Hi Ron, if you want to investigate more in astral projection in relation
with self knowledge see the site www.mysticweb.org , there are free courses.

All the best,

Ilias

Ron wrote:
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> */I hope I can make coherent./*
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> */I have been trying to observe myself through the process of being
> awake into the dreams state. It has been 30-40 years ago when I could. I
> must not have the dedication that I did then. I seem to get started and
> then dreamland, no process. When I could do it I would noticed hear ing
> was the first to go. That was esay to notice, I lived above a freeway in
> Seattle downtown./*
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> */I found guided imagery most helpful in the beginning. I like to
> observe, I would observe what went on during a guided imagery period. I
> soon found myself not following the presentor and go on my own after
> getting started (I call this The Launching Pad). Some of the
> experiences were spectacular. I found people tryied to interpret my
> experiences and found they didn't fit my experiences. I have later
> learned that by observing the detail in the experience the meanings of
> are in the experience. They are complete./*
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> */Probably, the next important step was working at a place that had
> three elevators. I set a task of determining which elevator would open
> first. It did take long until I noticed the feelings being different
> between when I was incorrect and when I was correct. Instead of dwelling
> on the idea that I was wrong, I became more involved with the feelings
> that I had when I was correct. I eventually, was able to prediction with
> 100% certainity which elevator would open. I stopped doing that when I
> started hearing the people's voices and thoguhts in the elevator while
> it was moving. The voices were different than their thoughts in
> charatertics and content./*
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> */I learned another exercise by watch my granddaughter and her friend.
> They were flipping a coin and "guessing" when it would be heads or
> tails. My granddaughter be came frustrated because she was not correct
> most of the time her friend was all the time. Her friend trying to
> reduce the frustration by telling my granddaughter to use her
> imagination. I have used this exercise on others. I found one that did
> it every time but one. I asked her what was different. She replied,
> that she thought she couldn't be correct everytime./*
> *//*
> */Another point that may be helpful. I was meditating one day and was
> aware that two subjects was presenting themselves. However, I hadn't
> noticed that my attention was switching from one to the other. I kept
> the experience in mind and would re-play it. I kept that up until I
> observed my switching from one to the other. After that, both subjects
> became clear. I have found by re-playing my dreams this way and, if I
> oberved enough detail, the meaning of the dream would explain itself.
> Sometimes, while re-playhing a the dream more detail would present
> itself to make the dream clear./*
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> */I guess, the reason I haven't pursued these experiences so intently is
> that I now know that I am being "protected" and to just live and except
> the other persons where they are. After all they have their own
> experiences to live through./*
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> */If there is message in this, it is to live and pay attention to that
> (not those) feeling that works everytime./*
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> */I had an all night experience when I was about 16 that presented my
> whole life while on earth through death. Every detail literal or
> symbolic has occured except the period before death. From this
> experience, though we leave our body, we do not die but, go on. I also
> noticed that it didn't mater as to what one had or had not done, we are
> all equal./*
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> Ron/*
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> */My last posting 4-12-04
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