I just got a Katadyn Hiker and have been basically
pleased with it.  My first handheld filter was a First
Need and I do NOT recommend those.

I find iodine *very* yucky.  It takes delicious spring
water and turns it into blech...  (IMHO).

I have also carried a medicine dropper bottle of
chlorine bleach and like that.  The flavor is a bit
better than iodine.  You lose the often delicious
flavor of backcountry water but it is much lighter and
never clogs.

--- M G <teachinded@...> wrote:
> boy, is this bunch full of it today...
>
> re-water.,
>
> what are the recommendations for filters, purifiers,
> or just plain iodine pills.
> -Mark
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My very favorite trail so far has actually been the
Kaintuck Trail.

The spring and field are gorgeous and the town is so
welcoming when you are done.  Make sure to get prime
rib at the little restaurant in a yellow house.

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I carry a bottle of Polar-Pure.  It lasts forever unlike the iodine
tablets which are only good for about 6-months after you open the
bottle.

Danny

--- In motrailsbackpackingmissouri@yahoogroups.com, M G
<teachinded@y...> wrote:
> boy, is this bunch full of it today...
>
> re-water.,
>
> what are the recommendations for filters, purifiers,
> or just plain iodine pills.
> -Mark
>
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I would have to vote for Bell Mountain Wilderness and the north 1/2
of the Taum Sauk Section of the Ozark Trail from Highway A to Johnson
Shut-ins State Park that crosses the south 1/2 of Bell Mountain and
traverses the west side of Goggins Mountain.

Danny

--- In motrailsbackpackingmissouri@yahoogroups.com, "mariopitt66"
<mariopitt66@y...> wrote:
> All,
> I am looking for some advice/opinions here... I have just recently
> begun to realize what great trails MO has to offer. However, I have
> only been to a couple of spots. Recently, council bluff lake,
castor
> shut-in's, paddy creek wilderness... But, I am looking to expand my
> horizons. I have seen a number of trail photos from group members
> (whispering pines/bell mt./marble creek) that looked incredible. I
am
> wondering what everyone's opinion is of the BEST trail missouri has
> to offer. Typically, my favorite areas are near streams with pines,
> rock outcroppings that allow for good exploration, climbing, etc..
> Any ideas???
> Cheers

How is the polar pure for flavor?

--- Danny <mcmurfy1@...> wrote:
> I carry a bottle of Polar-Pure.  It lasts forever
> unlike the iodine
> tablets which are only good for about 6-months after
> you open the
> bottle.
>
> Danny
>
> --- In motrailsbackpackingmissouri@yahoogroups.com,
> M G
> <teachinded@y...> wrote:
> > boy, is this bunch full of it today...
> >
> > re-water.,
> >
> > what are the recommendations for filters,
> purifiers,
> > or just plain iodine pills.
> > -Mark
> >
> >
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How is the polar pure for flavor?

--- Danny <mcmurfy1@...> wrote:
> I carry a bottle of Polar-Pure.  It lasts forever
> unlike the iodine
> tablets which are only good for about 6-months after
> you open the
> bottle.
>
> Danny

After returning from a 3-mile bushwhacking trip today, I spotted my
first tick of the year, embedded firmly into my torso at my belt-
line.  I grabbed, pulled, and tossed the critter into the toilet.
Then I started thinking about the 'correct way' to remove a tick.

My Mom used to hold a lit match to the tick, with the idea that heat
would cause the tick to back out of it's grip.  I've heard other
people using tweezers.  I just grab and yank.

Does anyone know the best procedure for removing these wee blood-
suckers?

JOhn

DNR is in the process of writing management plans for each of
the 'wild area' within Missouri's State Parks.  They've already
implemented a plan for Roaring River, and the Mudlick wild area in
Sam A. Baker is next on the list.

DNR's designation of wild areas in some ways resemebles the
wildernesses established under the U.S. Wilderness Act in the early
60s.  Since they are not actually federal wildernesses, DNR can
manage these areas with a different protocol than the Feds.  I am
aware that there are some groups that have been critical of DNR's
handling its wild areas in the past, as they have often taken a
proactive roll in restoration and species management.

I'm curious as this group's thoughts on management policy in DNR's
wild areas.  While I'd like to see comments in the forum, you can
also send me a private response via email:  jroth 'at' hyperdata.com .

Thanks,

John

Danny, have you ever tried carrying the little lemon
packets you can get with ice teas at quick shops to
put in the water with the polar pure or iodine
tablets? the water we drank on the other side of the
big pond tasted just like paddy water, so our uncle
gave us kool-aid packets to disguise the taste,there
are probably other ideas to disguise the
taste,powdered gatorade,instant tea, etc. not being a
chemist, i would wait til after the watered has
purified then add the flavor, just a thought, Gary
--- Danny McMurphy <mcmurfy1@...> wrote:
> Eva - the polar pure tastes just like the iodine
> tablets so if you don't like them then you won't
> like the polar pure either.  The taste has never
> been an issue with me. I just don't want to come
> down giardia and I don't like carrying the heavier
> filter.
>
> Danny
>
> Eva <prinleah101@...> wrote:
> How is the polar pure for flavor?
>
> --- Danny <mcmurfy1@...> wrote:
> > I carry a bottle of Polar-Pure.  It lasts forever
> > unlike the iodine
> > tablets which are only good for about 6-months
> after
> > you open the
> > bottle.
> >
> > Danny
>
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After returning from a 3-mile bushwhacking trip today, I spotted my first tick of the year, embedded firmly into my torso at my belt-
line. I grabbed, pulled, and tossed the critter into the toilet. Then I started thinking about the 'correct way' to remove a tick.
My Mom used to hold a lit match to the tick, with the idea that heat would cause the tick to back out of it's grip. I've heard other people using tweezers. I just grab and yank.
Does anyone know the best procedure for removing these wee blood-
suckers?
JOhn
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-----Original Message-----
From: John Roth [mailto:jroth@...]
Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2004 2:03 AM
To: motrailsbackpackingmissouri@yahoogroups.com
Subject: MOTRAILS Argh!! My first tick of the year!

After returning from a 3-mile bushwhacking trip today, I spotted my
first tick of the year, embedded firmly into my torso at my belt-
line.  I grabbed, pulled, and tossed the critter into the toilet. 
Then I started thinking about the 'correct way' to remove a tick.

My Mom used to hold a lit match to the tick, with the idea that heat
would cause the tick to back out of it's grip.  I've heard other
people using tweezers.  I just grab and yank.

Does anyone know the best procedure for removing these wee blood-
suckers?

JOhn

I have a tick removal tool I picked up some where.  It is a little plastic spoon with a notch in the end.  You slide it under the tick and the gently lever it out.

 

 

Jeff Goetter
Secretary
Ozark Trail Association
http://www.ozarktrail.com

-----Original Message-----
From: John Roth [mailto:jroth@...]
Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2004 2:03 AM
To: motrailsbackpackingmissouri@yahoogroups.com
Subject: MOTRAILS Argh!! My first tick of the year!

After returning from a 3-mile bushwhacking trip today, I spotted my
first tick of the year, embedded firmly into my torso at my belt-
line.  I grabbed, pulled, and tossed the critter into the toilet. 
Then I started thinking about the 'correct way' to remove a tick.

My Mom used to hold a lit match to the tick, with the idea that heat
would cause the tick to back out of it's grip.  I've heard other
people using tweezers.  I just grab and yank.

Does anyone know the best procedure for removing these wee blood-
suckers?

JOhn

thanks for letting me join the group.
I live in the Alton area and frequently go hiking on the trails
around there -Grand Gulf, Greer- McCormick Lake, Greer Springs. These
go through some very beautiful countryside. Just discovered the
Devil's Backbone and Ridgerunner this weekend. The ticks are
definitely out.
I am interested in joining a work group if one works on weekends
around my area. Was trying to pick up some trash on the ridge runner
today but there was more than I could carry out. Can't believe people
just throw their trash all over the trails like they do. Have to say
I was a little disappointed with my experience on the ridge runner.
They need more or better trail markers. There are some trails not
listed on the map I got at the forestry service which intersect with
the main trail where they really need to give you an idea of where
the main trail actually heads. I got a little frustrated.
anyway, I just wanted to say hi and that I am so looking forward to
hearing about other trails in Missouri.  and hopefully getting
involved in helping develop and maintain the trails. SOme of the men
in my church actually were part of the CCC program which put the
Greer trail in, which I thought was pretty cool.
sharron

I was in the Kansas City area this past Friday and since it was such
a gorgeous Spring day we decided to explore the Bluffwoods
Conservation Area just southwest of Saint Joseph. This 2,344 acre
area is located along the loess bluffs of the Misouri River valley
and is described by the MDC as "rugged" and "almost 90 percent
hardwood forest", a rarity at the western end of our state. Since a
parked freight train was blocking the Bluff Road entrance we drove a
little farther down highway 59 and gained access via Henman Road.
Bluffwoods CA contains about seven miles of hiking trails in two
separate areas. We parked at the trailhead along 60th Road and headed
out with the intent of hiking the 4.5 mile perimeter loop (as
described in Hiking Kansas City) consisting of the Maple Falls, Lone
Pine, and Turkey Ridge trails. Even though we had the MDC brochure
map in hand we had a difficult time figuring out the perimeter route
of these three contiguous loop trails, primarily due to vandalized
signs at trail junctions. In addition, some trail junctions were
marked with letters ("B" & "C" for instance) for which there was no
reference on the map. We ended up hiking for several hours in this
area but I'm not sure exactly how we looped it. I finally came to the
conclusion that some trails and roads must have been added/deleted
since the MDC map's 1997 printing. Nevertheless it was an enjoyable
hike with challenging terrain at times, especially in the area of the
scenic overlooks. We did see the lone pine along the Lone Pine Trail.
This tree is a huge old gnarly pine which looks quite out of place at
Bluffwoods. Along the trails we saw a few wildflowers and may apples
as well as some serviceberries and red buds just beginning to
blossom. Spring here appeared to be about a week or so behind the St.
Louis end of the state.  The loess soil trails were all dry and the
creeks had very little water in them for this time of year. Before
leaving Bluffwoods we drove up to another trail head on Bethel Road
and hiked the two mile Forest Nature Trail which is a partially paved
loop consisting of several smaller trails. On the way back to KC, we
stopped at Lewis & Clark State Park which contains a large lake which
was once an oxbow of the Missouri River and has since separated. We
also stopped at Weston Bend State Park which contains perhaps the
most scenic viewpoint in the Kansas City area.

If you let them gorge until they are about the size of an olive,
they'll just fall off.


--- In motrailsbackpackingmissouri@yahoogroups.com, "John Roth"
<jroth@h...> wrote:
> After returning from a 3-mile bushwhacking trip today, I spotted my
> first tick of the year, embedded firmly into my torso at my belt-
> line.  I grabbed, pulled, and tossed the critter into the toilet.
> Then I started thinking about the 'correct way' to remove a tick.
>
> My Mom used to hold a lit match to the tick, with the idea that
heat
> would cause the tick to back out of it's grip.  I've heard other
> people using tweezers.  I just grab and yank.
>
> Does anyone know the best procedure for removing these wee blood-
> suckers?
>
> JOhn

Gary

I will take Gatorade with me if I'm out for several days and take a
bottle even on a hotday.  I don't take it too just flavor the iodine
water with though as I use it for a pick-me up, especially at the end
of a long hot day with the backpack on.  I have also started buying a
1-quart plastic bottle of gatorade to start with and then use that
bottle over and over while on the trail to keep the gatorade flavor
out of my regular water bottles.

I'll be backpacking in bear country for 10 days in early August and
all smellables will have to go up in the bear bags at night, water
bottles included, especially if the water has been flavored with
anything at all.

Danny

--- In motrailsbackpackingmissouri@yahoogroups.com, gary redinger
<mohoghead@y...> wrote:
> Danny, have you ever tried carrying the little lemon
> packets you can get with ice teas at quick shops to
> put in the water with the polar pure or iodine
> tablets? the water we drank on the other side of the
> big pond tasted just like paddy water, so our uncle
> gave us kool-aid packets to disguise the taste,there
> are probably other ideas to disguise the
> taste,powdered gatorade,instant tea, etc. not being a
> chemist, i would wait til after the watered has
> purified then add the flavor, just a thought, Gary

John

Put a little white gas on the tick before you put the match on there.
That will turn them into toast but it does have a few drawbacks! :)

Danny

--- In motrailsbackpackingmissouri@yahoogroups.com, "John Roth"
<jroth@h...> wrote:
> After returning from a 3-mile bushwhacking trip today, I spotted my
> first tick of the year, embedded firmly into my torso at my belt-
> line.  I grabbed, pulled, and tossed the critter into the toilet.
> Then I started thinking about the 'correct way' to remove a tick.
>
> My Mom used to hold a lit match to the tick, with the idea that
heat
> would cause the tick to back out of it's grip.  I've heard other
> people using tweezers.  I just grab and yank.
>
> Does anyone know the best procedure for removing these wee blood-
> suckers?
>
> JOhn

Danny.....


LOL You are SO funny!

Mouse



--- In motrailsbackpackingmissouri@yahoogroups.com, "Danny"
<mcmurfy1@y...> wrote:
> John
>
> Put a little white gas on the tick before you put the match on there.
> That will turn them into toast but it does have a few drawbacks! :)
>
> Danny
>

Great documentation on the Kaintuck trail.
Love the kerosene and match trick for removing
ticks...


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That's wrong.  You can't just let them stay there, you'll get sick.
Put some white gas on them, then pull gently on them, then put
vasaline on them, then burn incense under them while either praying
or chanting and in about a week they should come out.
RJ


--- In motrailsbackpackingmissouri@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Merritt"
<ozarkhiker18@y...> wrote:
> If you let them gorge until they are about the size of an olive,
> they'll just fall off.
>
>
> --- In motrailsbackpackingmissouri@yahoogroups.com, "John Roth"
> <jroth@h...> wrote:
> > After returning from a 3-mile bushwhacking trip today, I spotted
my
> > first tick of the year, embedded firmly into my torso at my belt-
> > line.  I grabbed, pulled, and tossed the critter into the
toilet.
> > Then I started thinking about the 'correct way' to remove a tick.
> >
> > My Mom used to hold a lit match to the tick, with the idea that
> heat
> > would cause the tick to back out of it's grip.  I've heard other
> > people using tweezers.  I just grab and yank.
> >
> > Does anyone know the best procedure for removing these wee blood-
> > suckers?
> >
> > JOhn

Week of April 5, 2004

Middle Fork Construction
We are taking Easter weekend off.  Come join us next time on Sunday April 18.

Sign up at http://www.ozarktrail.com/workparties.asp

Executive Board Meeting
There will be an Executive Board meeting on Tuesday, April 13th at 7:00 PM at the Powder Valley Conservation Center.  Meeting is open to the public.

Good Hiking and hope to see you on the trail

Jeff Goetter
Secretary
Ozark Trail Association
http://www.ozarktrail.com

To be honest I usually just pull them gently with my thumb and
fingers.  Although it is rare that I actually get them.  I am so
hypersensitive to anything crawling on me now.  The best bet is not
to let them stick you in the first place.
RJ


--- In motrailsbackpackingmissouri@yahoogroups.com, Susan Tonarely
<suyame128@y...> wrote:
> First you can take the tweezers and turn them counter clock wise
or is it clock wise and unscrew the suckers or you can burn them off
but you have to becareful not to catch yourself on fire, or you can
put a glob of vaseoline or vicks on the and suffocate them or
alcohol or peroxide which could possible boil them out.  My
grandmother would put a tar like substance on them.
>.

I apologize in advanced if this might be a bit crude in places
but I just gotta say it.
     I backpacked Cuivre River State park as a warm up for the
season.  The horseless part of the trail (Lone Spring and Big Sugar
creek)  was beautiful.  I probably saw more deer than I have on any
other hike.  Even the part that they had conducted a control burn
had its beauty.
     However the eight mile loop of the Cuivre was an eight mile
cesspool.  I follow the leave no trace religiously, but I was
wondering what's the point on a horse trail.  There were sections
that were ten yards across where it looked like I would sink to my
knees in muck.  On one of them I stepped between two trees  that
looked small enough for a person only and almost stepped on a pile,
It was like dodging a mine field.  Good training if you're going to
Cambodia.
     A little further up the trail I realized I had to go and I
couldn't help but think about saving it until a horse rider came by
then leaving a gift right in front, and staring back with a look of
go ahead, say something.  Of course I didn't.  In fact, I got over
it and had a nice conversation with the next group of riders.
    Now I'm not saying that my stuff don't stink, but when you're a
few hundred feet off of the trail and you can't smell your own stuff
because of the trail stench that you're trying to keep clean that
looks like an over flowed septic tank for eight miles, I sometimes
wonder what's the point.
    RJ

 I apologize in advanced if this might be a bit crude in places but I just gotta say it. I backpacked Cuivre River State park as a warm up for the season. The horseless part of the trail (Lone Spring and Big Sugar creek) was beautiful. I probably saw more deer than I have on any other hike. Even the part that they had conducted a control burn had its beauty.
However the eight mile loop of the Cuivre was an eight mile cesspool. I follow the leave no trace religiously, but I was wondering what's the point on a horse trail. There were sections that were ten yards across where it looked like I would sink to my knees in muck. On one of them I stepped between two trees that looked small enough for a person only and almost stepped on a pile, It was like dodging a mine field. Good training if you're going to Cambodia.
A little further up the trail I realized I had to go and I couldn't help but think about saving it until a horse rider came by then leaving a gift right in front, and staring back with a look of go ahead, say something. Of course I didn't. In fact, I got over it and had a nice conversation with the next group of riders.
Now I'm not saying that my stuff don't stink, but when you're a few hundred feet off of the trail and you can't smell your own stuff because of the trail stench that you're trying to keep clean that looks like an over flowed septic tank for eight miles, I sometimes wonder what's the point.
RJ
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I know, I didn't mean it to sound as angry as it came out.  Half of
it was written with tongue in cheek.  Those thoughts only represented
5 minutes of my entire weekend.  The rest was awesome.
RJ

--- In motrailsbackpackingmissouri@yahoogroups.com, Gisele G Matthews
<gisele29@s...> wrote:
> RJ,
>
> I really understand how you feel, but you have to remember that
there
> are more horses out there in the early spring time, than any other
time,
> because, like us, they have been locked up all winter and their
owners
> want to get out there, as soon a we want to start hiking. Also,
although
> horse dung smells atrocious and is  'real negative thing to step
into',
> to put it lightly, please keep in mind that horse dung is
recyclable and
> is fantastic in nitrogen, for the woods that we love so much.
>
> I remember last spring, when ever my boyfriend and I took our older
> Golden and our 6 month old Golden Retriever to Queeny Park here in
St.
> Louis, he had this obnoxious habit of finding horse dung on the
trails
> and in the fields and eating it. Now, THAT'S just down right NASTY!
YUCK!
>
> Just wait till late May after all the rains and the weather gets a
> little hotter, cause it seems that, that is when we really can
start
> enjoying hiking.
>
>
> Mouse
>
>
> R.J. wrote:
>
> >    I apologize in advanced if this might be a bit crude in places
> >but I just gotta say it.
> >    I backpacked Cuivre River State park as a warm up for the
> >season.  The horseless part of the trail (Lone Spring and Big
Sugar
> >creek)  was beautiful.  I probably saw more deer than I have on
any
> >other hike.  Even the part that they had conducted a control burn
> >had its beauty.
> >    However the eight mile loop of the Cuivre was an eight mile
> >cesspool.  I follow the leave no trace religiously, but I was
> >wondering what's the point on a horse trail.  There were sections
> >that were ten yards across where it looked like I would sink to my
> >knees in muck.  On one of them I stepped between two trees  that
> >looked small enough for a person only and almost stepped on a
pile,
> >It was like dodging a mine field.  Good training if you're going
to
> >Cambodia.
> >    A little further up the trail I realized I had to go and I
> >couldn't help but think about saving it until a horse rider came
by
> >then leaving a gift right in front, and staring back with a look
of
> >go ahead, say something.  Of course I didn't.  In fact, I got over
> >it and had a nice conversation with the next group of riders.
> >   Now I'm not saying that my stuff don't stink, but when you're a
> >few hundred feet off of the trail and you can't smell your own
stuff
> >because of the trail stench that you're trying to keep clean that
> >looks like an over flowed septic tank for eight miles, I sometimes
> >wonder what's the point.
> >   RJ
> >
> >
> >
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I know, I didn't mean it to sound as angry as it came out. Half of it was written with tongue in cheek. Those thoughts only represented 5 minutes of my entire weekend. The rest was awesome.
RJ

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The idea of an equestrian practicing "Leave No Trace" is an
impossibility.  They can strive for "leave as little trace as
possible", but that's about it.  Say what you want about multi-use,
but I can't imagine there is an argument to contradict my statement.


--- In motrailsbackpackingmissouri@yahoogroups.com, "R.J."
<rjburle@y...> wrote:
>     I apologize in advanced if this might be a bit crude in places
> but I just gotta say it.
>     I backpacked Cuivre River State park as a warm up for the
> season.  The horseless part of the trail (Lone Spring and Big Sugar
> creek)  was beautiful.  I probably saw more deer than I have on any
> other hike.  Even the part that they had conducted a control burn
> had its beauty.
>     However the eight mile loop of the Cuivre was an eight mile
> cesspool.  I follow the leave no trace religiously, but I was
> wondering what's the point on a horse trail.  There were sections
> that were ten yards across where it looked like I would sink to my
> knees in muck.  On one of them I stepped between two trees  that
> looked small enough for a person only and almost stepped on a pile,
> It was like dodging a mine field.  Good training if you're going to
> Cambodia.
>     A little further up the trail I realized I had to go and I
> couldn't help but think about saving it until a horse rider came by
> then leaving a gift right in front, and staring back with a look of
> go ahead, say something.  Of course I didn't.  In fact, I got over
> it and had a nice conversation with the next group of riders.
>    Now I'm not saying that my stuff don't stink, but when you're a
> few hundred feet off of the trail and you can't smell your own
stuff
> because of the trail stench that you're trying to keep clean that
> looks like an over flowed septic tank for eight miles, I sometimes
> wonder what's the point.
>    RJ

<ozarkhiker18@y...> wrote:
> The idea of an equestrian practicing "Leave No Trace" is an
> impossibility.  They can strive for "leave as little trace as
> possible", but that's about it.  Say what you want about multi-use,
> but I can't imagine there is an argument to contradict my
statement.

I started googling for "Leave No Trace" and "multi-use," and found a
site where Hummer owners subscribe to LNT:
http://www.hummerteam.com/magazine/about.asp .

That was good for a chuckle.

John