I met Pliny during the N-scale convention at Chantilly when his layout
was open for the convention in 2004. His ship models were as
impressive as his layout.
Alex, thanks for sharing.
Fred

On Jan 4, 2010, at 4:03 PM, Alex Postpischil wrote:

> I just received news that Pliny Holt passed away this morning:
>
> Hey Alex - I have sad news to report - CAPT Holt passed away
> peacefully in his sleep around 5:00 this morning.  He is at peace
> now - the last few days he was very weak and unable to communicate
> much.  It will be some months before he can be interred at Arlington
> with full military honors.
> -------------
>
> Pliny was a Master Model Railroader and his N scale layout was
> featured in several magazines over the years. His layout featured
> the Oakland (CA) mole and ferry dock. It was open to visitors during
> layout tours. He was a mentor to me (when I lived in his area) as
> well as other young modelers. If you would like more info about
> Pliny (his life or the funeral service) please drop me a line and
> I'll pass on info. I haven't checked for an obit online, I suspect
> it will be a few days before it is posted... He was 99 years young.
> -alex-
> Alex M. Postpischil
> Winston-Salem, NC
>
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One-of-a-kind Southern Rwy consist of 3 N-scale diesel models:

1) Life-Like GP7 #6243 (unpowered):  Life-Like GP18 converted to a GP7 using a
Gold Medal Model kit.  The side screens were cut out of the engine and replaced
with see-through brass screens; roof exhaust fans are brass replacements; side
skirts are brass.  Details added include wire grab irons, lift rings, sun
shades, bell, MU hoses, MT couplers and windshield wipers.  Then it was painted,
decaled and weathered to look like the prototype and will be an attention
grabber on your layout.  Jewel box included.  Runs well between GP-9 and GP-18.

2) Kato GP-9 #2191 (powered): GP-9 was a versatile engine that the Southern
owned in fewer numbers than the GP-7 and is hard to find in model form painted
for the SRR.  Custom detailed to match the prototype: The molded grab irons were
removed and replaced with music wire, hoses added,  windshield wipers attached,
the lift rings were replaced with Gold Medal Models details, plus much more.  It
was carefully painted, lettered and heavily weathered to faithfully represent
the way they looked near the end of its mainline service.  Jewel box included.

3) Life-Like GP-18 #165 (powered): When the Southern Rwy absorbed the original
Norfolk Southern (Eastern NC & VA), the engines were given larger fuel tanks,
replacement hoods for the short end, horns at both ends, relocated bell and
more.  This customized Life-Like engine represents the rebuilt models of such an
engine.  The molded grab irons were removed and replaced with music wire, hoses
added, speedometer cable attached, windshield wipers & filter box added, new
fuel and air tanks, plus much more.  It was carefully painted, lettered and
weathered to faithfully represent the prototype. Jewel box included.

Looking to trade for quality N-scale engines in western livery: UP, SP and
AT&SF.

Sale price is $185.00 which includes free USPS shipping within continental U.S.;
insurance at buyer's option.  Photo available upon request.

If interested, please email me at arnoldrubin@...

Hello to All,

I and my youngest son finished up a small 30" x 48" layout and had a great time
doing it. From planning to scenery methods to operating. I am now moving on
,alone sadly to say(16 year olds have other interests you know!)and am going to
try designing and executing a point to point N shelf layout. This looks like a
great site with much advice.I also work for a private railroad doing heavy ore
hauling over a 50 mile trackage.Just thought I would introduce myself before I
start "lurking" around the site. Maybe even contribute someday!

Al

Hello everyone,

On my project list is an N-scale low nose GP-18 in Missouri Pacific in
Bicentennial colors, road number `1976'.   I am in the process in gathering all
that I need to model this unique locomotive.  I have a Lifelike GP20 for the low
nose, cab, and mechanism.  I have a Lifelike GP18 without dynamic brakes for the
aft body.  I also have trucks from a Lifelike FA.

The prototype locomotive also had a modification to the air filter.  I can see
the filter in the following photographs linked below; however, I am not sure of
the shape or dimensions.

http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/mp/mp1976n.jpg

http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/mp/mp1976csa.jpg

http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/mp/mp1976csb.jpg

http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/mp/mp1976csc.jpg

Anyone know of the filter shape and dimensions?  Is this air filter offered in
N-scale?  Any assistance would be greatly appreciated.

Phil

I have been in the NMRA for over thirty years. there is a bias at the national
level contests, though this appears to be changing radically. I believe they
recognize the N Scale issue, and are trying to rectify it. BUT WE need to be
part of that solution, starting at the local level. If we get off our high
horses here and work with the NMRA to change that image, it will go away. If we
continue to be seen in an adversarial role, it will never change.

I think it has changed already. I have partipcated at the regional level, where
you should be trying to get your "contest experience" then bring the best of the
best to national. I have never felt a bias at the local level.

FWIW
Dave

--- On Mon, 1/4/10, Nato <ngoodman@...> wrote:

From: Nato <ngoodman@...>
Subject: [n_scale] Re: 75th Convention
To: n_scale@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, January 4, 2010, 11:46 PM







 









       When I joined the N.M.R.A.in the 1980's eventhough they were HO
-Centric,they recognized N in a large way. Our N Trac club then the Utah N Rail
Modelers went to the 1987 Eugene,Oregon show. This was way before there was a N
Scale Collectors Orginazation and N Trak had two conventions a year East Coast
and West,and these conventions were held a day before the N.M.R.A. National
Convention and provided a layout or layouts in the vendor disp;ay area at the
show.Our layout was part of a larger one that featured the optional Mountain
Division Green Line trackage. There was a second layout of N Trak that did not
have the extra mountain track. The N.M.R.A. gave out convention cars to all who
registered or displayed layouts. There were both HO & N cars. The N car for 1987
was an MT Wood Caboose on Yellow with "Full Steam to Eugene" markings. Untill
the early 1990's it appears that HO & N cars were offered. When train sets were
offered for the first time I
  do not know. With the economy like it is it would be natural to save money and
not do an N car. Nate Goodman (Nato). Salt Lake,Utah.                      
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With declining enrollement, the NMRA is looking at money -- problem is it
becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy...... Get your MMRs now folks I doubt they
will be around in 10 years....

--- On Mon, 1/4/10, psteinmetz <psteinmetz@...> wrote:

From: psteinmetz <psteinmetz@...>
Subject: [n_scale] Re: NMRA 75th Convention
To: n_scale@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, January 4, 2010, 12:33 PM







 









       I was not embarassed by the letter.  The NMRA is an HO Scale organization.
N Scale is at best second class to them.



I do understand the economics of producing a custom car.  I wouldn't want to tie
up my dollars in doing an N Scale car.  Realistically a HO Scale car would be
welcomed by more members than an N Scale car.  If they had to do one car, it
would be HO.

I don't think it should be a great surprise there was no N Scale car.



I belong to the NMRA.  I accept that on a national level they are HO slanted. 
My division has quite a few N Scalers as members their participation is high.  I
participate locally, not nationally.



I don't understand why Brett would leave the scale over these types of
statements.  Did he leave N to go to another scale?  Did he leave HO to come
here?  If he left N, why is still on this group?

Not trying to start anything, just don't understand the post.



Pete S



--- In n_scale@yahoogroups .com, Brett Blanchard <amtrakeng@. ..> wrote:

>

> Well, as an N scaler, I can say you should not have sent that letter. Thanks
for embarrassing us yet again. It's people like you that have made me decide to
leave the scale..."ho scale good old boys club?" Are you frickin' out of your
mind ??

>

>

>

>

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On behalf of us here in Lincoln, NE N Scalers of the Lincoln Area Model
Railroaders we convey our condolenses to his family and close friends, with the
ringing of a bell in his honor. Rich Goemann Sr.




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When I joined the N.M.R.A.in the 1980's eventhough they were HO -Centric,they
recognized N in a large way. Our N Trac club then the Utah N Rail Modelers went
to the 1987 Eugene,Oregon show. This was way before there was a N Scale
Collectors Orginazation and N Trak had two conventions a year East Coast and
West,and these conventions were held a day before the N.M.R.A. National
Convention and provided a layout or layouts in the vendor disp;ay area at the
show.Our layout was part of a larger one that featured the optional Mountain
Division Green Line trackage. There was a second layout of N Trak that did not
have the extra mountain track. The N.M.R.A. gave out convention cars to all who
registered or displayed layouts. There were both HO & N cars. The N car for 1987
was an MT Wood Caboose on Yellow with "Full Steam to Eugene" markings. Untill
the early 1990's it appears that HO & N cars were offered. When train sets were
offered for the first time I do not know. With the economy like it is it would
be natural to save money and not do an N car. Nate Goodman (Nato). Salt
Lake,Utah.                      
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I just received news that Pliny Holt passed away this morning:

Hey Alex - I have sad news to report - CAPT Holt passed away peacefully in his
sleep around 5:00 this morning.  He is at peace now - the last few days he was
very weak and unable to communicate much.  It will be some months before he can
be interred at Arlington with full military honors.
-------------

Pliny was a Master Model Railroader and his N scale layout was featured in
several magazines over the years. His layout featured the Oakland (CA) mole and
ferry dock. It was open to visitors during layout tours. He was a mentor to me
(when I lived in his area) as well as other young modelers. If you would like
more info about Pliny (his life or the funeral service) please drop me a line
and I'll pass on info. I haven't checked for an obit online, I suspect it will
be a few days before it is posted... He was 99 years young.
-alex-
Alex M. Postpischil
Winston-Salem, NC

I happened to stop by the Island Modelworks website the other day and was
surprised to find that he has added a number of new N-scale models to his
offerings.  I may have missed their announcement and if I have I do
apologize for repeating them here but I thought that they are worth noting.
The models all deal with Northeast commuter operations and with some work
should provide for some interesting operations.

Here is a list of what is new... all are $24.95 a piece except as noted.
#1608    MBTA Bombardier multi-level cab car
#1609    MBTA Bombardier multi-level coach
#1611    MNCR/NJT Bombardier "Comet V" cab car
#1612    MNCR/NJT Bombardier "Comet V" cab car
#1618    LIRR "M1" m.u. coach  $49.99/pair
#1621    EL/DL&W heavyweight m.u. coach
#1622    NJT Bombardier multi-level cab car
#1623    NJT Bombardier multi-level coach

For folks modeling modern NE operations this should be good news, since some
very unique cars are now possible, albeit with some work.  And there are
some other cars that could be of equal interest available in HO that he
might consider offering in N if enough interest is there.  Cars include MARC
single and multi-level cab cars and coaches, Silverliner IIs, and NH
Washboard m.u. cars.  If interested do contact him about them.

Here's a link to his site...
http://islandmodelworks.com/
--
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<jmlaboda@...>

I hate getting old... I have learned a lot of things, I just can't remember
much of it anymore.

Passenger Car Photo Index  -  UPDATED 12/14/08 WITH OVER 6250 NEW LINKS
ADDED!!!
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I've been an N scaler since the very early 1970's, and an NMRA member
since 1973 or '74.  I attended my first NMRA convention in San Diego in
'74, and have been going to them off and on since then (more off than on,
due to locations and date & vacation conflicts).  There's always been a
lot there to interest me, although seldom very much specifically in N
scale (and that's been changing in recent years with an increasing N scale
presence in the contests, the National Train Show, and the home layout
tours).

The convention organizers can't always afford to do N special collector's
items, a case in point being Ft. Lauderdale in 2002 - they announced
matching HO and N trainsets (no O or G, sorry large-scalers), but had to
cancel the N when they didn't get enough people signing up to buy it.  I
had prepaid for the N train as part of my package membership, and they
refunded the cost of the train in Company Store vouchers (I could have had
cash if I'd wanted it).  They have to be able to sell what they have
custom-made, and if there isn't enough perceived interest, then they have
to skip that special run.

There are, however, always souvenirs - it may only be that year's
convention patch or something similar, but there's always something (you
can also find the remaining Heritage N scale cars in the Company Store).

I've met a lot of fellow NMRA members over the years, locally, regionally,
and nationally, and I have _never_ gotten the impression it's an "HO good
old boys club".  Most of the emphasis is on HO, of course, because that's
the scale most of the members are in, but there are plenty of "minority"
larger and smaller scale participants, too.  And plenty of "minority"
scale standards, gauges, articles, clinics, etc., too.  If you're not
finding N scale content in the NMRA, you're not looking.  And it's the
National "Model Railroad" Association, not the National "specific scale"
Association - it is intended to, and pretty well does, cover everybody in
model railroading.

I'll be in Milwaukee in July, for sure.

M2CW,
Rich

Nice video, thanks for sharing. Just how big is you layout?

Jim

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I was not embarassed by the letter.  The NMRA is an HO Scale organization.  N
Scale is at best second class to them.

I do understand the economics of producing a custom car.  I wouldn't want to tie
up my dollars in doing an N Scale car.  Realistically a HO Scale car would be
welcomed by more members than an N Scale car.  If they had to do one car, it
would be HO.
I don't think it should be a great surprise there was no N Scale car.

I belong to the NMRA.  I accept that on a national level they are HO slanted. 
My division has quite a few N Scalers as members their participation is high.  I
participate locally, not nationally.

I don't understand why Brett would leave the scale over these types of
statements.  Did he leave N to go to another scale?  Did he leave HO to come
here?  If he left N, why is still on this group?
Not trying to start anything, just don't understand the post.

Pete S



--- In n_scale@yahoogroups.com, Brett Blanchard <amtrakeng@...> wrote:
>
> Well, as an N scaler, I can say you should not have sent that letter. Thanks
for embarrassing us yet again. It's people like you that have made me decide to
leave the scale..."ho scale good old boys club?" Are you frickin' out of your
mind ??
>
>
>
>
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>

That LED lighting kit is REALLY nice as well... also an OTT light (or one of the
million knock-offs) are essential -- 54 and still N scale...

Dave

--- On Sun, 1/3/10, Brian Hilgenberg <ontario_and_erie@...> wrote:

From: Brian Hilgenberg <ontario_and_erie@...>
Subject: [n_scale] Re: N-scale choice
To: n_scale@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, January 3, 2010, 7:05 AM







 









       >>I am only 44 years old but I am already having trouble seeing things and
holding on to stuff, but I will prevail.<<



Greg,

  Get yourself an Opti-visor.  My 52-year old eyes couldn't do N-scale with out
it!



Brian Hilgenberg

























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has any manufactorer made and n scale california surfliner?????

thanks

mike

I've made a lot of my own containers. The problem with painting your own is the
decal sets, you can't do many containers with them. The APL Microscale can only
do a few and I think it is the same with K-Line. Unless you want to do them
in plain colors it can get expensive anyway.
 
Stu
 
--- On Mon, 1/4/10, traveler@... <traveler@...> wrote:


From: traveler@... <traveler@...>
Subject: Re: [n_scale] wanted N scale Containers for double stacks
To: n_scale@yahoogroups.com, "santafe1978" <santafe1978@...>
Date: Monday, January 4, 2010, 9:09 AM


 



MIke - There is a seller on ebay "savonart" who markets theses in the form of
Resin castings in large lots, various lengths, and very reasonable, but you have
to paint and decal them - I have purchased a bunch from him over the years, and
have been very satisfied wilth them. One advantage also is they are a bit
heavier than the hollow containers that some suppliers offer in finished form

Tom

----- Original Message -----
From: santafe1978
To: n_scale@yahoogroups .com
Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 12:13 AM
Subject: [n_scale] wanted N scale Containers for double stacks

Does anyone have a large ammount of containers that they would be interested in
selling. i am looking for all differant names and lenghts. 20 through 48. I have
a ton of maxi double stack cars and i need a ton of containers to fill them. Or
if anyone knows of a good place to purchase them from let me know.
Thanks

mike

Michael_seelye@ msn.com

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Paul - Your comments about the wrong scale souvenirs are well taken - years ago
when I was an NMRA member and attended the conventions faithfully, I always
bought one of every scale - many times they would have one in O,HO & N and it
was neat to have them in each scale and display them.

Tom


   ----- Original Message -----
   From: PaulMmn
   To: trainman285 ; n_scale@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 9:55 PM
   Subject: Re: [n_scale] NMRA 75th Convention



   Ed--

   I was going to research all sorts of numbers-- such as typical
   attendance (1200 during a very good year), costs of putting a custom
   car together, etc., with the goal of showing what it would cost to
   make a custom car, and what the potential sales might be.

   Then I had a burst of insight-- What do the poor O-Scale and Z-Scale
   modelers do? And I know Mike Brestel -is- one of the O-Scalers!

   Our local NMRA division has issued several custom cars as a fund
   raiser over the past several years (I think we've produced over 10
   unique cars). All of them in HO. And I have one of most of them,
   even though I model in N-scale.

   I bought them to support the club, not because they'll be running on
   my layout. If anything they'll be on an exhibit shelf around the
   (future) layout room.

   Yes, it would be nice to have an N-scale souvenir, but I have no real
   issue with a souvenir in the wrong scale!

   --Paul E Musselman
   PaulMmn@...

   ps-- It would be possible to have the cars made and make them
   available to the public (ie non-convention attendees)-- but based on
   the car sales from my local NMRA division, this is usually a
   year-long project-- maybe longer. That's a long time to have your
   capital tied up. Let's not get into a discussion about how you just
   need to 'seed' the first round of cars and after that they'll be
   self-supporting (more or less). You're going to need a long-term
   "company store" to deal with the cars. Is it realistic to 'assume'
   the headquarters in Chattanooga will be the store of choice?




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Your explanation was fine, up until you started to attack Ed. Your first
paragraph was quite sufficient, made sense and was all that was necessary to
make the point, and that's where you should have stopped.  Nothing was said
about an effort not being made - the writer was only closing the door on a
potential excuse which probably would have been offered (or maybe WAS offered by
the NMRA Member that HE spoke to).  Yes, one could interpret it as an inference,
I suppose if you wanted to nit-pick but now you are doing the very same thing by
assuming that Ed did not get the facts -  but then you do your share don't you,
(applause please) and the rest of us have not??????!!!!!!
No, don't preach to me about how great the NMRA is for N scale and how wonderful
and intelligent you are to recognize that (I guess it is fair for me to make an
assumption also) - I don't even want to get started.


Tom McKenna - former NMRA member and 40+ year N scaler who has been there, and
who has witnessed first hand how N scale has been treated by the NMRA when it
comes to their conventions (and otherwise) - despite the fact that for years,
the N Track Layout was the biggest drawing card they had for public exposure.





   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Marv
   To: trainman285
   Cc: n_scale@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 6:22 PM
   Subject: Re: [n_scale] NMRA 75th Convention



   Ed, and n_scale members, The NMRA /could/ find a manufacturer to produce
   an N scale convention car (and other scales). The decision to not offer
   an N scale car was that in previous years (including Detroit) money was
   lost on offering an N scale car. Consistently N scale (and other scales)
   car offerings have not sold enough product to show a profit. The
   decision has nothing to do with any other reason than that.

   I was a member of the Detroit 2007 Great Lakes Express convention so I
   know the process. I do my share of back and forth with NMRA officers to
   learn the facts and stay aware of developments.
   Your argument that effort was not made to find a manufacture is not valid.

   An NMRA member AND an N scaler, Marv Linke

   trainman285 wrote:
   > I debated posting this on this site as I do not want to start another NMRA
flame war but wanted to let everyone know that the NMRA has not seen fit to
offer an N scale (or any other scale) convention car at this convention. I sent
to following to Michael Brestel, the NMRA president:
   >
   > I have been a member of the NMRA for quite some time and try to attend every
other convention. I always enjoy them and have a great time at these
conventions. I had planned to start working on several achievement certificates
in the near future. I also model in N scale and as president of my N scale club
always put a positive spin on the NMRA and the benefits of membership in the
organization. I publish the clubs newsletter and several 'Soap Box' editorials
have included my positive input on the NMRA. I usually get the same replies from
members who do not belong....the NMRA is just a good old boys HO club. I try to
show that not is the case but you now have made my case much harder to prove.
   >
   > At the Detroit Convention I signed up for the 75th Anniversary Hiawatha
Club. As such I received my package early and the price also included the shirt
and the convention car. Imaging my surprise as I was going thru the package to
find that there was only a single scale convention car being offered....HO of
course. I did have a choice though....take it or leave it! With all of the
excellent manufacturers out there I find it difficult to believe /that the
convention committee could not find one of them willing to make an N scale
convention car (or other scales for that matter) especially considering this is
the 75th Anniversary of the NMRA./ Since I represent the NMRA to those who are
not members how do I explain this situation when one of the members invokes the
good old boy HO club line? Not only have you put me in a tight corner but I am
beginning to think that perhaps they are right and I am wrong and your decision
to not have other scales represented in the convention car selection only adds
fuel to that fire.
   >
   > The bottom line is that I have already invested a fair amount of money in
registering for the convention and would lose some of it if I cancelled now
however, I am seriously going to reconsider my affiliation with the NMRA after
the convention and will spend my limited hobby dollars elsewhere.
   >
   > As Ricky Ricardo used to say to Lucille Ball......"Mikey, you got some
'splainin to do!
   >
   >
   > It'll be interesting to see if I get a reply.
   >
   > Ed
   >
   >
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   --
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   Director- North Central Region, NMRA
   Webmaster- Division Eight, NCR http://div8.ncr-nmra.org/
   Member South Oakland County Model Railroad Club
   Webmaster- South Oakland County Model Railroad Club http://socmrrc.org/
   Member National Model Railroad Association
   N Scaler- The SouthWestern Railroad
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MIke - There is a seller on ebay "savonart" who markets theses in the form of
Resin castings in large lots, various lengths, and very reasonable, but you have
to paint and decal them - I have purchased a bunch from him over the years, and
have been very satisfied wilth them.  One advantage also is they are a bit
heavier than the hollow containers that some suppliers offer in finished form

Tom



   ----- Original Message -----
   From: santafe1978
   To: n_scale@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 12:13 AM
   Subject: [n_scale] wanted N scale Containers for double stacks



   Does anyone have a large ammount of containers that they would be interested
in selling. i am looking for all differant names and lenghts. 20 through 48. I
have a ton of maxi double stack cars and i need a ton of containers to fill
them. Or if anyone knows of a good place to purchase them from let me know.
   Thanks

   mike

   Michael_seelye@...





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This is not the answer you're looking for...

If you need large stacks of containers for background use, search for
paper container templates--  there have been several "print'n'fold"
designs offered in the past several years!

--Paul E Musselman
PaulMmn@...




At 5:13 AM +0000 1/4/10, santafe1978 wrote:
>Does anyone have a large ammount of containers that they would be
>interested in selling.  i am looking for all differant names and
>lenghts.  20 through 48.   I have a ton of maxi double stack cars
>and i need a ton of containers to fill them.  Or if anyone knows of
>a good place to purchase them from let me know.
>Thanks
>
>mike
>
>Michael_seelye@...

Thanks for sharing your work, I enjoyed watching the video clips of your NdeM
trains.
Michael Bishop




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Ed, and n_scale members, The NMRA /could/ find a manufacturer to produce
an N scale convention car (and other scales). The decision to not offer
an N scale car was that in previous years (including Detroit) money was
lost on offering an N scale car. Consistently N scale (and other scales)
car offerings have not sold enough product to show a profit. The
decision has nothing to do with any other reason than that.

I was a member of the Detroit 2007 Great Lakes Express convention so I
know the process. I do my share of back and forth with NMRA officers to
learn the facts and stay aware of developments.
Your argument that effort was not made to find a manufacture is not valid.

An NMRA member AND an N scaler, Marv Linke

trainman285 wrote:
> I debated posting this on this site as I do not want to start another NMRA
flame war but wanted to let everyone know that the NMRA has not seen fit to
offer an N scale (or any other scale) convention car at this convention. I sent
to following to Michael Brestel, the NMRA president:
>
> I have been a member of the NMRA for quite some time and try to attend every
other convention. I always enjoy them and have a great time at these
conventions. I had planned to start working on several achievement certificates
in the near future. I also model in N scale and as president of my N scale club
always put a positive spin on the NMRA and the benefits of membership in the
organization. I publish the clubs newsletter and several 'Soap Box' editorials
have included my positive input on the NMRA.  I usually get the same replies
from members who do not belong....the NMRA is just a good old boys HO club. I
try to show that not is the case but you now have made my case much harder to
prove.
>
> At the Detroit Convention I signed up for the 75th Anniversary Hiawatha Club.
As such I received my package early and the price also included the shirt and
the convention car. Imaging my surprise as I was going thru the package to find
that there was only a single scale convention car being offered....HO of course.
I did have a choice though....take it or leave it!  With all of the excellent
manufacturers out there I find it difficult to believe /that the convention
committee could not find one of them willing to make an N scale convention car
(or other scales for that matter) especially considering this is the 75th
Anniversary of the NMRA./ Since I represent the NMRA to those who are not
members how do I explain this situation when one of the members invokes the good
old boy HO club line? Not only have you put me in a tight corner but I am
beginning to think that perhaps they are right and I am wrong and your decision
to not have other scales represented in the convention car selection only adds
fuel to that fire.
>
> The bottom line is that I have already invested a fair amount of money in
registering for the convention and would lose some of it if I cancelled now
however, I am seriously going to reconsider my affiliation with the NMRA after
the convention and will spend my limited hobby dollars elsewhere.
>
> As Ricky Ricardo used to say to Lucille Ball......"Mikey, you got some
'splainin to do!
>
>
> It'll be interesting to see if I get a reply.
>
> Ed
>
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Marv Linke
Director- North Central Region, NMRA
Webmaster- Division Eight, NCR   http://div8.ncr-nmra.org/
Member  South Oakland County Model Railroad Club
Webmaster- South Oakland County Model Railroad Club   http://socmrrc.org/
Member  National Model Railroad Association
N Scaler- The SouthWestern Railroad
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Does anyone have a large ammount of containers that they would be interested in
selling.  i am looking for all differant names and lenghts.  20 through 48.   I
have a ton of maxi double stack cars and i need a ton of containers to fill
them.  Or if anyone knows of a good place to purchase them from let me know.
Thanks

mike

Michael_seelye@...

Ed--

I was going to research all sorts of numbers--  such as typical
attendance (1200 during a very good year), costs of putting a custom
car together, etc., with the goal of showing what it would cost to
make a custom car, and what the potential sales might be.

Then I had a burst of insight--  What do the poor O-Scale and Z-Scale
modelers do?  And I know Mike Brestel -is- one of the O-Scalers!

Our local NMRA division has issued several custom cars as a fund
raiser over the past several years (I think we've produced over 10
unique cars).  All of them in HO.  And I have one of most of them,
even though I model in N-scale.

I bought them to support the club, not because they'll be running on
my layout.  If anything they'll be on an exhibit shelf around the
(future) layout room.

Yes, it would be nice to have an N-scale souvenir, but I have no real
issue with a souvenir in the wrong scale!

--Paul E Musselman
PaulMmn@...



ps-- It would be possible to have the cars made and make them
available to the public (ie non-convention attendees)-- but based on
the car sales from my local NMRA division, this is usually a
year-long project-- maybe longer.  That's a long time to have your
capital tied up.  Let's not get into a discussion about how you just
need to 'seed' the first round of cars and after that they'll be
self-supporting (more or less).  You're going to need a long-term
"company store" to deal with the cars.  Is it realistic to 'assume'
the headquarters in Chattanooga will be the store of choice?

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I went to my first NMRA convention in Hartford, all the hoopla, I was not
the least
impressed with it., The Big E has more value for the dollar and always
will, also
they did not have one single souvenir we could buy, not one!, not smart on
their
part.
I will not go to another NMRA convention again.
Regards
Mark


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Well, as an N scaler, I can say you should not have sent that letter. Thanks for
embarrassing us yet again. It's people like you that have made me decide to
leave the scale..."ho scale good old boys club?" Are you frickin' out of your
mind ??




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Does anyone have a Minitrix U28C handrail set that would be willing to sell,
trade or donate to a good home?  My shell is running around naked without them. 
If you do please email me at igoldberg1@....

        Thanks
         Ira

Not strictly true.  Just about any DCC decoder can run on analog if bit 3 of
CV29 is set.

DCC decoder default settings of CV29=6 support analog operation.

Doug Stuard

--- In n_scale@yahoogroups.com, "Richard G" <richracer58@...> wrote:
>
> If you want the engine to run on DC you will have to install a dual mode
decoder in it. Then you can run it on DCC or DC>
> Rich Gould
>

Dale,
I use both Code 55 and 40 weathered flex. Prior to installation, I flip the
track upside down and file a shallow groove across the base of each rail with a
small triangular file, flux and solder short feeders perpendicular to the rail.
I like this approach because once ballasted, the feeders are virtually invisible
and the groove improves the physical qualities of the joint. I do this on
virtually every piece of track to make sure I have solid connectivity.
Regards, Otto Kroutil
Modeling Cajon Pass in N scale circa 1950


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