Archie,
Were the Marines still wearing the 1821 Bell Crown Shako in the 2nd
War?
Chris (Okahumpkee)
P.S.  I'm back in Florida and looking for work.  Email doesn't work
right now.

yes, the marines wore the bell crown cap throughout the 1830's. arch.  What
happened to the fort gig at mobile?

----- Original Message -----
From: Chris Kimball
Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2002 10:52 PM
To: semwar@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [semwar] Re: us naval clothing of the 2nd Seminole War

Archie,
Were the Marines still wearing the 1821 Bell Crown Shako in the 2nd
War?
Chris (Okahumpkee)
P.S.  I'm back in Florida and looking for work.  Email doesn't work
right now.




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Archie,
Didn't pay enough money, so I have to find something
else because I am drowning in bills.  It was fun, but
I have to do something to make a living.  At least I
left in good standing and the door is open if they
ever want to pay more than minimum wage.
Chris

  What happened to the fort gig at
> mobile?


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Minimum Wage! the shame is they'll probably find someone to fill it quick huh?
Work at a fort for $$$, a reenactors' dream! Let me guess, they had alot of
reenactor volunteers maybe, and didn't see why they should pay more for someone
who can actually study, interpret, and reenact history! arch

----- Original Message -----
From: Mr Chris Kimball
Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 9:47 PM
To: semwar@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [semwar] Digest Number 50

Archie,
Didn't pay enough money, so I have to find something
else because I am drowning in bills.  It was fun, but
I have to do something to make a living.  At least I
left in good standing and the door is open if they
ever want to pay more than minimum wage.
Chris

What happened to the fort gig at
> mobile?


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Chris,
       Glad to hear that you made back home safely.I
bet the folks are glad to have you back.I guess you
won't be coming out here on the 26th,huh? Maybe next
time,friend.Have a good Fall!

Pare-
--- jesse Marshall <floridawar@...> wrote:
> Minimum Wage! the shame is they'll probably find
> someone to fill it quick huh? Work at a fort for
> $$$, a reenactors' dream! Let me guess, they had
> alot of reenactor volunteers maybe, and didn't see
> why they should pay more for someone who can
> actually study, interpret, and reenact history! arch
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Mr Chris Kimball
> Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 9:47 PM
> To: semwar@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [semwar] Digest Number 50
>
> Archie,
> Didn't pay enough money, so I have to find something
> else because I am drowning in bills.  It was fun,
> but
> I have to do something to make a living.  At least I
> left in good standing and the door is open if they
> ever want to pay more than minimum wage.
> Chris
>
> What happened to the fort gig at
> > mobile?
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It was fun, but you have to pay the bills.  Looking down the road and
what the budget was going to be, there was no change in the next year
or two to improve, so I didn't have incentive to stay.  It is sad to
be such an expert in interpretation, but earn less than the fries or
slurpie guy.
Chris

--- In semwar@y..., "jesse Marshall" <floridawar@m...> wrote:
> Minimum Wage! the shame is they'll probably find someone to fill it
quick huh? Work at a fort for $$$, a reenactors' dream! Let me guess,
they had alot of reenactor volunteers maybe, and didn't see why they
should pay more for someone who can actually study, interpret, and
reenact history! arch

Estonko Pare,
Probably won't be there for Sorghum fest.  Grayhawk got another job
and won't be going with me, and it is a long drive alone.  (And now
that I am even further away from Okieland.)  But I hope to make it
one day.  The Wiyovlke are happy to see me again.
Chris

--- In semwar@y..., pare bowlegs <SEMINOLE1753@Y...> wrote:
> Chris,
>       Glad to hear that you made back home safely.I
> bet the folks are glad to have you back.I guess you
> won't be coming out here on the 26th,huh? Maybe next
> time,friend.Have a good Fall!
>
> Pare-

List,
      I found an early 1800's beaded gourd powder horn up for auction.
It came from western N.C.Its the only one I've ever seen.Might be a
new project for me.Just thought I would let you know!

Pare-

List,

What are the upcoming events?  Preferrably the ones in NE Fl.  I am
going to do either militia or a naval impression so they have to be
events that can use me correctly.

Regards,
Adam

P.S.  We need to talk more in here.....perhaps we need a chatroom and
set up a chat time each week say like Fri. nights at 6 o'clock or
something....just a thought....

I asked for event dates on the other board a couple
weeks ago and didn't get any response.  I guess nobody
knows.  Dade  is the last weekend of December, and
that's all I know.
Chris

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I asked for event dates on the other board a couple
weeks ago and didn't get any response.  I guess nobody
knows.  Dade  is the last weekend of December, and
that's all I know.
Chris

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ok. Thanks.  BTW what is this "other" board?



Regards,
Adam


--- In semwar@y..., Mr Chris Kimball <flaterritory@y...> wrote:
> I asked for event dates on the other board a couple
> weeks ago and didn't get any response.  I guess nobody
> knows.  Dade  is the last weekend of December, and
> that's all I know.
> Chris
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11/23-24/02 Fort Christmas, 2nd Seminole War tent camp outside of the fort. and 
twice daily a musket firing demo, cannon firing demo and talk about joining the
army/militia in 1837
12/28-29/02 Dade's
Pvt Tom Allen (Tom the younger)
Company B 3rd U S Artillery
  schooltea49 <schooltea49@...> wrote: List,

What are the upcoming events?  Preferrably the ones in NE Fl.  I am
going to do either militia or a naval impression so they have to be
events that can use me correctly.

Regards,
Adam

P.S.  We need to talk more in here.....perhaps we need a chatroom and
set up a chat time each week say like Fri. nights at 6 o'clock or
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UPCOMING SEMINOLE WAR EVENTS


PIONEER ARTS FESIVAL 1st weekend in November 2003
Living history presentations
Barberville, FL


FORT CHRISTMAS 				   11/23-24/2002
Living history presentations
http://parks.onetgov.net/10christmas.htm


165TH DADE'S BATTLE REENACTMENT       	    12/28-29/2002
Bushnell, Florida
Park manager (352) 793-4781 dbsh@...
www.dep.state.fl.us/parks

BATTLE OF KISSIMMEE SLOUGH 		 FEB 2003
	 REENACTMENT
Big Cypress Reservation
AH TAH THI KI Museum (863) 902-1113
www.seminoletribe.com

FORT FOSTER HISTORIC SITE   			 2/14-16/03
	 RENDEZVOUS
Living History & Skirmish
Hillsborough River State Park
(813) 996-3847   (813) 987-6771
Thonotosassa, Fl
www.dep.state.fl.us/parks

BATTLE OF ROYAL PALM HAMMOCK 	 2/14-16-03
3rd Seminole War
Battle reenactment
Collier Seminole State Park near Naples
Ralph Smith


BATTLE OF OKEECHOBEE
North Shore of Lake Okeechobee between Taylor Creek and  FEB
2003
Nubbin Slough. Okeechobee, FL
Battle Reenactment
Contact Brian Zapeda (863) 902-1113
Bill Steele (W) (561) 279-7640 (H) (561) 243-0483

FORT COOPER REENACTMENT 		 3/23-24/03
Living History & Skirmish
(352) 726-0315
Inverness, FL
www.dep.state.fl.us/parks


FORT CHRISTMAS 					 4/5-6/03
Living history presentations
http://parks.onetgov.net/10christmas.htm

WESTVILLE, GA
	 5/25-27/2003
Creek Indian war event
Living History Timeline & Skirmish
Lumpkin, GA
Bob McLendon (904) 462-4099
53ala@...
www.westville.org


DE LEON SPRINGS 				 August 2003
Living History Timeline & Skirmish
De Leon Springs, FL


FORT KING FESTIVAL 			 September 2003
Living history presentations
Ocala, FL

Pvt. Tom Allen (Tom the younger)
3rd US Artillery, Co. "B"
Ft. Maitland
Florida Territory

Other board is the Southeastern Cultural Society.

Sorry for the slow response.  Been gone over a week.

Chris

--- In semwar@y..., "schooltea49" <schooltea49@y...> wrote:
> ok. Thanks.  BTW what is this "other" board?
>
>
>
> Regards,
> Adam
>
>
> --- In semwar@y..., Mr Chris Kimball <flaterritory@y...> wrote:
> > I asked for event dates on the other board a couple
> > weeks ago and didn't get any response.  I guess nobody
> > knows.  Dade  is the last weekend of December, and
> > that's all I know.
> > Chris
> >
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Seminole War history: http://tfn.net/~cdk901/Seminole%20War/Index.htm

I have updated my Seminole War webpage, and it is now hosted by
Tallahassee Freenet.  The advantages are that there are no annoying
pop-up ads and other stuff that you don't want to see.  With the help
of some friends, I have made a few changes, but the content is the
same.  (First time anyone else has helped me with it since I started
the webpage in  1996.)

Check it out and feel free to send me comments.  Sorry for the funny
looking url, but that's what I get for free.

Mvto,
Chris

This isn't Seminole war related, but many members attend the Alafia.

The Florida Frontiersmen http://www.floridafrontiersmen.com has just
updated there site with information about the requirement for fire
retardent tents.

They have said that the requirement does not apply to personal tents
only commercial tents.

Gary

--- In semwar@y..., "gwatts33541" <grwatts@i...> wrote:
> This isn't Seminole war related, but many members attend the
Alafia.
>
> The Florida Frontiersmen http://www.floridafrontiersmen.com has
just
> updated there site with information about the requirement for fire
> retardent tents.
>
> They have said that the requirement does not apply to personal
tents
> only commercial tents.
>
> Gary
Hey Thanks for spreading the word!!! The correct URL is
http://www.floridafrontiersmen.org
Your Humble Servant,
Teena Manyscalps Thomas
Webmistress, florida Frontiersmen

Howdy All. Ft. Foster's Christmas garrison will be held on Sat Dec.
21st and Sun. Dec. 22nd; the weekend before Dade's Battle this year.
There will be tours during the day. On Sat. night the Friends of the
park come out for a night tour and have a pot-luck dinner. The
reenactors are planning to feed ourselves this year after the taters
(spectators) have departed.
This X-mas garrison began as a grand event several years ago, but its
gone downhill to the point that last year none of the reenactors that
came out dressed out. ENOUGH of THat! Too, there has been the problem
of the reenactors doing a program for the taters, while they eat, and
the reenactors get stuck with cookies and maccarroni. As I said, a
few of us are planning to prepare food just for the historical types,
just like during the average living history weekends at the fort.
There will be day tours at 1 PM sat., and 11 AM sun. besides the Sat.
night special tour and pot-luck for the park volunteers.
later, archie

Thank you for the site.. I found it very interesting and more helpful
then that past 4 sites that I had visted today.

gordonites


--- In semwar@y..., "Chris Kimball" <flaterritory@y...> wrote:
> Seminole War history: http://tfn.net/~cdk901/Seminole%
20War/Index.htm
>
> I have updated my Seminole War webpage, and it is now hosted by
> Tallahassee Freenet.  The advantages are that there are no annoying
> pop-up ads and other stuff that you don't want to see.  With the
help
> of some friends, I have made a few changes, but the content is the
> same.  (First time anyone else has helped me with it since I
started
> the webpage in  1996.)
>
> Check it out and feel free to send me comments.  Sorry for the
funny
> looking url, but that's what I get for free.
>
> Mvto,
> Chris

I want to share this email from Nancy Miller. She
said to tell everyone that the little red-haired lady
without any fingers who can type 65 wpm and play the
piano is overjoyed. She was so happy that she was in
tears. From last year when she was bringing us the
petition at Dade Battlefield, to this past week, her
dreams have come true beyond anyone's expectation.
Not only has she gotten more than she realized was
possible, but by the full endorsement by Governor
Bush. And any site found in the area will be
purchased by the government to add to the site. Not
only the 200 acres she mentions, but all the public
land connected with it. Not even Fort King went so
fast thought the system to save the site. She will be
at Dade Battlefield at the end of the month, and will
be happy to tell the full story. One Above has really
looked upon her with favor. I have seen 3 different
bald eagles this week, so I knew that this is a
special time.

Besides being the site of one of the major battles in
the 2nd Seminole War that involved Creeks and
Seminoles fighting against each other, the Wahoo Swamp
is an important part of Florida's environment. Over
3,000 endangered plants and animals have been
identified there, including plants that have not been
seen anywhere else in Florida since the 1870's. The
place is a wonder to behold. Minimal development is
planned, to preserve this important site for all of
us.
Sincerely,
Chris

Hi Chris, Great news!!!! WE DID IT!!!!!!!!!!!
WAHOO is being
brought by the State of
Florida's " Florida Forever Project" For full
Preservation!!!!! We will get
about 200 acres or so for the actual
Battlefield. We have also been
approved for our Federal Grant to start
full Archaeological assessment's
on the Site. Please give me a call so
I
can tell you more. I am wiped
out and just got home from Tallahassee. I
am going to take a nice breather
for the Holiday's. Talk with you soon.

Nancy Miller

I don't know if Ralph is on this list or not.

  A newsletter of Florida park volunteers named Ralph Van Blarcom as
Volunteer of the Year. Ralph is one of only two people who have
received this award for this year. Some of you probably know Ralph
from Fort Foster. The newsletter says:

  Ralph Van Blarcom, Hillsborough River State Park, has taken a
leadership role in many park and CSO projects. In 2001, he volunteered
1,668 hours and has contributed over 5,000 hours in six years. During
that time, he has taken charge of improvements and expansion of the
living history programs presented at Fort Foster, the park's
reconstructed Seminole War Fort. Among the many projects he has
spearheaded are the Fort Foster Memorial, the first web site for Ft.
Foster, black powder training for the park's reenactors, direction of
numerous Eagle Scout projects, the Fort Foster Rendezvous and living
history programs for children. Ralph has been honored by numberous
park and community awards for his service to the park.

  If anyone sees Ralph, be sure to congratulate him!

Okay, what is all this trash?  Have we been hacked?
Archie, see if you can delete these files mentioned
during the last day if I am unable too.  Looks like it
might be porn.
And Gordonites or whoever you are, your outrageous
conspiracy theories have nothing to do with this
group.  Claiming that the United States wants to
exterminate half the world's population is totally
ridiculous.




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The Battle of Royal Palm Hammock
1857-Third Seminole War Battle Reenactment

February 15-16, 2003
Collier-Seminole State Park
South of Naples on Hwy. 41/Tamiami Trail

Contact Ralph Smith for Registration/Information, (239) 394-3397

Park provides for reenactors: Blackpowder, 3 meals on Saturday and 2
meals on Sunday.  Please call before event and give a count of how
many people in your party.

We're off to the Dade Battlefield. Hope to see you all there. Have fun
Nancy Miller

At one of the historical training or black powder training seminars
we attended at Hillsborough River State park years ago we received a
pattern entitled 1840's Military Issue Shirt.

In making copies for someone else we seem to have misplaced our
original.

Does anyone have a copy they can email me. It was 1 page front and
back I believe.

Gary

In Feb 2003 "Militarly Heritage" on page 70 is an article about the
seminole Ambush, with a beautiful pictures painted by Ken Hughes.

I wrote the following letter to Military Heritage magazine about their
recent article.  I find Dade's battle full of a lot of ironies.

Dear Military Heritage,

Thank you for your article on Dade's Battle in the February 2003
issue.  As someone who has researched the war extensively, I would
like to add a few more very interesting items about the battle.
One of the biggest ironies of the battle was that ten years earlier,
Captain Francis Dade took one company of soldiers and built the
military road that he would later be killed upon.  If he seemed
unconcerned for the safety of his command, it was because that ten
years earlier he had opened the road during an Indian upraising with
only half the soldiers that he had in 1835.

There was one officer from Dade's command that survived.  When Captain
Gardiner arrived with the command and joined Major Dade, Lt. Benjamin
Alvord was sent back to Fort Brooke.  Alvord never mentioned much
about Dade's command.   He was the last officer to see Major Dade
alive.  Alvord participated in the last campaign of the war in 1842
with Col. William J. Worth in April 1842, so he had the distinction of
participating in the first and last campaigns of the war.

At the same time, General Duncan Clinch was gathering a large force at
Fort Drane for a campaign to drive the Seminoles out of the
Withlacoochee and down to Fort Brooke.  The companies he removed from
Fort King left the same morning that Major Dade was killed.

During Clinch's battle on the Withlacoochee three days after the death
of Major Dade, none of the Army there knew the fate of Dade and his
command, but they were beginning to suspect the worst.  A letter
written at Fort King by Lt. Joseph W. Harris mentioned the following:
"The troops from Tampa have not yet arrived and we feel exceedingly
anxious about them.  It is said a soldier's knapsack was found on the
battle ground of the 31st; dropped by one of the enemy."

Besides Osceola's death at Fort Moultrie in SC, one of the other
Seminole leaders prominent during December 1835 also perished in the
process of removal.  Ote Emathla, or Jumper, died and was buried at
Fort Pike near New Orleans.  From being at Fort Mimms in 1813 to
Dade's defeat, few Indians like Jumper had ever seen so many dead
white men.


Sincerely,
Christopher Kimball

I just received this from Nancy Miller.  This is just down the road
from Dade Battlefield, and looks like a worthwhile event.  As most of
you know, Sumter County has a lot of history connected to the 2nd
Seminole War.  Date is Saturday March 29th.  Remember that this is a
festival and not a reenactment, which is why they have the fee.  Nancy
has done a great job with the Historical Society in the county, as
well as saving the Wahoo Swamp and Battlefield recently.

      Hi Chris, just a quick note to let you know that I am in charge
of coordinating the 150th Birthday Party for Sumter County. That's
right we turned 150 years old. The party will be held at the
fairgrounds near Bevilles corner on Hwy. 471 between Center Hill and
Webster, Florida.
      I would like to offer you and anyone else who wishes to
participate in this party a chance to get the first line row where we
are setting up our Vendor Booth's. It is only $30.00 for the day and
you can sell anything you like. Tell stories, give demonstrations or
what ever you like. The fee's will pay for the price or the insurance
and the use of the Fairground's. Any  profits will be split between
the Sumter historical Society and the Sumter Boy's and Girls Club. We
are doing this to promote the history of Sumter County and the State
of Florida and how we became a county. Hence, (the government took the
land from the indians.)
      Chris if you know of any group of reactor's for either side of
the Seminole War's please pass this along to them. The sumter County
Historical Society will be using their funds that they receive to help
build a Cultural Center and Museum for the Kid's to learn from. So
please let everyone know. They can contact me for any information that
maybe needed and I can forward them onto the right person who may be
handling whatever they may need. The date of the Party is March 29th,
2003, and to be held from 10:00am to 5:00pm. All vendors and crafters
or whoever will be allowed in the day before to set up their area.
Please call me and let me know what you think. It would be a pleasure
to have you and some of the group to participate in teaching the kid's
of this state about our History.

                       Sincerely,
                       Nancy Miller
                       1-352-568-7488

Christine Smalls is calling for an accurate count of those who wish
to participate in this event. It is scheduled to be held February 22-
23. If you can make it please respond via my email rodent70@...
so I can get her numbers. If you know anyone that is interested and
not on a member of this group please let them know.

There was a large contingent of militia at this battle and CW
reenactors may opt to come out and use their percussion cap rifled-
muskets. Appropriate wear should be trousers of any color other than
sky blue, a civilian shirt, civilian headgear and CW accouterments
although white leather is preferred but there was a great deal of
blackened leather used on campaign during this period. I encourage
all members of this site to try and recruit new people to this hobby
that is startoing to fade away unless we try and save this hobby
which is nearly forgotten to most Floridians, part time and full time
residents.

This event is held on the actual battlefield and the society there is
very accomadating. Food, hay, and firewood is provided all weekend.
Last year there was a auction and party, with a live band, at a local
establishment all proceeds went to save this battlefield. If you need
directions please email me and I will get that for you. This is a
great event and always a good time.

I am your most humble and obedient servant,
Matt Overton