I can understand why conecting a canary and a 500degree frying pan would
kill the canary but I think the 500 degrees is overkill, just hitting it
with the pan should work.  Never mind I probably need to go to sleep now.

Paul

Jared wrote:

>--
>    I recently learned, the teflon coating (in your frying pan), when
>over heated (500degrees), gives off enough toxic fumes to kill a
>canary on contact,
>

>>  or that bronze plus concrete equals an
>> explosion on par with a fragmentation grenade,
>
>Mind shedding a little more light on that one?

It's pretty much been explained, but....

Concrete is hydrated lime.  The "waters of hydration" are held in place
relatively weakly (But taken as a whole, there is a mess of binding
going on.)  When you dump molten bronze onto concrete (or anything else
that's really hot) these waters of hydration let go and turn into
steam.  Steam has 1200 times the volume of liquid water (ignoring
temperature changes - that might contribute another 4 or 5 fold
increase).  While that is happening the bronze, at least the part that
dumped all it's heat into the concrete to make that steam, is
solidifying, so that it can withstand more pressure before it lets go.
Then it lets go....

Pour bronze over dry sand.  A few inches of dry sand over concrete is
probably enough for the volumes that most of us are likely to deal
with.

Now let me tell you about my dad's industrial accident!  Picture a
bucket of molten iron.  This particular bucket held maybe 40 tons of
iron.  Now, imagine the handle (well, one of the lugs the crane hooks
onto) breaking and that bucket getting dumped into concrete lined hole
in the ground.  Amazingly, no one was killed - most of the blast went
up.  But there were plenty of burns to go around.

My dad had been a ways back and, so, helped them load the obviously
injured into an ambulance.  He knew he had some injuries, but didn't
think he was that bad off.  Then he went to wash himself off with some
cold water.  Then his hair fell off.  Pretty much in one piece as he
tells it.

Later the adrenaline wore off.

Another safety tip - wear natural fibers.  His only obvious scaring  is
a band around either wrist where the winter coat he was wearing met
skin.

Avery

My martini shaker isn't that big.  Can we use just 4 parts herald?

Albina, who thinks a dash of vermouth couldn't hurt.

--- In medievalsawdust@yahoogroups.com, "James Winkler"
<jrwinkler@...> wrote:
>
> Ok... "TV" voice...
>
> Take five parts court herald.  Add in one part begging male lover
and one part Pennsic merchant.  Add a dash of scolding parent and a
pinch of bard.  Shake well and serve slightly warmer than room
temperature.
>
> Chas.
>
> ====================================
>
>   What kind of voice is "TV"?
>
>   James Cunningham
>   Too Busy typing to listen to "TV"
>

Jared...

I have read this information as well, but you should know that the new electric
frying pans with Teflon do not have a setting any higher than 400 degrees (I
just bought one for my Dad about a week ago).  Now, I don't know if you can get
a frying pan up to 500 degrees on the stove, but at least the industry is aware
of the problem with the electric ones <grin>.

But, you are correct, it is always wise to know about potential problems so that
said problems can be avoided (hopefully).

Meisterin Katarina Helene von Schoenborn, OL
(from sunny California for another 9 days)


  -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "Jared" <tudweber_jr@...>

On Thu, June 1, 2006 12:00, James Winkler said:
> Paul... you devil you...  I hadn't heard that one before...
>
> WARNING LABEL: HUMOR MODE ON...  (if your personal humor mode switch is
> malfunctioning please click to the next e-mail.  This is your OSHA
> approved... or would be if they knew about it, warning...)

{SNIP}

> Wonder what the MSDS list shows for the toxicology of pine sawdust???

Since you asked:
http://www.pinesolutions.com.au/products/MSDS/downloads/sawdust_nontreated.pdf

Haraldr

--
Dave Calafrancesco

... They got the library at Alexandria, they aren't getting mine!

>>  Still, not bad when accompanied by cheese though...

I thought cheese was a given....

Albina

PS thanks for the laughs on this one.  My coworkers think I am even
weirder now! Woohoo!

--- In medievalsawdust@yahoogroups.com, "James Winkler"
<jrwinkler@...> wrote:
>
> Darn... I was feelin' good about pine...  up to the point where it
said that swallowing large quantities of sawdust may cause abdominal
pains...  (is 3 board feet of sawdust considered 'a large quantity'...
there are times I think I've eaten that much....) and that:
>
> "The finding may also be confined to certain hypersensitive (atopic)
individuals who show heightened reactions to other allergens such as
pollen. [...]

ahHA! I wondered why I'd come home from woodworking class with a sinus
headache and swollen hands... It sure felt like an alergy, but I told
myself, nah, couldn't be... it's only pine!!

Gillian [who does much better with a filer mask and goggles] Durham

isn't 500 degrees a little hot for frying a
canary? What is the smoke point of the oil you
using? You'd probably get a small burnt tasting
crunchy charcoal bit at that temperature, not to
mention the smell of burning feathers....



Baron Conal O'hAirt / Jim Hart

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--- In medievalsawdust@yahoogroups.com, "msgilliandurham"
<msgilliandurham@...> wrote:
>
..
>
> ahHA! I wondered why I'd come home from woodworking class with a sinus
> headache and swollen hands... It sure felt like an alergy, but I told
> myself, nah, couldn't be... it's only pine!!
>
>

   There are reasons I own on of these
http://www.airwareamerica.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWCATS&Category=17

Ralg
AnTir

From: "Jared" tudweber_jr@...
>     I recently learned, the teflon coating (in your frying pan), when
>over heated (500degrees), gives off enough toxic fumes to kill a
>canary on contact [...]
>  While Im not throwing away my fry pans, it does seem surprising that
>this is an approved coating that everyone uses

   Common household hairspray will kill a canary, too.

   These things are 'approved' because a canary's reaction is -- rightly so
--
   not the only measuring stick involved.

   -Iain of Malagentia,
    who notes that a canary can drown in a tablespoon of water

  -Iain of Malagentia,
   who notes that a canary can drown in a tablespoon of water

You're right, but most times that 3 or 4 TBSP has to
be in the lungs. <G>

Mike of the Hill
living in the
Kingdom of Trimaris

--- David Stous <david.stous@...> wrote:

> I seem to remember from High School (granted, that
> was 2 decades ago) that it only takes 3 or 4 TBSP to
> drown a human!
> Dafydd of Verulanium
> Shire of Mountain Freehold
> East Kingdom
> mka
> ========
> David Stous
> Chief Maille Smith
> Wolf's Den Armoury
> www.wolfsdenarmoury.com
>     -Iain of Malagentia,
>      who notes that a canary can drown in a
> tablespoon of water


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----- Original Message -----
From: "Iain Odlin" <i_odlin@...>
To: <medievalsawdust@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, June 02, 2006 12:08 AM
Subject: [MedievalSawdust] RE: Danger Will Robinson....


> From: "Jared" tudweber_jr@...
>>     I recently learned, the teflon coating (in your frying pan), when
>>over heated (500degrees), gives off enough toxic fumes to kill a
>>canary on contact [...]
>>  While Im not throwing away my fry pans, it does seem surprising that
>>this is an approved coating that everyone uses
>
>  Common household hairspray will kill a canary, too.
>
>  These things are 'approved' because a canary's reaction is -- rightly so
> --
>  not the only measuring stick involved.

Not the only one, no, but a bird's respiratory system is considerable more
sensitive than a human's, and if something is harmful to them, it behooves
us to look into what it might be doing, more subtly, to us.

It is commonly accepted now that teflon pans are not a good thing to have in
a household where pet birds live.

I cherish my parrots. Do I still use my teflon pans? Yes, although I am
gradually upgrading to better quality. And I never, never burn anything in
them. A little knowledge is a good thing, IF it is combined with a little
common sense.

Laurensa

am I confused, is the the woodworking site. how is teflon in any way
related to woodworking. maybe we could get back to the subject.
Will
--- In medievalsawdust@yahoogroups.com, "James Winkler"
<jrwinkler@...> wrote:
>
> [HUMOR MODE: on]
>
> Ya' know... the fun thing about the 'teflon pan' thing is that in
the modern house... its probably the LOWEST source of any potential
toxin that might be floating around...
>
> For examp

Alexandros, at June Fair yesterday I saw at least three different
carts, all looked great.

(side note Matush's bucket coopering demo was well received)

TTFN
Ralg
AnTir

--- Following that post, and the later tremendous advice about links,
I posted the link on our links list! (should have done that in the
first place) for Averys pennsic cart.  The former sites are indeed
down, but it is cached at another site where it can be viewed.
       Jared






In medievalsawdust@yahoogroups.com, "Dan Baker" <LordRhys@...> wrote:
>
> Actually thats site is down.  Master Avery and I did a class at
pennsic one year on cart building, his plans and my breakdown version
are available on
> my site.
>
> http://www.noonelike.us/~rhys/
>
> -Rhys
>
> On 5/20/06, Jared <tudweber_jr@...> wrote:
> >
> > ---
> >   Avery did a great job explaining the construction of his cart, with
> > great photos, I think you can still veiw it by going to atlantia arts
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> >
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> > >
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artisians.
> > > Which I am very pleased that I have found. I was hoping to find
plans
> > > for a cart much like the one Malcolmhawk has made. Please let me
know
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Master Will -- greetings! I'm hoping your event went well, and that
you have recovered?

Could you please post these pictures for the edification of us all?

Also -- (OT) Whilst I was perusing the Mary Rose website this
weekend, I saw mention of a "braiser" -- I think it was found in the
Surgeon-barber's things -- but no picture. If you by any chance, have
pictures of that, could you post them as well, please?

Thanking you in advance -- Gillian Durham


--- In medievalsawdust@yahoogroups.com, "Bill McNutt" <mcnutt@...>
wrote:
>
> Remind me Monday; I'm cooking feast for 104 this weekend, and
> sawdust and wood research are the last things on my mind.  But I do
> still have those images and will be glad to make them available to
> you.  It's all stave-built mugs and flagons, though, I think.
>
> Will
    _____
>
> From: medievalsawdust@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:medievalsawdust@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
msgilliandurham
> Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 9:14 AM
> To: medievalsawdust@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [MedievalSawdust] Att Master Will Pix of Mary Rose mugs,
pls? WAS:
> Wooden drinking vessels
>
>
>
> --- In medievalsawdust@yahoogroups.com, "Ralph Lindberg" <n7bsn@>
> wrote:
> > Now this ratio is not true of the coopered/stave built mugs.
There it
> > is common for the vessel to be taller then it is wide.
>
> Aha! Thank you!
>
> I did a search for the word "Stave" on this list, and found a
> discussion of stave build mugs around March 24 of last year. In msg
> 4068 Master Will gave the URL for some pix he took of mugs from the
> Mary Rose, but the URL no longer works, and I can't find the pix in
> the Files or Photos sections of this group, or on his website.
>
> Master Will, are those pix still available anywhere, please?
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I think you are referring to a brazier - a portable fire pot for
heating things, such as pots of ingredients for ointments, as well as
being handy for re-heating a late night snack.

regards
Brusi of Orkney
Rowany/Lochac


At 12:15 AM 6/06/2006, you wrote:
>Master Will -- greetings! I'm hoping your event went well, and that
>you have recovered?
>
>Could you please post these pictures for the edification of us all?
>
>Also -- (OT) Whilst I was perusing the Mary Rose website this
>weekend, I saw mention of a "braiser" -- I think it was found in the
>Surgeon-barber's things -- but no picture. If you by any chance, have
>pictures of that, could you post them as well, please?
>
>Thanking you in advance -- Gillian Durham

Yup, that's it, braizer with a *z* -- on page

http://www.maryrose.org/life/barber1.htm

Now for a description if not a picture...

Thanks -- Gillian Durham


--- In medievalsawdust@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce S. R. Lee"
<bsrlee2@...> wrote:
>
> I think you are referring to a brazier - a portable fire pot for
> heating things, such as pots of ingredients for ointments, as well
> as being handy for re-heating a late night snack.
>
> regards
> Brusi of Orkney
> Rowany/Lochac
>
>
> At 12:15 AM 6/06/2006, you wrote:
> >Master Will -- greetings! I'm hoping your event went well, and that
> >you have recovered?
> >
> >Could you please post these pictures for the edification of us all?
> >
> >Also -- (OT) Whilst I was perusing the Mary Rose website this
> >weekend, I saw mention of a "braiser" -- I think it was found in
the
> >Surgeon-barber's things -- but no picture. If you by any chance,
have
> >pictures of that, could you post them as well, please?
> >
> >Thanking you in advance -- Gillian Durham
>

Gillian;

Per http://www.bartleby.com/61/26/B0462600.html

VARIANT FORMS: also bra·sier
NOUN: 1. A metal pan for holding burning coals or charcoal. 2. A cooking
device consisting of a charcoal or electric heating source over which
food is grilled.
ETYMOLOGY: French brasier, from braise, hot coals. See braise.

One photo (admittedly modern) is available at
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Brazier.JPG

See also: http://www.thefreedictionary.com/brazier

For entertainment value, see
http://www.occasionalhell.com/infdevice/detail.php?recordID=Brazier

What I found interesting was that my Google search didn't turn up many
examples of the form of brazier also referred to as "incense burner" -
the shallow pan suspended by three or four chains, often with a lid, and
used most often in religious ceremonies.

Wolf

msgilliandurham wrote:
> Yup, that's it, braizer with a *z* -- on page
>
> http://www.maryrose.org/life/barber1.htm
>
> Now for a description if not a picture...
>
> Thanks -- Gillian Durham

--
Done is what had to be done.

Master William may not be able to answer for a bit.
Last week, his heart gave him (and his lady wife) a
bit of a scare (160 pulse will do that).  He was okay
to go to Kingdom A&S this past weekend.  But today,
he's scheduled to swallow a camera so they can take
detailed pictures of his heart.

And he's scheduled to leave for Lilies on Thursday.

Just FYI.

Marthe Elsbeth, OP, OL
Mama Bird to Lady Catherine

--- msgilliandurham <msgilliandurham@...> wrote:

> Master Will -- greetings! I'm hoping your event went
> well, and that
> you have recovered?
>
> Could you please post these pictures for the
> edification of us all?
>
> Also -- (OT) Whilst I was perusing the Mary Rose
> website this
> weekend, I saw mention of a "braiser" -- I think it
> was found in the
> Surgeon-barber's things -- but no picture. If you by
> any chance, have
> pictures of that, could you post them as well,
> please?
>
> Thanking you in advance -- Gillian Durham


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Best wishes to Master Will and hopes that all is well.
THL Finnr

>From: Flemish Lady <wildwoman_54@...>
>Reply-To: medievalsawdust@yahoogroups.com
>To: medievalsawdust@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [MedievalSawdust] Att Master Will Pix of Mary Rose mugs, pls?
>Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 10:41:29 -0700 (PDT)
>
>Master William may not be able to answer for a bit.
>Last week, his heart gave him (and his lady wife) a
>bit of a scare (160 pulse will do that).  He was okay
>to go to Kingdom A&S this past weekend.  But today,
>he's scheduled to swallow a camera so they can take
>detailed pictures of his heart.
>
>And he's scheduled to leave for Lilies on Thursday.
>
>Just FYI.
>
>Marthe Elsbeth, OP, OL
>Mama Bird to Lady Catherine
>
>--- msgilliandurham <msgilliandurham@...> wrote:
>
> > Master Will -- greetings! I'm hoping your event went
> > well, and that
> > you have recovered?
> >
> > Could you please post these pictures for the
> > edification of us all?
> >
> > Also -- (OT) Whilst I was perusing the Mary Rose
> > website this
> > weekend, I saw mention of a "braiser" -- I think it
> > was found in the
> > Surgeon-barber's things -- but no picture. If you by
> > any chance, have
> > pictures of that, could you post them as well,
> > please?
> >
> > Thanking you in advance -- Gillian Durham
>
>
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