I have never met this person, but I've had her picture
bookmarked for years:
http://www.geocities.com/zaynabturk/pw/lilib.html

--Sfandra


--- Marilyn Kinyon <mamalynxx@...> wrote:

> I have a friend who is planning on getting married
> at one of our local
> events and wants to do a Russian / Slavic wedding.
> I looking for garb
> input for her. I know some of you have already done
> this and thought you
> might have pictures or ideas?
>
> Thanks in advance .
> Marija
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been
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>
>
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>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
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******************
Posadnitsa Sfandra Dmitrieva Chernigova
KOE, Maunche, Apprentice to Maitresse Irene LeNoir
Haus Von Drakenklaue
Kingdom of the East
******************
Never 'pearl' your butt.

I looked up the TI article and the link is bad. 404 error
I'd be interrested in reading it. Can you give a good link or send a
copy of your article to mladymeisha at yahoo
Meisha

is

http://www.goldschp.net/archive/wedding.html
Russian wedding info link  and Thanks to Paul for the informative article.

Thank you all for the input and more is always welcome. The wedding
will take place next fall so we have plenty of time. A few of you me
the lady in question at Pennsic this year. She was at the SIG
gathering with me... Lady Kalli

I've been reading here for quite awhile and truly appreciate the time
and effort as well as the generosity that so many of you have in
sharing your research.  To introduce myself; I'm in an area with no
SCA chapter, so I don't really have a persona, but I have a serious
interest in textile history (my thesis was on aspects of Elizabethan
sumptuary law-- always a great way to introduce yourself if someone
has insomnia :p.)  Recently I have become very intrigued by the
embroidery and decorative tradition of the Slavs.  My kitchen drawers
are filling up with rushniki and my husband is starting to be
concerned about my consumption of red thread. :)   I would really like
to develop a 12th-13th century Russian persona if the opportunity ever
presents itself just to have an excuse to do something with all the
embroidery.

One of my major mundane interests (in addition to embroidery,sewing
and costuming in general) is in felting and I was wondering if any of
you could point me in the right direction for documentation regarding
felt boots?  I've made quite a few pairs of modern felt boots and
slippers over the years as well as some felt boot liners for Mongol
style boots and am in the middle of working on a rather sketchy
version of the Khazar felt boot.  I'd like to make some valenki for
some friends and would really like to be able to include some
documentation for them.

Thank you for letting me join the group and I look forward to getting
to know you

-Hastings

here is a web resource for you and her to take a look at

http://kazi.webz.cz/wagner/index.html

There is a book that these images come from, but i cant recall the
title right now. When i get back home, ill pull it off the shelf and
post it for you. These line drawings are often tracings of the
originals from period sources, but because of that some details may be
lost. However, it will give you a good start to 14th and 15th century
Bohemian style and fashion.

I wish her the best of luck, i too am working on a proper bohemian
persona and finding it very difficult yet interesting topic to
research. Hope to be of help

Best of luck,
          Milan

You do valenki? I was just talking to a Lord in Akron about them today! Would it
be possible to see some pictures?

Best Regards,
'dok
"Dreams are only the realities of yesterday waiting to happen"

--- On Mon, 2/2/09, Hastings Sanderson <hodgepatch@...> wrote:

From: Hastings Sanderson <hodgepatch@...>
Subject: [sig] Introducing myself and a question about valenki
To: sig@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, February 2, 2009, 1:46 PM






I've been reading here for quite awhile and truly appreciate the time
and effort as well as the generosity that so many of you have in
sharing your research. To introduce myself; I'm in an area with no
SCA chapter, so I don't really have a persona, but I have a serious
interest in textile history (my thesis was on aspects of Elizabethan
sumptuary law-- always a great way to introduce yourself if someone
has insomnia :p.) Recently I have become very intrigued by the
embroidery and decorative tradition of the Slavs. My kitchen drawers
are filling up with rushniki and my husband is starting to be
concerned about my consumption of red thread. :) I would really like
to develop a 12th-13th century Russian persona if the opportunity ever
presents itself just to have an excuse to do something with all the
embroidery.

One of my major mundane interests (in addition to embroidery,sewing
and costuming in general) is in felting and I was wondering if any of
you could point me in the right direction for documentation regarding
felt boots? I've made quite a few pairs of modern felt boots and
slippers over the years as well as some felt boot liners for Mongol
style boots and am in the middle of working on a rather sketchy
version of the Khazar felt boot. I'd like to make some valenki for
some friends and would really like to be able to include some
documentation for them.

Thank you for letting me join the group and I look forward to getting
to know you

-Hastings


















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In case anyone wants to take a look at some modern
valenki, to get some ideas...

http://www.stpetersburger.com/html/russian_valenki.html

--Sfandra
--I love that website, I've received some pendants
from Sampo from that site...



--- Tim Nalley <mordakus@...> wrote:

> You do valenki? I was just talking to a Lord in
> Akron about them today! Would it be possible to see
> some pictures?
>
> Best Regards,
> 'dok
> "Dreams are only the realities of yesterday waiting
> to happen"
>
> --- On Mon, 2/2/09, Hastings Sanderson
> <hodgepatch@...> wrote:
>
> From: Hastings Sanderson <hodgepatch@...>
> Subject: [sig] Introducing myself and a question
> about valenki
> To: sig@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Monday, February 2, 2009, 1:46 PM
>
>
>
>
>
>
> I've been reading here for quite awhile and truly
> appreciate the time
> and effort as well as the generosity that so many of
> you have in
> sharing your research. To introduce myself; I'm in
> an area with no
> SCA chapter, so I don't really have a persona, but I
> have a serious
> interest in textile history (my thesis was on
> aspects of Elizabethan
> sumptuary law-- always a great way to introduce
> yourself if someone
> has insomnia :p.) Recently I have become very
> intrigued by the
> embroidery and decorative tradition of the Slavs. My
> kitchen drawers
> are filling up with rushniki and my husband is
> starting to be
> concerned about my consumption of red thread. :) I
> would really like
> to develop a 12th-13th century Russian persona if
> the opportunity ever
> presents itself just to have an excuse to do
> something with all the
> embroidery.
>
> One of my major mundane interests (in addition to
> embroidery,sewing
> and costuming in general) is in felting and I was
> wondering if any of
> you could point me in the right direction for
> documentation regarding
> felt boots? I've made quite a few pairs of modern
> felt boots and
> slippers over the years as well as some felt boot
> liners for Mongol
> style boots and am in the middle of working on a
> rather sketchy
> version of the Khazar felt boot. I'd like to make
> some valenki for
> some friends and would really like to be able to
> include some
> documentation for them.
>
> Thank you for letting me join the group and I look
> forward to getting
> to know you
>
> -Hastings
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been
> removed]
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>


******************
Posadnitsa Sfandra Dmitrieva Chernigova
KOE, Maunche, Apprentice to Maitresse Irene LeNoir
Haus Von Drakenklaue
Kingdom of the East
******************
Never 'pearl' your butt.

On Monday 02 February 2009 2:33:24 pm Milan wrote:
> here is a web resource for you and her to take a look at
>
> http://kazi.webz.cz/wagner/index.html
>
> There is a book that these images come from, but i cant recall the
> title right now.

It wouldn't be "Gothic Woman's Fashion" by Olga Sronkova, would it?


--
Cathy Raymond <cathy@...>

"If someone offers you a dead dog for lunch, you don't stick around for the
pudding." --Ben "Yahtzee" Croshaw




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Nope the book is...

Medieval Costume, Armour and Weapons

By: Edward Wagner, Zoroslava Brobna', and Jan Durdik
ISBN: 0-486-41240-7
published by Dover Publications.

the czech title is i believe
"Kroje, zbroj a zbrane doby predhusitske' a husitske"

It focuses on 1350-1450 Hope this was helpful! Best of luck!


Milan

I've never made any Valenki as such.  I've done several pairs of wool boots
from customized lasts though, so the Valenki would be less complex as they
aren't as shaped.  Hoping to try it out in the next few weeks, I'm just
processing a couple of fleeces now for the wool.  I'll post pictures as soon
as I make the attempts.


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Greetings from Sofya!

The results of the Russian Alternate Titles List Revision are available on the
November 2008 LoAR:
http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2008/11/08-11cl.html

Although the key titles of "masteritsa" and "boiarin/boiarynia" were returned
(and are being prepared for re-submission), many of the other proposed titles
were accepted!

I hope you find them useful.

At your service,

Sofya

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Mason City, IA aka Shire of Heraldshill, Calontir
http://www.strangelove.net/~kieser
"Si no necare, sana." "Mir znachit Pax Romanov"
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Lady Sofya,

   Im confused, why is'nt knight considered a title or am I thinking the wrong
way? Im not following the reasoning here. I usually just lurk but this drew my
interest





Yours in Humble Service,
Dmitrii Zarekoi Ivanov













To: sig@yahoogroups.com
From: lkies@...
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 20:49:36 -0500
Subject: [sig] Russian Alternate Titles List Update





Greetings from Sofya!

The results of the Russian Alternate Titles List Revision are available on the
November 2008 LoAR:
http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2008/11/08-11cl.html

Although the key titles of "masteritsa" and "boiarin/boiarynia" were returned
(and are being prepared for re-submission), many of the other proposed titles
were accepted!

I hope you find them useful.

At your service,

Sofya

----------------------------------------------------------
Lisa M. Kies, MD aka HL Sofya la Rus, CW, CSH, uchenitsa Kramolnikova
Mason City, IA aka Shire of Heraldshill, Calontir
http://www.strangelove.net/~kieser
"Si no necare, sana." "Mir znachit Pax Romanov"
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This is awesome! i was actually having a heated discussion on whether or not i
can say Velikii Kniaz in wording of a scroll instead of Tsar, which is a late
period term. I'm so glad to hear of these changes.

Lada

Oooooh...
SHINY!

--- On Tue, 2/3/09, L.M. Kies <lkies@...> wrote:

From: L.M. Kies <lkies@...>
Subject: [sig] Russian Alternate Titles List Update
To: sig@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, February 3, 2009, 8:49 PM











             Greetings from Sofya!



The results of the Russian Alternate Titles List Revision are available on the
November 2008 LoAR:

http://heraldry. sca.org/loar/ 2008/11/08- 11cl.html



Although the key titles of "masteritsa" and "boiarin/boiarynia" were returned
(and are being prepared for re-submission) , many of the other proposed titles
were accepted!



I hope you find them useful.



At your service,



Sofya



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Lisa M. Kies, MD aka HL Sofya la Rus, CW, CSH, uchenitsa Kramolnikova

Mason City, IA aka Shire of Heraldshill, Calontir

http://www.strangel ove.net/~ kieser

"Si no necare, sana." "Mir znachit Pax Romanov"

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Greetings from Sofya,

>Im confused, why is'nt knight considered a title or am I thinking the wrong
way?

I believe the conclusion of the LoAR is that "druzhinnik" is not a title and
therefore not a suitable Russian equivalent for the title Knight.  Since I have
only one period source of this term that largely died out in Kievan period, I
have no basis to debate the point, nor am I inclined to try again to get it
passed and thereby inflict in on later period personas.  So for now, Russian
Knights must settle for the just-as-poorly-documented and un-Russian title
Rytsar.  (Until I manage to get boiarin/boiarynia passed.)

At your service,

Sofya


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Go Sofya!!!  Glad to see some progress has been made...course I'll have to
wait on the final outcome of the Boier discussion.

Ianuk

On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 7:21 PM, Yevgeniya Pechenaya <ladie_lada@...>wrote:

>   This is awesome! i was actually having a heated discussion on whether or
> not i can say Velikii Kniaz in wording of a scroll instead of Tsar, which is
> a late period term. I'm so glad to hear of these changes.
>
> Lada
>
> Oooooh...
> SHINY!
>
> --- On Tue, 2/3/09, L.M. Kies <lkies@... <lkies%40jumpgate.net>>
> wrote:
>
> From: L.M. Kies <lkies@... <lkies%40jumpgate.net>>
>
> Subject: [sig] Russian Alternate Titles List Update
> To: sig@yahoogroups.com <sig%40yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Tuesday, February 3, 2009, 8:49 PM
>
> Greetings from Sofya!
>
> The results of the Russian Alternate Titles List Revision are available on
> the November 2008 LoAR:
>
> http://heraldry. sca.org/loar/ 2008/11/08- 11cl.html
>
> Although the key titles of "masteritsa" and "boiarin/boiarynia" were
> returned (and are being prepared for re-submission) , many of the other
> proposed titles were accepted!
>
> I hope you find them useful.
>
> At your service,
>
> Sofya
>
> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -
>
> Lisa M. Kies, MD aka HL Sofya la Rus, CW, CSH, uchenitsa Kramolnikova
>
> Mason City, IA aka Shire of Heraldshill, Calontir
>
> http://www.strangel ove.net/~ <http://ove.net/%7E> kieser
>
> "Si no necare, sana." "Mir znachit Pax Romanov"
>
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>
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here is another link,

http://www.kostym.cz/

Click on the screen, then click the british flag to get it into
english. Most of the site is in Czech, but you can click your way
through to find what you want.

Also check out Slovnik.cz and googles language tools to translate
things into english. In order to research this culture you are pretty
much forced to work through czech (and german) language resources.

Cheers!
  Milan

Thank you Lady Sofya, your work is awesome and I wish you all the luck.





Yours in Humble Service,
Dmitrii Zarekoi Ivanov
"Russia is a mystery inside a riddle wrapped in a enigma!" Winston Churchill













To: sig@yahoogroups.com
From: lkies@...
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 21:22:26 -0500
Subject: RE: [sig] Russian Alternate Titles List Update





Greetings from Sofya,

>Im confused, why is'nt knight considered a title or am I thinking the wrong
way?

I believe the conclusion of the LoAR is that "druzhinnik" is not a title and
therefore not a suitable Russian equivalent for the title Knight. Since I have
only one period source of this term that largely died out in Kievan period, I
have no basis to debate the point, nor am I inclined to try again to get it
passed and thereby inflict in on later period personas. So for now, Russian
Knights must settle for the just-as-poorly-documented and un-Russian title
Rytsar. (Until I manage to get boiarin/boiarynia passed.)

At your service,

Sofya

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The three in my Kingdom use Syr....I tried to talk them into the unholy version
Tsyr, but they all said it was wrooooooong, which it is!

Best Regards,
'dok
"Dreams are only the realities of yesterday waiting to happen"

--- On Tue, 2/3/09, L.M. Kies <lkies@...> wrote:

From: L.M. Kies <lkies@...>
Subject: RE: [sig] Russian Alternate Titles List Update
To: sig@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, February 3, 2009, 9:22 PM






Greetings from Sofya,

>Im confused, why is'nt knight considered a title or am I thinking the wrong
way?

I believe the conclusion of the LoAR is that "druzhinnik" is not a title and
therefore not a suitable Russian equivalent for the title Knight. Since I have
only one period source of this term that largely died out in Kievan period, I
have no basis to debate the point, nor am I inclined to try again to get it
passed and thereby inflict in on later period personas. So for now, Russian
Knights must settle for the just-as-poorly- documented and un-Russian title
Rytsar. (Until I manage to get boiarin/boiarynia passed.)

At your service,

Sofya

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There are 2 other Russian words for Knight that may be applicable:
Vityaz - this word i think would be an appropriate equivalent to Knight since
this word was used to refer to the better soldiers or knights in our SCA case. I
can see if i can look up more references to the exact use of the word.
or
Bogatyr' (this i feel is less appropriate since it refers more to a hero than a
knight)

Lada

Oooooh...
SHINY!

--- On Tue, 2/3/09, L.M. Kies <lkies@...> wrote:

From: L.M. Kies <lkies@...>
Subject: RE: [sig] Russian Alternate Titles List Update
To: sig@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, February 3, 2009, 9:22 PM











             Greetings from Sofya,



>Im confused, why is'nt knight considered a title or am I thinking the wrong
way?



I believe the conclusion of the LoAR is that "druzhinnik" is not a title and
therefore not a suitable Russian equivalent for the title Knight.  Since I have
only one period source of this term that largely died out in Kievan period, I
have no basis to debate the point, nor am I inclined to try again to get it
passed and thereby inflict in on later period personas.  So for now, Russian
Knights must settle for the just-as-poorly- documented and un-Russian title
Rytsar.  (Until I manage to get boiarin/boiarynia passed.)



At your service,



Sofya



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> Bogatyr' (this i feel is less appropriate since it
> refers more to a hero than a knight)
>
> Lada

LOL!  My initial thought for "bogatyr" was "save that for the loonies who are
king more than twice!"   Colloquially, we call them "super-dukes" or
"insane".... ;p

--Sfandra


******************
Posadnitsa Sfandra Dmitrieva Chernigova
KOE, Maunche, Apprentice to Maitresse Irene LeNoir
Haus Von Drakenklaue
Kingdom of the East
******************
Never 'pearl' your butt.

I would very much second the idea of "Vityaz" as a likely appropriate term
for Knight.
"Latnik" (������) is a somewhat archaic word that might work, as well
(especially with its use of "laty" or armor as the root).

  ~Aryenne


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Latnik would i believe refer to a later period, because "laty" would refer to
full plate armor which didn't come around to Russia till later period.

Lada

Oooooh...
SHINY!

--- On Wed, 2/4/09, Jenna Mitelman <jenna.mitelman@...> wrote:

From: Jenna Mitelman <jenna.mitelman@...>
Subject: [sig] Re: Russian Alternate Titles List Update - Knight
To: sig@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, February 4, 2009, 4:18 PM

I would very much second the idea of "Vityaz" as a likely appropriate term
for Knight.
"Latnik" (������) is a somewhat archaic word that might work, as well
(especially with its use of "laty" or armor as the root).

  ~Aryenne


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Here's what I've got for period Russian knightly titles:

http://www.strangelove.net/~kieser/Russia/titlesmilitary.html

I'll be grateful for any additional documentation, because the other options
I've found just aren't used enough in the period
sources for me to be sure they're appropriate and, perhaps more importantly,
will be registerable.

Sofya

>------- Original Message -------
>
  >I would very much second the idea of "Vityaz" as a likely appropriate term
>for Knight.
>"Latnik" (ÌÁÔÎÉË) is a somewhat archaic word that might work, as well
(especially with its use of "laty" or armor as the root).

  ~Aryenne

So, dunno how many Easterners there are here, but right now, the East Kingdom
email listserv is AFIRE with discussions of Newbies, Bad Garb, and how to get
them Involved, and into Good Garb.

And one person, who I presume was demonstrating the slippery slope of enforcing
the SCA basic garb standard, went on to list the potentially 'not allowed'
things that some histronic gate volunteer might object to in enforcing the rule.
And of course Russia was on the list, as being "not European".  Now, they were
being facetious, of course, but I was suddenly struck by this thought:

There are FAR more Eastern European personas now than there were 7 years ago,
when I changed my persona to Russian.

Is that what other people are seeing too?  In addition to an increasing number
of EE/Slavic personas, I see the eastern europeans usually doing a MUCH better
job of presenting their persona than I do almost any other culture.  I see a
large volume of generic-Viking and generic-MiddleEastern at most large events,
but I also see more and more well-made shubas and geirmaks and kokoshniki
cropping up.

Are we just better, in some way, at encouraging good persona-presentation?

Mulling,
Sfandra Dmitrieva

******************
Posadnitsa Sfandra Dmitrieva Chernigova
KOE, Maunche, Apprentice to Maitresse Irene LeNoir
Haus Von Drakenklaue
Kingdom of the East
******************
Never 'pearl' your butt.

I think it's more personal pride, were breaking new ground for the SCA and
everyone wants it to go over with a bang. In Trimaris we have to be careful with
what garb we wear due to heat issues but otherwise the EE/Slavic and Silk Road
cultures are coming on strong here.





Yours in Humble Service,
Dmitrii Zarekoi Ivanov
"Russia is a mystery inside a riddle wrapped in a enigma!" Winston Churchill













To: sig@yahoogroups.com
From: seonaid13@...
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 14:02:19 -0800
Subject: [sig] Musings on SCA-cultural impact






So, dunno how many Easterners there are here, but right now, the East Kingdom
email listserv is AFIRE with discussions of Newbies, Bad Garb, and how to get
them Involved, and into Good Garb.

And one person, who I presume was demonstrating the slippery slope of enforcing
the SCA basic garb standard, went on to list the potentially 'not allowed'
things that some histronic gate volunteer might object to in enforcing the rule.
And of course Russia was on the list, as being "not European". Now, they were
being facetious, of course, but I was suddenly struck by this thought:

There are FAR more Eastern European personas now than there were 7 years ago,
when I changed my persona to Russian.

Is that what other people are seeing too? In addition to an increasing number of
EE/Slavic personas, I see the eastern europeans usually doing a MUCH better job
of presenting their persona than I do almost any other culture. I see a large
volume of generic-Viking and generic-MiddleEastern at most large events, but I
also see more and more well-made shubas and geirmaks and kokoshniki cropping up.

Are we just better, in some way, at encouraging good persona-presentation?

Mulling,
Sfandra Dmitrieva

******************
Posadnitsa Sfandra Dmitrieva Chernigova
KOE, Maunche, Apprentice to Maitresse Irene LeNoir
Haus Von Drakenklaue
Kingdom of the East
******************
Never 'pearl' your butt.









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When Ivan and I stepped up as B&B  almost 3 years ago now we were chided on
our first full day for bringing our personas too far.  It snowed that day in
Tucson...admittedly it only made it from the sky to about 3 feet from the
ground before it evaporated but it was a very chilly day in Atenveldt. Plus,
us using alternate titles confused people for a while but the people got
used to it.   I think the phrase "soon all will be Russian" kinda took off
from there.

I think we're leading by example, showing that simple things can make items
look good and all of the accessories make any outfit.  Plus, a Russian
persona stands out amid a see of general people.

Ianuk

On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 3:14 PM, christopher chastain <ckchastain@...
> wrote:

>
> I think it's more personal pride, were breaking new ground for the SCA and
> everyone wants it to go over with a bang. In Trimaris we have to be careful
> with what garb we wear due to heat issues but otherwise the EE/Slavic and
> Silk Road cultures are coming on strong here.
>
> Yours in Humble Service,
> Dmitrii Zarekoi Ivanov
> "Russia is a mystery inside a riddle wrapped in a enigma!" Winston
> Churchill
>
> To: sig@yahoogroups.com <sig%40yahoogroups.com>
> From: seonaid13@... <seonaid13%40yahoo.com>
> Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 14:02:19 -0800
> Subject: [sig] Musings on SCA-cultural impact
>
>
> So, dunno how many Easterners there are here, but right now, the East
> Kingdom email listserv is AFIRE with discussions of Newbies, Bad Garb, and
> how to get them Involved, and into Good Garb.
>
> And one person, who I presume was demonstrating the slippery slope of
> enforcing the SCA basic garb standard, went on to list the potentially 'not
> allowed' things that some histronic gate volunteer might object to in
> enforcing the rule. And of course Russia was on the list, as being "not
> European". Now, they were being facetious, of course, but I was suddenly
> struck by this thought:
>
> There are FAR more Eastern European personas now than there were 7 years
> ago, when I changed my persona to Russian.
>
> Is that what other people are seeing too? In addition to an increasing
> number of EE/Slavic personas, I see the eastern europeans usually doing a
> MUCH better job of presenting their persona than I do almost any other
> culture. I see a large volume of generic-Viking and generic-MiddleEastern at
> most large events, but I also see more and more well-made shubas and
> geirmaks and kokoshniki cropping up.
>
> Are we just better, in some way, at encouraging good persona-presentation?
>
> Mulling,
> Sfandra Dmitrieva
>
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I was wondering if somebody could post the proper pronunciation for
these titles. Just when I get used to saying and spelling pomestnik...hehe

Vlakh

L.M. Kies wrote:

> Greetings from Sofya!
>
> The results of the Russian Alternate Titles List Revision are
> available on the November 2008 LoAR:
> http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2008/11/08-11cl.html
> <http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2008/11/08-11cl.html>
>
> Although the key titles of "masteritsa" and "boiarin/boiarynia" were
> returned (and are being prepared for re-submission), many of the other
> proposed titles were accepted!
>
> I hope you find them useful.
>
> At your service,
>
> Sofya
>
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> Mason City, IA aka Shire of Heraldshill, Calontir
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I think it is that the Eastern European Impressions are still obscure enough
that most people interested in them are serious about the research and
portrayal.  Most of us, even with Eastern European roots, have grown up on
Western European History.  Plus, standard patterns and outfits exist and are
readily available for the more western European ones.  Also, some people may
want to more accurately portray a region, but may not know where to go.
  That, or I just don't recognize the subtleties of Western regional garb.

I'll admit that I have a more generic kit, as I am changing time periods
from 10th Century to early 14th Century.  I am still trying to figure out
what is proper for the region I am interested in (Principality of Nitra in
the 10th, which is part of Hungary by the 14th). As I figure that out, I
will augment my kit as time and money allows to reflect it.  Hopefully one
day I will have something together that makes sense. My hard kit has always
been better than my soft kit, but I hope to change that and have something
that will reflect my persona well both on and off the field.  It's one of
the main reasons I signed up for the SIG.  I want to do it right.

Rudolph

- Barony of Stonemarche, East Kingdom
On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 5:02 PM, Sfandra <seonaid13@...> wrote:

>
> Are we just better, in some way, at encouraging good persona-presentation?
>
> Mulling,
> Sfandra Dmitrieva
>
>  __._,_
>


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Someone (wink) has already updated the titles on the Russian Knowledge Pages,
along with pronunciations:
http://russiansig.wikispaces.com/SCA+Alternative+Titles

Oh, and Pomestnik is still on the list - particularly suitable for late period
personas.

Sofya

>
>I was wondering if somebody could post the proper pronunciation for
these titles. Just when I get used to saying and spelling pomestnik...hehe

Vlakh

L.M. Kies wrote:

> Greetings from Sofya!
>
> The results of the Russian Alternate Titles List Revision are
> available on the November 2008 LoAR:
> http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2008/11/08-11cl.html
> < " target=_new>http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2008/11/08-11cl.html>
>



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I'm late 10th, so Dvorianin seems most appropriate...

Dvorianin Vlakh Drugov syn Izmaragdov




   ----- Original Message -----
   From: L.M. Kies
   To: sig@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 10:36 PM
   Subject: RE: Re: [sig] Russian Alternate Titles List Update


   Someone (wink) has already updated the titles on the Russian Knowledge Pages,
along with pronunciations:
   http://russiansig.wikispaces.com/SCA+Alternative+Titles

   Oh, and Pomestnik is still on the list - particularly suitable for late period
personas.

   Sofya

   >
   >I was wondering if somebody could post the proper pronunciation for
   these titles. Just when I get used to saying and spelling pomestnik...hehe

   Vlakh

   L.M. Kies wrote:

   > Greetings from Sofya!
   >
   > The results of the Russian Alternate Titles List Revision are
   > available on the November 2008 LoAR:
   > http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2008/11/08-11cl.html
   > < " target=_new>http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2008/11/08-11cl.html>
   >

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