John, If you will reread my post, I think you'll see that I never suggested that Tolkien's characters were Christian or Catholic in the sense that we use those...
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Carl F. Hostetter
endorendil
Jun 10, 2009 3:25 pm
... I'm don't know what your definition of "Catholic"; is, but certainly _some_ of the characters in _LotR_ are Catholic _in their theology and philosophy...
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John Davis
mcxg46
Jun 10, 2009 2:54 pm
Hi Jeff, I see. Then granted, Tolkien is certainly Catholic! But beyond that, regarding your saying that those who act in harmony with Natural Law are acting...
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Jason Fisher
visualweasel
Jun 10, 2009 2:18 pm
... I am not saying, of course, that the LoR does not possess a "catholic side" - I also have written about this point, and edited articles on this issue. All...
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jef.murray
Jun 10, 2009 2:02 pm
John, I was refering to our natural inclination to look at a person we admire in real life and "see" them through the lens of our own beliefs. The more we...
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John Davis
mcxg46
Jun 10, 2009 1:34 pm
Hi Jeff, When you say that there is a tendency to 'make over heroes in our own image', I assume you are referring to Tolkien himself, not his characters? ...
Dear all, I am not saying, of course, that the LoR does not possess a "catholic side" - I also have written about this point, and edited articles on this...
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jef.murray
Jun 10, 2009 1:20 pm
Vincent, Christina just posted an excellent article that delves into this question, and Carl has also just hinted at the many Catholic aspects of LOTR. I don't...
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Cristina A. Montes
camontes_dra...
Jun 10, 2009 12:38 pm
An essay on Catholicism in LOTRboth the books and the movies: http://www.decentfilms.com/sections/articles/2559...
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Carl F. Hostetter
endorendil
Jun 10, 2009 3:48 am
... No; but I think we should unless we have a compelling reason not to do so. Do you have such a reason? Personally, I can see plenty of support for Tolkien's...
yes, but do we have to believe writers's statements about their own work ? and who Tolkien was writing to, in this letter ? I think this statement has always...
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mwilt
marywilt
Jun 9, 2009 11:15 am
The author appears to be John Rogers at Kung Fu Monkey At least, when he subsequently commented on it in American Prospect, he didn't attribute it to anyone...
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WendellWag@...
wendell_wagner
Jun 9, 2009 7:23 am
The following quotation is going around the Internet. Â I don't know who originally wrote it: There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year...
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jef.murray
Jun 8, 2009 1:39 pm
Greetings! Welcome to my newsletter for June, 2009! Please feel free to forward this to anyone you think would be interested in keeping up with me. To receive...
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Alana Joli Abbott
artiephesus
Jun 6, 2009 3:14 pm
Thanks to everyone who responded to this -- what a great conversation! I hope that what I summed up and passed along at least creates a clearer picture for my...
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David Bratman
dbratman1
Jun 6, 2009 4:01 am
from the Borderlands June Newsletter...
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Larry Swain
theswain
Jun 5, 2009 8:15 pm
I don't know of any scholarship, but it seems clear to me in reading the HoME material, and the "canonical" works that Tolkien is presenting a Catholic...
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Croft, Janet B.
jbcroft73019
Jun 5, 2009 8:04 pm
Is there any scholarship using the drafts for LOTR to examine this question? Do the drafts show Tolkien making revisions that reflect his Catholicism? Or did...
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Merlin DeTardo
not_thou
Jun 5, 2009 5:10 pm
... Is there any scholarship using the drafts for LOTR to examine this question? Do the drafts show Tolkien making revisions that reflect his Catholicism? Or...
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Diego Seguí
tirachinas
Jun 5, 2009 2:07 pm
Another important Tolkien letter which I believe has not been mentioned in this thread is #213 to Deborah Webster (1958). In discussing the significance of...
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David Bratman
dbratman1
Jun 5, 2009 6:20 am
... In the letter, Tolkien says the Catholicism is "unconsciously so at first, but consciously in the revision." It seems to me that addresses the question of...
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Doug Kane
voronwe1
Jun 5, 2009 5:43 am
... <http://geo.yahoo.com/serv?s=97359714/grpId=45737/grpspId=1705020227/msgId=2 0542/stime=1244175702/nc1=3848627/nc2=4025338/nc3=5170420> For what it is...
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John D Rateliff
sacnoth32
Jun 5, 2009 4:21 am
Alana: The quote from the letter to Fr. Murray that Jef cited is the main source. But check also his letter to Hastings, which shows that he felt comfortable...
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jef.murray
Jun 4, 2009 12:17 pm
Alana, This from Tolkien's Letters, edited by Carpenter: "The Lord of the Rings is of course a fundamentally religious and Catholic work," wrote Tolkien,...
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Alana Joli Abbott
artiephesus
Jun 4, 2009 10:43 am
Hello all, I had a conversation recently in which a Catholic friend said she felt that the Lord of the Rings wasn't Catholic at all, and I said that I believed...
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WendellWag@...
wendell_wagner
Jun 3, 2009 2:08 am
Mention of Elvish on the second page of this story: _http://www.salon.com/books/review/2009/06/03/invented_languages/_ ...
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David Emerson
emerdavid1
Jun 2, 2009 3:36 pm
... Or American Society for Legalization of Ancient Nunchuks? emerdavid ________________________________________ PeoplePC Online A better way to Internet ...
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David Bratman
dbratman1
Jun 2, 2009 2:57 pm
Why doesn't he just call his group the Nunchuk Illegality and Criminality Eliminationists, or N.I.C.E.?...
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Jason Fisher
visualweasel
Jun 2, 2009 2:23 pm
[NB: This is not meant to incite political argument. Even if you're tempted, please refrain. Thank you! :)] Did anyone else catch the C.S. Lewis reference on...
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Edith Crowe
ecrowews
Jun 1, 2009 5:37 pm
FYI... Tolkien 2009 “Ten Years of History” event to be held on August 15th-16th 2009 [no location given] The Asociación Tolkien Argentina (A.T.A.) is a...
