Read this too. A lot of the fears of abrupt climate change, whether
generated by Hollywood or some other source, are greatly inflated. We
have some time to understand all this and make appropriate changes.
Panic is never advised.

http://www.whoi.edu/institutes/occi/currenttopics/abruptclimate_dayafter.html

Teresa
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Yes, we have some time to understand all this ... years at least.
How long will it take us to implement a plan after we finally see the
various limit to growth? Climate change is only one expression of
our folly.

History might have informed us about the
need for expansion being driven by local overpopulation relative to
current
capacity. Local or global our failure to face the limits to growth can no
longer be
explained by ignorance, because the issue is exposed daily.

Panic is probally worse than denial, but denial will prove deadly all
by itself.

In Los Angeles the public tv station has the slogan, "Infinitely more."
In Dallas the public tv station has the slogan, "Television unlimited."
If we weren't in denial about the ugly truth it wouldn't be so bad.

For a spiritual answer to stopping hyper-consumption see...
http://home.earthlink.net/~durable
This can reform capitalism to allow sustainability.

The survivalist response is important, but it should not stop efforts to
reform the beast. When the system can't deliver adequate goods and
services those few who are survivalists will not be able to defend
themselves
from the starving hoards.

Barry


----- Original Message -----
To: seerseeker@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [seerseeker] Re: crafting survival

What you are about to read is going to change your world forever, this
I can promise you. I actually apologize that I have to be the one who
brings this unsettling news, but you must know if you wish to survive,
for what is coming will either be DRY and heat or ICE and freezing.

Global warming has been in the news for over 40 years, and by this
time we have become complacent. Our scientists have come to the
agreement that global warming will eventually cause major changes and
problems in the world, but in their way of thinking it will be 50 to
100 years before we will actually have to deal with the effects.

The general idea is that global warming will be slow and the world
will find time to discover the solutions to the problems.

New powerful evidence strongly suggests that this scenario is simply
wrong, and we had better prepare for another more abrupt possibility.

http://www.spiritofmaat.com/announce/ann_dryice.htm


--- In seerseeker@yahoogroups.com, "Jade and Luthien" <aeonarc@y...>
wrote:
> Global climate shift is not conjecture. It is a fact beginning to
> unfold. The particulars are easily discovered through Internet new
> services by anybody who cares to research the details. The
> accompanying "wild weather" is also a very real thing, something to
> certainly prepare for. How does one prepare for global climate
shift?
> One might first understand why it is happening.
>
> The currently unfolding climate shift is, in main, a product of
> industrial civilization. We have been adversely altering the
chemical
> composition of the air and water, depleting and poisoning the soil,
> and decimating the natural flora and fauna in our rush to modernize
> the environment to suit our demanding lifestyles. The data upholds
> this perspective. If the projections are anywhere correct, we better
> begin preparing for the worse right now. The worse could be as
bad as
> you can imagine. Prepare for that.
>
> You may ask, "What can I do with so few resources at my
disposal?" By
> yourself, probably not much. If you are like most people, you are
> living paycheck to paycheck to keep the financial wolves at bay
and a
> roof over your head. I know few people living better than this and
> quite a few who are worse off. But, most people, if they really try,
> could come up with a few extra dollars per week. That money could be
> pooled for mutual aid and support. Hook up with a cooperatively
owned
> and operated survival sanctuary project such as Ancient Exchanges Of
> Nature's Andor Projex. Start helping by purchasing a membership and
> participating in the planning. I bet you have a talent which
could be
> useful to the whole. Who knows, you could be the missing puzzle
piece.
>
> When thinking of surviving, even thriving, through an extended
period
> of global climate shift, one should carefully consider the
location at
> which one plans on making their stand. It should be away from a
> seacoast and the potential of catastrophic flooding. Avoid
building in
> valleys where the water can rise during major rainfalls. Stay away
> from habitually dry regions which are subject to extended
drought and
> forest fires. Avoid urban industrial centers and their prohibitive
> zoning ordinances, pollution, and huge grid-connected populations.
> They can become savage when the lights go out and the food
supply runs
> low. Go where the land is relatively undeveloped, the climate
> moderate, and the people are somewhat sensible and still
remember what
> it was like to live closer to nature. Come to Indiana. Ask me
and I'll
> tell you why I think this is the place to be.
>
> http://groups.ayhoo.com/group/andorprojex/ - all age
> think tank - discussion on the topic of building ecoarks
> establishing sustainable communities - good information
> on self-sufficient living, alternative energy systems,
> permaculture, closed ecology systems, 100% waste
> recycling, and more - read the message archives -
> introduce yourself! - let's create a network of
> sanctuaries and ecology arks!

--------------- Solution? --------------------------

"We may have more time than we thought to put policies in place," he
says. "But this argues for us really getting on top of the factors
that we can control." -From the Nature article

Here is additional solution, not so much spiritual, but political and
economic models of cooperation.

http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1942/gaia.html

and here is a site with a future model to build on. Add your own
ideas of what a future society should look like:
http://www.our-turn.com/ourturn/?URL=ViewForum&IdArticle=641