This was a trying year for me and I knew that I wouldn't enjoy Pennsic even if I
was able to scrape together the money. I am looking ahead to next year but
several things still need to happen before I make to Pennsic.

YIS
Magdalena

PS I have had time to start two icons as well as planning a local icon class.  I
have two people willing to commit to meeting once a week for at least six weeks.
That's commitment!

Hello everyone!

I am currently researching Period Russian Bardic works, and while I
have found a lot of information about the Byliny, I did find some
passing references to "fairy tales" in late period (1500's).

I need to write a bardic piece for Sergeantry Trials happening in my
principality, and if anyone has more information (or an idea of where
to look for more information) about a more free form way of writing
spoken tales, I would truly appreciate it.

Das Svedanya!
Kseniia

Kseniia,
I have 2 "russian story collections", one that's mostly very Aesop-esque short
tales, but no dates:
http://www.amazon.com/Russian-Fairy-Pantheon-Folklore-Library/dp/0394730909/ref=\
sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1312824217&sr=8-2

and the other that has a more reliably dated collection of byliny, excerpts from
chronicles, etc:
http://www.amazon.com/Medieval-Russias-Epics-Chronicles-Tales/dp/0452010861/ref=\
sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1312824257&sr=1-1


I would suggest that if you intend to write something original in the style of a
byliny, go with the second one.   The trick would be to make up an original
tale... IIRC, in the latter parts of the Primary Chronicle, there is some
information about a prince who instigated a battle, by telling lies &
flipflopping his support.    I can't think of who/when off hand; I'll grab it
tomorrow & send the references to you.   But that would be a historical event
that you could possible write a byliny about, particularly with a nice
moralistic theme...


There's always the option, also, of adapting one of the classic tales, such as
Ivan Ivanovich and the Grey Wolf, etc.

Cheers,
Sfandra

 
******************
Posadnitsa Sfandra Dmitrieva Chernigova
O.L., O.M., K.O.E., Haus VDK, East Kingdom
http://sfandra.webs.com
Never 'pearl' your butt.
******************


________________________________
From: Kristina Jarvis <kristina.jarvis@...>
To: sig@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, August 4, 2011 9:56 PM
Subject: [sig] Period Russian Bardic?

Hello everyone!

I am currently researching Period Russian Bardic works, and while I 
have found a lot of information about the Byliny, I did find some 
passing references to "fairy tales" in late period (1500's).

I need to write a bardic piece for Sergeantry Trials happening in my 
principality, and if anyone has more information (or an idea of where 
to look for more information) about a more free form way of writing 
spoken tales, I would truly appreciate it.

Das Svedanya!
Kseniia


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alibi http://zena-resort.de/lindex.php alibi

Hi everyone! I'm planning to write a children's novel set in 13th century
Russia, during the Mongol invasion, and I have a bunch of historical questions
which hopefully someone here could answer.

First of all, I'm looking for sources on the Kitezh legend, in English (French
might work too). Right now I have Munin Nederlander's book, which is useful
because it contains a medieval account of the story as well as the libretto for
Rimsky-Korsakov's opera. It also contains some byliny which aren't really
related to the Kitezh legend. Unfortunately the Anthroposophical commentary
which takes up much of the book is basically useless except for a good laugh.

If anyone can recommend some other sources, on or offline, that would be
wonderful.

Now, onto some more historically specific questions:

1. What exactly happened to the town of Suzdal in 1238? I know it was sacked but
did the Suzdalians put up a fight (like Ryazan, Moscow, and Vladimir did)? Did
they know the Mongols were coming? The only thing I can find about it is the
story from St. Euphrosyne's hagiography which states that her monastery was the
only place spared (due to her prayers).

2. What was standard, everyday dress for a Russian peasant girl at this time?
Especially during winter. Everything from headgear to footwear. I'm aware that
girls wore the kokoshnik but was this really worn every day? Nowadays its
traditional for Russian women and girls to wear headscarves, at least around
churches and monasteries. Were similar headscarves worn in the 13th century?

3. I know many people fled the towns and villages and hid deep in the forest. Do
we have any information on how they lived?

4. What was the likelihood for an ordinary Mongol soldier to speak any Russian?
I'm guessing highly unlikely but I just thought I'd ask.

Generally I'm trying to find as much information as I can about everyday life in
this period. The book will be more of a fantasy than a historical novel but I'd
like have as much historical background as I can. Thank you very much.

I need to do some digging, for source material, but during the 7th and 8th
crusades the french and the mongols worked together.  And there is record of
the monks sending messages back and forth.  Both french christian and Mongol
budist
Connected by DROID on Verizon Wireless

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From: sig@yahoogroups.com
To: sig@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, Aug 15, 2011 08:18:15 GMT+00:00
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I have a few replies to your questiones but as I am writing about Russian Middle
Ages in Italy I have only some pages either in Italian or in Russian (and/or in
German). Let me know which you can use of above languages and I will lead you
into the pages.

Ciao

Aldo

From: CrimsonOctopus
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 4:32 AM
To: sig@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [sig] Historical questions for 13th century Russia


Hi everyone! I'm planning to write a children's novel set in 13th century
Russia, during the Mongol invasion, and I have a bunch of historical questions
which hopefully someone here could answer.

First of all, I'm looking for sources on the Kitezh legend, in English (French
might work too). Right now I have Munin Nederlander's book, which is useful
because it contains a medieval account of the story as well as the libretto for
Rimsky-Korsakov's opera. It also contains some byliny which aren't really
related to the Kitezh legend. Unfortunately the Anthroposophical commentary
which takes up much of the book is basically useless except for a good laugh.

If anyone can recommend some other sources, on or offline, that would be
wonderful.

Now, onto some more historically specific questions:

1. What exactly happened to the town of Suzdal in 1238? I know it was sacked but
did the Suzdalians put up a fight (like Ryazan, Moscow, and Vladimir did)? Did
they know the Mongols were coming? The only thing I can find about it is the
story from St. Euphrosyne's hagiography which states that her monastery was the
only place spared (due to her prayers).

2. What was standard, everyday dress for a Russian peasant girl at this time?
Especially during winter. Everything from headgear to footwear. I'm aware that
girls wore the kokoshnik but was this really worn every day? Nowadays its
traditional for Russian women and girls to wear headscarves, at least around
churches and monasteries. Were similar headscarves worn in the 13th century?

3. I know many people fled the towns and villages and hid deep in the forest. Do
we have any information on how they lived?

4. What was the likelihood for an ordinary Mongol soldier to speak any Russian?
I'm guessing highly unlikely but I just thought I'd ask.

Generally I'm trying to find as much information as I can about everyday life in
this period. The book will be more of a fantasy than a historical novel but I'd
like have as much historical background as I can. Thank you very much.





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I found this passage on the Herb Companion page. Take note of the second
paragraph. I thought of you Patricia.

In Service
Magdalena


#3 Rue

The herb known as rue has a bit of a split personality. Shakespeare hailed it as
the "herb of grace" in a few of his works, and during medieval times it was
lauded for its capability to ease cramps, aid in menstruation, and of course,
ward off the plague and evil spirits. The Bible, however, refers to it as the
"herb of regret," and associates it with sadness and bitterness, hence the term
"You shall rue this day!"

Today, rue is still valued for its medicinal properties, and recognized as the
national herb of Lithuania. Traditionally, it is given to couples on their
wedding day to give them clarity in their marriage, which makes the whole grace
versus regret issue a bit more intriguing.



Read more:
http://www.herbcompanion.com/in-the-herb-garden/secrets-of-the-garden-5-mysterio\
us-plants.aspx#ixzz1VCtF7rgR

It's been a week, people!!!  Where's that SIG Meeting recap for those of us who
missed the War??

grins,
Sfandra



 

******************
Posadnitsa Sfandra Dmitrieva Chernigova
O.L., O.M., K.O.E., Haus VDK, East Kingdom
http://sfandra.webs.com
Never 'pearl' your butt.
******************

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Dear Octopus, as I see that it is for me difficult to condense a few words for
your topics, I decided to send over a book of mine where you can find a few
replies to your arguments. If you read better Polish than Italian then the book
I intend to send over is also available in the former language. If you think it
is feasible just let me have your address and I’ll ship it FOC.

Ciao

Aldo

From: CrimsonOctopus
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 4:32 AM
To: sig@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [sig] Historical questions for 13th century Russia


Hi everyone! I'm planning to write a children's novel set in 13th century
Russia, during the Mongol invasion, and I have a bunch of historical questions
which hopefully someone here could answer.

First of all, I'm looking for sources on the Kitezh legend, in English (French
might work too). Right now I have Munin Nederlander's book, which is useful
because it contains a medieval account of the story as well as the libretto for
Rimsky-Korsakov's opera. It also contains some byliny which aren't really
related to the Kitezh legend. Unfortunately the Anthroposophical commentary
which takes up much of the book is basically useless except for a good laugh.

If anyone can recommend some other sources, on or offline, that would be
wonderful.

Now, onto some more historically specific questions:

1. What exactly happened to the town of Suzdal in 1238? I know it was sacked but
did the Suzdalians put up a fight (like Ryazan, Moscow, and Vladimir did)? Did
they know the Mongols were coming? The only thing I can find about it is the
story from St. Euphrosyne's hagiography which states that her monastery was the
only place spared (due to her prayers).

2. What was standard, everyday dress for a Russian peasant girl at this time?
Especially during winter. Everything from headgear to footwear. I'm aware that
girls wore the kokoshnik but was this really worn every day? Nowadays its
traditional for Russian women and girls to wear headscarves, at least around
churches and monasteries. Were similar headscarves worn in the 13th century?

3. I know many people fled the towns and villages and hid deep in the forest. Do
we have any information on how they lived?

4. What was the likelihood for an ordinary Mongol soldier to speak any Russian?
I'm guessing highly unlikely but I just thought I'd ask.

Generally I'm trying to find as much information as I can about everyday life in
this period. The book will be more of a fantasy than a historical novel but I'd
like have as much historical background as I can. Thank you very much.





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Kseniia, are you still looking for information on Russian Bardic?

Because in tooling around Amazon today, I found this:
http://www.amazon.com/Pevcheskie-Traditsii-Drevnei-Rusi-tradtions/dp/5955101640/\
ref=sr_1_4?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1314039811&sr=1-4

If you read Russian, it could be of use.

--Sfandra


 

******************
Posadnitsa Sfandra Dmitrieva Chernigova
O.L., O.M., K.O.E., Haus VDK, East Kingdom
http://sfandra.webs.com
Never 'pearl' your butt.
******************

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Could you contact me off-list? Thanks!

--
Master Zygmunt Nadratowski
"The truth is, everyone is going to hurt you. You just got to find the ones
worth suffering for" - Bob Marley.
Want to learn to fight rapier or rattan? Ask me and I'll come & teach!
SCA Polish Culture Resource: http://www.plcommonwealth.org


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Replied privately.
 
--Sfandra
 

******************
Posadnitsa Sfandra Dmitrieva Chernigova
O.L., O.M., K.O.E., Haus VDK, East Kingdom
http://sfandra.webs.com
Never 'pearl' your butt.
******************

From: Pan Zygmunt Nadratowski <panzygmunt@...>
To: sig <sig@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2011 10:46 AM
Subject: [sig] Paging Mistress Sfandra....

Could you contact me off-list? Thanks!

--
Master Zygmunt Nadratowski
"The truth is, everyone is going to hurt you. You just got to find the ones
worth suffering for" - Bob Marley.
Want to learn to fight rapier or rattan? Ask me and I'll come & teach!
SCA Polish Culture Resource: http://www.plcommonwealth.org


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Greetings Slavic Interest Group!

As usual at this time of year, I'm looking for submissions for the
Fall Slovo.  Short articles, reviews, etc. appreciated.  The major
restriction is that it must be of interest to SIG.

Let me know if you have anything.

The deadline in October 1.

Thanks,
Paul (for SIG)

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href="http://www.topforexbrokers.org/wp-content/themes/dailyedition/aollink.php"\
>http://www.topforexbrokers.org/wp-content/themes/dailyedition/aollink.php</a>

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Anyone know what a Dworanica is?

Only reference is:
" Family originally of Polish ancestry. Have a "Dworanica" from the Russian
Ministry of Heraldry c 1905."

Thanks,
Sof'ia

--
Susan Saladini
www.spindlesend.net
susanrae@...


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Way too similar to dvoryanin to be a coincidence, I'll bet.  Possibly a
reference to one of the bearers of the surname in question having been
granted aristocratic status, made a "dvoryanin," circa 1905.

Just an educated guess, mind you.

Kazimir Petrovich
Meridies

On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 12:39 PM, Susan Saladini <susanrae@...> wrote:

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>
>
> Anyone know what a Dworanica is?
>
> Only reference is:
> " Family originally of Polish ancestry. Have a "Dworanica" from the Russian
> Ministry of Heraldry c 1905."
>
> Thanks,
> Sof'ia
>
> --
> Susan Saladini
> www.spindlesend.net
> susanrae@...
>
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>
>
>


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<<snip>>
> Anyone know what a Dworanica is?
<<snip>>

Dwór means 'court' or 'manor' (eg.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dw%C3%B3r_(manor_house) ), so I'd lean towards it
being some sort of grant of nobility/property?

Sorry it's not much,

~Asfridhr

Actually it is a charter of nobility which was granted to people/places either
for merits or by a special concession by the Russian Emperor.
Ciao

Aldo

From: Susan Saladini
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 6:39 PM
To: sig@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [sig] Anyone know what a Dworanica is?


Anyone know what a Dworanica is?

Only reference is:
" Family originally of Polish ancestry. Have a "Dworanica" from the Russian
Ministry of Heraldry c 1905."

Thanks,
Sof'ia

--
Susan Saladini
www.spindlesend.net
mailto:susanrae%40gmail.com

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Thanks everyone! That information is very helpful. I really appreciate it.

Sof

On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 5:04 PM, aldo <turanomar@...> wrote:

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>
> Actually it is a charter of nobility which was granted to people/places
> either for merits or by a special concession by the Russian Emperor.
> Ciao
>
> Aldo
>
> From: Susan Saladini
> Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 6:39 PM
> To: sig@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [sig] Anyone know what a Dworanica is?
>
>
> Anyone know what a Dworanica is?
>
> Only reference is:
> " Family originally of Polish ancestry. Have a "Dworanica" from the Russian
> Ministry of Heraldry c 1905."
>
> Thanks,
> Sof'ia
>
> --
> Susan Saladini
> www.spindlesend.net
> mailto:susanrae%40gmail.com
>
>
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--
Susan Saladini
www.spindlesend.net
susanrae@...


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and need to delete this account...  please use aberhardt at geemail dot com...

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Resurrecting a thread from two(!) years ago:

<<snip>>
> There are a number finds of a kind of small penannular brooch with a large,
trapezoidal ends that have turned up in Russia during the Viking Age, or 
possibly somewhat after that period.  I've heard of them being called "Omega
brooches" based on the shape.  So far as I know, they've only been found in
Russia.
<<snip>>
> Anyway, is anyone on the list familiar with any documentation involving this
type of brooch?
<<snip>>

Hopefully I've managed to put together some information (finally!) about these
brooches. It's mostly aimed at answering the questions of they are Viking Age,
and were worn by Norsewomen (the answers seem to be 'no' and 'no'). But, it adds
to some stuff I've written up for Slovo that might be useful:
http://www.medieval-baltic.us/syulgam.pdf

Hope it helps (or even better, inspires someone to look into Mordvin material
culture which would be downright awesome!)

Asfridhr, shameless self-promoter.

Hi all,

I found another online resource that might be useful for people:

Dan Cernovodeanu, 1977. Stiinta si arta heraldica in Romania/ La science et
l'art heraldiques en Roumanie (Bucarest : Editura Stiintifica si Enciclopedica)

http://digitool.dc.bmms.ro:8881/R/-?func=dbin-jump-full&object_id=850864&\
;silo_library=GEN01

It's from the Digital Library of Romania, http://dacoromanica.ro/, which also
seems to be useful if you are looking for pre-16th century documents (for
example, if you are trying to find names of people). The search function is
pretty neat, click on 'Căutare' for the search box, type in the word you're
looking for and it will pull up _all_ of the texts that contain that word. When
you then select the PDF copy of the book you're after, it'll automatically
search for all of that word's occurrences.

Hope it's useful!
~Asfridhr

I'm starting to put together the Fall Slovo and realizing that I have
nothing at all about Pennsic in it.  Was there a gathering?  Does
anyone have pictures?  Does anyone want to write a brief about it?

-- Paul

Yea, dunno, heard one was planned, but I was only there mid war week this year
and it was on Monday.

btw, and this would be to the whole sig list,  what are all the slavic
households that do show up pennsics, or sca events. I have heard of the slavic
village, but am wondering if there are any others.



Thanks,
pawel/jarnhauss

--- In sig@yahoogroups.com, Paul W Goldschmidt <goldschp@...> wrote:
>
> I'm starting to put together the Fall Slovo and realizing that I have
> nothing at all about Pennsic in it.  Was there a gathering?  Does
> anyone have pictures?  Does anyone want to write a brief about it?
>
> -- Paul
>

Hi there, all!  I'm Samantha.  I am coming back into the SCA after a very long
period away.  I'm in the beginning process of researching a 13th century
persona, either Hungarian or Romanian.  I saw some links in the Slovo Subject
List, but if anyone has any other handy advice, I'd love the help!  I am going
to be starting off fairly basic for the period and the area, so am looking for
just the run of the mill that a woman would wear about that time.

Any thoughts?  Thanks in advance!

On 10/09/2011 12:41 PM, mask_without_eyes wrote:
> Hi there, all!  I'm Samantha.  I am coming back into the SCA after a very long
period away.  I'm in the beginning process of researching a 13th century
persona, either Hungarian or Romanian.  I saw some links in the Slovo Subject
List, but if anyone has any other handy advice, I'd love the help!  I am going
to be starting off fairly basic for the period and the area, so am looking for
just the run of the mill that a woman would wear about that time.
>
> Any thoughts?  Thanks in advance!

You may find this site (lots of subpages) useful, if you haven't found
them yet:

http://www.eliznik.org.uk/RomaniaPortul/contents.htm



--
Cathy Raymond
cathy@...

"Beware how you take away hope from another human being."
--Oliver Wendell Holmes

Hope I am snipping enough.. I did read the rules, I promise!

Thank you, Cathy, I will check that link out posthaste!  :-)






> You may find this site (lots of subpages) useful, if you haven't found
> them yet:
>
> http://www.eliznik.org.uk/RomaniaPortul/contents.htm
>
>
>
> --
> Cathy Raymond
> cathy@...
>
> "Beware how you take away hope from another human being."
> --Oliver Wendell Holmes
>

. . . since I last posted here.  The reason?  I've been in Djibouti, Africa for
the last six months and had trouble with my internet access.  Anyway, as usual,
you can check out my pictures of Georgia plus those taken in Africa recently (if
you're interested) at the address below.

All the best,

Russ

http://travldawrld.blogspot.com/