Agrippa influenced the later Grimoires very strongly. The Solomonic Tradition as it exists today is as at least as indebted to Agrippa as (say) the U.S....
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Bryan Garner
bryanashen
May 3, 2012 8:15 pm
Part of what I see on this list is a completely separation from the grimoric cycles. More pointedly, a total deviation from Solomonic grimoric magic which is...
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Bryan Garner
bryanashen
May 3, 2012 9:01 pm
I have to apologize for the multitude of grmatical and spelling errors from this one... a poor iphone email atempt from the car. ...
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Bryan Garner
bryanashen
May 3, 2012 10:03 pm
Jake, Believe it or not I understand and highly respect your position. I'm sorry to exasperate you on certain points as I enjoy your provoking thoughts and ...
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Rufus Opus
rufus_opus
May 4, 2012 1:26 am
... Bryan, with all due respect, I think you missed the point of the grimoires though. The whole operation is an introductory rite for noobs. A beginner's ...
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imperial.arts
May 4, 2012 10:23 am
... At the risk of repetition, there is always some circumstance under which an act is justified. In doing these conjurations you are forced to pick a spirit,...
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AaronL
kheph777
May 4, 2012 11:03 am
... Yeah, Jake! Don't you dare leave now. Bryan and Imperial Arts have their take on things, and they are more than welcome to share their viewpoint here....
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AaronL
kheph777
May 4, 2012 11:10 am
... ?? Where, Bryan, do you see this on this group? ... I think the opposing viewpoint here, Bryan, is that we do not agree that your view of Solomonic magick...
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AaronL
kheph777
May 4, 2012 11:14 am
I like this post, Bryan. It's just what I've been getting at. My point is simple - the Kos and Goetia is not the whole of the Solomonic tradition. If it's...
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AaronL
kheph777
May 4, 2012 11:16 am
Damn straight, Frater RO! I've said the same thing time and time again. One can be a purely Solomonic mage and still come across like a Hoodoo root-worker....
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MARCUS
marc_us25
May 4, 2012 11:18 am
... baffled by people drawn to Solomonic or grimoric magic but don't want anything to ... entails? Just do HooDoo, root  >working or Hedge magic, if...
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Akubata
fbsf2004
May 4, 2012 11:20 am
Wow! Mr. Stratton-Kent, your narrative about the book experience is very interesting and calls for a lot of musing. What do you think was the morale--the...
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Tyler Brown
tyler8779
May 4, 2012 11:20 am
Yeah, Okay Thanks, that makes so much sense. In all, this all sort of verifies my idea that magick, in the sense of consciousness, mental circuits, vibrations,...
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AaronL
kheph777
May 4, 2012 12:18 pm
... I think you have missed an important point. As Jake pointed out, the invisibility promised in the grimories descends quite directly from older rites that...
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AaronL
kheph777
May 4, 2012 12:25 pm
Greetings, Tyler As for shamanism, the reality was a bit more complex than you're thinking. He didn't "use the spirits of sickness to heal." In fact, the...
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Rob
atumankh
May 4, 2012 2:27 pm
... You seem to have missed the point of this debate; the argument of most of the people here was that the real, physical appearance of the spirit was a modern...
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Bryan Garner
bryanashen
May 4, 2012 4:36 pm
Marcus, Good job going back through the emails but I'm sorry, you really have no argument. Unless you can state to me that you have conducted numerous ...
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Kubilai
n0m4n0r32
May 4, 2012 9:02 pm
John, on another forum you once remarked that the power of the grimoires was inherent in the ritual rather than the development of the individual as in...
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MARCUS
marc_us25
May 4, 2012 9:03 pm
Aaron etal, I really dislike to be engaged in personal wars and bickering, this is a great group where vast knowledge, experiences and well-reasoned comments...
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AaronL
kheph777
May 4, 2012 9:38 pm
... <SIGH> Well, it was my hope that I could start a discussion that would bring in folks like you and Imperial Arts and others who have a more "traditional"...
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imperial.arts
May 4, 2012 11:14 pm
... To be clear, when I spoke of "development" there I was referring specifically to practices like meditation, concentration, and similar disciplines which...
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Kubilai
n0m4n0r32
May 5, 2012 1:25 am
Well, in the 4th Book of Occult Philosophy by (Pseudo-)Agrippa, it's quite clearly stated that it's best to give the licence to depart if the spirit does not...
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hypnovatos
May 5, 2012 7:09 am
Imperial, I am asking for clarification. Are you stating that you believe that an individual with no development in meditation/concentration/etc could pick up...
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imperial.arts
May 5, 2012 7:07 pm
... ____________________ Practices similar to Yoga have become standard training for ceremonial magic: stillness, breath-control, concentration, visualization,...
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odemihan
May 5, 2012 8:29 pm
HI All, I want to use this medium to thank ST.EXPEDITE,for helping me raise the necessary funds against all odds to rent an apartment,despite the fact that i...
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Kubilai
n0m4n0r32
May 5, 2012 8:29 pm
I would sincerely like to know your thoughts about how religious belief would affect the outcome of evocations John. I would not take any personal offence at...
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imperial.arts
May 5, 2012 9:56 pm
... ______________ It is my personal belief, to which I admit the possibility of a very wide margin of error, that God is far less concerned than we are about...
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Kubilai
n0m4n0r32
May 6, 2012 10:04 am
Thanks for your explanation John. I had attempted to follow both the Goetia and the Heptameron as close to the instructions as I can without substantial...
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Joel Van diver
joel_vandiver
May 6, 2012 10:07 am
Thank you Frater, I must admit I sort of dashed off these thoughts after a couple of cups of coffee before I went to work, and after seeing some of the very...
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Rufus Opus
rufus_opus
May 6, 2012 2:43 pm
... I found the understanding of the grimoires framework in Neoplatonics, not in the Bible (except the Gospel of John). The imagery and language may be...
