Greetings,

We are looking for writers!

Our Battlefield Reporter has retired after 10+ years of faithful service, and so
we need someone to cover the armoured combat side at Pennsic. Ideally you would
be either a fighter who is not fighting or a fighting enthusiast, with some
journalism experience, but enthusiasm and ability to work on a deadline count
for a lot in this game.

We are also looking for someone to cover rapier, and a features writer.

All of these positions are paid. (Not paid nearly enough, but certainly enough
to have some fun with at Pennsic :-)

Please contact our editor at scarrollclark@...

Please feel free to repost to any list you feel appropriate.

Yis,


Lada

Sent from my iPhone


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I'm interested to learn more Mongolian games.  Can anyone help ?
We've learned three shagai/ankle bone games:

   -- the "shooting" game similar to marbles
   -- "horse race"
   -- the one similar to jacks, where you throw a chain in the air and
try to scoop up bones

I'm interested to get the rules to the version they play at Nadaam,
which involves a board and some other accoutrements.  Also, there's a
game we heard mentioned that involves building a turtle -- wondering
if it's the same as the colored frog layout we saw in the National
museum, and what's involved.

Other games we saw in the museum:

uichuur --  tiles or cards with pictures of animals
khorol -- tiles featuring zodiac animals and Buddhist symbols
baajii -- consists of a cross-shaped board painted with colored
squares, and cowrie shells as markers/pieces
jaran khavtga' / eight auspicious emblems -- similar to dominoes ?

We also saw ordinary dominoes - are the rules similar to the western
rules we learned as kids ?

Cheers,

Kazimira

PS:  I've comprehensively photographed the (period and earlier
sections of the)  Military History Museum and the National History
Museum in Ulaanbaatar, and the brand new museum in Kharkhorin, if
anyone is looking for something specific.

PPS: Found an awesome new book: _Mongol Costumes_, by B. Suvd and
A.Sarul, Academy of National Costumes Research, 2011.  ISBN
978-9962-444-9  In Mongolian and English.  There are a bunch of books
with the same or similar titles, but this one has photos of many of
the actual finds organized by period, plus line drawings, plus
reconstructions on models (some of those are obviously movie costumes,
but you can compare them to the finds they're based on right there,
so...)  Discovered that fake braids are period, hah!

I am Kira Baranova, from the Kingdom of An Tir.  I am very excited to have
joined this group and can see I have a LOT of reading to do.  I chose a Russian
persona to pay homage to my hometown in Alaska, and also because I love the
clothing.  I still have a lot to learn about the culture and to pick a more
specific time period, but I think I am in the right place for a lot of that.

My question - Is there a chance of obtaining Russian coins to use as "thank you"
tokens?  If so, where would I go?

Thank you in advance for your help!

Kira

Greetings Kira and welcome to the group!

Sadly, I am not sure where would you get the coins. I went to visit family last
year and never even thought that they can be of interest to anybody, otherwise I
would have brought a handful (:

Tatiana Moskovskaia
Kingdon of Northshield




--- In sig@yahoogroups.com, "Kira" <kira.baranova@...> wrote:
>
> I am Kira Baranova, from the Kingdom of An Tir.  I am very excited
>
> Kira
>

I know of  no source for replica coins, but I did find an inexpensive army
insignia that's awfully close to Ivan IV's crest:
http://www.stpetersburger.com/index.php/russian-army-insignias-double-headed-eag\
le.html

You could look for anything w/ the double-headed eagle, or make up something of
your own & learn to cast or stamp.  :-)   You could use bulk charms from a
wholesaler (http://www.closeoutjewelryfindings.com/index.htm) or beads, or
anything.  I'm currently using a metal stamping of a bird of paradise/firebird,
but in the past I've given out various things, from fancy pocket mirrors
(http://shop.nationalgeographic.com/ngs/product/home/home-accents/set-of-eight-r\
ajasthani-sparkling-pocket-mirrors) to bottle openers! (the latter was at
Pennsic.  Because hey, you always need a bottle-opener at Pennsic)  :-)

-Sfandra


******************
Boiarynia Sfandra Dmitrieva Chernigova
O.L., O.M., K.O.E., Haus VDK, East Kingdom
http://sfandra.webs.com
Never 'pearl' your butt.
******************


________________________________
  From: Kira <kira.baranova@...>
To: sig@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2012 1:16 AM
Subject: [sig] Introduction and question

I am Kira Baranova, from the Kingdom of An Tir.  I am very excited to have
joined this group and can see I have a LOT of reading to do.  I chose a Russian
persona to pay homage to my hometown in Alaska, and also because I love the
clothing.  I still have a lot to learn about the culture and to pick a more
specific time period, but I think I am in the right place for a lot of that.

My question - Is there a chance of obtaining Russian coins to use as "thank you"
tokens?  If so, where would I go? 

Thank you in advance for your help!

Kira



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I have a mold for casting pewter coins from when my husband and I were the
local seated Baron and Baroness...it has our names on one side with Rurik's
trident and the other side was the baronial arms but we can make a separate
back for it now if we wanted.

Pewter coins are very easy to make.

Ianuk

On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 5:43 AM, Sfandra <seonaid13@...> wrote:

> **
>
>
> I know of  no source for replica coins, but I did find an inexpensive army
> insignia that's awfully close to Ivan IV's crest:
>
>
http://www.stpetersburger.com/index.php/russian-army-insignias-double-headed-eag\
le.html
>
> You could look for anything w/ the double-headed eagle, or make up
> something of your own & learn to cast or stamp.  :-)   You could use bulk
> charms from a wholesaler (http://www.closeoutjewelryfindings.com/index.htm)
> or beads, or anything.  I'm currently using a metal stamping of a bird of
> paradise/firebird, but in the past I've given out various things, from
> fancy pocket mirrors (
>
http://shop.nationalgeographic.com/ngs/product/home/home-accents/set-of-eight-ra\
jasthani-sparkling-pocket-mirrors)
> to bottle openers! (the latter was at Pennsic.  Because hey, you always
> need a bottle-opener at Pennsic)  :-)
>
> -Sfandra
>
> ******************
> Boiarynia Sfandra Dmitrieva Chernigova
> O.L., O.M., K.O.E., Haus VDK, East Kingdom
> http://sfandra.webs.com
> Never 'pearl' your butt.
> ******************
>
> ________________________________
> From: Kira <kira.baranova@...>
> To: sig@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2012 1:16 AM
> Subject: [sig] Introduction and question
>
>
> I am Kira Baranova, from the Kingdom of An Tir.  I am very excited to have
> joined this group and can see I have a LOT of reading to do.  I chose a
> Russian persona to pay homage to my hometown in Alaska, and also because I
> love the clothing.  I still have a lot to learn about the culture and to
> pick a more specific time period, but I think I am in the right place for a
> lot of that.
>
> My question - Is there a chance of obtaining Russian coins to use as
> "thank you" tokens?  If so, where would I go?
>
> Thank you in advance for your help!
>
> Kira
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>


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Our Pennsic SIG meeting is scheduled for Sunday, Aug. 5 at 6pm in AS02 for 2
hours. 
I hope to see those of you coming to Pennsic there! I'll bring some food/drinks,
if you feel like bringing things too, that would be lovely. And the usual
projects/books/interesting objects of a Slavic persuasion are also welcome. 
Any other thoughts? Suggestions? Deeply troubling complaints? If this time/day
doesn't work for you I'm very sorry. The schedule didn't have very many open
spots for war week.
Margarita



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I have Krupnik that I recently made.  Would it be apropriate to bring that?

Mikolaj

--- In sig@yahoogroups.com, Shannon Anderson <kitonlove@...> wrote:
>
> Our Pennsic SIG meeting is scheduled for Sunday, Aug. 5 at 6pm in AS02 for 2
hours. 
> I hope to see those of you coming to Pennsic there! I'll bring some
food/drinks, if you feel like bringing things too, that would be lovely. And the
usual projects/books/interesting objects of a Slavic persuasion are also
welcome. 
> Any other thoughts? Suggestions? Deeply troubling complaints? If this time/day
doesn't work for you I'm very sorry. The schedule didn't have very many open
spots for war week.
> Margarita
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

I am very sad that I can not make the meet. It is, unfortunately,
conflicting with my barony's court time/date and I have business with the
court.

I hope to see many of you around, though!

-Katrusha

On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 8:46 AM, Gary C <gcheimis@...> wrote:

> **
>
>
> I have Krupnik that I recently made. Would it be apropriate to bring that?
>
> Mikolaj
>
>
> --- In sig@yahoogroups.com, Shannon Anderson <kitonlove@...> wrote:
> >
> > Our Pennsic SIG meeting is scheduled for Sunday, Aug. 5 at 6pm in AS02
> for 2 hours.
> > I hope to see those of you coming to Pennsic there! I'll bring some
> food/drinks, if you feel like bringing things too, that would be lovely.
> And the usual projects/books/interesting objects of a Slavic persuasion are
> also welcome.
> > Any other thoughts? Suggestions? Deeply troubling complaints? If this
> time/day doesn't work for you I'm very sorry. The schedule didn't have very
> many open spots for war week.
> > Margarita
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>
>



--
My SCA work: http://katrusha.blogspot.com/

My artwork: http://arathreel.deviantart.com/

My baked goods:
http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=251805&id=510143252&l=8fcf80877f

Laura Munn AKA Katrusha the Skomorokh
Artist
Writer
Baker


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Mikolj....booze is period! Ziggy makes a mean krupnik too!!!!!
'dok


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On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 4:02 PM EDT Laura Munn wrote:

>I am very sad that I can not make the meet. It is, unfortunately,
>conflicting with my barony's court time/date and I have business with the
>court.
>
>I hope to see many of you around, though!
>
>-Katrusha
>
>On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 8:46 AM, Gary C <gcheimis@...> wrote:
>
>> **
>>
>>
>> I have Krupnik that I recently made. Would it be apropriate to bring that?
>>
>> Mikolaj
>>
>>
>> --- In sig@yahoogroups.com, Shannon Anderson <kitonlove@...> wrote:
>> >
>> > Our Pennsic SIG meeting is scheduled for Sunday, Aug. 5 at 6pm in AS02
>> for 2 hours.
>> > I hope to see those of you coming to Pennsic there! I'll bring some
>> food/drinks, if you feel like bringing things too, that would be lovely.
>> And the usual projects/books/interesting objects of a Slavic persuasion are
>> also welcome.
>> > Any other thoughts? Suggestions? Deeply troubling complaints? If this
>> time/day doesn't work for you I'm very sorry. The schedule didn't have very
>> many open spots for war week.
>> > Margarita
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>--
>My SCA work: http://katrusha.blogspot.com/
>
>My artwork: http://arathreel.deviantart.com/
>
>My baked goods:
>http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=251805&id=510143252&l=8fcf80877f
>
>Laura Munn AKA Katrusha the Skomorokh
>Artist
>Writer
>Baker
>
>
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>
>
>
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>
>Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

Hi all,

Forgive me for de-lurking with a question but I have been asked for info
from a friend about 16th century Hungarian ladies costume. In particular
she's asking about this:
http://www.kostym.cz/Anglicky/8_Krejcovstvi/15_Lenka/VIII_15_14A.htm,
but since she costumes professionally I suspect she really wants sources
in general... Since I research neither that late, nor that far West, I'm
useless, so I'd appreciate any suggestions you have.

Humbly
Emy

Its not feeding but I bet its out of Irina Turnau's Costumes of Eastern Europe
15-18  Centuries. If so, she is an extremely reliable source, as she was a
highly respected historian and director of the Un. Of Polands dept of Material
Cultures in Warsaw. Or, it could be Irina Cesrcescu, ditectot of the Bulgarian
Staye Museum, also veru highly respected and very authoritative, and ssdly, I
believe also deceased.
           I'm always open to being wrong though!
'dok


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On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 7:42 AM EDT Melanie Peters-Turner wrote:

>Hi all,
>
>Forgive me for de-lurking with a question but I have been asked for info
>from a friend about 16th century Hungarian ladies costume. In particular
>she's asking about this:
>http://www.kostym.cz/Anglicky/8_Krejcovstvi/15_Lenka/VIII_15_14A.htm,
>but since she costumes professionally I suspect she really wants sources
>in general... Since I research neither that late, nor that far West, I'm
>useless, so I'd appreciate any suggestions you have.
>
>Humbly
>Emy
>
>
>

Link did not work for me

Zsigmond


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Wow I would love to see that as I have a Hungarian persona and a Hun
persona two different.

Zsiggy


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To get the link to work I deleted the comma at the end.
Cheers,

Ann


________________________________
  From: Melanie Peters-Turner <melanie@...>
To: SIG <sig@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, 25 July 2012 9:42 PM
Subject: [sig] 16th century Hungarian ladies costume


 
Hi all,

Forgive me for de-lurking with a question but I have been asked for info
from a friend about 16th century Hungarian ladies costume. In particular
she's asking about this:
http://www.kostym.cz/Anglicky/8_Krejcovstvi/15_Lenka/VIII_15_14A.htm,
but since she costumes professionally I suspect she really wants sources
in general... Since I research neither that late, nor that far West, I'm
useless, so I'd appreciate any suggestions you have.

Humbly
Emy




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http://steppes.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=board19&action=print&thread=1225

Not sure if this link has been posted yet or not, but it's a Hungarian site
someone posted to their Facebook.  Thought some folks might find it  useful

Juliana
(Jeanne)



________________________________

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Thank you very much

Zsigmond


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So I'm hoping to make this outfit before mid-September.

http://www.artchive.com/web_gallery/L/Lucas-The-Younger-Cranach/Barbara-Radziwil\
l-(1520-51)-c.1553-56.html

I'm trying to sort through the pieces.  I think I get the cap on top, but below,
how many pieces am I looking at?  What are the shapes?  Are these the podwika
and the bramka?  I'm having trouble understanding where one stops and the other
begins.

I realize I'm probably asking at the wrong time as everyone is off to Pennsic,
but I probably won't get started for a week or two because I am about to have a
baby at any minute!

Thanks,

Maudeleyn

I have no thing to offer, but WOW!  That is incredibly gorgeous.

And congratulations on the baby.  :-)

Kira Baranova
a newcomer to the group.  :-)

On Sun, Jul 29, 2012 at 2:12 PM, <maudeleyn@...> wrote:

> **
>
>
> So I'm hoping to make this outfit before mid-September.
>
>
>
http://www.artchive.com/web_gallery/L/Lucas-The-Younger-Cranach/Barbara-Radziwil\
l-
> (1520-51)-c.1553-56.html
>
> I'm trying to sort through the pieces. I think I get the cap on top, but
> below, how many pieces am I looking at? What are the shapes? Are these the
> podwika and the bramka? I'm having trouble understanding where one stops
> and the other begins.
>
> I realize I'm probably asking at the wrong time as everyone is off to
> Pennsic, but I probably won't get started for a week or two because I am
> about to have a baby at any minute!
>
> Thanks,
>
> Maudeleyn
>
>
>


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On 07/29/2012 05:12 PM, maudeleyn@... wrote:
> So I'm hoping to make this outfit before mid-September.
>
>
http://www.artchive.com/web_gallery/L/Lucas-The-Younger-Cranach/Barbara-Radziwil\
l-(1520-51)-c.1553-56.html
>
> I'm trying to sort through the pieces. I think I get the cap on top,
but below, how many pieces am I looking at? What are the shapes? Are
these the podwika and the bramka? I'm having trouble understanding where
one stops and the other begins.
>
> I realize I'm probably asking at the wrong time as everyone is off
> toPennsic, but I probably won't get started for a week or two because I am
> about to have a baby at any minute!

I don't know enough about period Polish costume even to know what the
podwika and the bramka are, but here's what I think I see going on in
the portrait (in case that inspires you):

It looks to me as though she is wearing a white cloth cap of some kind,
under a jeweled headwrap (part of it covers her ears, and another part
of it covers the top of her head).  I suppose the jeweled part could be
a separate hood and cap, but the "cap" like part on top looks too floppy
to be a separate cap.  I think that the part around her neck is a
separate collar, holding the wrap in place, and one end of the jeweled
headwrap is brought over the top of her head and tucked in at the side.
   Then, a velvet flat cap, made like the velvet flat caps men wore in
period but with a much shorter brim, is placed on top.


--
Cathy Raymond
cathy@...
(610) 805-9542

"Remember that time is money."
--Benjamin Franklin

I don't know the Polish terms because I tend to look at things from the
Lithuanian point of view. :-) But I too have been looking at this image and I
pretty much agree with Cathy's assessment.

I have no idea how that vaguely Elizabethan-style velvet cap is staying on her
head. Quite honestly, she looks miserable under all that jeweled finery!

Best wishes to you and your new little one, and I also wish you the best of luck
in trying to recreate this historic gown. I would love to read about your
progress, but I think you're going to be very busy!

Regards,
Patricia of Trakai

P.S. I just Googled "podwika bramka" and got this Slovo article by Master
Zygmunt: http://www.goldschp.net/SIG/slovo/news41.html.



-----Original Message-----
From: Catherine Olanich Raymond <cathy@...>
To: sig <sig@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sun, Jul 29, 2012 6:34 pm
Subject: Re: [sig] Sorting out Polish headgear


On 07/29/2012 05:12 PM, maudeleyn@... wrote:
> So I'm hoping to make this outfit before mid-September.
>
>
http://www.artchive.com/web_gallery/L/Lucas-The-Younger-Cranach/Barbara-Radziwil\
l-(1520-51)-c.1553-56.html
>
> I'm trying to sort through the pieces. I think I get the cap on top,
but below, how many pieces am I looking at? What are the shapes? Are
these the podwika and the bramka? I'm having trouble understanding where
one stops and the other begins.
>
> I realize I'm probably asking at the wrong time as everyone is off
> toPennsic, but I probably won't get started for a week or two because I am
> about to have a baby at any minute!

I don't know enough about period Polish costume even to know what the
podwika and the bramka are, but here's what I think I see going on in
the portrait (in case that inspires you):

It looks to me as though she is wearing a white cloth cap of some kind,
under a jeweled headwrap (part of it covers her ears, and another part
of it covers the top of her head).  I suppose the jeweled part could be
a separate hood and cap, but the "cap" like part on top looks too floppy
to be a separate cap.  I think that the part around her neck is a
separate collar, holding the wrap in place, and one end of the jeweled
headwrap is brought over the top of her head and tucked in at the side.
   Then, a velvet flat cap, made like the velvet flat caps men wore in
period but with a much shorter brim, is placed on top.


--
Cathy Raymond
cathy@...
(610) 805-9542

"Remember that time is money."
--Benjamin Franklin


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Can you re-post the link?
For me it is broken.
 
Kevin Ambrozijwski

--- On Sun, 7/29/12, maudeleyn@... <maudeleyn@...> wrote:


From: maudeleyn@... <maudeleyn@...>
Subject: [sig] Sorting out Polish headgear
To: sig@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, July 29, 2012, 4:12 PM



 



So I'm hoping to make this outfit before mid-September.

http://www.artchive.com/web_gallery/L/Lucas-The-Younger-Cranach/Barbara-Radziwil\
l-(1520-51)-c.1553-56.html

I'm trying to sort through the pieces. I think I get the cap on top, but below,
how many pieces am I looking at? What are the shapes? Are these the podwika and
the bramka? I'm having trouble understanding where one stops and the other
begins.

I realize I'm probably asking at the wrong time as everyone is off to Pennsic,
but I probably won't get started for a week or two because I am about to have a
baby at any minute!

Thanks,

Maudeleyn








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Here's the link again- although you might have to cut and paste in the browser:

http://www.artchive.com/web_gallery/L/Lucas-The-Younger-Cranach/Barbara-Radziwil\
l-(1520-51)-c.1553-56.html

Thanks for the thoughts so far- and actually, the only reason I know any of the
terms is due to Master Zygmunt.  Normally, I stick to 14th c. England and
France, so I'm doing a little travelling for this outfit!

I think I'll spend some time draping fabric around my head this afternoon and
see where it gets me.


Maudeleyn




--- In sig@yahoogroups.com, kevin purtrell <krpurtell@...> wrote:
>
> Can you re-post the link?
> For me it is broken.
>  
> Kevin Ambrozijwski
>
> --- On Sun, 7/29/12, maudeleyn@... <maudeleyn@...> wrote:
>
>
> From: maudeleyn@... <maudeleyn@...>
> Subject: [sig] Sorting out Polish headgear
> To: sig@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Sunday, July 29, 2012, 4:12 PM
>
>
>
>  
>
>
>
> So I'm hoping to make this outfit before mid-September.
>
>
http://www.artchive.com/web_gallery/L/Lucas-The-Younger-Cranach/Barbara-Radziwil\
l-(1520-51)-c.1553-56.html
>
> I'm trying to sort through the pieces. I think I get the cap on top, but
below, how many pieces am I looking at? What are the shapes? Are these the
podwika and the bramka? I'm having trouble understanding where one stops and the
other begins.
>
> I realize I'm probably asking at the wrong time as everyone is off to Pennsic,
but I probably won't get started for a week or two because I am about to have a
baby at any minute!
>
> Thanks,
>
> Maudeleyn
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

On 7/30/2012 6:40 AM, kevin purtrell wrote:
>
> Can you re-post the link?
> For me it is broken.
>
> Kevin Ambrozijwski
>
> --- On Sun, 7/29/12, maudeleyn@...
> <mailto:maudeleyn%40pobox.com> <maudeleyn@...
> <mailto:maudeleyn%40pobox.com>> wrote:
>
> From: maudeleyn@... <mailto:maudeleyn%40pobox.com>
> <maudeleyn@... <mailto:maudeleyn%40pobox.com>>
> Subject: [sig] Sorting out Polish headgear
> To: sig@yahoogroups.com <mailto:sig%40yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Sunday, July 29, 2012, 4:12 PM
>
>
>
> So I'm hoping to make this outfit before mid-September.
>
>
http://www.artchive.com/web_gallery/L/Lucas-The-Younger-Cranach/Barbara-Radziwil\
l-(1520-51)-c.1553-56.html
>
> I'm trying to sort through the pieces. I think I get the cap on top,
> but below, how many pieces am I looking at? What are the shapes? Are
> these the podwika and the bramka? I'm having trouble understanding
> where one stops and the other begins.
>
> I realize I'm probably asking at the wrong time as everyone is off to
> Pennsic, but I probably won't get started for a week or two because I
> am about to have a baby at any minute!
>
> Thanks,
>
> Maudeleyn
>
hi,
here is a tinyurl.com version *http://tinyurl.com/bqaryy5
more folks should use that
*


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Thank you Ann for letting us know about removing the comma. What a fantastic
site!

Irene
--- In sig@yahoogroups.com, Zsigmond Szekely <zsiggy66@...> wrote:
>
> Wow I would love to see that as I have a Hungarian persona and a Hun
> persona two different.
>
> Zsiggy
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Greetings to the list,

Does anyone know of card/tablet weaving examples from Kievan Rus or
nearby regions?  I'd like to weave a belt for myself, but can't find a
source for reproducible patterns.  I might just base a pattern on
embroidery or architectural motifs, but was really looking for
something more precise that I can site in documentation.

Thanks!
Lady Anya Sergeeva

Anya,
 
Answering this & the comment you left on my site:  there is a reference to
fabric with a "diamond" or "rhomb" pattern brocaded into it in Kolchin.  See
Sofya La Rus's translation
here:http://www.strangelove.net/~kieser/Russia/kolchin.html  it's towards the
end of of Page 94.  
 
For the project you commented on from my website, I was just learning card
weaving for the first time, so I used a very simple pattern that I felt was at
least 'diamond'-like, given my limited skills.   I have not done any extended
research into narrow weaving in Rus, but it's something I should look at....
hm....
 
now with a new project,
Sfandra

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O.L., O.M., K.O.E., Haus VDK, East Kingdom
http://sfandra.webs.com
Never 'pearl' your butt.
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  From: Anya Stickney <anyas5@...>
To: sig@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, August 17, 2012 6:41 PM
Subject: [sig] Card Weaving in Kievan Rus

Greetings to the list,

Does anyone know of card/tablet weaving examples from Kievan Rus or
nearby regions?  I'd like to weave a belt for myself, but can't find a
source for reproducible patterns.  I might just base a pattern on
embroidery or architectural motifs, but was really looking for
something more precise that I can site in documentation.

Thanks!
Lady Anya Sergeeva


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There are pictures of 3 narrow woven bands in "The Archaeology of Medieval
Novgorod in Context" ed. Mark Brisbane, in the article on textile
production. At least one of them looks tabletwoven.


Marya Kargashina

On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 6:12 AM, Sfandra <seonaid13@...> wrote:

> **
>
>
> Anya,
>
> Answering this & the comment you left on my site:  there is a reference to
> fabric with a "diamond" or "rhomb" pattern brocaded into it in Kolchin.
> See Sofya La Rus's translation here:
> http://www.strangelove.net/~kieser/Russia/kolchin.html  it's towards the
> end of of Page 94.
>
> For the project you commented on from my website, I was just learning card
> weaving for the first time, so I used a very simple pattern that I felt was
> at least 'diamond'-like, given my limited skills.   I have not done any
> extended research into narrow weaving in Rus, but it's something I should
> look at.... hm....
>
> now with a new project,
> Sfandra
>
> ******************
> Boiarynia Sfandra Dmitrieva Chernigova
> O.L., O.M., K.O.E., Haus VDK, East Kingdom
> http://sfandra.webs.com
> Never 'pearl' your butt.
> ******************
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Anya Stickney <anyas5@...>
> To: sig@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Friday, August 17, 2012 6:41 PM
> Subject: [sig] Card Weaving in Kievan Rus
>
>
> Greetings to the list,
>
> Does anyone know of card/tablet weaving examples from Kievan Rus or
> nearby regions?  I'd like to weave a belt for myself, but can't find a
> source for reproducible patterns.  I might just base a pattern on
> embroidery or architectural motifs, but was really looking for
> something more precise that I can site in documentation.
>
> Thanks!
> Lady Anya Sergeeva
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>


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Greetings from Sofya to Anya,

On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 5:41 PM, Anya Stickney <anyas5@...> wrote:
>
> Does anyone know of card/tablet weaving examples from Kievan Rus or
> nearby regions?  I'd like to weave a belt for myself, but can't find a
> source for reproducible patterns.  I might just base a pattern on
> embroidery or architectural motifs, but was really looking for
> something more precise that I can site in documentation.
>
> Thanks!
> Lady Anya Sergeeva

Examples are a little hard to find.

Lithuanian, Estonian, Latvian and Karelian examples can be
instructive.  Norse, too.

Searching in Russian can work:  ôËÁÎØÅ ÎÁ ÄÏÝÅÞËÁÈ is one term for
card-weaving.  You can add in ÁÒÈÅÏÌÏÇÉÑ (archeology) or ÄÒÅ×ÎÅÊ ÒÕÓÉ
(ancient Rus) to try to narrow things down further.
http://fox-hand-made.ru/tkachestvo-na-doshhechkah/
http://doris-zh.livejournal.com/2247.html
http://my.mail.ru/community/pytipravi/6713531D95A64782.html
http://svarga.3dn.ru/pasporta/pasport_volch.html
http://ellana666.livejournal.com/33500.html

There's a nice belt-weaving set-up shown here:
http://ia-iv.mosoblonline.ru/interview/94.html

http://www.narodko.ru/article/kroy/poaca_i_opoacki.htm
http://slavyanskaya-kultura.ru/slavic/symbol/vozdeistvie-slavjanskogo-ornamenta-\
na-organizm-cheloveka.html
http://zoroastrian.ru/node/1315
http://old-chest.narod.ru/tkach.htm

Hopefully those will whet your appetite!

Sofya

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That you everybody for your help!

Anya


On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 1:58 PM, Lisa Kies <lkies319@...> wrote:
> Greetings from Sofya to Anya,
>
> On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 5:41 PM, Anya Stickney <anyas5@...> wrote:
>>
>> Does anyone know of card/tablet weaving examples from Kievan Rus or
>> nearby regions?  I'd like to weave a belt for myself, but can't find a
>> source for reproducible patterns.  I might just base a pattern on
>> embroidery or architectural motifs, but was really looking for
>> something more precise that I can site in documentation.
>>
>> Thanks!
>> Lady Anya Sergeeva
>
> Examples are a little hard to find.
>
> Lithuanian, Estonian, Latvian and Karelian examples can be
> instructive.  Norse, too.
>
> Searching in Russian can work:  ôËÁÎØÅ ÎÁ ÄÏÝÅÞËÁÈ is one term for
> card-weaving.  You can add in ÁÒÈÅÏÌÏÇÉÑ (archeology) or ÄÒÅ×ÎÅÊ ÒÕÓÉ
> (ancient Rus) to try to narrow things down further.
> http://fox-hand-made.ru/tkachestvo-na-doshhechkah/
> http://doris-zh.livejournal.com/2247.html
> http://my.mail.ru/community/pytipravi/6713531D95A64782.html
> http://svarga.3dn.ru/pasporta/pasport_volch.html
> http://ellana666.livejournal.com/33500.html
>
> There's a nice belt-weaving set-up shown here:
> http://ia-iv.mosoblonline.ru/interview/94.html
>
> http://www.narodko.ru/article/kroy/poaca_i_opoacki.htm
>
http://slavyanskaya-kultura.ru/slavic/symbol/vozdeistvie-slavjanskogo-ornamenta-\
na-organizm-cheloveka.html
> http://zoroastrian.ru/node/1315
> http://old-chest.narod.ru/tkach.htm
>
> Hopefully those will whet your appetite!
>
> Sofya
>
>
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> Mason City, IA aka Shire of Heraldshill, Calontir
>                   ___
> http://www.strangelove.net/~kieser
>                      {o,o}
> "Mir znachit Pax Romanov"
>                        (__(|
> "Et nunc et semper, etiam atque etiam, et discere et exquire et alia."
>          -^-^-`
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