-----Original Message-----
From: clitheroekid@...
Sent: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 21:30:48 +0000
To: just-a-minute@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [just-a-minute] Missing JAMs

 

Dave,
 
Please could you clarify - are your tapes reel-to-reel tapes from a tape recorder, or are they ordinary cassette tapes? 
 
The BBC continually monitor file sharing sites, and complain about BBC recordings found there, if they are still within copyright. All BBC radio and tv shows which first aired less than 50 years ago - i.e. after 1 Jan 1962 - still retain BBC copyright under the 1956 Copyright Act.

BBC Sound Archives hold a vast number of pre-1980 recordings, thousands of items; but they are mostly now transfered to digital storeage. The original LPs and magnetic tapes are mostly placed in the possession of The British Library, once they've been transfered to digital storeage - a process that involves restoring each item to remove hiss and other audible defects.
 
I didn't mean to imply there is no pre-1980 radio archive at the BBC. For many shows, there is. But it does not mean the Just A Minute shows are not held elsewhere inside BBC, on their original tape or vinyl medium. BBC Worldwide may still hold hundreds of unindexed, unsorted episodes of Just A Minute as LP recordings. It would be very difficult to identify which episodes, but I would not be surprised to learn that Worldwide are possessed of all the BBC's holdings, instead of Sound Archives, of this and many other shows.
 
BBC Enterprises were responsible for all overseas sales of all tv and radio shows in the past, and the master recordings for those shows often ended up in an Enterprises storeage facility by default, instead of being handed to Sound Archives. This was especially prone to happen where a series was popular with overseas stations, and so was actively being sold on contract to foreign broadcasters, as clearly occured with Just A Minute, which was popular in Australia and elsewhere.
 
Enterprises was responsible for delivering the LPs to ABC for all the shows which ABC currently air in their 5am slot, 7 days a week. Worldwide has probably inherited a huge stock of episodes for those shows, from the now-defunct BBC Enterprises. But those recordings will not be catalogued/indexed in any meaningful way. They will be unsorted, unindexed, most likely.
 
May I beat you all to the punch, and announce that today ABC aired the 'Romulus and Remus' episode - the final edition of series 4 - for the third straight week. Anyone want to tell them this?
 
 

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To: just-a-minute@yahoogroups.com
From: pondydave@...
Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2012 10:30:43 -0700
Subject: Re: [just-a-minute] Missing JAMs

Thank you all for the recent TV episodes. I wonder if my recent email asking what the BBC thought of our file sharing might be connected with removals from Mediafire. I trust not. But you never know!

I just thought I would go through my surviving tape collection from 1978-1982, in case I have better tapes than may exist. Well I have a list of what I have on tape, but it will be impossible for me to hear the tapes as I have no player worth listening to. What I will do is check my MP3 collection (thank you all) from that period and see if there is anything hard to hear and if that coincides with tape in my possession I will offer it up. I had not realised until this recent topic that the BBC no longer APPEARED to retain pre 1980 shows (well whatvere we have concluded recently).

Anyway - back to 1978 for me - lucky me too.

But here is a list of what I have. Red being what I have, and blue being what I know I have but is either part missing or on a damaged tape (the one we recovered Getting Wound Up from). Oh, this is Dean's list (thanks).

Dave

250/12/5 21 March 1978, Nicholas Parsons with Kenneth Williams, Clement Freud, Peter Jones and June Whitfield, what makes me burst with pride.

251/12/6 28 March 1978, Nicholas Parsons with Kenneth Williams, Clement Freud, Peter Jones and Sheila Hancock, making a good start.

252/12/7 4 April 1978, Nicholas Parsons with Kenneth Williams, Derek Nimmo, Clement Freud and Peter Jones, salesmen.

253/12/8 11 April 1978, Nicholas Parsons with Kenneth Williams, Derek Nimmo, Sheila Hancock and Bernard Cribbins, customs.

254/12/9 18 April 1978, Nicholas Parsons with Kenneth Williams, Derek Nimmo, Clement Freud and Patrick Moore, how to become celebrated.

255/12/10 25 April 1978, Nicholas Parsons with Kenneth Williams, Clement Freud, Peter Jones and Tommy Trinder, why parrots don't sneeze.

256/12/11 2 May 1978, Nicholas Parsons with Kenneth Williams, Clement Freud, Peter Jones and Janet Brown, moose. LOST

257/12/12 9 May 1978, Nicholas Parsons with Kenneth Williams, Clement Freud, Peter Jones and June Whitfield, attack.

258/12/13 16 May 1978, Nicholas Parsons with Kenneth Williams, Clement Freud, Peter Jones and Sheila Hancock, making up.

259/12/14 23 May 1978, Nicholas Parsons with Kenneth Williams, Derek Nimmo, Clement Freud and Peter Jones, getting wound up.

260/13/1 23 January 1979, Nicholas Parsons with Kenneth Williams, Peter Jones, Aimi Macdonald and Patrick Moore, a grand opening. LOST

261/13/2 30 January 1979, Nicholas Parsons with Kenneth Williams, Derek Nimmo, Clement Freud and Peter Jones, getting started. LOST

262/13/3 6 February 1979, Nicholas Parsons with Kenneth Williams, Derek Nimmo, Peter Jones and Joan Bakewell, my ideal. LOST

263/13/4 13 February 1979, Nicholas Parsons with Kenneth Williams, Derek Nimmo, Clement Freud and Peter Jones, excitement. LOST

264/13/5 20 February 1979, Nicholas Parsons with Kenneth Williams, Derek Nimmo, Peter Jones and Ray Alan, simplicity. LOST

265/13/6 27 February 1979, Nicholas Parsons with Kenneth Williams, Clement Freud, Tim Brooke-Taylor and Kenneth Robinson, why I should be knighted.

266/13/7 6 March 1979, Nicholas Parsons with Kenneth Williams, Clement Freud, Barry Took and Peter Cook, my other self.

267/13/8 13 March 1979, Nicholas Parsons with Kenneth Williams, Peter Jones, Aimi Macdonald and Patrick Moore, foolishness.

268/13/9 20 March 1979, Nicholas Parsons with Kenneth Williams, Derek Nimmo, Clement Freud and Peter Jones, customs.

269/13/10 27 March 1979, Nicholas Parsons with Kenneth Williams, Derek Nimmo, Peter Jones and Joan Bakewell, improvisation.

270/13/11 8 May 1979, Nicholas Parsons with Kenneth Williams, Clement Freud, Kenneth Robinson and Miriam Margolyes, hotch potch.

271/13/12 15 May 1979, Nicholas Parsons with Kenneth Williams, Derek Nimmo, Peter Jones and Ray Alan, if I were not a thespian.

272/13/13 22 May 1979, Nicholas Parsons with Kenneth Williams, Derek Nimmo, Clement Freud and Peter Jones, parbuckles.

273/13/14 29 May 1979, Nicholas Parsons with Kenneth Williams, Clement Freud, Barry Took and Peter Cook, the Loch Ness monster.

274/14/1 11 December 1979, Nicholas Parsons with Kenneth Williams, Clement Freud, Peter Jones and Peter Cook, how to get cracking.

275/14/2 18 December 1979, Nicholas Parsons with Kenneth Williams, Clement Freud, Peter Jones and Lorraine Chase, taking a diabolical liberty.

276/14/3 25 December 1979, Nicholas Parsons with Kenneth Williams, Derek Nimmo, Peter Jones and Lance Percival, exhibitionism.

277/14/4 1 January 1980, Nicholas Parsons with Kenneth Williams, Derek Nimmo, Clement Freud and Patrick Moore, overdoing it.

278/14/5 8 January 1980, Nicholas Parsons with Kenneth Williams, Derek Nimmo, Clement Freud and Peter Jones, looking ahead.

279/14/6 15 January 1980, Nicholas Parsons with Kenneth Williams, Derek Nimmo, Peter Jones and Tim Rice, rolls.

280/14/7 22 January 1980, Nicholas Parsons with Kenneth Williams, Derek Nimmo, Clement Freud and Rob Buckman, springing into action.

281/14/8 29 January 1980, Nicholas Parsons with Kenneth Williams, Clement Freud, Peter Jones and Aimi Macdonald, Aimi Macdonald.

282/14/9 5 February 1980, Nicholas Parsons with Kenneth Williams, Clement Freud, Peter Jones and Kenny Everett, the Mexican hat dance.

283/14/10 12 February 1980, Nicholas Parsons with Kenneth Williams, Derek Nimmo, Peter Jones and Sheila Hancock, bugling.

284/14/11 19 February 1980, Nicholas Parsons with Kenneth Williams, Derek Nimmo, Clement Freud and Barry Cryer, my resolution for this programme. LOST

285/14/12 26 February 1980, Nicholas Parsons with Kenneth Williams, Derek Nimmo, Peter Jones and John Junkin, getting a good start. LOST

286/14/13 4 March 1980, Nicholas Parsons with Kenneth Williams, Derek Nimmo, Clement Freud and Bob Monkhouse, getting sent. LOST

287/14/14 11 March 1980, Nicholas Parsons with Kenneth Williams, Derek Nimmo, Clement Freud and Peter Jones, my accolade. LOST

288/15/1 7 March 1981, Nicholas Parsons with Kenneth Williams, Clement Freud, Peter Jones and Tim Rice, being forceful. LOST

289/15/2 14 March 1981, Nicholas Parsons with Kenneth Williams, Clement Freud, Barry Cryer and Lance Percival, my following.

290/15/3 21 March 1981, Nicholas Parsons with Kenneth Williams, Peter Jones, Barry Took and Tim Brooke-Taylor, enough money. LOST

291/15/4 28 March 1981, Nicholas Parsons with Kenneth Williams, Clement Freud, Peter Jones, having women in the show. LOST

292/15/5 4 April 1981, Nicholas Parsons with Kenneth Williams, Derek Nimmo, Clement Freud and John Junkin, parking meters.

293/15/6 11 April 1981, Nicholas Parsons with Kenneth Williams, Derek Nimmo, Peter Jones and Sheila Hancock, fruit.

294/15/7 18 April 1981, Nicholas Parsons with Kenneth Williams, Derek Nimmo, Clement Freud and Peter Jones, the best game.

295/15/8 25 April 1981, Nicholas Parsons with Kenneth Williams, Clement Freud, Peter Jones and Tim Rice, bliss.

296/15/9 2 May 1981, Nicholas Parsons with Clement Freud, Kenneth Williams, Barry Cryer and Graeme Garden, getting ice cubes out of the tray.

297/15/10 9 May 1981, Nicholas Parsons with Kenneth Williams, Peter Jones, Barry Took and Tim Brooke-Taylor, striving for perfection.

298/15/11 16 May 1981, Nicholas Parsons with Kenneth Williams, Clement Freud, Peter Jones and Aimi Macdonald, Irish humour.

299/15/12 23 May 1981, Nicholas Parsons with Kenneth Williams, Derek Nimmo, Clement Freud and John Junkin, getting a shock.

300/15/13 30 May 1981, Nicholas Parsons with Kenneth Williams, Derek Nimmo, Peter Jones and Sheila Hancock, disreputable people.

302/16/1 23 January 1982, Nicholas Parsons with Kenneth Williams, Derek Nimmo, Clement Freud and Peter Jones, the best way to lie.

303/16/2 30 January 1982, Nicholas Parsons with Kenneth Williams, Peter Jones, Sheila Hancock and Michael Wood, what amazes me.

304/16/3 6 February 1982, Nicholas Parsons with Kenneth Williams, Derek Nimmo, Peter Jones and Ian Messiter, the first time I appeared

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From: badger dance <badger_dance@...>
To: just-a-minute@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, 29 April 2012 2:13 AM
Subject: Re: [just-a-minute] Missing JAMs

 

Well written Stephen, This echoes my experiences of the BBC and this the reason that it falls to the fan base to copy, catalogue and hold the programme archives via file sharing and P2P. The broadcasters can not be trusted to maintain and keep heritage content.

Hi Clitheroe,

No mysterious forces at work here; it appears that the shows were simply
removed.

Cheers,

Pete

--- In just-a-minute@yahoogroups.com, Clitheroe Kid <clitheroekid@...> wrote:
>
>
> On many file sharing sites, files which have not been downloaded for the past
30 days are deleted automatically, and this happens a lot. It doesn't
necessarily mean a copyright claim has been notified by BBC.
>
>
>
>
> > To: just-a-minute@yahoogroups.com
> > From: peterjaybird@...
> > Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 21:47:09 +0000
> > Subject: [just-a-minute] Links Status: More Files Gone Missing
> >
> > Since more than 50 links have been sliced since last week, I updated the
"Missing Links at Just a Minute" spreadsheet (please see the Files section). The
new casualties appear in light blue at the right. Sorry, I don't have the time
to recheck the 'Just a Minute' programme links.
> >
> > Worth noting is that a number of the JAM Complete Series links were
mislabeled (i.e., 'Series 29' turned out to be Series 26).
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Pete
>

Would someone mind uploading the following five ABC broadcasts?  The links only
bring me to a friendly giraffe:

Jam-1969-02-04@028=Dogwatch-v2.mp3
Jam-1969-03-11@033=How_To_Be_Good-v2.mp3
JAM-1969-09-29@037=What_To_Reply_To_How_Do_You_Do-v2.mp3
JAM-1969-10-06@038=Where_To_Draw_The_Line-v2.mp3
JAM-1969-12-08@047=Watchdogs-v2.mp3

Cheers,

Pete

-----Original Message-----
From: peterjaybird@...
Sent: Tue, 01 May 2012 00:23:51 -0000
To: just-a-minute@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [just-a-minute] Help with Some ABC Broadcasts

 

Would someone mind uploading the following five ABC broadcasts? The links only bring me to a friendly giraffe:

Jam-1969-02-04@028=Dogwatch-v2.mp3
Jam-1969-03-11@033=How_To_Be_Good-v2.mp3
JAM-1969-09-29@037=What_To_Reply_To_How_Do_You_Do-v2.mp3
JAM-1969-10-06@038=Where_To_Draw_The_Line-v2.mp3
JAM-1969-12-08@047=Watchdogs-v2.mp3

Cheers,

Pete

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Hi Mark,

Still no luck. I'm using your original addresses, such as
http://nylon.net/up/Jam-1969-02-04@028=Dogwatch-v2.mp3, yet I still find myself
face-to-face with a giraffe.

Pete

 

I emailed the yahoo group on the subject...and you should be thrown out of this group for being so offensive.

Hi folks,

Just a quick point as this is a complicated area.

An Australian person wanting to sell "home brew" CDs of Just A Minute in
Australia needs to look to Australian law to see what is and isn't allowed. 
Even though JAM is a UK work, it's the law of the country where the work is
being used that counts.  UK law is not extra-territorial regarding copyright
and, in this example, what UK law says is irrelevant, even though the work
originated there.

I use Australia as an example as Clitheroe Kid did below, but the principle
applies to all countries that are signatories to the Berne Convention.

A lot of confusion arises because there's a difference between a work receiving
copyright (which does depend on the laws of the country in which it was
produced) and the protection that the work receives (which depends on the law in
the country where the work is being used).

So to take a worked example, Let's say a radio show was broadcast in 1960 in the
UK and it qualifies as a copyrighted work (i.e. it's got original work in it). 
And let's say the copyright expires after 50 years in the UK and 70 years in
Australia.  A person in the UK could therefore use legally profit from the work
in the UK but it would still be illegal in Australia.

Cheers

kJ



--- In just-a-minute@yahoogroups.com, Clitheroe Kid <clitheroekid@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> Under UK law, broadcast copyright exists in a radio show under either the
Copyright Act 1956 or the Act of 1988, depending on whether the broadcast in
question was first aired before or after 1988.
>
> In the 1956 Act, there is only a prohibition on commercial use of a recording
of a show, and only for 50 years. The Act does NOT prohibit non-commercial use.
>
> There is a campaign under way to try to get the file sharing sites to
recognise that file shaing of a BBC show that was first broadcast before 1963 is
not unlawdful, and that even if the episode aired after 1963 sharing it is still
NOT banned by the Act unless money is paid - something which never happens in
the context of file-sharing.
>
> You need to understand that, whatever the law might be in Australia, this is a
BBC show, and the BBC is limited by the laws of England, not those of Australia.
It can, under UK law, prevent commercial use of its shows, but not their
non-commercial use.
>
> Beware of believing all the stuff on the internet about copyright law. Most of
it turns out to relate to American copyright law. Very little of it applies in
the UK.

Hi Don,

Thanks very much for the help!

Cheers,

Pete



--- In just-a-minute@yahoogroups.com, Don Judge <don@...> wrote:
>
> the others are there too, in case you don't know how, go to
> http://nylon.net/up/
>
> they're all there...
>  
> --
> Cheers
>
> Don   __o
>       \<,
> .....O/ O
>
>
>
>
>
> >________________________________
> > From: Don Judge <don@...>
> >To: "just-a-minute@yahoogroups.com" <just-a-minute@yahoogroups.com>
> >Sent: Tuesday, 1 May 2012, 20:18
> >Subject: Re: [just-a-minute] Re: Help with Some ABC Broadcasts
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >It's because the name of the file has changed (he's added series and episode
data)
> >If you go up a level to the folder, it's at the top of the list...
> >
> >
> >
> >it is now called JAM-1969-02-04@028(S03E06)=Dogwatch-v2.mp3
> >
> >
> >so you need to go to 
> >
> >http://nylon.net/up/JAM-1969-02-04@028(S03E06)=Dogwatch-v2.mp3
> >
> >
> >
> >--
> >Cheers
> >
> >Don   __o
> >      \<,
> >.....O/ O
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>________________________________
> >> From: peterjaybird <peterjaybird@...>
> >>To: just-a-minute@yahoogroups.com
> >>Sent: Tuesday, 1 May 2012, 15:06
> >>Subject: [just-a-minute] Re: Help with Some ABC Broadcasts
> >>
> >>
> >>Hi Mark,
> >>
> >>Still no luck. I'm using your original addresses, such as
http://nylon.net/up/Jam-1969-02-04@028=Dogwatch-v2.mp3, yet I still find myself
face-to-face with a giraffe.
> >>
> >>Pete
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>------------------------------------
> >>
> >>Yahoo! Groups Links
> >>
> >>
> >>    just-a-minute-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

-----Original Message-----
From: peterjaybird@...
Sent: Tue, 01 May 2012 14:06:24 -0000
To: just-a-minute@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [just-a-minute] Re: Help with Some ABC Broadcasts

 

Hi Mark,

Still no luck. I'm using your original addresses, such as http://nylon.net/up/Jam-1969-02-04@028=Dogwatch-v2.mp3, yet I still find myself face-to-face with a giraffe.

Pete

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Thanks for reposting them, Mark.  Very nice quality!

Pete

Hi folks,

I think we have a fairly minor disagreement here.  The Berne Convention does not
so much harmonise copyright laws; rather it specifies minimum standards.  Any
country is free to create their own copyright law with different terms to the
Berne Convention providing that they offer greater protection.

It's actually the same for most international treaties.  Here in the UK we
fairly regularly hear examples of EU regulations being implemented into domestic
law in the UK in one way (typically a fairly strict way) but differently in
other countries (usually a bit less strict).  And that usually makes headlines
in certain newspapers.

An example in the copyright arena is the USA who have retained the (optional)
registration of copyrighted works.  The Berne Convention says that copyright is
automatic and US law now acknowledges that.  But registering copyright is still
available and does confer certain advantages above those given in the
Convention.  That wouldn't be possible if one views the Berne Convention as
harmonising laws; it is possible if one views it as setting minimum standards.

My point wasn't to argue whether a particular work is or isn't copyright or
whether exceptions are made for non-commercial use or not - I have no view on
that.  All I am saying is that copyright law does vary from country to country
and people need to understand the law in their own country.

My example of someone selling CDs was intended to illustrate that general point,
not to comment on anyone else's arguments.  So I accept is isn't relevant to the
discussion on JaM recordings but then again it wasn't supposed to be relevant.

If a country defers to the law of the country of origin of the work (as Badger
Dance states) then fine.  But, again, that's for people in that country to know
and understand.

People should make informed decisions based on their own circumstances.  I don't
think anyone would argue with that.  :-)

kJ

--- In just-a-minute@yahoogroups.com, Clitheroe Kid <clitheroekid@...> wrote:
>
>
> We are obviously using the example of Australia because 'Just A Minute' is a
BBC show, made in the UK, but which is currently being aired in Australia.
>
> Regarding the Berne Convention, I disagree. The Convention harmonises the laws
of all signatory nations, in effect, so that the same laws exist in England and
in Australia. Signatories to the Convention agree to do this - to change their
copyright laws to comply with the provisions of the Convention. It's what
signing the Convention treaty is all about.
>
> For example, the UK copyright term is 70 years, now, which the UK changed as
required by the Convention. But it was previously 50 years, and in the case of
Broadcast Copyright - the copyright in a broadcast - it still is 50 yrs. The
Convention is really about enforcement. The two countries have the same
copyright laws, those which the Convention requires them to adopt, and this
makes enforcement of a copyright claim in Australia straightforward.
>
> A 1967 broadcast of Just A Minute will enjoy copyright as a broadcast for 50
years, i.e. until 2017.
>
> The law in Convention countries does NOT prohibit non-commercial use. But - a
big but - an Australian wanting to sell CDs is not what we are discussing. I
made the point about file sharing, that it is NOT a sale of the recording. The
entire point of the NON-commercial exception is that where no money changes
hands, i.e. in a file sharing event, that is NOT a sale of the work/recording.
Where the work is given away for free, it is not a commercial use of the work,
and there is accordingly no breach of copyright.
>
> The BBC must prove, as required in the Berne Convention, that their copyright
has been breached. In a claim by the BBC, they must inevitably fail if they
cannot show this. Where there has not been a sale, but merely a gift, the BBC
must inevitably fail on this point: for UK law, in compliance with the
Convention, only prohibits commercial use - i.e. sale - of a copy, and if the
file sharer has not been paid for the copy then commercial use cannot be shown.

Is anyone able to provide the following episodes of The Unbelievable Truth:

Series 3 Episodes 5 & 6
Series 5 Episodes 1 & 2.

They are the only ones i dont have and they are not in TUT folder.

Thanks badger for the link but it seems like i would have to download a whole
load of series to get 4 episodes. Anyone know where to get individual episodes?
--- In just-a-minute@yahoogroups.com, badger dance <badger_dance@...> wrote:
>
> > Is anyone able to provide the following episodes of The Unbelievable Truth:
>
>
http://kat.ph/the-unbelievable-truth-s01-to-06-audio-comedy-mp3-slimoo-t4581021.\
html
>

Never been near or used a bit torrent so will have to do some learning. Thanks
for the info guys.

--- In just-a-minute@yahoogroups.com, badger dance <badger_dance@...> wrote:
>
> Exactly as Don says.
>
> Use uTorrent - read the FAQs and work slowly with care it is easy to just take
exactly what you need only.
>
> µTorrent Stable (3.1.3 build 27120) from here:
http://www.utorrent.com/downloads
>
> Also KAT does not require membership - although once you see the quality you
might consider joining - no fees !
>
> You might consider looking for JAM as well  : - ) 
>