... Standardization isn't the issue. Chris correctly observed that dovetails on surviving furniture from the 16th c. are cut at a much steeper angle than...
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Tim Bray
albionwood
Sep 6, 2003 6:36 pm
... True, but IMHO sometimes overstated. For example, dovetail joinery spread through Northern Europe relatively rapidly - right around 1500 they suddenly...
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James May
jrobmay
Sep 6, 2003 7:43 pm
... Try at <http://gallery.euroweb.hu/html/d/durer/2/13/1/index.html>about two thirds of the way down "The temptation of the Idler" in the lower right...
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Larry Marshall
larry_d_mars...
Sep 7, 2003 12:58 am
... Sure...but your assumptions seem to be 1) there was great consistency in the dovetail ratios being used, 2) that the craftsman cared even in the least bit ...
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Larry Marshall
larry_d_mars...
Sep 7, 2003 1:00 am
... Sure, because by then village societies had become more organized. As for 'overstating', you might be right and I'm sure not going to spend much time on...
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Tim Bray
albionwood
Sep 7, 2003 4:18 am
... Non sequitur: those people weren't making dovetailed chests. We aren't talking about the peasant farmers here. There was in fact a great deal of ...
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Conal O'hAirt Jim...
baronconal
Sep 7, 2003 11:56 am
If I see something hat I find interesting I'll try to figure out what it is and how it works. I go back to my shop and try it. ( Or try to figure out an SCA...
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kjworzie
Sep 7, 2003 3:01 pm
My point was, even isolated, when a craftsman is intimate with his subject he solves problems, and those solutions are often arrived at quite widely and...
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Tim Bray
albionwood
Sep 7, 2003 5:10 pm
... This is, to me, literally incredible. Do you seriously mean to imply that people in the early 16th c. - a time when the most basic assumptions about ...
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Tom Rettie
trettie
Sep 7, 2003 6:47 pm
A few points to throw into the conversation, in no particular order: -- The dispersion of information/techniques isn't just a matter of contact across regions....
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kjworzie
Sep 7, 2003 10:59 pm
... am I ... but ... imply that ... assumptions about ... too ... No, I was implying the opposite. This is the explanation that had been given me, time and...
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kjworzie
Sep 7, 2003 11:11 pm
... regulated. My ... companies ... a hefty ... company. "Searchers" ... needed. ... hide it. ... But what about before that guild took hold? Why so few...
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kjworzie
Sep 8, 2003 12:11 am
Ugh! Been away from my planes too long. Got a blister just starting on the lid....
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Larry Marshall
larry_d_mars...
Sep 8, 2003 1:31 am
Colin, I was going to just let this pass as 1) you guys have taken this entirely beyond any comment I made and 2) there's little benefit in belaboring the...
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Larry Marshall
larry_d_mars...
Sep 8, 2003 1:38 am
... Your start point is a problem here. Nobody has said anything about 'failure.' What happens is the corners tend to break off. The joint doesn't come...
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Larry Marshall
larry_d_mars...
Sep 8, 2003 1:45 am
... YES...see my other posts. While I may not have been clear, it's becoming clear that we're not on opposite sides of this fence. Acute angles are still in...
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James W. Pratt, Jr.
cunning@...
Sep 8, 2003 2:19 am
The modern parallel are sunburst dovetails... not as strong as the standard ones but the effect is stunning. Another posibility is artistic licence to make...
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Tim Bray
albionwood
Sep 8, 2003 2:50 am
... OK, I see that I misunderstood you. I apologize, and hope you didn't take offense, as it appears that we agree about this. Cheers, Colin Albion Works ...
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Tim Bray
albionwood
Sep 8, 2003 2:50 am
... Good question and difficult to answer. It's hard enough to answer the question, "Why?" But much harder to answer the question "Why not?" ... Hmmm... I...
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Tim Bray
albionwood
Sep 8, 2003 2:50 am
Larry, your response indicates that I misunderstood you as well... clearly ... Whoops, not nobility - I said "There was in fact a great deal of international...
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kjworzie
Sep 8, 2003 12:07 pm
... someone ... the wrong ... that it ... dovetails. ... I apologize for miscommunicating. I started this thread, and it could be gathered from what I wrote...
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kjworzie
Sep 8, 2003 12:15 pm
... all. To the ... the ... available ... reasons, ... EXCELLENT POINT. ... finicky than ... the whole ... period, ... the shoulders. ... Another point I...
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Joseph Hayes
von_landstuhl
Sep 8, 2003 4:41 pm
... They may not be entirely modern. I'm sure I have a book or two on Hispanic furniture with period sunburst dovetails. Ulrich ...
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kjworzie
Sep 8, 2003 5:18 pm
Oh golly. I've been looking closely at Durer woodcut (thanks for pointing me there) Temptaion of the Idler ...
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James Winkler
rivendalehall
Sep 8, 2003 5:39 pm
... other artists) work. Then another can of worms is opened. The triangle is made of three equal parts. Three is numerologically important, just to start...
939
kjworzie
Sep 8, 2003 6:09 pm
... joint ... Yup, that's what I figure. I gotta get out more....
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Tracie Brown
peerlady
Sep 8, 2003 8:38 pm
... interest here (to ... square, and a ... I've always liked the very modern looking claw hammer in the upper left quadrant of the engraving. -- Signy...
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Tracie Brown
peerlady
Sep 8, 2003 8:50 pm
... Is Galoot a technical term in old tool users/collectors circles, or just an observation? Alas, the period I had been emulating with that group of ... old...
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kjworzie
Sep 8, 2003 8:58 pm
A galoot is technical term for an oldtool user/collector, and they have their own mailing list, if you are interested. I'd say your father is using with good...
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Tim Bray
albionwood
Sep 8, 2003 11:26 pm
... I'm not sure what these are. ... Yes, lots, and they generally confirm the artistic evidence. I'll upload a few photos. Cheers, Colin Albion Works ...
