That sounds good to me, it would be even better if we found another
sucker, er I mean ducker to split the cost. No matter on that though,
I say woohoo let's do it! Extra sailing, extra camping and exploring.
Tx. 240 here we come!

On 1/6/10, jasonnabors2000 <jasonnabors@...> wrote:
> Well here is the deal.I went looking for cheaper prices but nothing doing.So
> here is the layout.
> 10 foot truck will hold 3 PDRs 255.00 for the truck.A 14 foot truck is
> $17.00 more.It is 250 miles from port lavaca to port isabel where we would
> leave the truck.We could be down there on a little over half a tank of gas.
> it will run us about $200.00 each for the truck rental and fuel for the
> trip.
> The only catch is the uhaul place in port lavaca is not open sunday so that
> has us picking it up on saturday instead of sunday.Which is fine by me.A
> little extra sailing and exploring,camping time would be awesome.
> what ya think kevin.
>
>
>

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Rich,
 
My employer, DuPont, had a one-time-only, take-it-now-or-leave-it early
retirement offer in 1985 when I was a lad of 51.  The pot was sweetened with
added years of service and age to encourage people to leave.  I had a good job
as a manager with a six-figure income, but I was tired of the corporate
scene,and though it was early for us from a personal standpoint, with kids still
on the payroll, we took it.
 
I had a hard time finding another job, but did some work as a management
consultant (most of it free for small businesses).  A friend eventually offered
me a job running a psch hospital in Naples FL, (unusual job for an engineer) and
after that in NC I worked as a Real Estate Broker and Contractor.  When Social
Security kicked in at 62, that made a big difference, and I was able to spend
more time building small boats and less time working.
 
I said all that to say this.  Retire if you can make it financially.  If you
have marketable skills that can be used for part-time or self employment, that
will help.  Social Security is not a lot, but it helps, if the government
doesn't go broke first.  There is a whole world out there of interesting things
to do, like building and sailing PDRs, and other things of interest, which in my
case is Bible Studies.
 
Jim B in TN
 
 
--- On Wed, 1/6/10, wardofthestates <wardofthestates@...> wrote:


From: wardofthestates <wardofthestates@...>
Subject: [pdracer] Re: Off Topic / Early retirement and boat building
To: pdracer@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, January 6, 2010, 7:00 AM


 





This really is my present conundrum. I'm 58. I have 22.5 years 'in.' I'll retire
either at 62 or 67, when I have either 25 or 30 pensionable years. Those last
five years make a big difference in pension payout, though I won't go hungry
either way. The biggest problem, though, is that I like my job! It'll never make
me rich, but it is both endlessly interesting, and satisfying on several levels.
What I cannot do, is go part time. I'm in or I'm out. Given that we're such a
bright and eclectic group, I would like some opinions on the paths in front of
me. Thanks. - rich

--- In pdracer@yahoogroups .com, erik ohlson <ohlsonmh@.. .> wrote:
>
> If you can possibly see your way clear to retire - DO IT!!
>
> I retired at 62 at the end of 1998 & haven't regretted it for a single minute!
>
> Work sucks - not so much the job, but havng to be somewhere you don't want to
be....on someone elses's schedule.
>
> Go for it.
>
> -Oly
>
> He who hesitates is not only lost, he's miles from the next exit.
>
>
> --- On Tue, 1/5/10, haffdaddy <haffdaddy@. ..> wrote:
>
> From: haffdaddy <haffdaddy@. ..>
> Subject: [pdracer] Re: Off Topic / Early retirement and boat building
> To: pdracer@yahoogroups .com
> Date: Tuesday, January 5, 2010, 4:20 PM
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but he hadn't worked for a few years. We both use to work for an international
hobby store. The places was sold and moved to north- west Texas, so that door
closed. The new owner did offer us both jobs, without pay. Yes it seems that we
were suppose hold down full time job's and then put in 8 hrs for free. Something
about doing it for the hobby, yes um Mr. Boss man.
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>
> I new a fellow that had a stoke and spent his last days tied to a wheel chair.
He use to tell me he was born in Torrance (California) , went to school, worked,
got married, got a house, lived, retired and now. After he told me list I took a
vacation and maybe I'm still on that vacation and maybe I'll always be on that
vacation.
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>
> It's time to put on the white collar and grab the good book and tell people
God loves them just the way they are. No need to work yourself into the grave,
Stop look around and see all that God has made for you. A Jesus said, stop and
watch the birds. Maybe just build a sail boat and go sailing, God would be happy
with you..
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John,
The simple answer is that.....what you did to the leach made it slightly
shorter.
What made it shorter? If you sewed it, the tension on the thread made
each stitch a 1/128th of an inch shorter.
If you used tape the same thing occurs with each little wrinkle that you
tape or sew over.  I intentionally do it on the luff and foot.
johninbastrop

On Wed, 06 Jan 2010 06:40:33 -0000 "John" <johnfmonroe@...> writes:

Before I start my good sail I would like to know what causes the leach to
curl around like this so I can fix it. The leach has a 1" hollow on it.

John Monroe

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Thanks for all the good suggestions. I think I have information overload. I
suspect I'm over thinking this and really just need to get down and cut some
wood.

I know this is not going to go down well. How come no one seems to use polyester
resin? I know it isn't "waterproof" but most of the boats are painted any ways
and it cures a bit faster. I was thinking of 1/4" Luan all round and coating the
bottom with a layer of glass and poly resin and then tape the outside seems.

Paul

Hey Neetra,

There is an unsubscribe button at the bottom right of each message.
Following that, I presume, will do it.

On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 8:15 AM, neetra <neetra@...> wrote:

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Greg,
 
I build a lot of my boat parts on one of those 8 ft plastic tables sold by Sam's
and others.  After many back aches, I built some risers to go under the four
legs, which raised the table enough to eliminate the back aches.
 
Jim B in TN

--- On Wed, 1/6/10, Greg Haff <haffdaddy@...> wrote:


From: Greg Haff <haffdaddy@...>
Subject: [pdracer] Re: Off topic / First day or one small step
To: "pdracer@yahoogroups.com" <pdracer@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Wednesday, January 6, 2010, 6:17 AM


 



Everything hurts. I'm to tall and the table was to short. Mobic is great for my
knees, but passes by my back with out stopping.
Need to take a few days off so i can rest, where is my back brace

Rev. Greg

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Well here is the deal.I went looking for cheaper prices but nothing doing.So
here is the layout.
10 foot truck will hold 3 PDRs 255.00 for the truck.A 14 foot truck is $17.00
more.It is 250 miles from port lavaca to port isabel where we would leave the
truck.We could be down there on a little over half a tank of gas.
it will run us about $200.00 each for the truck rental and fuel for the trip.
The only catch is the uhaul place in port lavaca is not open sunday so that has
us picking it up on saturday instead of sunday.Which is fine by me.A little
extra sailing and exploring,camping time would be awesome.
what ya think kevin.

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From: "Andrew Linn" <alinn@...>
To: <pdracer@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 9:06 PM
Subject: [pdracer] Properties of polytarp


>I made a statement earlier to the effect that I don't worry about which
> way the weave runs in a polytarp sail. I am basing this on experience
> and the Wikipedia entry which says that polytarp doesn't stretch much in
> any direction.
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_tarp
>
> I have had people tell me to use fiberglass reinforced tape in the hems
> of my sails to prevent stretching. I used to use 1/8 nylon line folded
> inside the hem until MIK said they needed to stretch a bit. MIK's own
> instructions go into detail about how the foot patch needs to be
> oriented properly before cutting it out.
>
> I think a lot of this info is holdover from other fabrics. I believe,
> but have found no direct conformation, that polytarp is made from a
> loosely woven polypropylene fibers sheet that is then sandwiched and
> bonded between 2 solid polypropylene sheets. These exterior sheets are
> then given a UV protective coating.
>
> IF my belief is true THEN it the warp/weft orientation makes no
> difference. I'd love to be proven wrong, but it is going to take proof,
> not just your word or opinion.
>
> And finally: The bonded poly fabric seems to come in sheets about 5 or
> 6ft wide, so any tarp wider than 6ft will have a seam running down it -
> where two sheets of tarp are bonded together. The one time I pay
> attention to orientation is during the initial layout of the sail: I
> make sure the leech of the sail runs along the lone side of the tarp.
> This way, these bond strips lay parallel to the leech and it looks nice.
> I also try to avoid making reinforcement patches out of tarp that has
> the seam.
>
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Howdy Gil,

Photo here
http://www.woodenboat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=99881

MIK

Howdy Gil,

A little hint
http://www.microcruising.com/Sketch1.htm

I know I have seen some better pics and sketches somewhere.

MIK

Howdy Gil,

Just keep plugging away under this thread and someone might be able to help.

I think the original idea came from Matt Leyden.

There are several links on this page.
http://www.microcruising.com/links.htm

MIK

--- In pdracer@yahoogroups.com, Gil Kolan <gilkolan@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Mik,
> I don't know why but my question about the arrangement of the reefing drum
> and down haul rope was over looked.
> Is there anywhere a drawing or good illustrated picture of the system?
> As I mentioned, I hate to re-invent the wheel.
> Thanks
> G i l
>
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Hi Mik,
I don't know why but my question about the arrangement of the reefing drum
and down haul rope was over looked.
Is there anywhere a drawing or good illustrated picture of the system?
As I mentioned, I hate to re-invent the wheel.
Thanks
G i l

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A whloe lot more unless I can get a freind to drive us from Maggie to S padre.

On 1/6/10, jasonnabors@... <jasonnabors@...> wrote:
> It would cost more and add more driving.
> Sent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry®
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gerard Mittelstaedt <mitt@...>
> Date: Wed, 06 Jan 2010 00:41:44
> To: <pdracer@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: Re: [pdracer] Show of hands
>
> Hi,
>   Why not get a big flatbed trailer and lash the boats on it... tow it
> down with a robust pickup truck?
>
> Gerard Mittelstaedt
> McAllen, TX
> USA
>
> jasonnabors@... wrote:
>> I am going to check and see if there are any cheaper places around there.
>> Maybe get a better deal if there is a RYDER or something.
>> Sent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry®
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Kevin Allison <kevinallison11@...>
>> Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 14:12:49
>> To: <pdracer@yahoogroups.com>
>> Subject: Re: [pdracer] Show of hands
>>
>> Yeah, I just checked out uhaul.com and the price from port lavaca to
>> south
>> padre for a 14 ft truck was 258. including 42. for the insurance so with
>> tax
>> that puts it about three hundred but we wouldnt need to go back to
>> victoria
>> as there is one in port lavaca. 10 miles to the gallon, 40 gal tank, 259
>> miles from lavaca to s.padre shouldnt be too bad. get the driving done
>> until
>> the end of the trip sounds good to me.
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 1:38 PM, <jasonnabors@...> wrote:
>>
>>> I looked it up it will cost 300.00 for the truck rental.it would have to
>>> be the smallest enclosed truck they have.they won't rent pick up trucks
>>> for
>>> out of town hauls.we could park at magnolia beach pick up the truck in
>>> victoria and then drive back to magnolia beach and load up the
>>> ducks.then
>>> drive to south padre where they have a uhaul rental there.I don't know
>>> what
>>> the fuel would cost us from magnolia beach to south padre.
>>>
>>> It is definately something to think about.we could head out get all the
>>> driving done sunday and start sailing monday morning and meet up with
>>> everyone monday afternoon at port mansfield.
>>>
>>> This would eliminate the drive to port M and back to maggy and back to
>>> port
>>> M on the shuttle.plus our rides would be there at the end of it all.
>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>
>>> From: Kevin Allison <kevinallison11@...>
>>>
>>> Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 13:10:26
>>>
>>> To: <pdracer@yahoogroups.com>
>>>
>>> Subject: Re: [pdracer] Show of hands
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Jason, still want to rent a truck and do an extra day? I'll throw in
>>> with
>>> ya
>>>
>>> and we can start Monday am and be there in the afternoon when everyone
>>> is
>>>
>>> just unpacking! lol
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 12:55 PM, jon s kowitz <jonskowitz@...
>>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> You know I am.
>>>> Already thinking of gear changes and stuff I'll need to make for the
>>> trip.
>>>
>>>>  At least I don't need to make the boat too (lol), though it needs a
>>>> bit
>>> of
>>>
>>>> patching here and there.
>>>> -Canvas tops or reef socks
>>>> -splash-proof bags (if not waterproof)
>>>> -waterproof camera (done)
>>>> -quicker drying clothing would be nice
>>>> -pocket attachments for PFD (too cheep to buy a new one when I have a
>>>> perfectly serviceble one)
>>>> -a servicable first aid kit that actually contains something useful
>>>> -300 to 400 feet of rope.
>>>> -a hand drill with a selection of wood screws
>>>> -camp hatchet or shingle hammer
>>>> -a few epoxy kits and some glass
>>>> =========================================================
>>>> "Hey, wait a minute.  Ewoks 30, Stormtroopers 1?  I want a rematch."
>>>> William Boykin during a discussion on the Battle of Endor, ROTJ
>>>> To: pdracer@yahoogroups.com
>>>> From: kevinallison11@...
>>>> Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 12:39:20 -0600
>>>> Subject: Re: [pdracer] Show of hands
>>>> Aye!
>>>> On 1/5/10, Andrew Linn <alinn@...> wrote:
>>>>> Ya'll are thinking "June 22 is over 6 months away. I don't need to
>>> start
>>>
>>>>> thinking about the TX200 until June 17."
>>>>> I don't know what lurks in your hearts, but that's not how I'd saddle
>>> my
>>>
>>>>> horse. (how many metaphors can YOU mix in a sentence?)
>>>>> So who all this thinking about 'Ducking this year?
>>>>> Andrew
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I suspect the normal sailmaker explanation would be that the leach is cut on the
bias.

I have sailed a number of boats with leaches cut on the threadline but the foot
left cut on the bias.

In general the leach would stay flat under sheeting loads but the bias cut foot
would curl up.

Andrew is a dude I listen to more carefully than many in this universe and he
might not agree (he has said so just a few posts ago) - and he is right - it
might be another reason.

Dave Gray who knows more about polytarp sails than most says it doesn't seem to
matter with heavier cloth, but the cloth in the photo looks pretty light.

Just recording what I have observed.  If I had some mechanism to explain WHY I
would feel more confident.

I am sitting here pulling at different angles on my woven cotton shirt.  If I
try to hold the material flat and pull along the threadline the cloth stretches
a little but remains fairly flat.  But pulling at 45 degrees to the threadline
and trying to keep it flat it breaks into heavy deep creases.

MIK

--- In pdracer@yahoogroups.com, "John" <johnfmonroe@...> wrote:
>
> Before I start my good sail I would like to know what causes the leach to curl
around like this so I can fix it. The leach has a 1" hollow on it.
>
> John Monroe
>
>
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pdracer/photos/album/1093988933/pic/1443000914/vie\
w?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=101&count=20&dir=asc
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It would cost more and add more driving.
Sent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry®

-----Original Message-----
From: Gerard Mittelstaedt <mitt@...>
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 2010 00:41:44
To: <pdracer@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [pdracer] Show of hands

Hi,
   Why not get a big flatbed trailer and lash the boats on it... tow it
down with a robust pickup truck?

Gerard Mittelstaedt
McAllen, TX
USA

jasonnabors@... wrote:
> I am going to check and see if there are any cheaper places around there.
> Maybe get a better deal if there is a RYDER or something.
> Sent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry®
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kevin Allison <kevinallison11@...>
> Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 14:12:49
> To: <pdracer@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: Re: [pdracer] Show of hands
>
> Yeah, I just checked out uhaul.com and the price from port lavaca to south
> padre for a 14 ft truck was 258. including 42. for the insurance so with tax
> that puts it about three hundred but we wouldnt need to go back to victoria
> as there is one in port lavaca. 10 miles to the gallon, 40 gal tank, 259
> miles from lavaca to s.padre shouldnt be too bad. get the driving done until
> the end of the trip sounds good to me.
>
> On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 1:38 PM, <jasonnabors@...> wrote:
>
>> I looked it up it will cost 300.00 for the truck rental.it would have to
>> be the smallest enclosed truck they have.they won't rent pick up trucks for
>> out of town hauls.we could park at magnolia beach pick up the truck in
>> victoria and then drive back to magnolia beach and load up the ducks.then
>> drive to south padre where they have a uhaul rental there.I don't know what
>> the fuel would cost us from magnolia beach to south padre.
>>
>> It is definately something to think about.we could head out get all the
>> driving done sunday and start sailing monday morning and meet up with
>> everyone monday afternoon at port mansfield.
>>
>> This would eliminate the drive to port M and back to maggy and back to port
>> M on the shuttle.plus our rides would be there at the end of it all.
>>
>> Sent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry®
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>>
>> From: Kevin Allison <kevinallison11@...>
>>
>> Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 13:10:26
>>
>> To: <pdracer@yahoogroups.com>
>>
>> Subject: Re: [pdracer] Show of hands
>>
>>
>>
>> Jason, still want to rent a truck and do an extra day? I'll throw in with
>> ya
>>
>> and we can start Monday am and be there in the afternoon when everyone is
>>
>> just unpacking! lol
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 12:55 PM, jon s kowitz <jonskowitz@...
>>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> You know I am.
>>> Already thinking of gear changes and stuff I'll need to make for the
>> trip.
>>
>>>  At least I don't need to make the boat too (lol), though it needs a bit
>> of
>>
>>> patching here and there.
>>> -Canvas tops or reef socks
>>> -splash-proof bags (if not waterproof)
>>> -waterproof camera (done)
>>> -quicker drying clothing would be nice
>>> -pocket attachments for PFD (too cheep to buy a new one when I have a
>>> perfectly serviceble one)
>>> -a servicable first aid kit that actually contains something useful
>>> -300 to 400 feet of rope.
>>> -a hand drill with a selection of wood screws
>>> -camp hatchet or shingle hammer
>>> -a few epoxy kits and some glass
>>> =========================================================
>>> "Hey, wait a minute.  Ewoks 30, Stormtroopers 1?  I want a rematch."
>>> William Boykin during a discussion on the Battle of Endor, ROTJ
>>> To: pdracer@yahoogroups.com
>>> From: kevinallison11@...
>>> Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 12:39:20 -0600
>>> Subject: Re: [pdracer] Show of hands
>>> Aye!
>>> On 1/5/10, Andrew Linn <alinn@...> wrote:
>>>> Ya'll are thinking "June 22 is over 6 months away. I don't need to
>> start
>>
>>>> thinking about the TX200 until June 17."
>>>> I don't know what lurks in your hearts, but that's not how I'd saddle
>> my
>>
>>>> horse. (how many metaphors can YOU mix in a sentence?)
>>>> So who all this thinking about 'Ducking this year?
>>>> Andrew
>>> --
>>> Sent from my mobile device
>>> Kevin M. Allison
>>> _________________________________________________________________
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The flame thingo is called carburising or something like that.  I know the new
WEST system flexible epoxy that can bond many more types of plastic than regular
epoxy does recommend carburising (if I am right with the word) by passing a
specific type of flame briefly over the surface.

Might be hard to do it over enough area to do a logo on polytarp.

Let me look ... here it is

"To flame treat a plastic surface, hold a propane
torch so the flame just touches the surface
andmove it across the surface at a rate of
12 or 16 inches per second. Keep the torch
movingandoverlapthepreviouspass slightly.
When done correctly, the surface will not discolor
or burn in any obvious way. This technique
oxidizes the surface and improves
adhesion. For best adhesion, bond to the surface
within 30 minutes of treatment."
http://westsystem.com/ss/assets/gflex/GluingplasticGflex.pdf

I think you would have to check it didn't reduce the strength of the polytarp.

MIK

--- In pdracer@yahoogroups.com, erik ohlson <ohlsonmh@...> wrote:
>
> This might be a good place to insert this little bit of "Wisdom" I picked up
from a printing equipment salesman on my flight back from Australia:

Congratulations. I have read somewhere that the first cut is the most difficult,
just because after that you realize you are really building a boat. Next steps
will be surelly easier, I hope.

Greetings from Tigre, Buenos Aires, Argentina.

EL MONO DE TIGRE

--- In pdracer@yahoogroups.com, "haffdaddy" <haffdaddy@...> wrote:
>
> Well I cut out the sides today. And things went well. I tried to remember
everything you folks have said, and your were right. Screwing the two sheets
together kept things in order. I even had a little help so my future deck
wouldn't slit. Screwing the plywood down on the old Ikea table also was a lot of
help. The table was a bit short and I sure felt it now in my back. But all in
all it was a good first day. Later the screw holes will be filled in with tooth
picks dipped in TB ll.
>
> Greg
> PS: I even times my sawing with the garner and his leaf blower.
>

haha ... Sorry, didn't pick up that it was cyano acrylate.

I know a bit.  My balsa strip canoe had the strips joined with the modelmaking
CA glues.  They were quite strong enought for quite strong handling loads but
really were not as strong as the uncut pieces of timber.

The hull was glassed in and out so there was not a lot of load on the CA.

Excited I cut a couple of pieces of cedar the same way and glued it and ...
didn't work.

So seems as if species might matter.  I stopped there.

MIK

--- In pdracer@yahoogroups.com, Paul Helbert <paul.helbert@...> wrote:
>
> Hot Stuff CA glues are way more expensive than epoxies. I learned about them
> from an instrument maker friend. I use it to mend my split heels. Wears out
> at about the same speed that healing takes place.  It might be useful for
> tacking things together until a fillet could be made, but it requires a
> fairly tight joint to work.
>
>
> --
> Paul Helbert
>
> Father of "The Canoe Guru" http://thecanoeguru.com/
>
>
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>

Howdy John, not saying the epoxy is ideal ... the autobody filler does have the
fast cure which is nice.

You can use 5 minute epoxy but it doesn't really work because it stays rubbery
for almost as long as normal epoxy.

So to be consistent within my building method I do any wood filling with epoxy. 
However once I move to paint I do use autobody filler if a small area.

With bigger boats or areas that might be wet long term the body filler is pretty
likely to swell by absorbing water.  It can't stick to epoxy either which means
it has to stick to wood or paint.

MIK

--- In pdracer@yahoogroups.com, "John" <johnfmonroe@...> wrote:
>
> Michael I have used tooth picks and glue and didn't like that very well for
filling holes and I mostly use thickened epoxy. But I have been drilling holes
and changing things so much on my boat that I have been filling holes with 2
part auto body putty that sets up in a few minutes and sands really easy. Mostly
I've been filling 1/4 to 3/8 inch holes. The stuff is cheap for about $7 a
quart. You wouldn't want to use it to strength hold anything.
>
> John Monroe
>
> --- In pdracer@yahoogroups.com, "boatmik" <storerm@> wrote:
> >
> > Howdy,
> >
> > It does depend how you are building the boat.  If you are already using
epoxy it is much faster to use the bag piping method with a medium thick mix (or
thickish if it is more vertical) of epoxy and put a blob of epoxy over the hole.
Don't smooth it down as it increases the surface area that needs to be sanded
> >
> > If only there was an alternative filler that was kind of liquid, stayed in
place and sanded well.  I would be thinking it would be possible to fill quite a
few holes per minute.
> >
> > Best wishes
> > Michael
> >
> > --- In pdracer@yahoogroups.com, "Paul" <ppez@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hey Andrew,
> > >
> > > In the construction of the Salem Electron you are using "tooth picks" to
fill the screw holes. What are you using for the tooth pics? 1/8" dowels? Do you
sharpen them at all?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Paul
> > >
> >
>

Hi El Mono,
So your frins know that your mssags will nvr use DEF?

MIK

--- In pdracer@yahoogroups.com, "EL MONO" <eduelizarraga@...> wrote:
>
> That`s a great phone! I carry mine in a little tupperware in a pocket of my
life jacket. Since it got wet one button doesn't work, luckilly not a number.
>
> EL MONO

This really is my present conundrum. I'm 58. I have 22.5 years 'in.' I'll retire
either at 62 or 67, when I have either 25 or 30 pensionable years. Those last
five years make a big difference in pension payout, though I won't go hungry
either way. The biggest problem, though, is that I like my job! It'll never make
me rich, but it is both endlessly interesting, and satisfying on several levels.
What I cannot do, is go part time. I'm in or I'm out. Given that we're such a
bright and eclectic group, I would like some opinions on the paths in front of
me. Thanks. - rich

--- In pdracer@yahoogroups.com, erik ohlson <ohlsonmh@...> wrote:
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> If you can possibly see your way clear to retire - DO IT!!
>
> I retired at 62 at the end of 1998 & haven't regretted it for a single minute!
>
> Work sucks - not so much the job, but havng to be somewhere you don't want to
be....on someone elses's schedule.
>
> Go for it.
>
> -Oly
>
> He who hesitates is not only lost, he's miles from the next exit.
>
>
> --- On Tue, 1/5/10, haffdaddy <haffdaddy@...> wrote:
>
> From: haffdaddy <haffdaddy@...>
> Subject: [pdracer] Re: Off Topic /  Early retirement and boat building
> To: pdracer@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Tuesday, January 5, 2010, 4:20 PM
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early, but he hadn't worked for a few years. We both use to work for an
international hobby store. The places was sold and moved to north- west Texas,
so that door closed. The new owner did offer us both jobs, without pay. Yes it
seems that we were suppose hold down full time job's and then put in 8 hrs for
free. Something about doing it for the hobby, yes um Mr. Boss man.
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> I new a fellow that had a stoke and spent his last days tied to a wheel chair.
He use to tell me he was born in Torrance (California) , went to school, worked,
got married, got a house, lived, retired and now. After he told me list I took a
vacation and maybe I'm still on that vacation and maybe I'll always be on that
vacation.
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> It's time to put on the white collar and grab the good book and tell people
God loves them just the way they are. No need to work yourself into the grave,
Stop look around and see all that God has made for you. A Jesus said, stop and
watch the birds. Maybe just build a sail boat and go sailing, God would be happy
with you..
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Howdy,

How about cutting some strips of polytarp.

Some along the threadline and some on the bias ... the strips cut to the same
width.  Maybe a couple of inches wide.
Someone might be in the situation to test this.

However a simple qualitative test can be done just by manually pulling a piece
of polytarp and feeling the difference between pulling in different directions. 
Sometimes you can just feel it.

The next might flash back a couple of years ago when everyone was doing
experimenting but quantitative testing would go something like this.

Cut ribbons of polytarp about 2" wide quite long.  Maybe five along the
threadline and five on the bias.

They need to be much longer than the 200mm (or whatever)distance (gage distance)
marked to measure so the knots don't distort the marked area.  Draw two lines
200mm apart or some convenient distance.

With Engineering tests the distance you have to keep the jaws from the gage is
normally 6 to 10 times the width or diameter of the test piece.  so the closest
a knot can go to the ends of the gage piece should be 20" for a 2" wide ribbon.

Mark a bucket with roughly half quarter and three quarter marks.

Hang the bucket off the strips in turn.  Fill it one quarter and measure the
distance between the marks.  then half, then three quarters then full. 
REcording each distance.

Then cut the ribbon to remove the bucket and measure the distance again to see
if there is permanent stretch.  Record that as well.

Different width strips could be tried.

The weakness of the method is we don't know what the loads are on the sail and
how they relate to the bucket loads, but it should identify whether it stretches
more along the bias or the threadline.

There is supposed to be some difference between the two threadlines too as one
is the warp - straight threads and the other is the weft - the threads that go
up and down.

MIK

--- In pdracer@yahoogroups.com, Andrew Linn <alinn@...> wrote:
>
> I made a statement earlier to the effect that I don't worry about which
> way the weave runs in a polytarp sail. I am basing this on experience
> and the Wikipedia entry which says that polytarp doesn't stretch much in
> any direction.
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_tarp
>
> I have had people tell me to use fiberglass reinforced tape in the hems
> of my sails to prevent stretching. I used to use 1/8 nylon line folded
> inside the hem until MIK said they needed to stretch a bit. MIK's own
> instructions go into detail about how the foot patch needs to be
> oriented properly before cutting it out.
>
> I think a lot of this info is holdover from other fabrics. I believe,
> but have found no direct conformation, that polytarp is made from a
> loosely woven polypropylene fibers sheet that is then sandwiched and
> bonded between 2 solid polypropylene sheets. These exterior sheets are
> then given a UV protective coating.
>
> IF my belief is true THEN it the warp/weft orientation makes no
> difference. I'd love to be proven wrong, but it is going to take proof,
> not just your word or opinion.
>
> And finally: The bonded poly fabric seems to come in sheets about 5 or
> 6ft wide, so any tarp wider than 6ft will have a seam running down it -
> where two sheets of tarp are bonded together. The one time I pay
> attention to orientation is during the initial layout of the sail: I
> make sure the leech of the sail runs along the lone side of the tarp.
> This way, these bond strips lay parallel to the leech and it looks nice.
> I also try to avoid making reinforcement patches out of tarp that has
> the seam.
>

Too many Pauls?

It is OK providing they don't gang up and eject the rest of us!  Or form a
splinter group.

MIK

--- In pdracer@yahoogroups.com, "flyingfrog55" <flyingfrog55@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> Hey ..
> thanx ... good info .. right what I am weighing right now ...
> [I have never ran into so many 'Pauls' in one place! ..
> maybe need to start a club ... secret hand shakes and hats]
> Paul [the 'Boucher' one] ...
> 'Bohemian Boat Builder'
>
> --- In pdracer@yahoogroups.com, James Brown <whitedove0215@> wrote:
> >
> > Paul,
> >  
> > I have not had good luck with lauan in the past, as it quickly rotted out
the crappy middle ply when just a little of the edge had the epoxy sanded off. 
Also the bow transom on my Bolger Nymph was very weak, and cracked with a minor
impact on a piling.  Perhaps the lauan we got was different from the stuff
others seem to use successfully.  Maybe it was the heat and humidity in NC vs
other areas.  Maybe I am just too prejudiced against it because I want my boat
to be strong and serviceable, and last a long time..
> >  
> > I prefer 1/4 ply, and I used the B/C pine because it had no voids, and was
better quality than the A/C fir available locally, though it required some
sanding to get rid of the fuzz. It is fine for the bottom, even with my 260#
butt in there. Then too, I used the MIK 3 coats epoxy wet on everything, so it
is absolutely bulletproof.  The pine is definitely heavier that the fir, and
much heavier than the lauan.  I have never found any 1/8 ply available either
here in TN, or in NC.  The only 1/8 I could get would be Okoume sent in by
truck: expensive stuff.
> >  
> > My 8" side tanks don't need any internal framing other than the 3/4 sq pine
on the top edges to glue & screw to..  King Kong could ride on them.
> >  
> > Jim B in TN
> >  
> > --- On Tue, 1/5/10, Paul <ppez@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: Paul <ppez@>
> > Subject: [pdracer] Re: Salem Electron Questions
> > To: pdracer@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Tuesday, January 5, 2010, 2:39 PM
> > ===================================================
>
> > Thanks Andrew and Jim for the insights.
> > ...
>
> > ... would probably have some insight to this as well. I'm thinking about
going with "3 sheets" design, http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/pdracer/
photos/album/ 1443828123/ pic/list, 14" sides 8" air boxes.
> >
> > He uses 1/4 AC ply all around. I was going to use 1/4 luan for the tops and
3/8 pine for the bottom.
> >
> > 1. Scott doesn't seem to use and frames inside the air boxes. Is this
because the pine is a bit stronger?
> >
> > 2. Do you think the luan would hold up sitting on the tops? I'm just over
200lb and would like to have a 6 and 4 year old I'm planning on dragging with me
at time.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Paul
>

Howdy Greg,

The other members of the forum have done much more work on alternative glues
than I have.

I would feel confident of materials that full size aircraft builders are using. 
Model loads can be of quite a different scale with fewer maintenance issues.

Best wishes
Michael



--- In pdracer@yahoogroups.com, "haffdaddy" <haffdaddy@...> wrote:
>
> Michael: How about using that "Hot Stuff CA" glue people use for building RC
model aircraft. It comes in fast and slow setting and thin
> and medium.
> Greg
>
>
> --- In pdracer@yahoogroups.com, "boatmik" <storerm@> wrote:
> >
> > Howdy,
> >
> > It does depend how you are building the boat.  If you are already using
epoxy it is much faster to use the bag piping method with a medium thick mix (or
thickish if it is more vertical) of epoxy and put a blob of epoxy over the hole.
Don't smooth it down as it increases the surface area that needs to be sanded
> >
> > If only there was an alternative filler that was kind of liquid, stayed in
place and sanded well.  I would be thinking it would be possible to fill quite a
few holes per minute.
> >
> > Best wishes
> > Michael
> >
> > --- In pdracer@yahoogroups.com, "Paul" <ppez@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hey Andrew,
> > >
> > > In the construction of the Salem Electron you are using "tooth picks" to
fill the screw holes. What are you using for the tooth pics? 1/8" dowels? Do you
sharpen them at all?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Paul
> > >
> >
>

Everything hurts. I'm to tall and the table was to short. Mobic is great for my
knees, but passes by my back with out stopping.
Need to take a few days off so i can rest, where is my back brace

Rev. Greg

Sent from my iPhone

But could you manage to talk for that long if you were 1 metre down? :-)

--- On Wed, 6/1/10, Andrew Linn <alinn@...> wrote:

From: Andrew Linn <alinn@...>
Subject: [pdracer] Good news on the cell phone front
To: pdracer@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, 6 January, 2010, 3:23 PM

Wifey's phone died yesterday so we went in and I'll be
diddly-ding-dang-doodled iffin' they didn't have a cell phone that is
water resistant, specifically: "waterproof to 1 meter for 30 minutes"

That's a damn sight better than my cell phone, which seems to actually
attract water.

Casio G'Zone Boulder
http://www.casiogzone.com/boulder/

Just something to think about.
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How much did it cost....

--- On Wed, 6/1/10, SteveW <s-worden@...> wrote:

From: SteveW <s-worden@...>
Subject: Re: [pdracer] Re: Off Topic / building and dreaming
To: pdracer@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, 6 January, 2010, 7:28 AM

I have a penny whistle.




________________________________
From: Burton John <the.cutter.hotspur@...>
To: pdracer@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, January 4, 2010 10:56:04 AM
Subject: Re: [pdracer] Re: Off Topic / building and dreaming

Chords? Guitars? I have a fairly nice guitar at which I am a klutz so there's no
way I'm going to sit on Odd Duck and strum my way through summer. However, I do
have a really nice 30 button Anglo concertina with which I can squeeze out a few
tunes including Amazing Grace (that I need) but not Fur Elise, some O'Carolan
and a few frontier favorites. Any duckers out there with a concertina or squeeze
box?

John Burton
#21 Odd Duck

On Jan 4, 2010, at 10:27 AM, Lenny wrote:

>
> Paul! My ears perked up when you mentioned guitar chords. I've been trying to
teach myself for two years now. currently working on only god knows why of kid
rocks but that B chord is not working out for me.
>
> I'll have to go find your song to see if I can add to my repertiore of
>
> Fur Elise, Amazing Grace and and and.... well that's it. Oh yeah I'm so
lonesome I could cry but that's also depressing which started this thread.
>
> Lenny
>
> --- In pdracer@yahoogroups.com, Paul Helbert <paul.helbert@...> wrote:
> >
> > Greg,
> >
> > Rick commented on the dark side, but we see bright moments, too. Most
> > importantly, keep at it. Damn the frustrations...full speed ahead! I think
> > your Dad would be pleased.
> >
> > One of my favorite old songs is "Keep on the Sunny Side of Life". (Maybe
> > because the guitar chords are so simple?)
> >
> > On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 12:42 AM, rick136 <rick136@...> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Greg, I don't know how to say this nicely, but you are easily the darkest
> > > guy on this forum.
> > >
> > > Rick Landreville
> > > PDR136 and 311 (trying not to be depressed)
> > >
> > --
> > Paul Helbert
> >
> > Father of "The Canoe Guru" http://thecanoeguru.com/
> >
> >
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Maybe you should show those videos to your feet, then you could hold a can in
each hand and the one wouldn't be jealous....

--- On Wed, 6/1/10, Lenny <lenny_dickson@...> wrote:

From: Lenny <lenny_dickson@...>
Subject: [pdracer] Re: Off Topic / building and dreaming
To: pdracer@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, 6 January, 2010, 9:19 AM

Thanks, I'll show that video to my left hand tonight also along with the other
videos I've tryed to get it to learn. It's being stubborn. The right hand gets
to hold the beer can so it's a little jealous!

--- In pdracer@yahoogroups.com, "tim_cleary_sc" <saturntown@...> wrote:
>
> Lenny,
> Youtube has a boatload of guitar instruction, here for example is how to play
a B major chord:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PO3_G_MB29E&feature=fvw
>
> For inspiration, you may want to hear our own Ryan Davis playing Jason Nabor's
"Ode to the Puddle Duck":
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8VWf0fAvj5c
>
> And we're looking for someone to put music to the PDR chanty "A PD Ducky" AND
provide a rendition:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pdracer/message/20149
> Tim C.
>
> "That's Shorty's take on it, and why it is never a good idea to talk to him
about any project you don't want getting out of hand. Don't believe me? Look at
the number of PDRacers all over the world!" Rob Rohde-Szudy
>
> --- In pdracer@yahoogroups.com, "Lenny" <lenny_dickson@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Paul! My ears perked up when you mentioned guitar chords. I've been trying
to teach myself for two years now. currently working on only god knows why of
kid rocks but that B chord is not working out for me.
> >
> > I'll have to go find your song to see if I can add to my repertiore of
> >
> > Fur Elise, Amazing Grace and and and.... well that's it. Oh yeah I'm so
lonesome I could cry but that's also depressing which started this thread.
> >
> > Lenny
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Before I start my good sail I would like to know what causes the leach to curl
around like this so I can fix it. The leach has a 1" hollow on it.

John Monroe

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pdracer/photos/album/1093988933/pic/1443000914/vie\
w?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=101&count=20&dir=asc

Hi,
   Why not get a big flatbed trailer and lash the boats on it... tow it
down with a robust pickup truck?

Gerard Mittelstaedt
McAllen, TX
USA

jasonnabors@... wrote:
> I am going to check and see if there are any cheaper places around there.
> Maybe get a better deal if there is a RYDER or something.
> Sent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry®
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kevin Allison <kevinallison11@...>
> Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 14:12:49
> To: <pdracer@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: Re: [pdracer] Show of hands
>
> Yeah, I just checked out uhaul.com and the price from port lavaca to south
> padre for a 14 ft truck was 258. including 42. for the insurance so with tax
> that puts it about three hundred but we wouldnt need to go back to victoria
> as there is one in port lavaca. 10 miles to the gallon, 40 gal tank, 259
> miles from lavaca to s.padre shouldnt be too bad. get the driving done until
> the end of the trip sounds good to me.
>
> On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 1:38 PM, <jasonnabors@...> wrote:
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>> I looked it up it will cost 300.00 for the truck rental.it would have to
>> be the smallest enclosed truck they have.they won't rent pick up trucks for
>> out of town hauls.we could park at magnolia beach pick up the truck in
>> victoria and then drive back to magnolia beach and load up the ducks.then
>> drive to south padre where they have a uhaul rental there.I don't know what
>> the fuel would cost us from magnolia beach to south padre.
>>
>> It is definately something to think about.we could head out get all the
>> driving done sunday and start sailing monday morning and meet up with
>> everyone monday afternoon at port mansfield.
>>
>> This would eliminate the drive to port M and back to maggy and back to port
>> M on the shuttle.plus our rides would be there at the end of it all.
>>
>> Sent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry®
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>>
>> From: Kevin Allison <kevinallison11@...>
>>
>> Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 13:10:26
>>
>> To: <pdracer@yahoogroups.com>
>>
>> Subject: Re: [pdracer] Show of hands
>>
>>
>>
>> Jason, still want to rent a truck and do an extra day? I'll throw in with
>> ya
>>
>> and we can start Monday am and be there in the afternoon when everyone is
>>
>> just unpacking! lol
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 12:55 PM, jon s kowitz <jonskowitz@...
>>> wrote:
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>>
>>> You know I am.
>>> Already thinking of gear changes and stuff I'll need to make for the
>> trip.
>>
>>>  At least I don't need to make the boat too (lol), though it needs a bit
>> of
>>
>>> patching here and there.
>>> -Canvas tops or reef socks
>>> -splash-proof bags (if not waterproof)
>>> -waterproof camera (done)
>>> -quicker drying clothing would be nice
>>> -pocket attachments for PFD (too cheep to buy a new one when I have a
>>> perfectly serviceble one)
>>> -a servicable first aid kit that actually contains something useful
>>> -300 to 400 feet of rope.
>>> -a hand drill with a selection of wood screws
>>> -camp hatchet or shingle hammer
>>> -a few epoxy kits and some glass
>>> =========================================================
>>> "Hey, wait a minute.  Ewoks 30, Stormtroopers 1?  I want a rematch."
>>> William Boykin during a discussion on the Battle of Endor, ROTJ
>>> To: pdracer@yahoogroups.com
>>> From: kevinallison11@...
>>> Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 12:39:20 -0600
>>> Subject: Re: [pdracer] Show of hands
>>> Aye!
>>> On 1/5/10, Andrew Linn <alinn@...> wrote:
>>>> Ya'll are thinking "June 22 is over 6 months away. I don't need to
>> start
>>
>>>> thinking about the TX200 until June 17."
>>>> I don't know what lurks in your hearts, but that's not how I'd saddle
>> my
>>
>>>> horse. (how many metaphors can YOU mix in a sentence?)
>>>> So who all this thinking about 'Ducking this year?
>>>> Andrew
>>> --
>>> Sent from my mobile device
>>> Kevin M. Allison
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