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#3260 From: marie blair <maria433@...>
Date: Tue Dec 22, 2009 4:12 pm
Subject: Re: [MaestrosdeEspanol] Re: Hola a todos!
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Monica and Holly,
I totally agree with Anna! Personal interaction is the best!  If there is a community center in your area, do they offer Spanish classes?  I teach a group of adults every Wednesday night in our community center.  What about a Community College? Do they offer courses? In our Community College they offer Spanish Conversation Classes.  What about Literacy Groups within your city?  Even to be partnered with a person who needs to learn English? Is there a College or University in your area?  Many Spanish programs have Conversation Groups outside of class that you could possibly join. 

I hope this helps!  y....... muy buena suerte!
Marie


From: Anna Burkhart <gringalatina88@...>
To: maestrosdeespanol@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, December 22, 2009 8:44:52 AM
Subject: Re: [MaestrosdeEspanol] Re: Hola a todos!

 

Hi Moncia and Holly,
I'd like to offer some suggestions about maintaining fluency and practicing/using Spanish in your community.  I think interaction with people is best.  On the internet there are some language exchange sites that are free (you only have to register).  One is www.livemocha. com and the other that I prefer is www.sharedtalk. com   Both have text and voice chat capabilities and allow for indirect email contact through the site.  While this is a great oportunity to contact people from other countries the types of interactions are limited to things like making small talk, getting to know someone and discussion topics of mutual interest , which can be challenging too.  In your community when you are face to face with people,  interactions involve a sociolinguistic or sociocultural component that is not readily duplicated online. Such interactions tend to be transactions of some sort such as ordering a meal.  Even if there is not a visible hispanic presence in your area, chances are there are groups or even just a few families either in the community or in a nearby town/city.  Let your motivation guide you, but you will have to look for and make your own opportunities.  Some things you can try -join a Hispanic church or go to services/mass given in Spanish-if you can, make friends and network.  It always easier when you are introduced by someone already part of a group.  Find out about latin stores or grocery stores and restaurants in the area, talk to the people, order something, make small talk, see if there are Spanish language newspapers there.  They will have information about what's in town of interest-cultural activities, etc.  All this takes time and effort but it's worth it..  Let me know how it goes. 
Best of luck,
Anna

From: monica_youngblood <monica_youngblood@ yahoo.com>
To: maestrosdeespanol@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Mon, December 21, 2009 7:58:46 AM
Subject: [MaestrosdeEspanol] Re: Hola a todos!

 

Holly, I am so thankful for your post. I am in exactly the same boat, with the places being different. My confidence level has dropped and I have looked into many options to improve, but none seem to fit my schedule or seem to really work. I am excited to hear the replies.

Oh....and welcome to the group. These people are full of wisdom.

Monica

--- In maestrosdeespanol@ yahoogroups. com, "hollyrah1976" <trooper22@. ..> wrote:
>
> Hello all, I am new to this group...
>
> I am a native English speaker who has always loved learning Spanish... I spent some time in Mexico as a cultural immersion student in college and when college was over I was hired in Phoenix as an elementary teacher and had lots of opportunity to practice my Spanish. When I got pregnant with my first child, I moved back to Michigan (where there aren't so many opportunities to practice ;) where I landed a job teaching Spanish I and II at a Catholic School. We use Glencoe's Bien Viaje books, which are not my favorites, but we have to use the same as the public school system.
>
> Anyway, I am so happy about finding this group. I am looking forward to perusing the resources and posting some of my own. I am also really interested in starting some sort of language practice group, such as a book club for people who would like to read and discuss books in Spanish...
>
> How do you all maintain your fluency?
>
> Looking forward to working together!
> Holly
>




#3259 From: Anna Burkhart <gringalatina88@...>
Date: Tue Dec 22, 2009 2:44 pm
Subject: Re: [MaestrosdeEspanol] Re: Hola a todos!
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Hi Moncia and Holly,
I'd like to offer some suggestions about maintaining fluency and practicing/using Spanish in your community.  I think interaction with people is best.  On the internet there are some language exchange sites that are free (you only have to register).  One is www.livemocha.com and the other that I prefer is www.sharedtalk.com   Both have text and voice chat capabilities and allow for indirect email contact through the site.  While this is a great oportunity to contact people from other countries the types of interactions are limited to things like making small talk, getting to know someone and discussion topics of mutual interest , which can be challenging too.  In your community when you are face to face with people,  interactions involve a sociolinguistic or sociocultural component that is not readily duplicated online. Such interactions tend to be transactions of some sort such as ordering a meal.  Even if there is not a visible hispanic presence in your area, chances are there are groups or even just a few families either in the community or in a nearby town/city.  Let your motivation guide you, but you will have to look for and make your own opportunities.  Some things you can try -join a Hispanic church or go to services/mass given in Spanish-if you can, make friends and network.  It always easier when you are introduced by someone already part of a group.  Find out about latin stores or grocery stores and restaurants in the area, talk to the people, order something, make small talk, see if there are Spanish language newspapers there.  They will have information about what's in town of interest-cultural activities, etc.  All this takes time and effort but it's worth it..  Let me know how it goes. 
Best of luck,
Anna

From: monica_youngblood <monica_youngblood@...>
To: maestrosdeespanol@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, December 21, 2009 7:58:46 AM
Subject: [MaestrosdeEspanol] Re: Hola a todos!

 

Holly, I am so thankful for your post. I am in exactly the same boat, with the places being different. My confidence level has dropped and I have looked into many options to improve, but none seem to fit my schedule or seem to really work. I am excited to hear the replies.

Oh....and welcome to the group. These people are full of wisdom.

Monica

--- In maestrosdeespanol@ yahoogroups. com, "hollyrah1976" <trooper22@. ..> wrote:
>
> Hello all, I am new to this group...
>
> I am a native English speaker who has always loved learning Spanish... I spent some time in Mexico as a cultural immersion student in college and when college was over I was hired in Phoenix as an elementary teacher and had lots of opportunity to practice my Spanish. When I got pregnant with my first child, I moved back to Michigan (where there aren't so many opportunities to practice ;) where I landed a job teaching Spanish I and II at a Catholic School. We use Glencoe's Bien Viaje books, which are not my favorites, but we have to use the same as the public school system.
>
> Anyway, I am so happy about finding this group. I am looking forward to perusing the resources and posting some of my own. I am also really interested in starting some sort of language practice group, such as a book club for people who would like to read and discuss books in Spanish...
>
> How do you all maintain your fluency?
>
> Looking forward to working together!
> Holly
>



#3258 From: danhan22@...
Date: Mon Dec 21, 2009 11:14 pm
Subject: Re: [MaestrosdeEspanol] discouraged
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Gia,
 
Thanks for sharing your situation with all of us. That is very inspirational. Also, I loved the technique mentioned at the end. Keep up the good work!
 
Daniel Hanson


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Sent: Mon, Dec 21, 2009 12:40 pm
Subject: Re: [MaestrosdeEspanol] discouraged

 
Dear Charlotte,
 
I agree with everyone else.  You sound like such a wonderful and competent teacher and person.  It has been such a pleasure working with you!  I'm so glad I didn't give up on this group as I had originally planned a couple of years ago because I began to give up trying since I was so down.  I decided to "lurk" and hang on.  You all have been such a great inspiration!
 
I, too, have been so discouraged for the same types of problems along with the fact that I didn't have support at all from anyone (especially not having a union).  It seemed that every time I turned around, I was in trouble because once again, someone didn't understand how a language should be taught and that person "knew better" than I did so "reported" me.  Spanish is new to the school and it's also now part of their GPA (other specials aren't).  Many parents and students didn't realize that just because you get all A's in other subjects doesn't mean that you'll be successful at learning another language.  Hence, the GPA of many of those student's went down since they thought they could just glide through.  I even had parents get upset at me when their kids got marked down for copying some answers I gave them to start them off on a worksheet!  I got the worst review of my career at the end of last year because everyone wanted to cater to the big donors and squeaky wheels.  I truly thought I was going to be fired.
 
This year, I decided to live as the Serenity Prayer states: God grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to know the difference.  Even if you aren't religious, I can't tell you how much peace it brings me when a problem arises.  As they began to pop up, I would quickly refer to the words of the prayer and determine if it was something I could change or not.  I did my best to either visualize happy things while bad thought entered my head in between times or actually go out and do something to make someone else happy in order to make me happy.  For example, one day I was so down, that I decided to approach 2 different parents, whose kids I liked, and tell them what a pleasure they were to have in class.  The first parent looked at me at first as if I was joking because they can get into trouble sometimes.  I told him that although they can be energetic, they bring life to the class which helps lighten things up not to mention how truly bright they are.  I also mentioned that I would rather have students like his kids than those who sat there like robots.

Things like that made me feel so good that it helped me get through each day no matter what had happened.  The next week, our principal decided to give us our evaluations so that we could discuss and work out any problems if there were any.  I thought "Great!  Here we go again!"  Much to my surprise, I got a great review.  I never changed/compromised my principles in my philosophy of teaching and how students should be handled even though I though I might lose my job over it.  However, I think the positive visualizations and actions have helped immensely.  It's still not all hunky dory but I am getting much more support than I ever expected.  By the way, if they complain again about anything, (and you feel comfortable saying this) I tell them with a big smile
"Oh yeah!  That's right!  It's pick on students (or insert name if it's one complainer) day today!" or "I'm sorry you feel that way but pick on students day is tomorrow"  or something to the effect of that's why you went to college/get paid the "big bucks"/your life's ambition.  It usually gets a smirk if not an all out smile out of them and they realize how petty they sound and it stops.
 
We're all behind you, kid!  :-)
 
Warmest regards,
Gia
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From: "Charlotte H Meyer" <cherokeecfg@hotmail.com>
To: "FLTeach" <flteach@listserv.buffalo.edu>, "Maestro de Español" <maestrosdeespanol@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 10:07:17 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: [MaestrosdeEspanol] discouraged

 
This is my first year teaching and I just finished teaching chapter 2-2 of Avancemos Level II to my second year students, which introduced reflexive verbs, pensar + infinitive, and the present progressive.  I just gave the students the first of the two grammar quizzes and they are totally bombing it in spite of the fact that I even gave one last review just before I handed out the quiz.  Most of the students are completely mixing up the reflexive with the pensar + infinitive and the present progressive.  To them it all seems like one big mess.  They can't separate them in their minds.  If I had to do it over again, I would quiz on the reflexive, then quiz on the pensar + infinitive, then quiz on the present progressive.  But it's too late.  They have been exposed to all three and it doesn't make sense to them.  Added to that we had two snow days plus an unplanned early out (so effectively the afternoon classes had three snow days), then a late start the following week.  The students complained that I didn't give them enough time on everything, but then a minute later they were all yapping while I was trying to teach.  I stopped the class and read them the riot act.  I told them I couldn't teach a thing when they are talking and don't they DARE try to blame me for their bad grades when they won't even listen to what I am trying to say.  How do I salvage this situation just before the vacation?  They have final exams the second week after they come back.

Charlotte Meyer
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#3257 From: Gcsee@...
Date: Mon Dec 21, 2009 8:40 pm
Subject: Re: [MaestrosdeEspanol] discouraged
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Dear Charlotte,

 

I agree with everyone else.  You sound like such a wonderful and competent teacher and person.  It has been such a pleasure working with you!  I'm so glad I didn't give up on this group as I had originally planned a couple of years ago because I began to give up trying since I was so down.  I decided to "lurk" and hang on.  You all have been such a great inspiration!

 

I, too, have been so discouraged for the same types of problems along with the fact that I didn't have support at all from anyone (especially not having a union).  It seemed that every time I turned around, I was in trouble because once again, someone didn't understand how a language should be taught and that person "knew better" than I did so "reported" me.  Spanish is new to the school and it's also now part of their GPA (other specials aren't).  Many parents and students didn't realize that just because you get all A's in other subjects doesn't mean that you'll be successful at learning another language.  Hence, the GPA of many of those student's went down since they thought they could just glide through.  I even had parents get upset at me when their kids got marked down for copying some answers I gave them to start them off on a worksheet!  I got the worst review of my career at the end of last year because everyone wanted to cater to the big donors and squeaky wheels.  I truly thought I was going to be fired.

 

This year, I decided to live as the Serenity Prayer states: God grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to know the difference.  Even if you aren't religious, I can't tell you how much peace it brings me when a problem arises.  As they began to pop up, I would quickly refer to the words of the prayer and determine if it was something I could change or not.  I did my best to either visualize happy things while bad thought entered my head in between times or actually go out and do something to make someone else happy in order to make me happy.  For example, one day I was so down, that I decided to approach 2 different parents, whose kids I liked, and tell them what a pleasure they were to have in class.  The first parent looked at me at first as if I was joking because they can get into trouble sometimes.  I told him that although they can be energetic, they bring life to the class which helps lighten things up not to mention how truly bright they are.  I also mentioned that I would rather have students like his kids than those who sat there like robots.


Things like that made me feel so good that it helped me get through each day no matter what had happened.  The next week, our principal decided to give us our evaluations so that we could discuss and work out any problems if there were any.  I thought "Great!  Here we go again!"  Much to my surprise, I got a great review.  I never changed/compromised my principles in my philosophy of teaching and how students should be handled even though I though I might lose my job over it.  However, I think the positive visualizations and actions have helped immensely.  It's still not all hunky dory but I am getting much more support than I ever expected.  By the way, if they complain again about anything, (and you feel comfortable saying this) I tell them with a big smile

"Oh yeah!  That's right!  It's pick on students (or insert name if it's one complainer) day today!" or "I'm sorry you feel that way but pick on students day is tomorrow"  or something to the effect of that's why you went to college/get paid the "big bucks"/your life's ambition.  It usually gets a smirk if not an all out smile out of them and they realize how petty they sound and it stops.

 

We're all behind you, kid!  :-)

 

Warmest regards,

Gia

 

 

 

----- Original Message -----
From: "Charlotte H Meyer" <cherokeecfg@...>
To: "FLTeach" <flteach@...>, "Maestro de Español" <maestrosdeespanol@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 10:07:17 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: [MaestrosdeEspanol] discouraged

 

This is my first year teaching and I just finished teaching chapter 2-2 of Avancemos Level II to my second year students, which introduced reflexive verbs, pensar + infinitive, and the present progressive.  I just gave the students the first of the two grammar quizzes and they are totally bombing it in spite of the fact that I even gave one last review just before I handed out the quiz.  Most of the students are completely mixing up the reflexive with the pensar + infinitive and the present progressive.  To them it all seems like one big mess.  They can't separate them in their minds.  If I had to do it over again, I would quiz on the reflexive, then quiz on the pensar + infinitive, then quiz on the present progressive.  But it's too late.  They have been exposed to all three and it doesn't make sense to them.  Added to that we had two snow days plus an unplanned early out (so effectively the afternoon classes had three snow days), then a late start the following week.  The students complained that I didn't give them enough time on everything, but then a minute later they were all yapping while I was trying to teach.  I stopped the class and read them the riot act.  I told them I couldn't teach a thing when they are talking and don't they DARE try to blame me for their bad grades when they won't even listen to what I am trying to say.  How do I salvage this situation just before the vacation?  They have final exams the second week after they come back.

Charlotte Meyer
Spanish Teacher
Japanese tutor





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#3256 From: Gcsee@...
Date: Mon Dec 21, 2009 8:00 pm
Subject: Re: [MaestrosdeEspanol] Concerns about using visuals to establish meaning
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Hi Dan,

 

Although I  teach preK-8th, I have to tell you that using visuals has helped students learning immensely!  I too don't like the thought of the searching for pictures, copying, etc. as you mentioned.  However, I had to do it since we don't have a textbook that fits into our type of schedule- 1x a wk. for 45 min. 3rd-8th & 2x for 1/2 an hour K-2nd (preK is only 10 min a week).  As I have mentioned before, our state (MI) doesn't have exact GLICE's for teaching foreign language below high school aged kids.

 

While I was looking over the introductions of the North Carolina and Nebraska state GLICE's, I noticed there was mention of when young children first acquire language skills, it is through verbal language cues.  I mentioned this to a fellow co-worker who is a resource room teacher w/a linguistics background.  She said "Of course!" and reminded me that when I was first learning to speak, my mom offered me a cookie by showing me the cookie rather than the word cookie.

 

After feeling foolish about the obvious being pointed out to me, I began to put together my school's curriculum as such as part of the opening class routine.  For example, K-2nd grade had "Weather Bears" to  dress.  They had to tell me the correct names in Spanish for the articles of clothing in order to Velcro it on.  If they needed a coat, a volunteer would have to say "abrigo" when I showed them the abrigo to Velcro on to either bear. 

 

I know have extended this up through 8th grade.  No, they're not dressing bears (lol) but they are using a magnetic calendar, weather chart, etc.  BTW, this is all part of their grade.  I mark down who has answered which question making sure that everyone has had a turn.  Also, having 2 posters up (for 4th-8th gr.) with questions such as "Puedo ir al bano?" and corresponding pictures has helped to encourage them to speak.  Instead of dressing Weather bears, I'm working on something for the Jr. High students that would involve fashion design (using very simple words) and have them model and talk about their clothes without use of their words in front of them.  I want to keep reinforcing the words in Spanish by incorporating it more and more into our discussions by substituting the words while I speak.  It's just like when I only use Spanish for simple classroom commands to remind them in to push in their chair, ask them to stand up, etc.  I guess it's Spanglish and a slightly unorthodox teaching method but it seems to be working because I have many students who are now speaking that way.  I also would like the older students to make wordless scrapbooks for the younger students and describe them to me w/o referring to the words to reinforce vocab both ways.  The younger students love bonding with their older buddies and the older buddies love the attention.  Speaking of that, I had all of my students preK-8 make Thanksgiving and Christmas cards for each other.  If there weren't assigned buddies like with some grades, I just randomly passed out the cards.  They were so excited to make and receive the cards that they caught on very fast about the use of exclamation points and the meaning and usage of Atentamente.  They were not allowed to use any English.  Therefore, they also quickly learned words/expressions to use with the pictures on their cards.  I kept the lesson to such a short amount of time that we weren't doing such an extensive craft that they lost the meaning.

 

 They seem to be much more confident in their learning new material since we have an established routine at the beginning of the class.  Also, as far as having limited background knowledge like your Spanish 1 students, I stress that in the real world when someone is trying to communicate in a second language to a native speaker, many times gestures and motions are used with speaking words.  I greatly encourage it with my students as well as the fact that I do it as well. 

 

Please don't forget that students who are good at learning foreign languages are not always the ones who get all A's.  Many times,  the slower learners/special needs students, who are usually concrete in their thinking for other subjects, are actually better at visualizing a foreign language.  I find that many of the honors students are the ones who are very concrete in their thinking.  I think that's why I have been experiencing so many "political" problems (as I have mentioned to the group before).  Spanish is new to the school and they are used to not doing well.  I've been told to give no homework in order to keep the students GPA up. 

 

Again, I hope this helps even a little bit.  I also hope I wasn't too long winded. :-)

 

Gia


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From: "Daniel Hanson" <danhan22@...>
To: maestrosdeespanol@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 2:28:15 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: [MaestrosdeEspanol] Concerns about using visuals to establish meaning

 

Concerns about establishing meaning in the academic setting

Okay, here's my second post of concerns I have when I want to establish meaning for a list of vocabulary terms for a vocab. theme/topic/section/subsection:

 

1.       Should I be so worried about using visuals, especially illustrations/pictures, in my classroom?

I think some of my problem is I don't want to spend time copying, cutting, pasting vocab. pictures from the textbook, workbook, and ancillary materials to create vocab. flashcards for the students, nor do I want to hunt down the perfect images in clipart or online either. The last year or two I have done this during the 2nd semester of Spanish I, putting 20 or so pictures of vocabulary relating to one or two vocab. topics or subtopics for a particular unit of study (in other words, chapter). The first time I would provide the students with their own copy of the handout. They would label the illustrations (usually all from the textbook materials) in Spanish. Then in a day or two later, I would give them the same handout again, but count it as a vocab. quiz (sometimes I gave them word banks). I don't think I am applying very well the use of visuals to enhance vocab. development  with this routine. The kids seem to like doing the worksheets because they are very, VERY basic. The problem with this is I have limited money to make copies, even less this year than before. So, doing this doesn't seem an option unless you're working at a school with unlimited copying or something. I sometimes question how effective this routine is in terms of "truly" acquiring the vocab. It seems to me that the same brainpower required to memorize lists of vocabulary with the English translation on the side (like what we find in the textbook) (and what lots of teachers in other disciplines use when introducing or working with terms) is being used because students have to memorize what the picture represents. For instance, I present a picture of a car on the highway (black-and-white illustration) to my Spanish I class (of about 33-34 students). Some students might think, "Oh, that's a car!" (which is what *I* want them to think); others might think, "Oh, I know what that is. That's a highway!", while even others might think, "Oh, I know what that is. That's the verb for `driving,' because that man in the car looks like he's driving, huh?". Won't I have to use verbal clues (and these verbal clues would have to be in the L1, or possibly in the L2—but since I teach Spanish I, there isn't much the students will comprehend, will there?) to help concretize what *I* want them to see in the picture in order to establish the meaning? This, to me, makes using illustrations, etc., not as concrete as using vocab. lists with English translations. Word lists with English equivalents are a routine that's more ideal for concrete and slower learners, right? I don't know. I could be wrong. I'm just throwing my thoughts out there so I can see if I'm on the right track or not.

Okay. Another thing I am worried about is: Can you overuse the principle of visuals in the classroom?

One of my colleagues really likes to have her students draw to help them remember words and their meanings in Spanish. She has the students go over the vocabulary section at the end of the chapter or from the previous chapters and write down words they don't know or can't remember. Then she has them draw pictures next to them to represent that word, something that will create a mental image for them to remember the word and its meaning in their own minds. She also sometimes has the students do "word-grams"— I think that's what they're called. It's an activity where the students take a piece of paper and create an image or representation of the word's meaning by how they draw the letters of the word. For example: For the word "circle," they would write the letters of the word "circle" to form a circle shape. For the word "wood," they would [please excuse the cacophony] take a piece of paper and make the letters of the word look like they were covered in bark or something like that to symbolize "wood" in their minds. For students who claim to know all the words in the vocab. section, she would tell them to create sentences with the words in context if they really know them that well. Another activity she does with vocabulary is have the students fold their paper into 4 sections. In the first section the students put the vocab. word. The second section is a definition in Spanish (she teaches only Spanish II classes when possible) or the part of speech if need be since their vocab. in Spanish isn't developed enough to make their own definitions in Spanish. The third section is the sample sentence with the vocab. word in context. The fourth section is where their drawing, usually stick figures ones since there isn't a lot of space in the boxes. What's neat about this activity is you can fold the paper different ways to cover up certain information. For example, you can cover it up so just the picture is showing and the students have to recall the word based off of the picture.

Sometimes I wonder if we as teachers get into doing so much drawing, crafts, and projects that we lose valuable learning time because the students are so focused and spend so much time on creating the products than on actually learning the words. I am probably thinking this because I am very analytical and concrete-orientated. I was never big into doing projects, posters, etc., as a student.

Daniel Hanson

High School Spanish Instructor/Teacher

Modesto, California, USA


#3255 From: Gcsee@...
Date: Mon Dec 21, 2009 6:58 pm
Subject: Re: [MaestrosdeEspanol] Hola a todos!
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Welcome to the group!

 

I'm from Michigan as well (Catholic school too) so I totally know what you're talking about when you mention about not having as many opportunities to practice.  There are more Hispanic families moving into our area lately which does help a bit.  I look forward to working with you as well!\

 

Gia

 

 


----- Original Message -----
From: "hollyrah1976" <trooper22@...>
To: maestrosdeespanol@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2009 9:10:53 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: [MaestrosdeEspanol] Hola a todos!

 

Hello all, I am new to this group...

I am a native English speaker who has always loved learning Spanish... I spent some time in Mexico as a cultural immersion student in college and when college was over I was hired in Phoenix as an elementary teacher and had lots of opportunity to practice my Spanish. When I got pregnant with my first child, I moved back to Michigan (where there aren't so many opportunities to practice ;) where I landed a job teaching Spanish I and II at a Catholic School. We use Glencoe's Bien Viaje books, which are not my favorites, but we have to use the same as the public school system.

Anyway, I am so happy about finding this group. I am looking forward to perusing the resources and posting some of my own. I am also really interested in starting some sort of language practice group, such as a book club for people who would like to read and discuss books in Spanish...

How do you all maintain your fluency?

Looking forward to working together!
Holly


#3254 From: "fackina" <fackina@...>
Date: Mon Dec 21, 2009 1:44 pm
Subject: Re: Hola a todos!
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HOLA
I use Buen Viaje also and have used it for YEARS!
Do you know about:
http://mysite.verizon.net/vze4q55t/miclaseestuclase2/index.html

and there are more out there too- lots of materials for Buen Viaje

--- In maestrosdeespanol@yahoogroups.com, "hollyrah1976" <trooper22@...> wrote:
>
> Hello all, I am new to this group...
>
> I am a native English speaker who has always loved learning Spanish... I spent
some time in Mexico as a cultural immersion student in college and when college
was over I was hired in Phoenix as an elementary teacher and had lots of
opportunity to practice my Spanish.  When I got pregnant with my first child, I
moved back to Michigan (where there aren't so many opportunities to practice ;)
where I landed a job teaching Spanish I and II at a Catholic School.  We use
Glencoe's Bien Viaje books, which are not my favorites, but we have to use the
same as the public school system.
>
> Anyway, I am so happy about finding this group.  I am looking forward to
perusing the resources and posting some of my own.  I am also really interested
in starting some sort of language practice group, such as a book club for people
who would like to read and discuss books in Spanish...
>
> How do you all maintain your fluency?
>
> Looking forward to working together!
> Holly
>

#3253 From: "monica_youngblood" <monica_youngblood@...>
Date: Mon Dec 21, 2009 12:58 pm
Subject: Re: Hola a todos!
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Holly, I am so thankful for your post. I am in exactly the same boat, with the
places being different. My confidence level has dropped and I have looked into
many options to improve, but none seem to fit my schedule or seem to really
work. I am excited to hear the replies.

Oh....and welcome to the group. These people are full of wisdom.

Monica

--- In maestrosdeespanol@yahoogroups.com, "hollyrah1976" <trooper22@...> wrote:
>
> Hello all, I am new to this group...
>
> I am a native English speaker who has always loved learning Spanish... I spent
some time in Mexico as a cultural immersion student in college and when college
was over I was hired in Phoenix as an elementary teacher and had lots of
opportunity to practice my Spanish.  When I got pregnant with my first child, I
moved back to Michigan (where there aren't so many opportunities to practice ;)
where I landed a job teaching Spanish I and II at a Catholic School.  We use
Glencoe's Bien Viaje books, which are not my favorites, but we have to use the
same as the public school system.
>
> Anyway, I am so happy about finding this group.  I am looking forward to
perusing the resources and posting some of my own.  I am also really interested
in starting some sort of language practice group, such as a book club for people
who would like to read and discuss books in Spanish...
>
> How do you all maintain your fluency?
>
> Looking forward to working together!
> Holly
>

#3252 From: "hollyrah1976" <trooper22@...>
Date: Sun Dec 20, 2009 2:10 pm
Subject: Hola a todos!
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Hello all, I am new to this group...

I am a native English speaker who has always loved learning Spanish... I spent
some time in Mexico as a cultural immersion student in college and when college
was over I was hired in Phoenix as an elementary teacher and had lots of
opportunity to practice my Spanish.  When I got pregnant with my first child, I
moved back to Michigan (where there aren't so many opportunities to practice ;)
where I landed a job teaching Spanish I and II at a Catholic School.  We use
Glencoe's Bien Viaje books, which are not my favorites, but we have to use the
same as the public school system.

Anyway, I am so happy about finding this group.  I am looking forward to
perusing the resources and posting some of my own.  I am also really interested
in starting some sort of language practice group, such as a book club for people
who would like to read and discuss books in Spanish...

How do you all maintain your fluency?

Looking forward to working together!
Holly

#3251 From: Diane Brooks <rollingads@...>
Date: Sat Dec 19, 2009 2:18 pm
Subject: RE: [MaestrosdeEspanol] Concerns about how to establish meaning (Vocab.)
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Over the years I've saved things in the huge cat litter boxes as units.  As my kids have outgrown toys (like pretend foods, cars, dolls, etc.) I've put them in the buckets.  We also have a free cycle program in our area where I can ask for things like that.  I agree that pictures are really hard to get the kids to see only one concept.  Also, when I would use diffferent pictures the kids wouldn't know what the word was, as they were so used to the text book picture.  There was no transfer.  Dinae

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Subject: RE: [MaestrosdeEspanol] Concerns about how to establish meaning (Vocab.)
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Date: Saturday, December 19, 2009, 8:16 AM

 

When I introduced the vocab for the reflexive verb chapter, I scrounged around my house and brought a bag to school which had toothbrush, toothpaste, comb, small towel, deodorant, shampoo, a can of shaving cream, etc.  Not possible in all situations, but I think it sure helps them to see the real thing if at all possible instead of looking at pictures all the time.  I encouraged them to label things at home, but they looked at me like I had grown two heads.

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#3250 From: Charlotte H Meyer <cherokeecfg@...>
Date: Sat Dec 19, 2009 2:29 pm
Subject: RE: [MaestrosdeEspanol] Concerns about using visuals to establish meaning
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1.       Should I be so worried about using visuals, especially illustrations/pictures, in my classroom?


Why not make the students bring in the pictures?  I had my students bring in full-body pictures of people so we could label it with the new body words we were learning, such as elbow, shoulder, neck, etc.  They cut (or tore) them out of magazines and newspapers.  Some printed pictures off the internet.  I got everything from an anatomical picture to a picture of the student herself to Jacob from the second Twilight movie "New Moon" (hubba-hubba!).  I also got a few hand-drawn pictures, but I made sure to say absolutely no stick figures.

With new vocab you can make them bring in the pictures and glue them to large cards for flashcards.  If you get more than one for the flashcard, so much the better.  Make it a collage flashcard.  I think it will help them "own" the words.  Gee, I think I might try this with the next chapter.  Since I have five classes of the same level, I might divide up the vocabulary words into groups and assign a group of words to each class.  They have been begging for ways to earn extra credit points, so not everyone has to do it, I can just give a couple of extra points for anyone who does, then we can make the cards.  Now to figure out where to get large cards......

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#3249 From: Charlotte H Meyer <cherokeecfg@...>
Date: Sat Dec 19, 2009 2:16 pm
Subject: RE: [MaestrosdeEspanol] Concerns about how to establish meaning (Vocab.)
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When I introduced the vocab for the reflexive verb chapter, I scrounged around my house and brought a bag to school which had toothbrush, toothpaste, comb, small towel, deodorant, shampoo, a can of shaving cream, etc.  Not possible in all situations, but I think it sure helps them to see the real thing if at all possible instead of looking at pictures all the time.  I encouraged them to label things at home, but they looked at me like I had grown two heads.

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#3248 From: Chris Rose <maestrarose@...>
Date: Sat Dec 19, 2009 12:31 pm
Subject: RE: [MaestrosdeEspanol] Which assessments to use with vocabulary?
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I got side-tracked and forgot to give you the following pdf from Michael Miller, a German TPRS teacher...

http://www.sabineundmichael.com/Resources_files/HLTnotes.pdf

One should assess in the same manner in which students are taught.  My vocabulary quizzes are simple just for them to let me know that they have acquired the vocabulary.  I really should give them more quizzes, but I haven't been doing so lately.  I used Quia for their last one, and it was easy to grade.  I have also used Quia for other assessments because I can add a reading and have them answer questions about it.  I can add audio for them to listen and answer questions...

My 9 weeks' tests include reading and answering questions about the stories.  I also include a few words that they haven't had, but I make sure that they can figure out the meaning through context clues, word order or word ending clues.  We work on these skills a LOT during our reading sessions throughout the year.  I tell them that part of learning a language is developing this skill because they will ALWAYS confront new vocabulary throughout their studies of a language, just as they do in English. 

They also have a writing portion of the test.  They may have to write about a storyboard that I create using vocabulary from the 9 weeks, or I may give them a list of adjectives, another list of nouns, another list of verbs, another list of weather terms, etc. and have them use 3, 4, 5, or 6 of the terms in each list when they write their stories.  They have to evaluate their writing by using the rubric that I give them when I give them the writing test.  If they rate themselves low in one category, they should go back and see if they can improve it before turning it in.  I want all A's!!!

For the speaking portion, I use a storyboard and have them speak to me for 2 minutes, telling the story.  In order to prepare for the test, I give them similar story boards and, as a class, we try to come up with as many sentences as we can about the first picture.  We've had as many as 53 sentences about one picture with only a picture of a girl and a cat.  Then we work on bringing these simple sentences together into more complex sentences.  This helps their writing and their speaking.

For the listening portion of the test, I often give a dictation.  We practice these often before the test.  I start with shorter sentences.  I write the number of words in each sentence to the left of the number of each sentence.  I say the sentence three times, no more.  After that, they check their mistakes.  Spelling counts!!  As they check each sentence, I have them count the number of words they got correct and write it in the margin.  I try to get an easy number of words to figure their percentage correct.  If there are 50 words in the entire dictation, they just take the number they got correct times 2 to see what their percentage is.  They try to improve their percentages throughout the 9 week period.  I don't take a grade on these.  I just tell them that I want their percentages to increase each time so that their test grade will be 100%.  They just have to practice so that they can "catch"more and more of it as we practice throughout the grading period.  I give different sentences each time we practice, and the test has new sentences that have the same vocabulary.  They NEVER complain about not getting a grade for their practice dications!!

I assess the same way that I teach and they find that the tests are easier than they thought.

Chris


To: maestrosdeespanol@yahoogroups.com
From: maestrarose@...
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 06:09:18 -0500
Subject: RE: [MaestrosdeEspanol] Which assessments to use with vocabulary?

 
Daniel,

For all of the questions that you have addressed in your e-mails, you can find the answers in TPRS.  I can't take time right now to write everything because I have to travel out of state, but check it out...  There is a TPRS yahoo group that is wonderful and has a supportive atmosphere.  MORETPRS is the name of the group.  You can do some reading at Ben Slavic's blog. He has also written two books that are very well thought out with lots of info. 
http://www.benslavic.com/ 

Of course, there's Blaine Ray's book, Fluency through TPRStorytelling, and many other sites with lots of info. 
http://www.blaineraytprs.com/ 
http://www.susangrosstprs.com/
https://www.tprstorytelling.com/index.php
There are DVD's and other materials that show you how to do TPRS. 

I think TPRS is a mindset as well as an approach to teaching a language.  This is my 27th year teaching.  I never could use the compartmentalized approach of textbooks.  I always had to integrate the vocabulary into stories in order to allow students to feel the language used correctly. 

Language is really not compartmentalized.  It's a messy business teaching a language.  Why should I wait until Spanish II, for example, to teach students to use double object pronouns effectively?  If I have given them the concept as a vocabulary phrase (ex. se lo da), they integrate it into their language skills without having to totally analyze every word before actually speaking.  They learn as they did when they were little learning English.  Through repetitions, they are able to say it on their own and know what they are saying as well as saying it in a grammatically correct way.  When they learn by doing grammatical analysis, their speech is stilted and stifled because of the constant analysis that they must do while speaking.  After learning to say it correctly and feeling the language via TPRS, students can successfully communicate without having to analyze their speech. 

I hope you will consider reading about it.  I was doing TPRS before Blaine Ray developed it.  When I read about it years ago, I was elated to find that someone else taught as I did.  He and Joe Neilson, a wonderful TPRS teacher, wrote their stories into books and made it easier to develop a curriculum based on the concept.  I wish I had written all of my stories down and had done that years ago.  I had just had students help me develop stories with the vocabulary we were using at the time.  We would act them out and have fun with the language. 

You may find that there are errors in his books.  In an attempt to get them out, I think he skipped the editing stage a bit.  However,they are easily corrected and it isn't necessary to use his stories.  As long as the vocabulary and grammatical concepts are there, you can create your own stories to go along with them.  Students fill out the details during the questioning (asking) stage of the process.  They become involved with the story because they help create it.  My students like the story we did about a cow living in Costa Rica who jumped to the moon and took the monkey's money.  The monkey lived on a boat in a lake in a volcano on the moon. (This came from the news that there was water on the moon) 

You have very good questions that all teachers need to ponder.  They have been discussed in detail on the MORETPRS listserv and are constantly answered as new teachers join. 

I will have limited computer access for a while since my mother doesn't have the internet or I would answer each of your questions in more detail.


Have a Merry Christmas!!
        
Chris






To: maestrosdeespanol@yahoogroups.com
From: danhan22@aol.com
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 08:06:38 +0000
Subject: [MaestrosdeEspanol] Which assessments to use with vocabulary?

 

 How should I set up my formal assessments for vocabulary development?

There are lots of types of assessments I can come up with the "test" students understanding of vocabulary, much of which deal with writing of some sort: fill in sentences with words from the word bank, label drawings, match pictures with terms, match definitions or English equivalents with terms, draw listed items, write English translation, write the L2 translation based off of the English terms or sentences, etc.

How do I know which one to use?

Does it have to be congruent with HOW the students have been practicing the vocabulary inside and/or outside of the classroom? For example, if I had the students label pictures in Spanish for our single in-class activity to reinforce the vocabulary terms, does that mean my vocab. quiz has to have the same pictures and/or same format?

Harry Wong states that we as teachers need to assess the students in the same manner as we practice the material during class work. Personally, I see validity in that point of his. It definitely throws people off when they have been practicing the material one way and you test them another way, although it's still the same material. In the students' minds, they were expecting the same format as before. Sometimes, the students kind of freeze up mentally or resist because it's something different from what they are used to doing. On the other hand, theoretically, we as teachers want our students to be able to apply the vocabulary in whatever format because students need to learn to apply their language skills in multiple formats. They shouldn't just get to one way. What are your thoughts on this? Should I be making sure my assessments match up the same format as our practice work, even taking problems from the practice work for the assessment?

Also, in one far back region of my brain, I feel guilty for not assessment students more in a more real-life, verbal or physical modality over the vocabulary. It's usually the written modality because it's easiest to manage, grade, and control as a teacher. Also, it's more of the "academic" modality used in college, etc. Should I worry about this? With 33-34 in some classes of high school freshmen taking Spanish I for the first time, I worry about how manageable this test modality would be given these circumstances. (Oral testing does take a long time and can be more subjective on the part of the evaluator.)

 

Daniel Hanson

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Modesto, California, USA




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#3247 From: Sarah Segall <sarah@...>
Date: Sat Dec 19, 2009 11:46 am
Subject: Re: [MaestrosdeEspanol] Which assessments to use with vocabulary?
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I could not agree more.  I was gearing myself up to write a big long reply about whole language and meaningful experience and context, etc.  This is how I teach and it makes a world of difference.

Please follow this advice and check out the TPRS.  It will make your life better, teaching easier (because it's more fun and more effective), and learning more meaningful for your students.

Have fun with it! (Over the holidays is a great time to regroup.)

Sarah (Maestra de español por 12 años)

On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 3:09 AM, Chris Rose <maestrarose@...> wrote:
 

Daniel,

For all of the questions that you have addressed in your e-mails, you can find the answers in TPRS.  I can't take time right now to write everything because I have to travel out of state, but check it out...  There is a TPRS yahoo group that is wonderful and has a supportive atmosphere.  MORETPRS is the name of the group.  You can do some reading at Ben Slavic's blog. He has also written two books that are very well thought out with lots of info. 
http://www.benslavic.com/ 

Of course, there's Blaine Ray's book, Fluency through TPRStorytelling, and many other sites with lots of info. 
http://www.blaineraytprs.com/ 
http://www.susangrosstprs.com/
https://www.tprstorytelling.com/index.php
There are DVD's and other materials that show you how to do TPRS. 

I think TPRS is a mindset as well as an approach to teaching a language.  This is my 27th year teaching.  I never could use the compartmentalized approach of textbooks.  I always had to integrate the vocabulary into stories in order to allow students to feel the language used correctly. 

Language is really not compartmentalized.  It's a messy business teaching a language.  Why should I wait until Spanish II, for example, to teach students to use double object pronouns effectively?  If I have given them the concept as a vocabulary phrase (ex. se lo da), they integrate it into their language skills without having to totally analyze every word before actually speaking.  They learn as they did when they were little learning English.  Through repetitions, they are able to say it on their own and know what they are saying as well as saying it in a grammatically correct way.  When they learn by doing grammatical analysis, their speech is stilted and stifled because of the constant analysis that they must do while speaking.  After learning to say it correctly and feeling the language via TPRS, students can successfully communicate without having to analyze their speech. 

I hope you will consider reading about it.  I was doing TPRS before Blaine Ray developed it.  When I read about it years ago, I was elated to find that someone else taught as I did.  He and Joe Neilson, a wonderful TPRS teacher, wrote their stories into books and made it easier to develop a curriculum based on the concept.  I wish I had written all of my stories down and had done that years ago.  I had just had students help me develop stories with the vocabulary we were using at the time.  We would act them out and have fun with the language. 

You may find that there are errors in his books.  In an attempt to get them out, I think he skipped the editing stage a bit.  However,they are easily corrected and it isn't necessary to use his stories.  As long as the vocabulary and grammatical concepts are there, you can create your own stories to go along with them.  Students fill out the details during the questioning (asking) stage of the process.  They become involved with the story because they help create it.  My students like the story we did about a cow living in Costa Rica who jumped to the moon and took the monkey's money.  The monkey lived on a boat in a lake in a volcano on the moon. (This came from the news that there was water on the moon) 

You have very good questions that all teachers need to ponder.  They have been discussed in detail on the MORETPRS listserv and are constantly answered as new teachers join. 

I will have limited computer access for a while since my mother doesn't have the internet or I would answer each of your questions in more detail.


Have a Merry Christmas!!
        
Chris





To: maestrosdeespanol@yahoogroups.com
From: danhan22@...
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 08:06:38 +0000
Subject: [MaestrosdeEspanol] Which assessments to use with vocabulary?

 

 How should I set up my formal assessments for vocabulary development?

There are lots of types of assessments I can come up with the "test" students understanding of vocabulary, much of which deal with writing of some sort: fill in sentences with words from the word bank, label drawings, match pictures with terms, match definitions or English equivalents with terms, draw listed items, write English translation, write the L2 translation based off of the English terms or sentences, etc.

How do I know which one to use?

Does it have to be congruent with HOW the students have been practicing the vocabulary inside and/or outside of the classroom? For example, if I had the students label pictures in Spanish for our single in-class activity to reinforce the vocabulary terms, does that mean my vocab. quiz has to have the same pictures and/or same format?

Harry Wong states that we as teachers need to assess the students in the same manner as we practice the material during class work. Personally, I see validity in that point of his. It definitely throws people off when they have been practicing the material one way and you test them another way, although it's still the same material. In the students' minds, they were expecting the same format as before. Sometimes, the students kind of freeze up mentally or resist because it's something different from what they are used to doing. On the other hand, theoretically, we as teachers want our students to be able to apply the vocabulary in whatever format because students need to learn to apply their language skills in multiple formats. They shouldn't just get to one way. What are your thoughts on this? Should I be making sure my assessments match up the same format as our practice work, even taking problems from the practice work for the assessment?

Also, in one far back region of my brain, I feel guilty for not assessment students more in a more real-life, verbal or physical modality over the vocabulary. It's usually the written modality because it's easiest to manage, grade, and control as a teacher. Also, it's more of the "academic" modality used in college, etc. Should I worry about this? With 33-34 in some classes of high school freshmen taking Spanish I for the first time, I worry about how manageable this test modality would be given these circumstances. (Oral testing does take a long time and can be more subjective on the part of the evaluator.)

 

Daniel Hanson

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Modesto, California, USA




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#3246 From: Chris Rose <maestrarose@...>
Date: Sat Dec 19, 2009 11:09 am
Subject: RE: [MaestrosdeEspanol] Which assessments to use with vocabulary?
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Daniel,

For all of the questions that you have addressed in your e-mails, you can find the answers in TPRS.  I can't take time right now to write everything because I have to travel out of state, but check it out...  There is a TPRS yahoo group that is wonderful and has a supportive atmosphere.  MORETPRS is the name of the group.  You can do some reading at Ben Slavic's blog. He has also written two books that are very well thought out with lots of info. 
http://www.benslavic.com/ 

Of course, there's Blaine Ray's book, Fluency through TPRStorytelling, and many other sites with lots of info. 
http://www.blaineraytprs.com/ 
http://www.susangrosstprs.com/
https://www.tprstorytelling.com/index.php
There are DVD's and other materials that show you how to do TPRS. 

I think TPRS is a mindset as well as an approach to teaching a language.  This is my 27th year teaching.  I never could use the compartmentalized approach of textbooks.  I always had to integrate the vocabulary into stories in order to allow students to feel the language used correctly. 

Language is really not compartmentalized.  It's a messy business teaching a language.  Why should I wait until Spanish II, for example, to teach students to use double object pronouns effectively?  If I have given them the concept as a vocabulary phrase (ex. se lo da), they integrate it into their language skills without having to totally analyze every word before actually speaking.  They learn as they did when they were little learning English.  Through repetitions, they are able to say it on their own and know what they are saying as well as saying it in a grammatically correct way.  When they learn by doing grammatical analysis, their speech is stilted and stifled because of the constant analysis that they must do while speaking.  After learning to say it correctly and feeling the language via TPRS, students can successfully communicate without having to analyze their speech. 

I hope you will consider reading about it.  I was doing TPRS before Blaine Ray developed it.  When I read about it years ago, I was elated to find that someone else taught as I did.  He and Joe Neilson, a wonderful TPRS teacher, wrote their stories into books and made it easier to develop a curriculum based on the concept.  I wish I had written all of my stories down and had done that years ago.  I had just had students help me develop stories with the vocabulary we were using at the time.  We would act them out and have fun with the language. 

You may find that there are errors in his books.  In an attempt to get them out, I think he skipped the editing stage a bit.  However,they are easily corrected and it isn't necessary to use his stories.  As long as the vocabulary and grammatical concepts are there, you can create your own stories to go along with them.  Students fill out the details during the questioning (asking) stage of the process.  They become involved with the story because they help create it.  My students like the story we did about a cow living in Costa Rica who jumped to the moon and took the monkey's money.  The monkey lived on a boat in a lake in a volcano on the moon. (This came from the news that there was water on the moon) 

You have very good questions that all teachers need to ponder.  They have been discussed in detail on the MORETPRS listserv and are constantly answered as new teachers join. 

I will have limited computer access for a while since my mother doesn't have the internet or I would answer each of your questions in more detail.


Have a Merry Christmas!!
        
Chris





To: maestrosdeespanol@yahoogroups.com
From: danhan22@...
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 08:06:38 +0000
Subject: [MaestrosdeEspanol] Which assessments to use with vocabulary?

 

 How should I set up my formal assessments for vocabulary development?

There are lots of types of assessments I can come up with the "test" students understanding of vocabulary, much of which deal with writing of some sort: fill in sentences with words from the word bank, label drawings, match pictures with terms, match definitions or English equivalents with terms, draw listed items, write English translation, write the L2 translation based off of the English terms or sentences, etc.

How do I know which one to use?

Does it have to be congruent with HOW the students have been practicing the vocabulary inside and/or outside of the classroom? For example, if I had the students label pictures in Spanish for our single in-class activity to reinforce the vocabulary terms, does that mean my vocab. quiz has to have the same pictures and/or same format?

Harry Wong states that we as teachers need to assess the students in the same manner as we practice the material during class work. Personally, I see validity in that point of his. It definitely throws people off when they have been practicing the material one way and you test them another way, although it's still the same material. In the students' minds, they were expecting the same format as before. Sometimes, the students kind of freeze up mentally or resist because it's something different from what they are used to doing. On the other hand, theoretically, we as teachers want our students to be able to apply the vocabulary in whatever format because students need to learn to apply their language skills in multiple formats. They shouldn't just get to one way. What are your thoughts on this? Should I be making sure my assessments match up the same format as our practice work, even taking problems from the practice work for the assessment?

Also, in one far back region of my brain, I feel guilty for not assessment students more in a more real-life, verbal or physical modality over the vocabulary. It's usually the written modality because it's easiest to manage, grade, and control as a teacher. Also, it's more of the "academic" modality used in college, etc. Should I worry about this? With 33-34 in some classes of high school freshmen taking Spanish I for the first time, I worry about how manageable this test modality would be given these circumstances. (Oral testing does take a long time and can be more subjective on the part of the evaluator.)

 

Daniel Hanson

High School Spanish Instructor/Teacher

Modesto, California, USA




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#3245 From: "Daniel Hanson" <danhan22@...>
Date: Sat Dec 19, 2009 8:06 am
Subject: Which assessments to use with vocabulary?
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 How should I set up my formal assessments for vocabulary development?

There are lots of types of assessments I can come up with the "test" students understanding of vocabulary, much of which deal with writing of some sort: fill in sentences with words from the word bank, label drawings, match pictures with terms, match definitions or English equivalents with terms, draw listed items, write English translation, write the L2 translation based off of the English terms or sentences, etc.

How do I know which one to use?

Does it have to be congruent with HOW the students have been practicing the vocabulary inside and/or outside of the classroom? For example, if I had the students label pictures in Spanish for our single in-class activity to reinforce the vocabulary terms, does that mean my vocab. quiz has to have the same pictures and/or same format?

Harry Wong states that we as teachers need to assess the students in the same manner as we practice the material during class work. Personally, I see validity in that point of his. It definitely throws people off when they have been practicing the material one way and you test them another way, although it's still the same material. In the students' minds, they were expecting the same format as before. Sometimes, the students kind of freeze up mentally or resist because it's something different from what they are used to doing. On the other hand, theoretically, we as teachers want our students to be able to apply the vocabulary in whatever format because students need to learn to apply their language skills in multiple formats. They shouldn't just get to one way. What are your thoughts on this? Should I be making sure my assessments match up the same format as our practice work, even taking problems from the practice work for the assessment?

Also, in one far back region of my brain, I feel guilty for not assessment students more in a more real-life, verbal or physical modality over the vocabulary. It's usually the written modality because it's easiest to manage, grade, and control as a teacher. Also, it's more of the "academic" modality used in college, etc. Should I worry about this? With 33-34 in some classes of high school freshmen taking Spanish I for the first time, I worry about how manageable this test modality would be given these circumstances. (Oral testing does take a long time and can be more subjective on the part of the evaluator.)

 

Daniel Hanson

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Modesto, California, USA


#3244 From: "Daniel Hanson" <danhan22@...>
Date: Sat Dec 19, 2009 7:49 am
Subject: Techniques students can use on their own to reinforce vocab.?
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Once I have established meaning of the list of vocabulary terms for a particular topic or subtopic, what strategies can I teach or give to my students so they can be more responsible for their own learning? (Of course, I will do reinforcement activities in class with the book materials, but I want something to give them to use and apply with any vocabulary they learn in the formal, academic setting of a foreign language class.)

Right now I can think of:

-          mnemonics

-          draw and label pictures that represent the vocab. in the student's mind

-          play charades / act out the vocab.

-           use flashcards (and there are different ways to make the flashcards: one side has the expression and the other side has the English equivalent; one side has the word and the other side has a picture or a sentence with the word in context; one side has the word  and on another card there is a picture to illustrate the word, etc.) (I need to be better about having my students use flashcards in the classroom and having them use them in different ways)

-          study vocab. lists

-          make a word poem (the word is written down and each letter starts each clue phrase or sentence that ties back into the meaning of the word; for Spanish I this is done in English, the clues that is)

That's all I can think of right now.

I feel I need to start teaching strategies that students can use outside of the classroom instead of taking a less-active role in their learning (i.e., just sit in class and do class work and except to do well on the quizzes and tests). (Although the idea of having to check for some type of tangeable, i.e., measurable, evidence that they have used every strategy at least once during the semester or school year doesn't seem very appealing to me either.)

Daniel Hanson

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Modesto, California, USA


#3243 From: "Daniel Hanson" <danhan22@...>
Date: Sat Dec 19, 2009 7:28 am
Subject: Concerns about using visuals to establish meaning
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Concerns about establishing meaning in the academic setting

Okay, here's my second post of concerns I have when I want to establish meaning for a list of vocabulary terms for a vocab. theme/topic/section/subsection:

 

1.       Should I be so worried about using visuals, especially illustrations/pictures, in my classroom?

I think some of my problem is I don't want to spend time copying, cutting, pasting vocab. pictures from the textbook, workbook, and ancillary materials to create vocab. flashcards for the students, nor do I want to hunt down the perfect images in clipart or online either. The last year or two I have done this during the 2nd semester of Spanish I, putting 20 or so pictures of vocabulary relating to one or two vocab. topics or subtopics for a particular unit of study (in other words, chapter). The first time I would provide the students with their own copy of the handout. They would label the illustrations (usually all from the textbook materials) in Spanish. Then in a day or two later, I would give them the same handout again, but count it as a vocab. quiz (sometimes I gave them word banks). I don't think I am applying very well the use of visuals to enhance vocab. development  with this routine. The kids seem to like doing the worksheets because they are very, VERY basic. The problem with this is I have limited money to make copies, even less this year than before. So, doing this doesn't seem an option unless you're working at a school with unlimited copying or something. I sometimes question how effective this routine is in terms of "truly" acquiring the vocab. It seems to me that the same brainpower required to memorize lists of vocabulary with the English translation on the side (like what we find in the textbook) (and what lots of teachers in other disciplines use when introducing or working with terms) is being used because students have to memorize what the picture represents. For instance, I present a picture of a car on the highway (black-and-white illustration) to my Spanish I class (of about 33-34 students). Some students might think, "Oh, that's a car!" (which is what *I* want them to think); others might think, "Oh, I know what that is. That's a highway!", while even others might think, "Oh, I know what that is. That's the verb for `driving,' because that man in the car looks like he's driving, huh?". Won't I have to use verbal clues (and these verbal clues would have to be in the L1, or possibly in the L2—but since I teach Spanish I, there isn't much the students will comprehend, will there?) to help concretize what *I* want them to see in the picture in order to establish the meaning? This, to me, makes using illustrations, etc., not as concrete as using vocab. lists with English translations. Word lists with English equivalents are a routine that's more ideal for concrete and slower learners, right? I don't know. I could be wrong. I'm just throwing my thoughts out there so I can see if I'm on the right track or not.

Okay. Another thing I am worried about is: Can you overuse the principle of visuals in the classroom?

One of my colleagues really likes to have her students draw to help them remember words and their meanings in Spanish. She has the students go over the vocabulary section at the end of the chapter or from the previous chapters and write down words they don't know or can't remember. Then she has them draw pictures next to them to represent that word, something that will create a mental image for them to remember the word and its meaning in their own minds. She also sometimes has the students do "word-grams"— I think that's what they're called. It's an activity where the students take a piece of paper and create an image or representation of the word's meaning by how they draw the letters of the word. For example: For the word "circle," they would write the letters of the word "circle" to form a circle shape. For the word "wood," they would [please excuse the cacophony] take a piece of paper and make the letters of the word look like they were covered in bark or something like that to symbolize "wood" in their minds. For students who claim to know all the words in the vocab. section, she would tell them to create sentences with the words in context if they really know them that well. Another activity she does with vocabulary is have the students fold their paper into 4 sections. In the first section the students put the vocab. word. The second section is a definition in Spanish (she teaches only Spanish II classes when possible) or the part of speech if need be since their vocab. in Spanish isn't developed enough to make their own definitions in Spanish. The third section is the sample sentence with the vocab. word in context. The fourth section is where their drawing, usually stick figures ones since there isn't a lot of space in the boxes. What's neat about this activity is you can fold the paper different ways to cover up certain information. For example, you can cover it up so just the picture is showing and the students have to recall the word based off of the picture.

Sometimes I wonder if we as teachers get into doing so much drawing, crafts, and projects that we lose valuable learning time because the students are so focused and spend so much time on creating the products than on actually learning the words. I am probably thinking this because I am very analytical and concrete-orientated. I was never big into doing projects, posters, etc., as a student.

Daniel Hanson

High School Spanish Instructor/Teacher

Modesto, California, USA


#3242 From: "Daniel Hanson" <danhan22@...>
Date: Sat Dec 19, 2009 7:02 am
Subject: Concerns about how to establish meaning (Vocab.)
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Concerns about establishing meaning in the academic setting

Okay, here's my first post of concerns I have when I want to establish meaning for a list of vocabulary terms for a vocab. theme/topic/section/subsection:

1.       What are all the possibilities for establishing meaning in the academic setting?

 

[FYI:  I teach high school students in a public high school (with limited financial resources), ages  13 – 15 roughly, Spanish I on a traditional high school schedule.]

Here's a list of activities I can think of right now:

-          Use of visuals, such as black-and-white illustrations, images off the computer or off of the Internet, books, realia, etc. (which would need to be backed up with verbal prompting to get everyone what idea you are really trying to express with the new words and you would have some type of visual representation of the word in writing so they can see what the word is in written form)

-          Listing the vocab. and having the students write English translations on the side of each expression

-          Show or read sentences with the words "in context" and guide the students through to see if they can deduce their meaning effectively (what *you* the teacher want them to see)

-          Going alone with the previous technique, tell a story or a situation, using the vocab. words, and highlight those words while talking, trying to get the students to draw meaning from the context of the conversation

Now my mind is drawing a blank on what else I can do.

 

Daniel Hanson

High School Spanish Instructor/Teacher

Modesto, California, USA


#3241 From: "Daniel Hanson" <danhan22@...>
Date: Sat Dec 19, 2009 6:00 am
Subject: What are the step processes for learning/teaching vocab.?
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What are the step processes in learning/teaching with regards to vocabulary development in the academic setting?

Recently, I started rereading [although sporadically— haven't gotten very far] the book, Principles of Language Learning and Teaching, by H. Douglas Brown. I have been pondering in the back of my head the last day or so about the basic theory movements relating to language acquisition and how I might be able to apply them to my situation as a high school Spanish teacher, who teaches mostly Spanish I students, which students are generally 13-15 years of age. Anyway, my mind starts to wander a lot at the end of term, and I realized I don't have a good grasp of how vocabulary development should work in the academic setting. I think I came to this conclusion when I posted about how to teach all the grammar concepts and vocabulary themes in just 2-3 weeks time. While my brain was wandering, I came up with this schema:

1.       Establish meaning

2.       Reinforcement/Practice (goes from simple to more complex)

3.       Application in real-life situations

I came up with this process from my limited experience, my intuition, and maybe some from what I've read. What are your thoughts on this?

[I have concerns/questions about each of these stages of vocabulary development that I would like to discuss, but I'm afraid that might be too much to handle in one single post. So, I might break those concerns up into three different posts.]

If I've already asked these questions before, please let me know. Sometimes my thinking is very cyclic and I forget I've already talked or asked about stuff (especially right now when I'm scatterbrained at this time of year).

 

Thanks,

Daniel Hanson

High School Spanish Instructor/Teacher

Modesto, California, USA


#3240 From: "Kelly Hammond" <kellhammond@...>
Date: Fri Dec 18, 2009 4:38 am
Subject: Re: [MaestrosdeEspanol] discouraged
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I too am a first year teacher teaching with avancemos. I would suggest trying some off the online book activities. Its all at classzone.com then go to @hometutor. Its good grammar practice and the students really enjoy it. 
Kelly


Delia wrote:

 

This is very true.  I do not know if your students have access to the internet, but if they do I like to show my students how to find extra activities at studyspanish.com 
Go to grammar section and see if there is anything similar to what you are working on  I do know they have the reflexives lesson.
Some of my students love to go there to practice a bit more.
Good luck.


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Sent: Thu, December 17, 2009 7:31:19 PM
Subject: Re: [MaestrosdeEspanol] discouraged

 

:)

Welcome to teaching!

I like how you think about assessing different grammar topics separately at first.  A quiz over each topic would be better for them (and for you!).  Hey, look at it like this, you've learned from this experience and you will be a better teacher for it in the future.  We've all been there.

Then, it can somehow come together on the unit/chapter test.

As far as salvaging anything before break goes, I think you're going to have to somehow drill it into their heads before they break and make it somewhat as engaged as possible for your students so that they have a better understanding of it before break.  I'd suggest a writing assignment over break but you really don't want to do that if they do not have a working foundation of it because otherwise they're only going to be more confused - and you want homework to be a reinforcing tool.

At any rate, finish as strong as you can, come up with something over break, and hit it hard and direct when you return from break.

Best.
:)




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Sent: Thu, December 17, 2009 9:07:17 PM
Subject: [MaestrosdeEspanol] discouraged

 

This is my first year teaching and I just finished teaching chapter 2-2 of Avancemos Level II to my second year students, which introduced reflexive verbs, pensar + infinitive, and the present progressive.  I just gave the students the first of the two grammar quizzes and they are totally bombing it in spite of the fact that I even gave one last review just before I handed out the quiz.  Most of the students are completely mixing up the reflexive with the pensar + infinitive and the present progressive.  To them it all seems like one big mess.  They can't separate them in their minds.  If I had to do it over again, I would quiz on the reflexive, then quiz on the pensar + infinitive, then quiz on the present progressive.  But it's too late.  They have been exposed to all three and it doesn't make sense to them.  Added to that we had two snow days plus an unplanned early out (so effectively the afternoon classes had three snow days), then a late start the following week.  The students complained that I didn't give them enough time on everything, but then a minute later they were all yapping while I was trying to teach.  I stopped the class and read them the riot act.  I told them I couldn't teach a thing when they are talking and don't they DARE try to blame me for their bad grades when they won't even listen to what I am trying to say.  How do I salvage this situation just before the vacation?  They have final exams the second week after they come back.

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#3239 From: Diane Brooks <rollingads@...>
Date: Fri Dec 18, 2009 3:32 am
Subject: Re: [MaestrosdeEspanol] discouraged
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Wow, I feel for you.  Our exams start tomorrow and go through next Tuesday.

Is it time for group teach?  Divide the class into three sections.  Give each section/group a separate topic (one gets reflexive, one gets pensar, one gets pp).  Each group is responsible for relearning their topic, preparing a poster that teaches it and makes up a worksheet.  They then, upon return from break, present their topics during a class period, hand out the homework, grade it.  This acts as review for the others, but can really impact the entire class.  It places the burden on the kids rather than you.  You are there to guide, offer support via suggestions on where to find info (501 verbs, internet, text book/resources, etc.) but they are to do the work.  They can do a run-through with you before doing it for the class to make sure they "get it" and can be "effective."

Assign each kid a job so all have to participate.  Just an idea.  Diane

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Subject: [MaestrosdeEspanol] discouraged
To: "FLTeach" <flteach@...>, "Maestro de Español" <maestrosdeespanol@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Thursday, December 17, 2009, 9:07 PM

 

This is my first year teaching and I just finished teaching chapter 2-2 of Avancemos Level II to my second year students, which introduced reflexive verbs, pensar + infinitive, and the present progressive.  I just gave the students the first of the two grammar quizzes and they are totally bombing it in spite of the fact that I even gave one last review just before I handed out the quiz.  Most of the students are completely mixing up the reflexive with the pensar + infinitive and the present progressive.  To them it all seems like one big mess.  They can't separate them in their minds.  If I had to do it over again, I would quiz on the reflexive, then quiz on the pensar + infinitive, then quiz on the present progressive.  But it's too late.  They have been exposed to all three and it doesn't make sense to them.  Added to that we had two snow days plus an unplanned early out (so effectively the afternoon classes had three snow days), then a late start the following week.  The students complained that I didn't give them enough time on everything, but then a minute later they were all yapping while I was trying to teach.  I stopped the class and read them the riot act.  I told them I couldn't teach a thing when they are talking and don't they DARE try to blame me for their bad grades when they won't even listen to what I am trying to say.  How do I salvage this situation just before the vacation?  They have final exams the second week after they come back.

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#3238 From: Diane Brooks <rollingads@...>
Date: Fri Dec 18, 2009 11:08 am
Subject: Re: [MaestrosdeEspanol] Re: discouraged (My words of encouragement / Rant)
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Here!  Here!  Great post, Daniel!  In the same sentence of my professional review this week, I get told how great I am at holding students responsible, that my barr should never be lowered, etc.; but that I need more patience and understanding with 8th graders (who were written up for excessive tardies, electronics out in class and rudeness) and patience for kids who seem to be apathetic.  Um, excuse me, where in my contract does it state that apathy comes before instruction?  We lover the barr, we're crawling on the floor with the serpents.  Diane


the administrative detention back into play. Where's the kid's
responsibility in all of this? Giving them more tries isn't going to
solve the problem. Anyway, sorry for the rant.]

Daniel Hanson

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Modesto, California, USA


#3237 From: marie blair <maria433@...>
Date: Fri Dec 18, 2009 5:44 am
Subject: Re: [MaestrosdeEspanol] discouraged
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Charlotte,
This is so very common, especially with Reflexive Verbs, and then to mix it with the Present Progressive, it's fatal!  I don't know what your homework policy is, but is there some way that you could prepare an activity where the students would actively use the reflexive verbs over vacation?  For example keep a diary of their daily schedule, or somehow do a graphic organizer with pictures of personal items and they would have to give every word they could that is associated with that item, for example:  el champú:  el pelo, me lavo el pelo, en la ducha
or................ perhaps they could come up with a "comic strip" story about their day from the time they wake up, until the time they go to sleep.  or...... What about the "life" of their favorite actor, or singer or athlete? or........... are there any You Tube Videos that they could watch?

This would ensure that they at least worked with the vocab one or two days over vacation.

Don't be discouraged, these are tough concepts.  Don't let them get to you! It is certainly not your fault!

Marie


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Sent: Thu, December 17, 2009 9:52:04 PM
Subject: Re: [MaestrosdeEspanol] discouraged

 

This is very true.  I do not know if your students have access to the internet, but if they do I like to show my students how to find extra activities at studyspanish. com 
Go to grammar section and see if there is anything similar to what you are working on.  I do know they have the reflexives lesson.
Some of my students love to go there to practice a bit more.
Good luck.


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Sent: Thu, December 17, 2009 7:31:19 PM
Subject: Re: [MaestrosdeEspanol] discouraged

 

:)

Welcome to teaching!

I like how you think about assessing different grammar topics separately at first.  A quiz over each topic would be better for them (and for you!).  Hey, look at it like this, you've learned from this experience and you will be a better teacher for it in the future.  We've all been there.

Then, it can somehow come together on the unit/chapter test.

As far as salvaging anything before break goes, I think you're going to have to somehow drill it into their heads before they break and make it somewhat as engaged as possible for your students so that they have a better understanding of it before break.  I'd suggest a writing assignment over break but you really don't want to do that if they do not have a working foundation of it because otherwise they're only going to be more confused - and you want homework to be a reinforcing tool.

At any rate, finish as strong as you can, come up with something over break, and hit it hard and direct when you return from break.

Best.
:)




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Sent: Thu, December 17, 2009 9:07:17 PM
Subject: [MaestrosdeEspanol] discouraged

 

This is my first year teaching and I just finished teaching chapter 2-2 of Avancemos Level II to my second year students, which introduced reflexive verbs, pensar + infinitive, and the present progressive.  I just gave the students the first of the two grammar quizzes and they are totally bombing it in spite of the fact that I even gave one last review just before I handed out the quiz.  Most of the students are completely mixing up the reflexive with the pensar + infinitive and the present progressive.  To them it all seems like one big mess.  They can't separate them in their minds.  If I had to do it over again, I would quiz on the reflexive, then quiz on the pensar + infinitive, then quiz on the present progressive.  But it's too late.  They have been exposed to all three and it doesn't make sense to them.  Added to that we had two snow days plus an unplanned early out (so effectively the afternoon classes had three snow days), then a late start the following week.  The students complained that I didn't give them enough time on everything, but then a minute later they were all yapping while I was trying to teach.  I stopped the class and read them the riot act.  I told them I couldn't teach a thing when they are talking and don't they DARE try to blame me for their bad grades when they won't even listen to what I am trying to say.  How do I salvage this situation just before the vacation?  They have final exams the second week after they come back.

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#3236 From: kathy bausman <kathybausman@...>
Date: Fri Dec 18, 2009 1:45 pm
Subject: Re: [MaestrosdeEspanol] discouraged
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Don't get down on yourself- you are obviously a conscientious, hard working teacher who sincerely cares about her students! As you continue to teach, you will find that the way you introduced the grammar may have worked well for another class of students but for this group, maybe going slower or separating the various grammar points is necessary as you have discovered. Also, like Daniel, I say equal responsibility lies with the students.  Good for you calling it like it is when those students were not paying attention after complaining about not understanding!  The kids have to be accountable too, not just you as their teacher. And, to be fair, sometimes, no matter what you do, some students won't learn.  I would say that once you know the ability and work ethic of your students, you will be able to assess if lack of learning is lack of ability or lack of work ethic on their part and not take all the blame yourself.  You can only do so much and if you are confident you have done your best then you have to move on and not dwell on their lack of performance. Sometimes receiving low grades is a wake up call kids need. In this day of inflated grades, perhaps your students are used to doing nothing and still receiving decent grades in other classes. Just keep a good record or assignments, quizzes, etc so you have documentation of all you have done to help your students learn the material and what you have done to assess your students. As a first year teacher, you may be questioned by complaining parents or students and you can defend your teaching style this way. Also, your students may be adjusting to you if they have had a different Spanish teacher before you and it will take a little longer for them to realize you are serious and mean business. I don't think it is realistic to expect your students to do much over the break, especially the way you said they behaved in class. With that in mind, I would just try to re-teach and regroup once school resumes in January. Those are not hard grammar concepts to learn so your students,if they are concentrating and trying at all, should be able to master that before thery semester exam. Good luck and keep your head up. Teaching is the most frustrating but rewarding jobs on the planet!  Sometimes the example you lead in the classroom and how you conduct yourself and how you respond to situations is more important that what you are teaching!  You have already demonstrated you are a caring, diligent, hard working teacher with high standards and expectations for her students. That says a lot!
Kathy

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Subject: [MaestrosdeEspanol] discouraged
To: "FLTeach" <flteach@...>, "Maestro de Español" <maestrosdeespanol@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Thursday, December 17, 2009, 9:07 PM

 
This is my first year teaching and I just finished teaching chapter 2-2 of Avancemos Level II to my second year students, which introduced reflexive verbs, pensar + infinitive, and the present progressive.  I just gave the students the first of the two grammar quizzes and they are totally bombing it in spite of the fact that I even gave one last review just before I handed out the quiz.  Most of the students are completely mixing up the reflexive with the pensar + infinitive and the present progressive.  To them it all seems like one big mess.  They can't separate them in their minds.  If I had to do it over again, I would quiz on the reflexive, then quiz on the pensar + infinitive, then quiz on the present progressive.  But it's too late.  They have been exposed to all three and it doesn't make sense to them.  Added to that we had two snow days plus an unplanned early out (so effectively the afternoon classes had three snow days), then a late start the following week.  The students complained that I didn't give them enough time on everything, but then a minute later they were all yapping while I was trying to teach.  I stopped the class and read them the riot act.  I told them I couldn't teach a thing when they are talking and don't they DARE try to blame me for their bad grades when they won't even listen to what I am trying to say.  How do I salvage this situation just before the vacation?  They have final exams the second week after they come back.

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#3235 From: "Kelly" <k.ochoa@...>
Date: Fri Dec 18, 2009 1:55 pm
Subject: Re: discouraged
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Charlotte-
I have been not much more than a lurker here for quite a while. BY reading all
of your posts, I have to tell you that you are a very smart woman and I am sure
doing an exceptional job teaching these kids. I have been teaching middle school
Spanish 1 for 10 years now and would like to offer you a couple of words of
encouragement.

First of all, this is a very tough time of the year. Kids normally bomb second
term and then rebound in 3rd term. At least at my school this seems to be the
trend at both the high school.

Second, you did hit the nail on the head with the need to break down the
material into smaller chunks. I found that out my first year too. What seemed so
easy to me was just overwhelming to the students. Nothing says that you can not
go back and do it now. You mentioned that you have had a few snow days so does
that mean that the exams will be moved back a few days. Hopefully so!

Third, if you have access to computers (either while in school or if the
students have them at home), there are a couple of great websites to use for
practice. One is www.conjuguemos.com. I am using it with my middle school kids
to practice present tense. The best part is that if you enter your student's
names, they can actually take a quiz (or test) online and have the scores
reported to you. I always use it when teaching verbs. The other good website is
www.quia.com. It has a variety of activities made by other teachers. They are
listed by topic and textbook (I love this feature). Both websites ask for
contributions but it is not a requirement to use them. I have paid for a Quia
subscrition on my own because I use it so much. I plan to pay for conjugemos in
January because I use it a lot also.

Finally, I just want to tell you to hang in there. My first year of teaching was
rough. The kids knew that I was the new teacher and tried all kinds of stuff on
me. Now that I have been around a while I do not have the same problem. The
holiday break is coming and hopefully it will give you a chance to regroup and
rest. Then you can return in January all energized and ready to "preparalas para
los examenes". Feliz Navidad y Prospero Año Nuevo.

-Kelly Ochoa

P.S. My user name on both Quia and Conjuguemos is sraochoa. Please feel free to
use any of my activities if they will help



--- In maestrosdeespanol@yahoogroups.com, Charlotte H Meyer <cherokeecfg@...>
wrote:
>
>
> This is my first year teaching and I just finished teaching chapter 2-2 of
Avancemos Level II to my second year students, which introduced reflexive verbs,
pensar + infinitive, and the present progressive.  I just gave the students the
first of the two grammar quizzes and they are totally bombing it in spite of the
fact that I even gave one last review just before I handed out the quiz.  Most
of the students are completely mixing up the reflexive with the pensar +
infinitive and the present progressive.  To them it all seems like one big mess.
They can't separate them in their minds.  If I had to do it over again, I would
quiz on the reflexive, then quiz on the pensar + infinitive, then quiz on the
present progressive.  But it's too late.  They have been exposed to all three
and it doesn't make sense to them.  Added to that we had two snow days plus an
unplanned early out (so effectively the afternoon classes had three snow days),
then a late start the following week.  The students complained that I didn't
give them enough time on everything, but then a minute later they were all
yapping while I was trying to teach.  I stopped the class and read them the riot
act.  I told them I couldn't teach a thing when they are talking and don't they
DARE try to blame me for their bad grades when they won't even listen to what I
am trying to say.  How do I salvage this situation just before the vacation? 
They have final exams the second week after they come back.
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#3234 From: "Daniel Hanson" <danhan22@...>
Date: Fri Dec 18, 2009 6:03 am
Subject: Re: discouraged (My words of encouragement / Rant)
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--- In maestrosdeespanol@yahoogroups.com, Charlotte H Meyer
<cherokeecfg@...> wrote:
> This is my first year teaching and I just finished teaching chapter
2-2 of Avancemos Level II to my second year students, which introduced
reflexive verbs, pensar + infinitive, and the present progressive. I
just gave the students the first of the two grammar quizzes and they are
totally bombing it in spite of the fact that I even gave one last review
just before I handed out the quiz. Most of the students are completely
mixing up the reflexive with the pensar + infinitive and the present
progressive. To them it all seems like one big mess. They can't separate
them in their minds. If I had to do it over again, I would quiz on the
reflexive, then quiz on the pensar + infinitive, then quiz on the
present progressive. But it's too late. They have been exposed to all
three and it doesn't make sense to them. Added to that we had two snow
days plus an unplanned early out (so effectively the afternoon classes
had three snow days), then a late start the following week.

[Okay, Charlotte. You made a mistake. That's okay. We all make them.
It's what we decide to do with them that really counts. You drill them
individually like others have pointed out and assess the grammatical
concepts separately. Then at some later time, when they take the end of
unit assessment, you can put all of those together—again, like
others on here have so graciously mention.]

> The students complained that I didn't give them enough time on
everything, but then a minute later they were all yapping while I was
trying to teach. I stopped the class and read them the riot act. I told
them I couldn't teach a thing when they are talking and don't they DARE
try to blame me for their bad grades when they won't even listen to what
I am trying to say.

[Okay. Here's what I really want to address. I think we as teachers tend
to feel guilty because our students are learning and aren't taking the
needed responsibility for their learning. I would read them the roid act
as well. How dare they ask for your help and complain about the
concepts/quizzes, and then start talking when you try to help them even
further! This is a possible sign that they don't take you or the class
seriously. My first year teaching Spanish II, we do a month of review
because that is how our textbook is set up. Well, I could see the
students were not paying attention or taking the review seriously. So, I
gave them the chapter test the next day and then move onto the regular
chapters. They didn't score too well, but they learned to pay more
attention when going over stuff. I feel strongly about making students
aware and responsible for their own learning. Lots of students want to
place everything on the teacher. If they don't do the homework or the
classwork, they count on the system or the teacher to accept late work
or pass them or do have some future extra credit assignment. They except
mommy and daddy to fix it for them. They figure the teacher will reteach
the material until they get it. I believe we as teachers should try to
meet the diverse learning needs in our classrooms. HOWEVER, at the same
time, we can't be everyone to everybody. We need our insanity outside of
the workplace. Students, especially at the high school level, need a
wake-up call about their learning. People are going to sit around a
pamper to them. Some students will be going off to college where they
will not be getting such treatment, nor in the workplace. They need to
have initiative, etc. Those are important qualities. I found out
recently that at my school they re-instated the Wednesday administrative
hour detention in the cafeterias after we were told last year we weren't
going to do that because of lack of funds, etc. Well, it got re-instated
because some students wouldn't serve their teacher detention, then they
would get assigned Saturday School, wouldn't attend Saturday School and
then would get suspended and wouldn't care. Thus, they would be up for
expulsion after reaching the 10 day limit for suspensions. So, they put
the administrative detention back into play. Where's the kid's
responsibility in all of this? Giving them more tries isn't going to
solve the problem. Anyway, sorry for the rant.]



Daniel Hanson

High School Spanish Instructor/Teacher

Modesto, California, USA

#3233 From: EStolb7395@...
Date: Thu Dec 17, 2009 11:35 pm
Subject: Re: [MaestrosdeEspanol] discouraged
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Don't worry about this---It is normal.  You will see what works and can change the pacing the next time you teach the topic.  Now you know you want to teach them separately.  You still have time to review the topics separately before vacation.  Break the information down very simply. Make up a worksheet. Write the rules for the topic on top of the paper and then have them fill in examples.  Then do a short activity.  Then go on to the next topic.
 
If you think this will help, and you have any questions, feel free to contact me.
 
 
In a message dated 12/17/2009 10:08:45 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, cherokeecfg@... writes:
 

This is my first year teaching and I just finished teaching chapter 2-2 of Avancemos Level II to my second year students, which introduced reflexive verbs, pensar + infinitive, and the present progressive.  I just gave the students the first of the two grammar quizzes and they are totally bombing it in spite of the fact that I even gave one last review just before I handed out the quiz.  Most of the students are completely mixing up the reflexive with the pensar + infinitive and the present progressive.  To them it all seems like one big mess.  They can't separate them in their minds.  If I had to do it over again, I would quiz on the reflexive, then quiz on the pensar + infinitive, then quiz on the present progressive.  But it's too late.  They have been exposed to all three and it doesn't make sense to them.  Added to that we had two snow days plus an unplanned early out (so effectively the afternoon classes had three snow days), then a late start the following week.  The students complained that I didn't give them enough time on everything, but then a minute later they were all yapping while I was trying to teach.  I stopped the class and read them the riot act.  I told them I couldn't teach a thing when they are talking and don't they DARE try to blame me for their bad grades when they won't even listen to what I am trying to say.  How do I salvage this situation just before the vacation?  They have final exams the second week after they come back.

Charlotte Meyer
Spanish Teacher
Japanese tutor





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#3232 From: Delia <maestrarsp@...>
Date: Fri Dec 18, 2009 3:52 am
Subject: Re: [MaestrosdeEspanol] discouraged
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This is very true.  I do not know if your students have access to the internet, but if they do I like to show my students how to find extra activities at studyspanish.com 
Go to grammar section and see if there is anything similar to what you are working on.  I do know they have the reflexives lesson.
Some of my students love to go there to practice a bit more.
Good luck.


From: CB <mrcosb96@...>
To: maestrosdeespanol@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, December 17, 2009 7:31:19 PM
Subject: Re: [MaestrosdeEspanol] discouraged

 

:)

Welcome to teaching!

I like how you think about assessing different grammar topics separately at first.  A quiz over each topic would be better for them (and for you!).  Hey, look at it like this, you've learned from this experience and you will be a better teacher for it in the future.  We've all been there.

Then, it can somehow come together on the unit/chapter test.

As far as salvaging anything before break goes, I think you're going to have to somehow drill it into their heads before they break and make it somewhat as engaged as possible for your students so that they have a better understanding of it before break.  I'd suggest a writing assignment over break but you really don't want to do that if they do not have a working foundation of it because otherwise they're only going to be more confused - and you want homework to be a reinforcing tool.

At any rate, finish as strong as you can, come up with something over break, and hit it hard and direct when you return from break.

Best.
:)




From: Charlotte H Meyer <cherokeecfg@ hotmail.com>
To: FLTeach <flteach@listserv. buffalo.edu>; Maestro de Español <maestrosdeespanol@ yahoogroups. com>
Sent: Thu, December 17, 2009 9:07:17 PM
Subject: [MaestrosdeEspanol] discouraged

 

This is my first year teaching and I just finished teaching chapter 2-2 of Avancemos Level II to my second year students, which introduced reflexive verbs, pensar + infinitive, and the present progressive.  I just gave the students the first of the two grammar quizzes and they are totally bombing it in spite of the fact that I even gave one last review just before I handed out the quiz.  Most of the students are completely mixing up the reflexive with the pensar + infinitive and the present progressive.  To them it all seems like one big mess.  They can't separate them in their minds.  If I had to do it over again, I would quiz on the reflexive, then quiz on the pensar + infinitive, then quiz on the present progressive.  But it's too late.  They have been exposed to all three and it doesn't make sense to them.  Added to that we had two snow days plus an unplanned early out (so effectively the afternoon classes had three snow days), then a late start the following week.  The students complained that I didn't give them enough time on everything, but then a minute later they were all yapping while I was trying to teach.  I stopped the class and read them the riot act.  I told them I couldn't teach a thing when they are talking and don't they DARE try to blame me for their bad grades when they won't even listen to what I am trying to say.  How do I salvage this situation just before the vacation?  They have final exams the second week after they come back.

Charlotte Meyer
Spanish Teacher
Japanese tutor





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#3231 From: CB <mrcosb96@...>
Date: Fri Dec 18, 2009 3:31 am
Subject: Re: [MaestrosdeEspanol] discouraged
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:)

Welcome to teaching!

I like how you think about assessing different grammar topics separately at first.  A quiz over each topic would be better for them (and for you!).  Hey, look at it like this, you've learned from this experience and you will be a better teacher for it in the future.  We've all been there.

Then, it can somehow come together on the unit/chapter test.

As far as salvaging anything before break goes, I think you're going to have to somehow drill it into their heads before they break and make it somewhat as engaged as possible for your students so that they have a better understanding of it before break.  I'd suggest a writing assignment over break but you really don't want to do that if they do not have a working foundation of it because otherwise they're only going to be more confused - and you want homework to be a reinforcing tool.

At any rate, finish as strong as you can, come up with something over break, and hit it hard and direct when you return from break.

Best.
:)




From: Charlotte H Meyer <cherokeecfg@...>
To: FLTeach <flteach@...>; Maestro de Español <maestrosdeespanol@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thu, December 17, 2009 9:07:17 PM
Subject: [MaestrosdeEspanol] discouraged

 

This is my first year teaching and I just finished teaching chapter 2-2 of Avancemos Level II to my second year students, which introduced reflexive verbs, pensar + infinitive, and the present progressive.  I just gave the students the first of the two grammar quizzes and they are totally bombing it in spite of the fact that I even gave one last review just before I handed out the quiz.  Most of the students are completely mixing up the reflexive with the pensar + infinitive and the present progressive.  To them it all seems like one big mess.  They can't separate them in their minds.  If I had to do it over again, I would quiz on the reflexive, then quiz on the pensar + infinitive, then quiz on the present progressive.  But it's too late.  They have been exposed to all three and it doesn't make sense to them.  Added to that we had two snow days plus an unplanned early out (so effectively the afternoon classes had three snow days), then a late start the following week.  The students complained that I didn't give them enough time on everything, but then a minute later they were all yapping while I was trying to teach.  I stopped the class and read them the riot act.  I told them I couldn't teach a thing when they are talking and don't they DARE try to blame me for their bad grades when they won't even listen to what I am trying to say.  How do I salvage this situation just before the vacation?  They have final exams the second week after they come back.

Charlotte Meyer
Spanish Teacher
Japanese tutor





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