Thanks so much for sharing this!  This is really encouraging to
hear.  I especially like how your church partnered with several
other churches and ministries to bring different groups and cultures
together with the same vision.  It's amazing the way God can move
several people to come together for His purposes!  It's a shame it
wasn't televised.

By the way, I thought it was the Presbyterians who were the frozen
chosen.  ;-)

--Wayne


--- In pugetsoundchristiansingles@yahoogroups.com, "sherrill
vaughan" <shenava2@...> wrote:
>
> wow this is a deep topic!  i am from Seattle, grew up at First
A.M.E. church
> ( which stands for African Methodist Episcopal, yes Methodist the
frozen
> chosen)  our church was always very open and diverse even in days
of old.  i
> am almost 49.  i moved to Germany and attended the army chapel-- a
whole
> different type of worship.  we were in colorado springs for 18
years started
> in a mostly Black baptist church.  (Yes for the record i hate the
term
> african american  i was born at harborview! and i grew up in
bellevue) we
> left there and started a new work Solid Rock Christian Church. our
vision
> was for a multicultural multi generational church. to achieve that
we
> partnered with New Life, Andrew Wommack Ministries, Cindy Jacobs,
Peter Van
> der Westhuizen and YWAM.  suffice it to say i was not really ready
to return
> to a dead homogeneous church.  imagine my surprise when not only
was it
> alive but but all kinds of people doing all kinds things on
church.  we have
> a couple that have turned into all of our parents- they just
happen to be
> white. we have so many different cultures and languages  and all
are working
> together for the same vision--- to get the love and name of Jesus
out to the
> masses.  it was supposed to be telelvised' but you know the
media,  sunday
> afternoon we took the our body and the neighboring church over to
the
> restaurant on 23rd and union and had a prayer vigil.  our church
was very
> much tied to the restaurant as the first owner that was killed a
few years
> ago was a member of our body.
> i am saying all that to say, i don't think that it takes a
committee or a
> program to reach different cultures or generations, just love and
open
> hearts will do the work to bring them in  and real life preaching
and
> teaching keeps people returning.  this walk is not easy no matter
your
> culture or ethnic background and that is where we can all connect.

wow this is a deep topic!  i am from Seattle, grew up at First A.M.E. church ( which stands for African Methodist Episcopal, yes Methodist the frozen chosen)  our church was always very open and diverse even in days of old.  i am almost 49.  i moved to Germany and attended the army chapel-- a whole different type of worship.  we were in colorado springs for 18 years started in a mostly Black baptist church.  (Yes for the record i hate the term african american  i was born at harborview! and i grew up in bellevue) we left there and started a new work Solid Rock Christian Church. our vision was for a multicultural multi generational church. to achieve that we partnered with New Life, Andrew Wommack Ministries, Cindy Jacobs, Peter Van der Westhuizen and YWAM.  suffice it to say i was not really ready to return to a dead homogeneous church.  imagine my surprise when not only was it alive but but all kinds of people doing all kinds things on church.  we have a couple that have turned into all of our parents- they just happen to be white. we have so many different cultures and languages  and all are working together for the same vision--- to get the love and name of Jesus out to the masses.  it was supposed to be telelvised' but you know the media,  sunday afternoon we took the our body and the neighboring church over to the restaurant on 23rd and union and had a prayer vigil.  our church was very much tied to the restaurant as the first owner that was killed a few years ago was a member of our body.

i am saying all that to say, i don't think that it takes a committee or a program to reach different cultures or generations, just love and open hearts will do the work to bring them in  and real life preaching and teaching keeps people returning.  this walk is not easy no matter your culture or ethnic background and that is where we can all connect.

On Feb 6, 2008 11:42 AM, Wayne <celebok@earthlink.net> wrote:

Well, the thing is, none of this was covered in that 700 Club
segment. The main message was simply, this is the way church should
be. My guess is that most people were watching that and
thinking, "Yes, that would be nice," and not having a clue of what
steps they could take to make it happen in their church.

What's interesting is that I was having discussions about this in
online groups, and the general attitude of other people seems to be
that they ultimately can't control who shows up at their church, and
that to figure out how to attract other types of people would be too
complicated and would take their focus off of more important things
like their spiritual growth. I'm thinking Antioch's message would
be more effective if it also included the "how to" part. Basically
saying to them, "It's not as hard as you think. Here's how you do
it." Or perhaps have some kind of multicultural consultant offer to
visit other churches and pinpoint their problem areas that might be
turning off certain people-groups and how they could fix it.

Still, there are people who just simply disagree that this is an
issue at all, and there's not much we can do about that.

--Wayne

--- In pugetsoundchristiansingles@yahoogroups.com, Chica Christ

<chica4christ00@...> wrote:
>
> I agree with you and disagree with you Mr. Wayne. Yes there is a
snowball effect but inside the church you need to have an atmosphere
for each of the different cultures as well. How long have you been
going to Antioch and have seen this??? ;) Worship each week is
different, so it appeases different groups...ages, cultures, etc.
That is a HUGE difference than many of the other churches. Hutch
also talks ALL OF THE TIME about it being a church for all
people...when that is pounded on the congregation from the pulpit, I
imagine that would give some people of different cultures, ages,
etc. some comfort in embracing their differences.
>
> At many of the small churches I went to in Spokane...they didn't
change anything...they kept the worship to be either all Hymns or
all contemporary but yet they wanted it to be a church for all
people. So if you didn't like that kind of worship...you really
didn't connect at that church and probably left or if you stuck
around you got really frustrated and tried to change things...but
change doesn't come easily to churches. Many of these churches WANT
to be open to other cultures and such but what are they really doing
practically to make that happen?
>
>
>

> Celebok <celebok@...> wrote:
> This morning, Antioch Bible Church and Pastor Hutch
were featured on the 700 Club as an example of a multicultural
church. (Click here for the article and video.) The news segment was
basically suggesting that cultural diversity is some kind of new
trend in American churches. A couple of hours after this story
aired, Pastor Hutch sent an e-mail to his Prayer Warrior list,
simply saying, "Praise God, the 700 Club program went very well! Now
let's pray that God will use this to show how church should be done!"
>
> Okay, well, I agree with Hutch that churches should be culturally
diverse and that God wants us to welcome people into the church who
are different from us. But here's the thing. I highly doubt there
are very many church leaders out there going, "Wow, we've been doing
it wrong all this time, I thought we were supposed to be an all
[insert ethnicity here] church!" I don't think the problem is so
much that churches don't want to be multicultural, but rather that
they just don't know how. Harvest Community Church, the
predominantly Asian-American church that I attended in California,
always wrestled with this problem, as I'm sure many predominantly
white churches do. We were always welcoming people of all races, but
the fact remained that anybody who walked into the church who wasn't
Asian immediately felt different. Because of this, a small group of
Asians will just attract more Asians, and you have a snowball
effect. (Actually, I guess that would have to be white people to
> have a snowball; Asians would be more like... hmm, a yellow
snowball? Never mind, that's gross.) So in order for churches like
Harvest to follow Antioch's model of cultural diversity, they'd need
to first figure out how to break the snowball effect. And I have yet
to find anyone who's figured it out.
>
> Antioch never had a snowball problem because it started as a
diverse church and has been ever since. So most of Antioch's
members, as evidenced by those interviewed in that news segment,
probably haven't got a clue, either. They just take it for granted
that they found a church that's diverse, and that's where they get
their multicultural exposure. The only advice that I've heard from
Antioch's pastors about this is, reach out to those who don't look
like you. But if that's all there was to it, wouldn't more people
have figured it out by now? Are most people actually not doing this,
or is there something else going on that's preventing churches from
becoming more diverse? I think a deeper investigation into this
would be needed for any church that wishes to take on Antioch's
model of cultural diversity.
>
> Anybody have any thoughts?
>
> --Wayne
>
>
> =================================================
> http://celebok.livejournal.com/
> http://www.myspace.com/celebok
> =================================================
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ---------------------------------
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Mobile. Try it now.
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Well, the thing is, none of this was covered in that 700 Club
segment. The main message was simply, this is the way church should
be. My guess is that most people were watching that and
thinking, "Yes, that would be nice," and not having a clue of what
steps they could take to make it happen in their church.

What's interesting is that I was having discussions about this in
online groups, and the general attitude of other people seems to be
that they ultimately can't control who shows up at their church, and
that to figure out how to attract other types of people would be too
complicated and would take their focus off of more important things
like their spiritual growth. I'm thinking Antioch's message would
be more effective if it also included the "how to" part. Basically
saying to them, "It's not as hard as you think. Here's how you do
it." Or perhaps have some kind of multicultural consultant offer to
visit other churches and pinpoint their problem areas that might be
turning off certain people-groups and how they could fix it.

Still, there are people who just simply disagree that this is an
issue at all, and there's not much we can do about that.

--Wayne

--- In pugetsoundchristiansingles@yahoogroups.com, Chica Christ
<chica4christ00@...> wrote:
>
> I agree with you and disagree with you Mr. Wayne. Yes there is a
snowball effect but inside the church you need to have an atmosphere
for each of the different cultures as well. How long have you been
going to Antioch and have seen this??? ;) Worship each week is
different, so it appeases different groups...ages, cultures, etc.
That is a HUGE difference than many of the other churches. Hutch
also talks ALL OF THE TIME about it being a church for all
people...when that is pounded on the congregation from the pulpit, I
imagine that would give some people of different cultures, ages,
etc. some comfort in embracing their differences.
>
> At many of the small churches I went to in Spokane...they didn't
change anything...they kept the worship to be either all Hymns or
all contemporary but yet they wanted it to be a church for all
people. So if you didn't like that kind of worship...you really
didn't connect at that church and probably left or if you stuck
around you got really frustrated and tried to change things...but
change doesn't come easily to churches. Many of these churches WANT
to be open to other cultures and such but what are they really doing
practically to make that happen?
>
>
>
> Celebok <celebok@...> wrote:
> This morning, Antioch Bible Church and Pastor Hutch
were featured on the 700 Club as an example of a multicultural
church. (Click here for the article and video.) The news segment was
basically suggesting that cultural diversity is some kind of new
trend in American churches. A couple of hours after this story
aired, Pastor Hutch sent an e-mail to his Prayer Warrior list,
simply saying, "Praise God, the 700 Club program went very well! Now
let's pray that God will use this to show how church should be done!"
>
> Okay, well, I agree with Hutch that churches should be culturally
diverse and that God wants us to welcome people into the church who
are different from us. But here's the thing. I highly doubt there
are very many church leaders out there going, "Wow, we've been doing
it wrong all this time, I thought we were supposed to be an all
[insert ethnicity here] church!" I don't think the problem is so
much that churches don't want to be multicultural, but rather that
they just don't know how. Harvest Community Church, the
predominantly Asian-American church that I attended in California,
always wrestled with this problem, as I'm sure many predominantly
white churches do. We were always welcoming people of all races, but
the fact remained that anybody who walked into the church who wasn't
Asian immediately felt different. Because of this, a small group of
Asians will just attract more Asians, and you have a snowball
effect. (Actually, I guess that would have to be white people to
> have a snowball; Asians would be more like... hmm, a yellow
snowball? Never mind, that's gross.) So in order for churches like
Harvest to follow Antioch's model of cultural diversity, they'd need
to first figure out how to break the snowball effect. And I have yet
to find anyone who's figured it out.
>
> Antioch never had a snowball problem because it started as a
diverse church and has been ever since. So most of Antioch's
members, as evidenced by those interviewed in that news segment,
probably haven't got a clue, either. They just take it for granted
that they found a church that's diverse, and that's where they get
their multicultural exposure. The only advice that I've heard from
Antioch's pastors about this is, reach out to those who don't look
like you. But if that's all there was to it, wouldn't more people
have figured it out by now? Are most people actually not doing this,
or is there something else going on that's preventing churches from
becoming more diverse? I think a deeper investigation into this
would be needed for any church that wishes to take on Antioch's
model of cultural diversity.
>
> Anybody have any thoughts?
>
> --Wayne
>
>
> =================================================
> http://celebok.livejournal.com/
> http://www.myspace.com/celebok
> =================================================
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ---------------------------------
> Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo!
Mobile. Try it now.
>

Well, the thing is, none of this was covered in that 700 Club
segment.  The main message was simply, this is the way church should
be.  My guess is that most people were watching that and
thinking, "Yes, that would be nice," and not having a clue of what
steps they could take to make it happen in their church.

What's interesting is that I was having discussions about this in
online groups, and the general attitude of other people seems to be
that they ultimately can't control who shows up at their church, and
that to figure out how to attract other types of people would be too
complicated and would take their focus off of more important things
like their spiritual growth.  I'm thinking Antioch's message would
be more effective if it also included the "how to" part.  Basically
saying to them, "It's not as hard as you think.  Here's how you do
it."  Or perhaps have some kind of multicultural consultant offer to
visit other churches and pinpoint their problem areas that might be
turning off certain people-groups and how they could fix it.

Still, there are people who just simply disagree that this is an
issue at all, and there's not much we can do about that.

--Wayne


--- In pugetsoundchristiansingles@yahoogroups.com, Chica Christ
<chica4christ00@...> wrote:
>
> I agree with you and disagree with you Mr. Wayne. Yes there is a
snowball effect but inside the church you need to have an atmosphere
for each of the different cultures as well. How long have you been
going to Antioch and have seen this??? ;) Worship each week is
different, so it appeases different groups...ages, cultures, etc.
That is a HUGE difference than many of the other churches. Hutch
also talks ALL OF THE TIME about it being a church for all
people...when that is pounded on the congregation from the pulpit, I
imagine that would give some people of different cultures, ages,
etc. some comfort in embracing their differences.
>
>   At many of the small churches I went to in Spokane...they didn't
change anything...they kept the worship to be either all Hymns or
all contemporary but yet they wanted it to be a church for all
people. So if you didn't like that kind of worship...you really
didn't connect at that church and probably left or if you stuck
around you got really frustrated and tried to change things...but
change doesn't come easily to churches. Many of these churches WANT
to be open to other cultures and such but what are they really doing
practically to make that happen?
>
>
>
> Celebok <celebok@...> wrote:
>             This morning, Antioch Bible Church and Pastor Hutch
were featured on the 700 Club as an example of a multicultural
church. (Click here for the article and video.) The news segment was
basically suggesting that cultural diversity is some kind of new
trend in American churches. A couple of hours after this story
aired, Pastor Hutch sent an e-mail to his Prayer Warrior list,
simply saying, "Praise God, the 700 Club program went very well! Now
let's pray that God will use this to show how church should be done!"
>
> Okay, well, I agree with Hutch that churches should be culturally
diverse and that God wants us to welcome people into the church who
are different from us. But here's the thing. I highly doubt there
are very many church leaders out there going, "Wow, we've been doing
it wrong all this time, I thought we were supposed to be an all
[insert ethnicity here] church!" I don't think the problem is so
much that churches don't want to be multicultural, but rather that
they just don't know how. Harvest Community Church, the
predominantly Asian-American church that I attended in California,
always wrestled with this problem, as I'm sure many predominantly
white churches do. We were always welcoming people of all races, but
the fact remained that anybody who walked into the church who wasn't
Asian immediately felt different. Because of this, a small group of
Asians will just attract more Asians, and you have a snowball
effect. (Actually, I guess that would have to be white people to
>  have a snowball; Asians would be more like... hmm, a yellow
snowball? Never mind, that's gross.) So in order for churches like
Harvest to follow Antioch's model of cultural diversity, they'd need
to first figure out how to break the snowball effect. And I have yet
to find anyone who's figured it out.
>
> Antioch never had a snowball problem because it started as a
diverse church and has been ever since. So most of Antioch's
members, as evidenced by those interviewed in that news segment,
probably haven't got a clue, either. They just take it for granted
that they found a church that's diverse, and that's where they get
their multicultural exposure. The only advice that I've heard from
Antioch's pastors about this is, reach out to those who don't look
like you. But if that's all there was to it, wouldn't more people
have figured it out by now? Are most people actually not doing this,
or is there something else going on that's preventing churches from
becoming more diverse? I think a deeper investigation into this
would be needed for any church that wishes to take on Antioch's
model of cultural diversity.
>
>   Anybody have any thoughts?
>
>   --Wayne
>
>
>   =================================================
> http://celebok.livejournal.com/
> http://www.myspace.com/celebok
>   =================================================
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ---------------------------------
> Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo!
Mobile.  Try it now.
>

This morning, Antioch Bible Church and Pastor Hutch were featured on the 700 Club as an example of a multicultural church. (Click here for the article and video.) The news segment was basically suggesting that cultural diversity is some kind of new trend in American churches. A couple of hours after this story aired, Pastor Hutch sent an e-mail to his Prayer Warrior list, simply saying, "Praise God, the 700 Club program went very well! Now let's pray that God will use this to show how church should be done!"

Okay, well, I agree with Hutch that churches should be culturally diverse and that God wants us to welcome people into the church who are different from us. But here's the thing. I highly doubt there are very many church leaders out there going, "Wow, we've been doing it wrong all this time, I thought we were supposed to be an all [insert ethnicity here] church!" I don't think the problem is so much that churches don't want to be multicultural, but rather that they just don't know how. Harvest Community Church, the predominantly Asian-American church that I attended in California, always wrestled with this problem, as I'm sure many predominantly white churches do. We were always welcoming people of all races, but the fact remained that anybody who walked into the church who wasn't Asian immediately felt different. Because of this, a small group of Asians will just attract more Asians, and you have a snowball effect. (Actually, I guess that would have to be white people to have a snowball; Asians would be more like... hmm, a yellow snowball? Never mind, that's gross.) So in order for churches like Harvest to follow Antioch's model of cultural diversity, they'd need to first figure out how to break the snowball effect. And I have yet to find anyone who's figured it out.

Antioch never had a snowball problem because it started as a diverse church and has been ever since. So most of Antioch's members, as evidenced by those interviewed in that news segment, probably haven't got a clue, either. They just take it for granted that they found a church that's diverse, and that's where they get their multicultural exposure. The only advice that I've heard from Antioch's pastors about this is, reach out to those who don't look like you. But if that's all there was to it, wouldn't more people have figured it out by now? Are most people actually not doing this, or is there something else going on that's preventing churches from becoming more diverse? I think a deeper investigation into this would be needed for any church that wishes to take on Antioch's model of cultural diversity.

 

Anybody have any thoughts?

 

--Wayne

 

 

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I'd just like to say, I've really been enjoying the Encounter so
far, and I'm excited to see what Hutch is doing to reach the singles
in our church and in our community.  His comment during the first
night that our "greatest commitment is not to be committed" is
definitely something that I can relate to from personal experience,
and being around other single adults who are really good examples of
Christians with a heart for serving the Lord can really encourage me
in my walk.  Plus Hutch is always a great teacher!  We'll be
studying 1 Corinthians throughout the year, and in standard Hutch
fashion, we covered all of five verses last night!  ;-)

Also, for the last two weeks, some people from the Encounter have
been meeting at TGI Friday's in Kirkland afterwards, and for me it's
been an awesome time of meet new people and having some great
conversations where we get to know each other on a personal level.
I hope to see this as an ongoing thing!

--Wayne


--- In pugetsoundchristiansingles@yahoogroups.com, "Jen Miller"
<chica4christ00@...> wrote:
>
> Hey all! Just a reminder about Encounter tonight:
>
> ENCOUNTER
> 6:30pm - 8:00pm Wednesday
>
> Pastor Hutch invites all Singles and College Age students to join
him
> each Wednesday at the SDA Church Community Center in Kirkland.
>
> Pastor Hutch will be teaching "How NOT to do Church." This class
isn't
> for the faint in heart, or for those who are content just "doing
> church," but for those who want to CHANGE THE WORLD! Catch Hutch's
> vision for the purpose of the church in response to our world.
>
> You will be challenged out of complacency into ACTION!
>
> If you have questions or need directions...email Pastor Jason
Martin at
> jmartin@...
>

Hey all! Just a reminder about Encounter tonight:

ENCOUNTER
6:30pm - 8:00pm Wednesday

Pastor Hutch invites all Singles and College Age students to join him
each Wednesday at the SDA Church Community Center in Kirkland.

Pastor Hutch will be teaching "How NOT to do Church." This class isn't
for the faint in heart, or for those who are content just "doing
church," but for those who want to CHANGE THE WORLD! Catch Hutch's
vision for the purpose of the church in response to our world.

You will be challenged out of complacency into ACTION!

If you have questions or need directions...email Pastor Jason Martin at
jmartin@....

Thanks for posting this, Jen!  I'm really looking forward to this.
The word I've heard on the inside is that Pastor Hutch and others on
the pastoral staff want to open this class to other young single
adults outside of Antioch (hence the Wednesday night time slot), so
anyone here who's interested should consider checking it out.  Not
only does it give us an opportunity to connect with other singles
that we otherwise might not meet, but it apparently gives us
something that our demographic really needs, which is to be
challenged in our walks with God and be reminded that God calls us
to be obedient to Him and to be His ambassadors in the world.  Plus
Pastor Hutch is always a fun preacher to listen to!  :-)  I
definitely plan to be there next week!

--Wayne


--- In pugetsoundchristiansingles@yahoogroups.com, "Jen Miller"
<chica4christ00@...> wrote:
>
> How Not to Do Church: How to Change the World
>
> Wednesdays, beginning January 9, 2008
>              6:30pm
>      SDA Church Community Center
> (6400 108th Ave NE, Kirkland, WA  98033)
>
> Pastor Hutch (Antioch Bible Church) invites all Singles and College
> Age students to join him Wednesday evenings. This is not for the
faint
> of heart, or for those who are content just "doing church," but for
> those who want to change the world! Catch Hutch's vision for the
> purpose of the church in response to our world.
>
> Come and be challenged out of complacency into ACTION!!
>
> Email jmartin@... if you are interested in attending this
> class. Indicate the class name in the subject line, include your
first
> and last name in the email, and note whether you plan to bring any
> friends with you.
>

How Not to Do Church: How to Change the World

Wednesdays, beginning January 9, 2008
              6:30pm
      SDA Church Community Center
(6400 108th Ave NE, Kirkland, WA  98033)

Pastor Hutch (Antioch Bible Church) invites all Singles and College
Age students to join him Wednesday evenings. This is not for the faint
of heart, or for those who are content just "doing church," but for
those who want to change the world! Catch Hutch's vision for the
purpose of the church in response to our world.

Come and be challenged out of complacency into ACTION!!

Email jmartin@... if you are interested in attending this
class. Indicate the class name in the subject line, include your first
and last name in the email, and note whether you plan to bring any
friends with you.

If you were in the habit of setting your clocks back an hour on the
last weekend of October and mistakenly did so last weekend... and
somehow managed to go this entire week without figuring out that you
were an hour behind everyone else... I've got good news!  This
Saturday night, you'll finally be back on the correct time!  Everyone
else, remember to set your clocks back this Saturday!

--Wayne

Hey, you know those crop circles that appeared in England and other
places in the 1980's?  Or like the ones that haunted Mel Gibson in
M. Night Shyamalan's "Signs"?  I just got a tip that something very
similar has happened in Redmond, next to the Sammamish River, and
I've decided to go investigate it this Saturday night, and I could
use some help.  This tip comes from an aerial photo taken just a few
weeks ago, posted on a private website, and both the City of Redmond
and the WSDOT are denying its existence:

http://www.south47farm.com/

Okay, not really.  As you can see, it's just a corn maze that the
farmer created himself and opened to the public.  And from what I've
heard from people who went there last year, it's a lot of fun,
especially at night!  So this Saturday night... let's go beat the
corn maze!!!

When:  Saturday, October 20, 7:00 p.m.  That's right, a nighttime
flashlight corn maze!

Where:  The South 47 Farm.  Located at the corner of NE 124th St. &
the Woodinville-Redmond Rd. in Redmond.

From I-405, take the NE 124th St. exit, head east for two miles, and
look for the white gate!

Or if you're coming from downtown Redmond, head north on 164th Ave.
NE, which turns into Woodinville-Redmond Rd. (SR-202), until you
reach NE 124th St.

Cost is $6 per person.

We can meet in the parking lot shortly before 7:00.  I hope to see
you there!

--Wayne

Hey, this is like totally last-minute, but I just found out that Jaime
Jamgochian is doing a free concert at Lake Sammamish Foursquare Church
in Bellevue tonight at 7:00 p.m., if anyone is interested.

Location and directions are on this page:
http://www.lakesamm.org/HM_how.asp

Jaime's website:  http://www.jaimejam.com/

Old entries I've written about my past encounters with her:
http://celebok.livejournal.com/tag/jaime

(She's had songs played on Spirit 105.3 before, and I first met her at
a Christian singles conference a few years ago.)

--Wayne

Congrats Wayne!  I just realized I turned 10 last month.  I don't
even have my spiritual drivers license yet.


--- In pugetsoundchristiansingles@yahoogroups.com, "Celebok"
<celebok@...> wrote:
>
> It was 18 years ago today that I committed my life to Jesus Christ,
> accepting him as my Lord and Savior--an event that many Christians
consider
> to be a "spiritual rebirth".  So... would that make me... a
spiritual legal
> adult now?
>
> --Wayne
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> Benches #16 & #17 this week!
> Plus other scenic pictures!
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It was 18 years ago today that I committed my life to Jesus Christ,
accepting him as my Lord and Savior--an event that many Christians consider
to be a "spiritual rebirth". So... would that make me... a spiritual legal
adult now?

--Wayne

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24 JAMES KIM BENCHES!
Benches #16 & #17 this week!
Plus other scenic pictures!
http://celebok.livejournal.com/
http://www.myspace.com/celebok
==================================

It was 18 years ago today that I committed my life to Jesus Christ,
accepting him as my Lord and Savior--an event that many Christians consider
to be a "spiritual rebirth".  So... would that make me... a spiritual legal
adult now?

--Wayne


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24 JAMES KIM BENCHES!
Benches #16 & #17 this week!
Plus other scenic pictures!
http://celebok.livejournal.com/
http://www.myspace.com/celebok
==================================

Hey all!!!! The high school group at Antioch is selling tickets to the
Seattle Mariners for $10. This is a fund raiser for them. The tickets
are in Section 314 and the game is Saturday, August 18 at 7:05p. There
are many many tickets so this will be a huge affair. We will have
tables set up in the breezeway and in the Commons on Sunday mornings I
have a stack of tickets myself. If you are interested, let me know. :)
Spread the word and lets get these sold!!! :) Let's have a huge group
in Section 314!

Jen Miller
jenlmiller@...

In case you haven't heard, the 520 floating bridge will be closed this
weekend, starting at 11 p.m. on Friday night, and will reopen by
Monday morning.

http://www.wsdot.wa.gov/News/2007/07/12_SR520Closure.htm

--Wayne

I'll be heading off on another road trip this week for the Fourth of July.
On Tuesday I'll be heading south and will spend a night at the Dunes Motel
in Roseburg, OR.  On Wednesday, I'll head a little further south and then
attempt to take Bear Camp Road to the coast--the road that led James Kim to
his death last winter as he and his family got stranded in the mountains!
Then, assuming I survive that, I'll be spending the 4th at the Motel 6 in
Gold Beach.  Then on Thursday, I'll head north up the coast and take Hwy 42
back east to I-5 and come home.

As usual, you'll be able to track my progress as I send updates from my cell
phone at my "Celephone" Yahoo group:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/celephone/

(My messages will be posted on that website, or if you sign up, you can have
the messages automatically e-mailed to you.)

Hey, at least I'm following the first rule of travel safety, which is to
tell people where you're going!

--Wayne


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I'm about to leave for my church's men's retreat, called the Men's Advance.
  They have it every year, and this will be my second time going.  At this
point, I'm not really looking forward to it as much as I should be.  It
just sort of feels like something that's taking up a big chunk of my
weekend.  I mean, for the past month or so, I've felt like this was
something I should go to, since I got a lot out of it last year, and it's
designed to train the men of our church into more Godly men, plus Pastor
Jason (the singles pastor) kept plugging it as a great opportunity to get
to know other men in the church outside of our young adult singles group,
and I'm definitely lacking in that area.  But at the same time, I'm a
little apathetic about it, not really knowing whether I'll really have a
good time or if I'll be able to connect with people.  Of course, it's just
as likely that my own attitude would prevent me from connecting with the
other guys.  Just like last year, this will basically be a step out of my
comfort zone, which I suspect God wants me to take.  I tend to gravitate
toward my own kind--single adults who have never been married and don't
have kids.  So while it's definitely an opportunity to step out of my
comfort zone, I just don't feel much desire to relate to people outside of
my demographic right now.  So I guess I just need to pray that I go in with
the right attitude and that I'm open to whatever God wants to teach me this
weekend.

I'll be back on Sunday afternoon.

And you can have some fun doing a side-by-side comparison with the post I
made at this same time last year:

http://celebok.livejournal.com/218482.html

--Wayne



      
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Okay, I've never had any experience losing or gaining weight at will,
so I got a question.  If I was trying to intentionally lose weight,
and assuming I was doing it correctly (a healthy amount of diet and
exercise), and that I'm already somewhat close to average weight, how
long would it typically take to move a belt notch?  As in, days,
weeks, months?

--Wayne

Day 6:  Drove west on Hwy 26 from Colfax until it merged with I-90 at
Vantage, then took I-90 back the familiar way home, stopping for lunch at
Snoqualmie Pass, which was way colder than anywhere else I've been all week,
and I was wearing shorts.

And my parents are still here.  (They've been staying at my place since
Wednesday night and will be here until Tuesday when their moving truck
arrives with their stuff.)

--Wayne


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I'm about to load my car and head east on I-90 all the way across
Washington.  I'll be entering Idaho sometime this afternoon, at which point
the coin-flipping begins!

Updates from now on will be sent to the Celephone Yahoo Group at:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/celephone

--Wayne


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May the 4th be with you!  ;-)

--Wayne

Woah, I didn't even notice that!  And I just noticed that the
Gideon's Posse e-mail that Mark forwarded says the Saturday schedule
is 9-4:30!!  But yeah, I guess we'll just have to find out tonight!
At least the Friday schedule seems consistent wherever it's
mentioned!  :-)

Oh, and a group of us will probably go to lunch on Saturday, so
anyone is welcome to join us!

--Wayne


--- In pugetsoundchristiansingles@yahoogroups.com, Chica Christ
<chica4christ00@...> wrote:
>
> I am a little confused as to what time it starts tomorrow, just a
thought. :) Antioch's website says 8-5:30 but the pamphlet says 9-
6:30. :) Guess we'll see tonight!!! Hope to see you all there!!!
>
>   Jen