 minutes of milking, bringing it to three-boils, and consumed within 24 hours. Compare this to the modern pasteurization of milk at 65o for 30 minutes. Yoghurt is not allowed unless prepared daily, fresh from boiled milk, using the leaf of a certain plant and consumed within 24 hours. Using the previous day's yoghurt for the starter to set it is prohibited. Cheese ans yoghurt, as we know them today, even if vegetarian, shall be classified as stale, and hence not edible.

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#8588 From: "MANISH MODI" <manishymodi@...>
Date: Fri Jun 6, 2008 10:11 am
Subject: WHAT I LIKE ABOUT JAINISM by Dr Ahamindra Jain
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ॐ नमः सिद्धेभ्यः 

A Gem From The April 1983 Issue of Jain Study Circular

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What I Like About Jainism

by Ahamindra Jain  {2 May 1963 - 10 May 2008}

Son of Sunita and Duli Chandra Jain
Husband of Richa Ahamindra Jain
Father of Divya and Amartya Jain

What I Like About Jainism

 Everyday, young people like myself are questioned about whether they follow some religion.  In the case of Jains, we are then asked how we practice Jainism, why we follow it and what is its role in our daily lives.  No matter how clearly and eloquently we answer our friends' questions; usually they persist in asking more until they feel that they have proven the 'superiority' of their beliefs.  Well, I can honestly say that I do not feel that my religion is 'better' than anyone else's.  But I do not think that this makes me any less of a believer in its principles.  On the contrary, I think that this is one aspect of practicing Jainism: to respect the beliefs of others and to appreciate their good deeds without regard to any motivations.  Indeed, this is one of the things that I like about Jainism; this 'freedom' it gives its followers, the understanding it promotes and the love of mankind it thereby fosters.

   Time changes the world we live in.  Nature changes, political systems change, people's attitudes change, scientists make discoveries, and philosophers make great observations.  But among all this flux, should religion remain constant, unyielding to these natural forces?  The answer to this question, as I understand Jainism, brings out another one of the aspects of our religion that I like.  I do not think that Jainism says that we should accede to all the old ideas.  On the other hand, I think that we are allowed to make our own rational decisions, based on what is correct morally and what we know about our world today.  This does not mean that we should abjectly throw out all the old teachings; instead, we should try to learn about them and respect them just as we do any other religion's tenets, and then choose to follow those aspects which may be applicable to our lives individually.2  Certainly, Jainism's fundamental principle of non-violence is as practicable today as it was centuries ago.  But this does not mean that we laymen should all walk around wearing breaching masks to avoid swallowing bacteria from the air; we should apply our beliefs to our particular lifestyles as best as we can.  By secluding ourselves from the rest of the mankind, can we really help others?  Or is one blindly pursuing idealistic goals in a materialistic fashion?

   The fact that Jains do not believe in any supreme being who rewards or punishes us has a very significant effect on the way we practice our religion.  It helps us in the consideration of reality and in application of our beliefs, and obviates the necessity of quibbling over insignificant details.  It leads us to some more important questions: What is happening to our world today and how does our religion tell us to act in the face of world's problems?  Well, even in this 'land of prosperity', people are hungry or perhaps worse, suffering the indignity of having to rely on others for their subsistence.  People have been forced to sacrifice some of their self-esteem, having been told even by their President that they are not trying hard enough to feed themselves.  On the international front, we are threatened by megatons of nuclear weapons poised to destroy the world.  But what does all this have to do with Jainism?  Shouldn't we just go about 'practicing' our religion by ourselves and keep politics and the rest of the society separate?  No!!  I see our religion as having the capacity to stand out from others because of one aspect of our principles, the understanding of others' viewpoints that Jainism promotes.  What has caused the conflict between men, which leads to cutthroat competition for wealth (and jobs) and on a grander scale to arms build-ups?  It is the failure of human beings to accept their fellow men as equals, and then to recognize their equal right to nature's resources, without regard to race, religion, education or position in society.3  We are all people who breathe the same air.  Thus Jainism does not take away the right of other people to believe what they wish.  Instead, it says that we should try to view situations from others' aspects also and even accept their ideas if we see them rational and within the framework of our basic principles. This is the very definition of understanding as well as being its most useful application.4  Thus Jainism tells us to love all our neighbours on earth as equals.  Wouldn't it be wonderful if people come to see our religion as one that not only promotes understanding in theory, but also whose followers practice this concept in their lives?  But how do we practice 'understanding'?  Most obviously by treating all the people we encounter in our lives fairly and without prejudice on the basis of race or belief. Let us not think evil of any group of people or of any nation.  Others will learn from our example.  This will prove to be an important step towards solving many of the problems that confront modern society.

   All the aspects of Jainism that I like, its flexibility and subsequent adaptability to changes, the understanding between men it promotes and its potential to have a possible effect on society, can be put into practice in my opinion, by each and every Jain by just following a very simple procedure.  We keep in mind the fundamental tenets of Jainism: non-violence and viewing the situations from others' aspects.  Then we consider each of our daily actions with these principles in mind.   When confronted with choices, we apply 'common sense' to decide which will foster harmony and understanding, and then act accordingly.  When we see someone who appears different in some ways, we instead consider that person as another member of human race, just like ourselves.  Perhaps our religion will retain its significance by playing this role of bringing peace and harmony on earth.  For me, these are the aspects that make Jainism different and unique and thus special to me.


#8589 From: "salini s" <salinis3@...>
Date: Sat Jun 7, 2008 1:55 pm
Subject: Vegan food for cats
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I have been looking after cats from childhood. No cat had any problem
with vegetarian food. The present cat wants rice mixed with milk.
Unless it gets rice, it keeps on crying. It also cries for whatever we
eat like snacks, idli, chappati etc but goes to sound sleep only
after eating rice. Many stray cats also eat rice. I never knew about
the deficiencies. The important thing is the care we give them. Here
in Kerala cats, especially female cats and dogs are poisoned and
beaten to death. People advise not to give anything to them.

Now the government sponsored dog killing is going on uninterrupted. People are
made to believe by vested interests that it is their duty to kill dogs! The
result: anti-social activities are increasing.

Salini

#8590 From: Naresh Shah <Naresh-IndiraShah@...>
Date: Sat Jun 7, 2008 6:27 pm
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#8591 From: Ralexa333@...
Date: Sun Jun 8, 2008 1:00 am
Subject: Vegan food for cats
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I am sorry to hear that! Do you have spay/neuter programs there? Is there
anyway to promote them if not? We have them here but before we did, terrible
things happened to pets. It still does but not as often. People go to jail here.
  I turned someone in to the police today over pitbulls. I know it is a Jain
belief that this is the animals karma but really I think we should do
everything  we can for children and animals since they have no choice. thank
you.

Rebecca

#8592 From: "Manish Yashodhar Modi" <manishymodi@...>
Date: Sun Jun 8, 2008 12:59 pm
Subject: Vegan food for cats
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Dear Rebecca,
Jay Jinendra

It is not "the Jain belief" leave any poor creatures helpless. Our
scriptures teach us to reach out to those who need our help. The
Tattvarthasutra says,

"parasparopagraho jivanam"
It is the duty of souls to help each other.

What Jainism teaches us is that we must try to help each other to the
fullest extent possible. But for a mendicant, for the advanced
spiritual person, the most important thing in the world is t focus on
his own soul and emancipation. Jainism does not have a concept of
"collective emancipation" and Jainism takes a realistic view of
exactly how much one person can help another.

You may take a horse to water, but cannot compel it to drink the water.

Also, Jainism is practised on two levels:
1. Basic level : Anuvrata
This is for the laity. The Jain layman is supposed to be honest, kind,
generous, unattached and benevolent, always truthful and unfailingly
ethical in all his dealings.

2. Advanced level : Mahavrata
This the for the mendicants. They are in search of spiritual union
with their higher selves. There is no room for proselytizing, none for
Mother Teresa-like missionary activities and social service. The
votary has to focus and concentrate on the soul and not let his
attention stray to non-self objects. This requires complete
non-attachment to the temporal world. And complete immersion in one's
own soul.

Jain laymen are expected to and certainly carry out many acts of
philantrophy towards humans and animals. Most animal shelters in India
are funded by Jains. But Jain monks are not expected to carry out such
activities. They have taken ascetic vows in order to concentrate on
their soul and rid themselves of all attachment.

best,
M

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...I know it is a Jain belief that this is the animals karma but
really I think we should do everything  we can for children and
animals since they have no choice. thank you.

Rebecca

#8593 From: Ralexa333@...
Date: Sun Jun 8, 2008 12:09 pm
Subject: Vegan food for cats
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Dear Manish,

Thanks for clarifying that!

Rebecca

#8594 From: Shilpa Shah <shilpashah1@...>
Date: Sun Jun 8, 2008 11:45 pm
Subject: Re: [JainList] Vegan food for cats
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It may be a Jain belief that whatever happens to us is a result of our karma,
but that also means that if we rescue someone who is hurt, that is also the
result of their karma.  In other words, if you see someone getting hurt,
it's their karma that they're getting hurt, but it is also their karma that you
happened to see them and that you were able to rescue them.
 
For the situation below, by turning the culprit in to the police, it was their
karma to be turned in.  It was also the karma of future animals that might
have otherwise gotten tortured by this person, that they will now not be
tortured.
 
-Shilpa

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From: Ralexa333@... <Ralexa333@...>
Subject: [JainList] Vegan food for cats
To: jainlist@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, June 8, 2008, 1:00 AM

...I know it is a Jain belief that this is the animals karma but really I think
we should do everything we can for children and animals since they have no
choice. thank you.

Rebecca

#8595 From: Sreepalan VC <sreepal5058@...>
Date: Mon Jun 9, 2008 12:29 am
Subject: Brief Note on Chapter 4 of TATTVARTHASUTRA
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Samyak Darshan

Dear Shri Umesh Singh

Brief Note on Chapter 4 of TATTVARTHASUTRA

The Celestial Beings:
The chapter carries the information on the celestial beings � heavenly beings
� upper world. The living beings are four kinds viz., bhavana, vyantara,
jyotisha and vaimaanika and their subdivisions. There are ten grades of
celestial beings to complete the social order for their smooth living viz., Lord
(Indra) his equals in the four kinds, ministers, courtiers, bodyguards, police,
army, citizens, servants and menials. Indras are totally one hundred in number
including the humans emperor (Narendra) and animals king (Mrigendra �
Ashtaapad Lion).

The nature of their happiness explained. Jyotish � stellar � celestial
beings are those who serve to know the conventional time viz., minute, hour,
day, night etc.

Classification of vaimaanik celestial beings, their characteristics, differences
among them, their thought-complexions (leshya), their living areas, Laukantik
(the end place of Lok) and their births are limited to two; these explained.

The life span of animals, celestial beings, and infernal (lower world) beings
are detailed.

Chapter four ends here.

yours brotherly
Sreepalan

#8596 From: Ralexa333@...
Date: Mon Jun 9, 2008 12:52 am
Subject: Re: [JainList] Vegan food for cats
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That's a good way to see it. thanks!

Rebecca



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#8597 From: "salini s" <salinis3@...>
Date: Mon Jun 9, 2008 6:47 am
Subject: Re: [JainList] Vegan food for cats
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I agree with Rebecca. A deep study of Jainism is needed.

#8598 From: R K DAGA <rajendrak_daga@...>
Date: Mon Jun 9, 2008 7:09 am
Subject: Re: [JainList] Vegan food for cats
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Jai Jinendra,

It is true that karma plays the role of good or bad some one treated but we can
earn good karmas by helping the soul in need. It is his karma if someone is hurt
but by way of helping. By being kind to him we earn Punya (good Karma).

Take the example of Bhagavan Parshvanatha who saw the snakes burning in the fire
lit by Kamatha and tried to rescue them teaches us to always help a soul in
need.

Warm regards,
Rajendra

#8599 From: sanjay jain <sanjayjainuk@...>
Date: Mon Jun 9, 2008 7:18 pm
Subject: Re: [JainList] JAIN - FOOD
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Mr. Bafana's post makes an excellent case why Jains should reconsider using the word vegetarian to describe their diet.

I say that I'm vegan that eats honey. I have recently started to eat honey (even though eating insect regurgitation is somewhat unappealing!), as IMO this causes less hinsa and is more environmentally conscious than modern grain and vegetable production.

If one's diet fits the term vegetarian (they eat dairy and eggs, and do not conform to the other aspects of Jain foods) then that person can say they are vegetarian, if they vary from this, then the word vegetarian is not appropriate. Yes, there's an overlap between a Jain diet and vegetarianism, but simply saying Jains are vegetarian is misleading.

~sanjay


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Date: Friday, June 6, 2008, 10:23 AM

WHY VEGETARIAN: DON'T PLANTS HAVE LIFE ?

Traditionally vegetarianism is practiced by most cultures for reasons of compassion and reverence for life and non-violence, and the Jains are no exception to this. However, the definition and understanding of non-violence by Jains goes much deeper than others that this author has come across. The medical reasons for being a vegetarian are relatively a modern phenomenon mostly during the past half a century or so, during which period developments in the modern medicine have established links between certain ailments and the non-vegetarian diet. The very fundamental question that is often asked of a vegetarians is, "If non-violence is the basis of vegetarianism, why eat plant based foods?

Don't plants have life?" In this respects Jains perhaps were the very first ones to acknowledge that plants are a life form, long before it was established by the modern day biological sciences. Jains recognize five physical senses namely touch, taste, smell, sight, and hearing as the principal attributes of living beings. All life forms in the universe are then classified in terms of the senses found in various creatures. Here as a word of caution, the senses should not be confused with other attributes of life, such as breathing, circulatory and nervous systems, heart and brain etc. that are dealt with as a separate topic in Jainism. The lowest life forms are those with only one sense, the sense of touch, such as the plant life, the highest life forms have all the fives senses such as human beings, mammals and most of the animal kingdom. The other intermediary life forms are the living beings with: two senses - touch and taste such as an earth worm, three senses - touch, taste and smell such as lice, and four senses- touch, taste, smell and sight for example mosquitoes. Senses appear in various living beings strictly in the order specified, i.e., touch is the most primitive of all senses, and hearing is the last sense found at the most advanced stage of development. No other combinations of these senses are known to exist. This in itself may be the most remarkable contribution of ancient Jains to the modern life sciences on the evolution of living beings.

Having classified all life forms in this manner, and realizing that human beings must eat to derive their nutrition and to survive, life with only one sense, that is basically plant life, is the only permitted food for human consumption. To reconcile the principle of non-violence with the consumption of plant based diet, and to preserve plant-life as best as possible, there are strict dietary codes of practice recommended for day to day living. These include prohibition on the consumption of some vegetables and fruits, restrictions on procurement of produce, restrictions of times and timings, fasting, recommended occupations etc. Such codes, with their feasible interpretations follow.

GENERAL RESTRICTIONS ON PLANT BASED EDIBLES

Vegetables and fruits that grow underground (roots of plants) are prohibited as a general rule. Clearly enough, to procure such vegetables and fruits, one must pull out the plant from the root, thus destroying the entire plant, and with it all the other micro organisms around the root. Fresh fruits and vegetables should be plucked only when ripe and ready to fall off, or ideally after they have fallen off the plant. In case they are plucked from the plants, only as much as required should be procured and consumed without waste. Grains, such as wheat, rice, maize, beans are obtained when the plants or the pods are dry and dead. Cutting down of green trees for wood or any other use is strictly prohibited. This is indeed a shining example of "conservation" in ancient times, which modern civilization is still trying to find ways for.

An orthodox Jain fasts twice a fortnight, on the eighth and the fourteenth day of the full and the new moon cycles of the lunar calendar Some fast even thrice, including the fifth day of the two lunar cycles. During fasting only food prepared from grains is consumed and no green vegetables or fruits are eaten.

In context of "root vegetables and fruits," most modern day Jains have devised self-imposed restrictions, not sanctioned by the religion. The majority of Jains with the exception of the orthodox, traditional ones, eat most of the underground vegetables such as potatoes, carrots, turnips etc. for reasons of social convenience (after all they fall within the regime of a vegetarian diet). Even amongst these exceptions, a large percentage still do not eat onions and garlic. The reasons advanced is their strong odor and that they are Tamsik, food that leads to lethargic action.

It is a common saying that "One is what one eats". But Jains go much farther in defining the character of an individual. According to them "One is what one thinks", a fact that any criminal and social psychologist shall confirm. Violence in thought is as detrimental to the development of character as violence in action. To this extent, candies and chocolates shaped as animals are generally not consumed in Jain families. Imagine a child going around eating the "head of a rabbit" or "leg of a man". What will be his/ her psychology and personality? If you want to eat chocolate, just do that, why lace it with an unappetizing thought of cruelty to animals and/ or cannibalism. Orthodox Jains do not even eat cooked/ prepared food from the shops. All food should be prepared within the house under the most hygienic conditions.

SPECIFIC RESTRICTIONS ON FRUITS AND VEGETABLES

A group of five fruits from the fig family, termed the Five Udambars in Jain literature are not permitted. Modern biological sciences have established that these fruits, produced by the pollination of flowers by wasps, are inhabited by species of wasps specific to each. For example, the entire life cycle of the wasp "Blastophaga grossorum" is completed within the fig "Ficus carica". The wasp lays its eggs in the gall flowers and dies, the eggs mature within the fig and produce male and female wasps. Wingless males fertilize the females and die, and the females emerge from the fig to restart the cycle. Thus the fig contains the remnants of the eggs and dead wasps. (RE: The Earth, It's Wonders, It's Secrets: NATURE'S MASTERPIECES, Reader's Digest Publication, pp99, 1994).

Very orthodox Jains do not eat even multi-seeded fruits and vegetables such as brinjal (egg plant) and guava. Such fruits and vegetables are often found to contain worms, although this may not be the case with the use of insecticides in farming. But what do the advocates of health food and environmental conservationists have to say about the use of insecticides and chemical fertilizers? Some years ago, this author personally carried out a controlled but informal experiment to affirm this. Very clean and smooth brinjal and guavas, with no mark or blemish on the outside and having no external evidence of a worm entering it were found to have hives of worms inside. On discussing this find with fellow biologists in academia, it was explained that certain insects lay their eggs in the flower that are sealed inside these fruits and vegetables and develop in to worms leaving no indication on the external surface. This is somewhat similar to the life cycle of the wasp in the fig. These days, although most Jains will eat such fruits and vegetables, they generally cut and carefully examine them before cooking, whereas the most common Indian method of cooking brinjal among other communities is to roast it whole, till it bursts with steam, and then prepare it for eating without any concern for worms inside, and how it may effect one's health.

Cauliflower and broccoli that have velvety surfaces are not consumed by orthodox Jains. Very tiny flee like flying insects that grow in and around the farms, get stuck on to their velvety surfaces, and can not be fully removed in spite of careful washing.

Mushrooms and fungus are not used by Jain families because they are said to grow under unhygienic conditions and are parasites. Honey, vinegar, molases and wine of course are a taboo. Vegetables, like jack fruit, that bleed on cutting and when prepared have the appearance of cooked meat are not very appetizing to most Jains.

Cabbage should be peeled layer by layer, each leaf cleaned and washed before cutting and cooking, because there may be insects and worms resident in between the leaves, although these days not many cut cabbage in this manner. Other leafy vegetables, such as spinach etc., should also be inspected and cleaned leaf-by-leaf to prepare for cooking and eating.

Food Items To Be Avoided By Jains

A list of Food items to be avoided by all Jains is given herein below.Mostly Jains do not avoid all of the above, while Flesh, Poison and Earth are obviously shunned by all. Many jain are also keen to avoid Alcohol , varak(silver- foil)silk,Wool,honey and anything which is grown underground (such as potatoes, carrots, onions, etc.) since they involve the unnecessary death of the whole plant and the disruption of many Jivas, both visible and microscopic, that dwell in soil. Monks and nuns, however, must take great care to avoid every item on the list. During times of penance, and especially during the annual observance of Paryushana, laypersons are also enjoined to shun each one of them, completely.

1.   Bhumikand (tubers)
2.   Green Haldar (turmeric)
3.   Green Ginger
4.   Suran
5.   Vajra
6.   Green Kachuro
7.   Shatavari Creepers
8.   Virali Creepers
9.   Kunver Pathu
10. Cactus
11. Galo
12. Garlic
13. Bambo Karela
14. Carrot
15. Lini (Bhaji)
16. Lodhak
17. Garmar
18. Kisalaya (sprouts)
19. Khirsua
20. Theg
21. Green moth [not referring to an insect!]
22. Bark of the Lun tree
23. Kholida
24. Amrit Creeper
25. Five parts of the radish (mula)
26. Fungi, includes Yeast.
27. Vatthula bhaji
28. Sprouted pulses
29. Palak bhaji
30. Suar amali
31. Unripe amali
32. Potato, ratalu, pindalu
33. Dvidal (Pulses which produce no oil) i.e. mustard seeds, all kathor, peas etc., cannot be eaten with yoghurt.
34. Gram flour
35. Chalit Rasa (decayed or stale items)
36. Many-seeded vegetables
37. Eggplant (brinjal)
38. "Unknown" fruits
39. Pods of the Banyan tree
40. Pods of the Umbara
41. Pods of the Pipal tree
42. Pods of Plux
43. Ananta-kaya (literally "infinite bodies")
44. Vinegar

RESTRICTIONS ON TIMINGS AND TIME LIMITS

Food must be cooked and eaten during day-light hours only. Orthodox Jains do not cook or consume anything, even water, before sunrise or after sunset. Cooking food at night leads to the killing of various creatures by the fire. In ancient times when there were no adequate lighting such creatures could even be large ones such as birds, snakes, rodents, squirrels, lizards that could be hiding in the wood or coal. Insects that are attracted to fire could fall straight into the food. In modern times, where one may have bright lights for cooking at night, killing of insects attracted by light and their falling into the food still presents a strong possibility. Further more while eating at night, a number of insects are attracted to the smell of food and could easily become a part of ones food. In a different context, going to bed soon after late meals is not a good health practice. Eating before sunset, i.e., a couple of hours before going to bed does have relevance.

All food must be cooked fresh daily. Food cooked during the day light should be consumed within the same day, but cooked food left overnight is prohibited. There are various possibilities for such a guideline, for example to avoid the wastage of food as there were no refrigerators during ancient times, with inadequate storage facilities insects may crawl into the food left overnight, the sun's UV light acts as a protection against growth of bacteria in the food, but in the cold and darkness there could be rapid growth of bacteria or fungus perhaps not large enough to be visible to the eye. For the same reason, flour and spices should be ground fresh, and they and a number of other foods must be used within a specified period which depends on the season and the product. As an example ground spices and flour of any grain has a validity of 3 days during the rains, 5 days in summer and 7 days in winter. This practice also ensures freshness, flavor and good taste of these ingredients. How much more scientific could one get during ancient times, when we know that even in today's scientific world all food products on supermarket shelves, even though mostly chemically preserved, are marked with an expiry date.

WATER AND DAIRY PRODUCTS

Water must be filtered through three layers of home-spun cotton cloth. Cotton cloth, when wet behaves as a cotton pad; water passes through it by the process of surface tension, and not through gaps between fibres of the cloth as will be the case if one used cloth made of synthetic or vegetable fibre (synthetic fibers were perhaps unknown, but the vegetable fibres such as jute were known). This provides the most effective filtration of non-soluble, suspended contamination and of micro organisms, but will not remove the dissolved impurities. However, such contamination of water was almost unknown as there was no dumping of waste in rivers or other water bodies, and the use of insecticides in agriculture did not exist. Water, with its life-supporting attribute for all living beings and its importance in agriculture, was regarded with reverence. Even with the current crises of clean drinking water in most developing countries, filtering water through a thick cotton cloth provides a convenient and cheapest means for cleaning water for drinking and cooking, where other means are not available, and is practiced by most Jains even today. After filtering the water, the cloth should be rinsed in a river or well to return any living organism to its habitat. Can there be a better example of co-existence of human being with their environment even at the microbe level?

Jains are not Vegans. The use of dairy products is permitted provided they are procured and prepared as per the laid down rules. Before milking a cow, young calves, if any, should be allowed to suckle up to about one third of the expected yield. The milk should be heated within 48 minutes of milking, bringing it to three-boils, and consumed within 24 hours. Compare this to the modern pasteurization of milk at 65o for 30 minutes. Yoghurt is not allowed unless prepared daily, fresh from boiled milk, using the leaf of a certain plant and consumed within 24 hours. Using the previous day's yoghurt for the starter to set it is prohibited. Cheese ans yoghurt, as we know them today, even if vegetarian, shall be classified as stale, and hence not edible.

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#8600 From: "Manish Yashodhar Modi" <manishymodi@...>
Date: Tue Jun 10, 2008 3:53 pm
Subject: Re: JAIN - FOOD
sramanopasaka
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Dear Sanjay,
Jay Jinendra

I find it very difficult to agree with you that...

"..If one's diet fits the term vegetarian (they eat dairy and eggs,
and do not conform to the other aspects of Jain foods) then that
person can say they are vegetarian, if they vary from this, then the
word vegetarian is not appropriate."

I cannot understand how eating eggs can be considered vegetarian!

Dairy products I can understand, but eggs!

Fyi, the three things each Jain is supposed to give up first of all, are

madhu, mamsa and madira!

Honey, meat and alcoholic drinks

I am not sure how you fit in honey in your vegan beliefs. Because
surely, if animal products are to be avoided, then so should insect
products!

I live in Maharashtra and am familiar with honey farms. Please do not
be under any illusion that honey bees are treated with any kind of
mercy even in the modern "scientific" methods of honey farming.
Several hundreds of bees and other smaller insects lose their lives to
make a jar of honey.

You have a right to decide what you should eat and I am not trying to
question that. Just want you to know that the process of procuring
honey from the bees, like making silk, is extremely cruel.

I would say that Jains who partake of milk products but stay away from
eggs and poultry products are lacto-vegetarians.

Eggs are, by no stretch of imagination, vegetarian.

best wishes,
M

--- In jainlist@yahoogroups.com, sanjay jain <sanjayjainuk@...> wrote:
>
> Mr. Bafana's post makes an excellent case why Jains should
reconsider using the word vegetarian to describe their diet.
>
> I say that I'm vegan that eats honey. I have recently started to eat
> honey (even though eating insect regurgitation is somewhat
> unappealing!), as IMO this causes less hinsa and is more
> environmentally conscious than modern grain and vegetable production.
> Yes, there's an overlap between a Jain diet and vegetarianism, but
simply saying Jains are vegetarian is misleading.
>
> ~sanjay

#8601 From: SANJAY KUMAR JAIN <vishwajains@...>
Date: Tue Jun 10, 2008 3:42 pm
Subject: Petition of VJS accepted by Delhi Govt. after the recommandation of Delhi Minority Comm,
vishwajains
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Dear friends,
                   Sadar Jai Jinendra
 
Delhi Govt. has accepted the petiton dated 05.09.2007 of Vishwa Jain Sangathan for declaring to Jains as minority community in Delhi state after the recommandation of Delhi Minority Commission vide its letter no. F.16(16) DMC/2001/6093- 97 dated 31.01.2008 (copy of the recommandation also sent to us). Today Delhi Cheif Minister declared minority status to Jains.
 
Thanks,
 
Sunjay Jain, President
Vishwa Jain Sangathan (Regd.)
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#8602 From: "salini s" <salinis3@...>
Date: Tue Jun 10, 2008 5:10 pm
Subject: Re: [JainList] JAIN - FOOD
salinis9
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I think milk was allowed because the cow can be prevented from being
slaughtered.

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