As this is April Fool's day I thought folks might like to hear
about a group of Somonic Fools.
      Back when Nixon was a good guy and I was young, I worked with a
bunch of poorly educated red-neck types at the mental hospital
located in Chattahochee, Florida. One Friday when the moon was full
and so were we (with beer) these guys began hacking on me for
reading Waites "Book of Ceremonial Magic." A few beers later it
became "do these spells work?" A few more beers and it was "we are
going to find out."
      The winter of '67-'68 was a cold one so we got more beer as
anti-freeze and went to the pauper's graveyard to call up the devil.
By the light of an electric torch I cut a circle with my pocket
knife and began reading the conjurations. The time is long past when
the name of the spirit could be called to mind, but he/she/it came.
Whether the coalesing of the fog was physicaly visible or occultly
visible I don't know, but the spirit was definately there. Suddenly
the graveyard was well supplied with hot and cold running drunks. I
got the feeling of "What the..." from the spirit. There was enough
sense left in me to read the license to depart, whereafter I too,
became a running drunk who just managed to make the car before it
shot off like a drag racer.
      Some start, huh?
James

LOL I had a similar experience once exorcising a spirit. At the time it
scared the carp out of me but now I can look back on it and laugh. Thanks.

Alph

a


On 4/1/08, grassa48 <Grassa48@...> wrote:
>
>   As this is April Fool's day I thought folks might like to hear
> about a group of Somonic Fools.
> Back when Nixon was a good guy and I was young, I worked with a
> bunch of poorly educated red-neck types at the mental hospital
> located in Chattahochee, Florida. One Friday when the moon was full
> and so were we (with beer) these guys began hacking on me for
> reading Waites "Book of Ceremonial Magic." A few beers later it
> became "do these spells work?" A few more beers and it was "we are
> going to find out."
> The winter of '67-'68 was a cold one so we got more beer as
> anti-freeze and went to the pauper's graveyard to call up the devil.
> By the light of an electric torch I cut a circle with my pocket
> knife and began reading the conjurations. The time is long past when
> the name of the spirit could be called to mind, but he/she/it came.
> Whether the coalesing of the fog was physicaly visible or occultly
> visible I don't know, but the spirit was definately there. Suddenly
> the graveyard was well supplied with hot and cold running drunks. I
> got the feeling of "What the..." from the spirit. There was enough
> sense left in me to read the license to depart, whereafter I too,
> became a running drunk who just managed to make the car before it
> shot off like a drag racer.
> Some start, huh?
> James
>
>
>


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grassa48 wrote:
> There was enough
> sense left in me to read the license to depart, whereafter I too,
> became a running drunk who just managed to make the car before it
> shot off like a drag racer.
>      Some start, huh?
> James

Chuckle...isn't that about par for the course? Well, aside from the
spirit actually showing itself?

Khepri

Hans;

I'm very interested in purchasing this censer IF it is still for
sale. Where would I send the funds to purchase it? Also, do you have
a picture of this censer?

Cristvs Vincit, Cristvs Regnat, Cristvs Imperat,

Alph

a

--- In solomonic@yahoogroups.com, "Hans Jaegerstatter"
<lichtpriester@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> Greetings!
>
> Hope this kind of message is ok to post. I'm not a dealer. I have a
> church-style censer/thurible that I'd like to sell. It's Byzantine,
> with bells on the chains, and is gold plated. In like-new condition.
> The top is surmounted by an equal armed cross, otherwise no
Christian
> imagery is on it. Total length is about 30" or so. Byzantine censers
> tend to be shorter than their western counterparts as they are swung
> differently.
> This was purchased new from Eastern Christian Supply and cost over
> $150.
> Would sell for $50. I'm selling it because I have two other
thuribles
> that I use more, and don't need one hanging in the closet! I live in
> the Boston, Mass. area.
>
> Regards,
>
> Hans
>

Hello,

This is just to let anyone here who is interested know that we're
having a discussion of John Dee's Propaedeumata Aphoristica over on
Solomonic's sister list,
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AlchemistRoyalAdvisorDrJohnDee/

The Propaedeumata Aphoristica, 120 aphorisms written just before the
Hieroglyphic Monad and revised a few years afterwards, has mainly
been looked at through the lens of "history of science."  We're
discussing it in terms of magic, and an English translation is
available in our files section.

GD folks here who note the "antecedent" of the LVX analysis of the
keyword in Dee's Monas Hieroglyphica may note that some similar
permutations show up in the Propaedeumata Aphoristica.  Thelemites
(or any others) who know the Book of the Law fairly well may see some
similaritis between a couple of the Theorems and some ideas in the
BotL, or so a couple of our posters have argued.  Yes, that means we
are not looking at the P.N. strictly from an academic point of view,
though I do not mind academic points of view.

LVX,

Terri

--- In ritual-magic@yahoogroups.com, "kathy_mcdonald62"
<kathy_mcdonald62@...> wrote:

It is sad news to inform you all that the fabulous online planetary
hour calculator which has saved many of us the pain in the ass of
having to calculate them for ourselves, (especially when you have to
look through 20 or more at a time to try to find a decent chart)
appears to be no more. It used to be found here:

http://www.astroloji.net/planetaryhours.asp

and I have been checking for some time now to see if it was going to
miraculously appear again, but alas it has not. I think it is time
for
me to accept the fact that it is gone. Faced with the dilema of
having
to find an election for a Venus talisman for the archangel Haniel
which
is next on my list of "things to do" as I have 50grams of Copper
ready
to go, I thought I would have to find a solution to the planetary
hour
dilema. A bit of a search through google results turned up what
appears
to be exactly the same format as the previous planetary hour
calculator
just with a different background color on another site:

http://www.astrology.com.tr/planetary-hours.asp

thought I would pop up the new link incase others have been searching
to. I had tried to download that Chronos or whatever it was one a few
weeks back and it crashed my computer so I piffed that one pretty
quick.

Love Kathy

--- End forwarded message ---

Hey all,

If you're interested in how I got sick from a "student" performing a
Bune ritual they had picked up from me, how I dealt with it, and how
I'm making sure it doesn't happen again, check out my latest blog
entries:

http://headforred.blogspot.com/2008/04/weirdest-bune-thing-yet.html

http://headforred.blogspot.com/2008/04/daimon-brainstorming-sessions-...

http://headforred.blogspot.com/2008/04/daimon-brainstorming-sessions-...

-R.O.

Okay I'm posting this HERE first and before any other schmuck claims
they brought this out, I figure I'll put it in writing on this date
and you people are my proof.

There are a multitude of ways to reward Spirits and we've discussed
these methods on here as well as other lists. Some of these methods
have been somewhat difficult to work with while many others are rather
simple.

Here is a simple candle method you can use to reward ANY Spirit with
be they Gheude (re: the Dead), grimoiric (either infernal or
celestial) or as an offering to one of the Orisha or LWA.

A simple votive candle is used. The preferred color is 'purple'
HOWEVER if a purple candle is not immediately available (and you've
actually gone out and tried to find one) then a 'white' votive candle
is used.

This does NOT mean you can use a pillar, tealight, household, mini, 7
day, or any other size/shape candle - only a votive and the color MUST
be either purple (they prefer it) or white - not green, lavendar,
blue, yellow or any other color other than purple or white.

The candle MUST also be "unscented". Yes yes yes I hear the groans
now. The friggin candle companies and their adding scents to candles
is sickening for Occulitsts BUT if you use either color, the candle
must be unscented. (Got that?)

The oil to dress the candle with is "Mint". Do not use anything else
other than Mint scented oil on the candle. If you can afford and
obtain essential oil of Mint (Spearmint) NOT Peppermint, then get some
and take some grape seed oil (or other GOOD non-rancid turning base
oil) and add enough drops of the Mint essential oil until it has a
strong Spearmint flavor. Shake well and let it sit in the dark for a
few days.

Now for those of you who will begin much wailing and gnashing of your
teeth all because you 'cannot find' essential oil of Spearmint, then
here is a simple solution for you: Go to your local grocery store and
buy some fresh spearmint leaves. Look in the produce section. IF they
do not offer it, ASK the produce manager to order some in for you. How
much? A small bunch. It should not cost very much for this.

Take the mint home and put it into your trusty mortar and pestle and
bruise it up. (No need to go overboard with it - just bruise it.) Then
take it and pour this into a simple Mason Jar (or some other type of
clean jar - even a used but clean mayonaise jar works) and then pour
the base oil over the minto to just cover it. Leave it steep like this
for at least 7-10 days. Strain out the oil from the mint leaves and
pour into a bottle(s).

Now you have an acceptable reward oil for offering to the Spirits for
work performed.

What I do is to take a thorn - you can use a rose thorn but I prefer a
thorn from a hawthorn tree as they are longer and easier to work with
- and then engrave the Spirit's name onto the side of the votive
candle. Anoint the candle with the oil. Now, rather than argue with
any of you about HOW this is done, just use your best judgment because
it's not a working candle but rather an offering candle and the
Spirits don't care about it being dressed in any particular fashion
other than the candle being coated with mint oil.

Further (this should go without saying but I realize there are a LOT
of folks who are literalists) take the candle and place it inside a
fire safe container - be it some sort of glass holder or in a metal
container such as a cast iron cauldron. Lite the candle and call out
to the Spirit in question and tell them to partake of this offering.
This is done so that no other Spirit comes along and just starts
siphoning off the candle's energy when it's meant for the one you named.

Simple. Easy. Concise. No worrying about trying to find a botanica or
flakey new age store - just a simple make-it-in-your-own-home
offeratory oil and procedure to follow.

You can use this with any Spirit and it will be well received. They
really do LOVE Spearmint. I have yet to find ANY Spirit, anywhere,
that disliked spearmint as an offering.

Now again, before the wailing and teeth gnashing begins, do NOT ask to
substitute Peppermint or some Occult blend of oil that has Spearmint
in it becuase that's NOT what is presented and it won't be well
received. Just use Spearmint only. It's not terribly expensive and
readily available and a little goes a long way. Plus if you get it on
your hands, it smells nice. If this is something you have to keep
private/secret from others, you won't raise any eyebrows with the mint
scent on you.

I will soon put this up on my website and into my other groups but it
is time that I shared this technique with the world as I do it.

Use and enjoy!

CorDIAlly,
MOloch
'Real Sorcery 24/7 & Rad-Sor Hybrids'
http://www.molochsorcery.com

Try this link:

   http://www.astrology.com.tr/planetary-hours.asp


--
"Waste no more time arguing about what a good man should be. Be one."
Marcus Aurelius


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Only the first link worked. Sigh.

Ok this has them all:

http://headforred.blogspot.com/2008_04_08_archive.html

Apologies!

----- Original Message -----
From: "rufus_opus" <FrRufusOpus@...>
To: <The_Great_Work@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2008 1:05 AM
Subject: [The_Great_Work] Some magickal anecdotes


> Hey all,
>
> If you're interested in how I got sick from a "student" performing a
> Bune ritual they had picked up from me, how I dealt with it, and how
> I'm making sure it doesn't happen again, check out my latest blog
> entries:
>
> http://headforred.blogspot.com/2008/04/weirdest-bune-thing-yet.html
>
> http://headforred.blogspot.com/2008/04/daimon-brainstorming-sessions-...
>
> http://headforred.blogspot.com/2008/04/daimon-brainstorming-sessions-...
>
> -R.O.
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>



----------------------------------------------
I sit with the elders of a generation this world has seldom seen
"Omnis tui castrum es proprietas ad nobis."

Fr. Rufus Opus
FrRufusOpus@...
http://headforred.blogspot.com
www.rufusopus.com

****Wow did anyone actually read that post?

Yes I know, thankyou, that was the link that I posted at the bottom
when I said that I had found a link to the same planetary hours
calculator in the same format as the previous one I had been using at
a different site. Followed by me posting the very same exact link as
you have just posted below. Is it just me? That was kind of the whole
point of my post, to post the below link to the planetary hour
calculator in case anyone else had been looking for it to.

*Walks of wondering what the hell is going on...did the bottom of my
post get cut off or something or do people just not read?*

Love Kathy

--- In solomonic@yahoogroups.com, Gaspar <juzwant2play@...> wrote:
>
> Try this link:
>
>   http://www.astrology.com.tr/planetary-hours.asp
>
>
> --
> "Waste no more time arguing about what a good man should be. Be
one."
> Marcus Aurelius
>
>
> ---------------------------------
> You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of
Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost.
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Just catching up again.

--- In solomonic@yahoogroups.com, "Jake Stratton-Kent"
<jakestrattonkent@...> wrote:

> the Hebrew scriptures which are 'the Law'  were
> seen as the most extended form of the Name of God.

Actually, that's not the case with either.  A couple of things:

a) The hebrew "scriptures" are not "the Law", that's actually a
Christian view laid on to what you call the "old testament".  Jewish
law is contained in the Halakhah and Talmud.  Judaism treats the
Tanakh (what you call the old testament) as something to be taken
apart, studied, debated, discussed, and discovered.  Traditionally,
that's how its actual meaning and deeper context is derived, not
taking it verbatim and at face value.  It's also one part of a triad
of study, which includes the Midrash and the Kabbalah.

b)It is not viewed as the most extended form of the Name of God, the
universe about us is (which includes us).  The Tanakh simply
represents the "closest path" to return to God.  The reason everything
about us is tied to the "Word of god" (which is what is actually
inferred by something being an extension of the Name of God) is
because of the way and formation of everything - according to the
Sefer Yetzirah "And god SAID let there be light", means everything
started with speech.  Words and print are not a form or connection
with god, vibrations and speech are.  The reason the Tanakh and its
print form is holly is because of what its imparting.

יְהִי אוֹר
yehiy 'or
Mordecai Shia

On 10/04/2008, wgungfu <wgungfu@...> wrote:
>
> Just catching up again.
>
>  --- In solomonic@yahoogroups.com, "Jake Stratton-Kent"
>  <jakestrattonkent@...> wrote:
>
>  > the Hebrew scriptures which are 'the Law'  were
>  > seen as the most extended form of the Name of God.
>
>  Actually, that's not the case with either.  A couple of things:
>

my bad, fortunately the connection between Kabbalah and the grimoires
is much slighter than has often been assumed.

Hello everyone,

	 I have a need to find out as much as I can about the angel Azariel
(no not the angel of death). I have the information from Agrippa and
Honorius, which isn't much beyond the house of the moon and such.
Anything might be useful including gemetria and such.

Thanks in advance.

Frater UI

On Wed, Apr 9, 2008 at 5:30 PM, kathy_mcdonald62
<kathy_mcdonald62@...> wrote:
> ****Wow did anyone actually read that post?<

Shub-Internet. That's all that I'll say... ;)

Actually, no. I'll say more: People who are into what it is that we do
either are humbled by the powers that they wield or take it as a sign
to be even more egotistical and self-indulgent. In that second state
of mind, someone else's words matter very little when the opportunity
arises to show-off a tiny amount of google-skillz for the rush of
pride that comes with the flash of "I have THE answer"...

Then again, I'm being remarkably arrogant and self-centered to think
of myself as any different from anyone else. Who am I to judge
another? ;)

So, what's the proper attitude that should be shown to the world?
--
http://pleasureconspiracy.blogspot.com/ - being the cautionary
propaedeutic enchiridion of a postmodern anachronist and deontological
esoterrorist
http://anywhere.fm/ekb/recently_played - being a soundtrack to the above..

Hi Keith,
Yeah I know, my attitude sucks often! Luckily I am not an adept so I
have the freedom to continue being myself. I do hope that you have a
better attitude than I and more power to you with that!

The below statement was my expresion of suprise at just how unclear
what I had written was. It was not just the poster I replied to but
also on a few other lists as well. I had rewritten what I wrote in
reply to others offering the same information I had posted in reply
to my post a few times and was genuinely bewildered by how unclear
what I had written was. As it appears it was just not read or read
and forgotten before a reply with the same information was sent. This
wasn't just once but a few times. I was genuinely suprised! Below is
my (non adept ;) ) expression of such....

What is a "Shub"?

Love Kathy

--- In solomonic@yahoogroups.com, "Keith Boyle"
<eoin.keith.boyle@...> wrote:
>
> On Wed, Apr 9, 2008 at 5:30 PM, kathy_mcdonald62
> <kathy_mcdonald62@...> wrote:
> > ****Wow did anyone actually read that post?<
>
> Shub-Internet. That's all that I'll say... ;)
>
> Actually, no. I'll say more: People who are into what it is that we
do
> either are humbled by the powers that they wield or take it as a
sign
> to be even more egotistical and self-indulgent. In that second state
> of mind, someone else's words matter very little when the
opportunity
> arises to show-off a tiny amount of google-skillz for the rush of
> pride that comes with the flash of "I have THE answer"...
>
> Then again, I'm being remarkably arrogant and self-centered to think
> of myself as any different from anyone else. Who am I to judge
> another? ;)
>
> So, what's the proper attitude that should be shown to the world?
> --
> http://pleasureconspiracy.blogspot.com/ - being the cautionary
> propaedeutic enchiridion of a postmodern anachronist and
deontological
> esoterrorist
> http://anywhere.fm/ekb/recently_played - being a soundtrack to the
above..
>

In solomonic, "Keith Boyle" wrote:

>Then again, I'm being remarkably arrogant and self-centered to think
of myself as any different from anyone else. Who am I to judge
another? ;)<

*applauds* Maybe we ought to have our own EGO Club?

Society (of) Egotistically Eggheaded Radicals  OR S.E.E.R.

LoL

>So, what's the proper attitude that should be shown to the world?<

Good question and while you may be asking that in jest, it is
something to ponder. I think too many people get caught up in this
notion that as practitioners we're supposed to be very Tao and humble.
A little humility doesn't hurt but I don't see any reason to ever
completely shut out the ego. It's part and parcel of who we are and
where we came from. In a way it's part of our identity and while some
wish to forget who they are and where they came from not everyone
does. Some of us find strength in realizing past mistakes and lessons
and try to learn from them not run away from them.

I remember asking this question to ol' Ron Parshley once and he said
this: "No matter how nice you try to be, how gingerly you try to walk
thru a crowd of people, you're going to step on toes once in a while &
bump into people" What he was saying is that you can't please everyone
so why not do the best you can do.

While it may not show, I grew up very inward and used to get nervous
when my name was called or spoken over a loudspeaker. It was a phobia
of mine. Didn't want to 'stick out in the crowd' and then one day I
was doing some reading on self-image and realized that if I don't look
out for me, no one else will. So I learned to please myself first and
then please others second. I took the tact like 'How can you love
others if you don't love yourself?' as 'How can I please someone else
if I'm not pleased'?

My suggestion is to just be yourself. Being helpful does not mean you
always have to please someone else's sense of 'civility' (is that even
a word?) because I've gotten help from people who were really honked
off, annoyed or downright cantankerous. Like me, sometimes you come
off with a hard attitude, Keith, in your writing. Does that make your
information less helpful? Nope.

In closing, pray tell where is it engraved in stone that an adept,
master, guru or whatever ALWAYS must be on their best behaviour 100%
of the time? To please the ideals and beliefs of others? Hah! We're
still humans - aka people - and even though we reach for the stars and
the hidden knowledge this doesn't mean we walk on water all the time.
Hell even Jesus got honked off at a fig tree for being out of fruit
(out of season no less!) and he cursed it. Was that something an adept
should do? Of course not! But He did and it showed his humaness.

The Tree has a lesson here: Pillar of Mercy but also the Pillare of
Severity. You cannot have a balanced tree without both Pillars.

CorDIAlly Yours,
MOloch
'Real Sorcery 24/7 & Rad-Sor Hybrids'
http://www.molochsorcery.com

Tcha. You know what? Uh-uh.

I hate to break it to you honey, but by most standards
you are an adept. You (and I dare say a lot of others
on this list) have demonstrated a deep understanding
of material, and success with ceremonies, that a
typical outer order member wouldn’t have access to.
Solomonic and other evocatory works are ‘inner order’
practices.

I mean, come on. You are in direct contact with your
nativity angel AND you have taught others how to
contact theirs.

However, adept or other honorifics are ascriptions
individuals rarely give themselves; which is a good
thing because it shows they are constantly in a
learning mindset. My experience has been that adepts,
and spiritual leaders, are more themselves than
anything else.

Mod


There where 3 nuns on a train and they had been
talking for some time when they decided to pass the
time by telling each other what their greatest sins
were.

The first nun got up and said, "My greatest sin is
sex.  Every year I go out for a week and become a
prostitute.  Of course I put all the money I earn in
the poor box but that is my greatest sin."

The second nun got up and said, "My greatest sin is
drinking.  Every year I the money out of the poor box
and drink for one consecutive week."

The third nun was sitting there being very quite.  The
other nuns say "come now we told you our worst sins,
what is yours."

The third nun got up and said, "My greatest sin is
that I am a terrible gossip and I can't wait to get
off this train!"


--- kathy_mcdonald62 <kathy_mcdonald62@...>
wrote:

> Hi Keith,
> Yeah I know, my attitude sucks often! Luckily I am
> not an adept so I
> have the freedom to continue being myself. I do hope
> that you have a
> better attitude than I and more power to you with
> that!
>
> The below statement was my expresion of suprise at
> just how unclear
> what I had written was. It was not just the poster I
> replied to but
> also on a few other lists as well. I had rewritten
> what I wrote in
> reply to others offering the same information I had
> posted in reply
> to my post a few times and was genuinely bewildered
> by how unclear
> what I had written was. As it appears it was just
> not read or read
> and forgotten before a reply with the same
> information was sent. This
> wasn't just once but a few times. I was genuinely
> suprised! Below is
> my (non adept ;) ) expression of such....
>
> What is a "Shub"?
>
> Love Kathy
>

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--- In solomonic@yahoogroups.com, Modrocus <modrocus@...> wrote:
>
> Tcha. You know what? Uh-uh.
>
> I hate to break it to you honey, but by most standards
> you are an adept. You (and I dare say a lot of others
> on this list) have demonstrated a deep understanding
> of material, and success with ceremonies, that a
> typical outer order member wouldn't have access to.
> Solomonic and other evocatory works are `inner order'
> practices.
>
> I mean, come on. You are in direct contact with your
> nativity angel AND you have taught others how to
> contact theirs.
>
> However, adept or other honorifics are ascriptions
> individuals rarely give themselves; which is a good
> thing because it shows they are constantly in a
> learning mindset. My experience has been that adepts,
> and spiritual leaders, are more themselves than
> anything else.
>
> Mod

Hi Mod!
LOL! I did a tarot reading last night and something that came up was
that I was going to receive some sort of bonus or recognition in my
chosen field. Check! That'll do me! :)

Reguarding your last statement I fully agree, if I cant be it for
real I dont want to be it at all. That and I couldn't give a hoot
about labels anyway...

As Agrippa says:
http://www.esotericarchives.com/agrippa/agripp3c.htm#chap36
"Therefore man is the most express Image of God, seing man conteineth
in himself all things which are in God: but God by a certain eminency
conteineth all things through his power, & simply, as the cause and
beginning of all things; but he hath given this power to man, that he
should in like manner contein all things, but by a certain act &
composition, as the knot, tye [tie], and bond of all things:
Therefore man only rejoyceth [rejoices] in this honor, that he hath
similitude with all, operation with all, and conversation with all:
He Symbolizeth with the matter in a proper subject; with the Elements
in a fourfold body; with Plants in a vegetative vertue; with animals
in a sensitive faculty; with the Heavens in an Etherial spirit, and
influx of the superior parts on the inferiour: with the Angels in
understanding and wisdome; with God, in conteining all things: He is
preserved with God, and the Intelligences, by faith and wisdome: with
the heavens and heavenly things, by reason and discouse: with all
Inferiour things, by sense and Dominion: and acteth with all, and
hath power on all, even on God himself, by knowing and loving him;
and as God knoweth all things, so also man can know all things
Intelligible, seeing he hath for an adequate Object, Ens in general,
or (as others say) Truth itself; neither is there any thing found in
man, nor any disposition, in which something of divinity may not
shine forth; neither is there any thing in God, which may not also he
represented in man: Whosoever therefore shall know himself, shall
know all things in himself; especially he shall know God, according
to whose Image he was made; he shall know the world, the resemblance
of which he beareth; he shall know all creatures, with which he
Symbolizeth; and what comfort he can have and obtain, from Stones,
Plants, Animals, Elements, Heavens, from Spirits, Angels, and every
thing, and how all things may be fitted for all things, in their
time, place, order, measure, proportion and Harmony, and can draw and
bring to himself, even as a Loadstone Iron; And Geber in his summ of
Alchimy [Alchemy] teacheth, that no man can come to the perfection of
this art, who shall not know the principles of it in himself; but by
how much the more every one shall know himself, by so much he
obtaineth the greater power of attracting it, and by so much
operateth greater and more wonderfull things, and will ascend to so
great perfection, that he is made the Son of God, and is transformed
into that Image which is God, and is united with him, which is not
graunted to Angels, the world, or any creature, but to man only, viz.
to have power to be made the Son of God, and to be united to him: but
man being united to God, all things which are in man, are united,
especially his minde, then his spirits and animal powers, and
vegetative faculty, and the Elements are to the matter, drawing with
it self even the body, whose form it hath been, leading it forth into
a better condition, and an heavenly nature, even untill it be
glorified into Immortality."

****Thats the extended play version of my all time favorite quote.
Cant miss an opportunity to give it an airing!

Love Kathy

Greetings. I've been lurking here for a few months now; lots of
interesting topics get discussed here!

Now that I've been lurking for a while, I'd like to ask a question. :)

I'd like to study the (Greater) Key of Solomon, and wonder
which editions are appropriate? I recently picked up what I believe is
the Weiser edition. (I don't have it with me; the cover is like this
except beige.)
http://www.amazon.com/Key-Solomon-King-Clavicula-Salomonis/dp/087728931X/

However, Aaron links to a version published by Book Tree in the group
bookstore.

Is there something that makes the Book Tree version superior?

Thanks for the info.

--- In solomonic@yahoogroups.com, "Jake Stratton-Kent"
<jakestrattonkent@...> wrote:
>
>
> my bad,

Not a problem.  They're common misconceptions, so its not like you
were the first to state them.  That's just my thing here, I enjoy
being able to help out in regards to topics relating to Judaism to put
them in proper context for discussion Solomonic discussion.

>fortunately the connection between Kabbalah and the grimoires
> is much slighter than has often been assumed.
>

That's the beauty of these discussion forums, we can all share our
opinions and personal theories. :)


יְהִי אוֹר
yehiy 'or
Mordecai Shia

I've heard that Skinner and Rankine is publishing a new key of solomon
from a french manuscript sometime this year.  Their Goetia is a great
resource and I imagine that the Key of Solomon is going to be likewise.


-- In solomonic@yahoogroups.com, "riftweaver" <riftweaver@...> wrote:
>
> Greetings. I've been lurking here for a few months now; lots of
> interesting topics get discussed here!
>
> Now that I've been lurking for a while, I'd like to ask a question. :)
>
> I'd like to study the (Greater) Key of Solomon, and wonder
> which editions are appropriate? I recently picked up what I believe is
> the Weiser edition. (I don't have it with me; the cover is like this
> except beige.)
>
http://www.amazon.com/Key-Solomon-King-Clavicula-Salomonis/dp/087728931X/
>
> However, Aaron links to a version published by Book Tree in the group
> bookstore.
>
> Is there something that makes the Book Tree version superior?
>
> Thanks for the info.
>

Surely an adept might too have their failings and at times doubt
themselves, question themselves and rise above it all eventually?

--- In Spiritus_Mundi@yahoogroups.com, "kathy_mcdonald62"
<kathy_mcdonald62@...> wrote:

****Wow Chris!
This just shows how really incredible the work you are doing really
is! Would you mind if I forwarded this to a few other groups (Ritual
Magic/Solomonic/Evocational Magics) where I have posted my basic
metallurgy practices to show them how the professionals do it?

[comment by Christopher Warnock] [Sure, posting the link is fine!]

http://www.renaissanceastrology.com/astrologicaltalismancast.html

Wade thank you especially for sharing your experience with the
metals. A close read of Wade's notes will bring much insight into the
planetary energies related to each metal. The voice of experience
sounds so pure.

Alongside Chris and Nigel (I love Nigel's work he really capture's
the moment, his Persephone or female pope image stole my heart and my
opinion of Chris's work is well known) this page highlights the
skills of a very experienced and well balanced team the likes of
which you do not find easily.

Your work is awe inspiring guys and something of which you should all
be very proud. The modern day occult world is blessed to have the
quality of service you provide. This link shows just how much so.

Love Kathy

--- End forwarded message ---

On 13/04/2008, wgungfu <wgungfu@...> wrote:
>
>
> --- In solomonic@yahoogroups.com, "Jake Stratton-Kent"
>  <jakestrattonkent@...> wrote:
>  >
>  >
>  > my bad,
>
>  Not a problem.  They're common misconceptions, so its not like you
>  were the first to state them.  That's just my thing here, I enjoy
>  being able to help out in regards to topics relating to Judaism to put
>  them in proper context for discussion Solomonic discussion.

And that's a good 'thing' to have here. What do you make of the
connection of the 'Samaritans' with magic and gnosticism?  What I've
seen of 'Samaritan' magic (which is more limited than I'd like) has
been very interesting, and reminiscent of the Judaic influences on the
grimoires. Then you get historico-mythic figures like Simon Magus,
among others, also a Samaritan - and that 'Magus' appended to his name
is interesting too.

As 'Judaic' is a broad term, an informed opinion on the place of the
Samaritans in Judaic magic would be most welcome, to me anyway. ;-)

quick link for folks wanting to gen up on the Samaritans:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samaritan

ALWays

Jake

In comparing the source texts I have found that there are some
differences in the formulae as found in Paracelsus' original text
(Sudhoff's edition), that found in Robert Turner's English translation
(1658), and that found in Ars Paulina:

Aries:
    Parace: Iron 1 Lot, Gold half Lot, Silver 1 Dr., Copper half Dr.
    Turner: Iron half Dr., Gold 2 Oz., Silver 1 Oz., Copper half Oz.
    Paulin: Iron half Dr., Gold 2 Oz., Copper half Oz.
Taurus
    Parace: Copper 1 Oz., Iron half Oz., Tin 1 Dr., Gold 2 Oz.
    Turner: Copper 1 Dr., Iron half Dr., Tin 1 Oz., Gold 2 Dr.
    Paulin: Copper 1 Dr., Iron half Dr., Tin 1 Oz., Gold 2 Oz.
Gemini: Gold and Silver 2 Lot (1 Oz.) all versions
Cancer: Silver
Leo:    Gold
Virgo:
    Parace: Copper 1 Dr., Gold half Oz., Silver 2 Dr., Tin half Dr.
    Turner: Copper 1 Oz., Gold half Dr., Silver 2 Oz., Tin half Oz.
    Paulin: Copper 1 Oz., Gold half Dr., Silver 2 Oz., Tin half Oz.
Libra: Copper
Scorpio: Iron
Sagittarius: Tin
Capricornus: Gold
Aquarius:
    Parace: Gold 1 Lot, Silver 1 Oz., Lead 2 Dr., Iron 1 Dr.
    Turner: Gold half Dr., Lead 2 Oz., Iron 1 Oz.
    Paulin: Gold half Dr., Lead 2 Oz., Iron 1 Oz.
Pisces:
    Parace: Gold 1 Dr., Silver 2 Dr., Tin 4 Dr., Iron 1 Dr., Copper 1 Dr.
    Turner: Gold, Iron, Copper, Silver each 2 Oz., Tin half Dr.
    Paulin: Gold, Iron, Copper, Silver each 2 Oz., Tin half Dr.

Thus, not surprisingly, Ars Paulina follows Turner, but with some
mistakes. Turner deviates surprisingly often from Paracelsus.

Turner probably made his translation from one of the Latin translation
s of Paracelsus (as a radical Paracelsus wrote in German). I can't
remember if Dorn did a translation or not.

http://www.digibib.tu-bs.de/view_page.php?max_page=792&minpage=1&url=http%3A%2F%\
2Fbib1lp1.rz.tu-bs.de%2Fdocportal%2Fservlets%2FMCRFileNodeServlet%2FDocPortal_de\
rivate_00000702&suffix=gif&derivate_id=702&page=496

****Now you tell me! :)

3.9 grams of gold would have been a hell of a lot easier to get hold
of than 7.8 grams.

Thank you for your great research Joseph I for one will look through
it with interest.

At a glance we have quite a few little differances in the actual
talisman engraving here to. Will have to look into this.

Thanks again Joe!

Love Kathy

--- In solomonic@yahoogroups.com, "Joseph Peterson" <joe@...> wrote:
>
> In comparing the source texts I have found that there are some
> differences in the formulae as found in Paracelsus' original text
> (Sudhoff's edition), that found in Robert Turner's English
translation
> (1658), and that found in Ars Paulina:
>
> Aries:
>    Parace: Iron 1 Lot, Gold half Lot, Silver 1 Dr., Copper half Dr.
>    Turner: Iron half Dr., Gold 2 Oz., Silver 1 Oz., Copper half Oz.
>    Paulin: Iron half Dr., Gold 2 Oz., Copper half Oz.
> Taurus
>    Parace: Copper 1 Oz., Iron half Oz., Tin 1 Dr., Gold 2 Oz.
>    Turner: Copper 1 Dr., Iron half Dr., Tin 1 Oz., Gold 2 Dr.
>    Paulin: Copper 1 Dr., Iron half Dr., Tin 1 Oz., Gold 2 Oz.
> Gemini: Gold and Silver 2 Lot (1 Oz.) all versions
> Cancer: Silver
> Leo:    Gold
> Virgo:
>    Parace: Copper 1 Dr., Gold half Oz., Silver 2 Dr., Tin half Dr.
>    Turner: Copper 1 Oz., Gold half Dr., Silver 2 Oz., Tin half Oz.
>    Paulin: Copper 1 Oz., Gold half Dr., Silver 2 Oz., Tin half Oz.
> Libra: Copper
> Scorpio: Iron
> Sagittarius: Tin
> Capricornus: Gold
> Aquarius:
>    Parace: Gold 1 Lot, Silver 1 Oz., Lead 2 Dr., Iron 1 Dr.
>    Turner: Gold half Dr., Lead 2 Oz., Iron 1 Oz.
>    Paulin: Gold half Dr., Lead 2 Oz., Iron 1 Oz.
> Pisces:
>    Parace: Gold 1 Dr., Silver 2 Dr., Tin 4 Dr., Iron 1 Dr., Copper
1 Dr.
>    Turner: Gold, Iron, Copper, Silver each 2 Oz., Tin half Dr.
>    Paulin: Gold, Iron, Copper, Silver each 2 Oz., Tin half Dr.
>
> Thus, not surprisingly, Ars Paulina follows Turner, but with some
> mistakes. Turner deviates surprisingly often from Paracelsus.
>
> Turner probably made his translation from one of the Latin
translation
> s of Paracelsus (as a radical Paracelsus wrote in German). I can't
> remember if Dorn did a translation or not.
>
> http://www.digibib.tu-bs.de/view_page.php?
max_page=792&minpage=1&url=http%3A%2F%2Fbib1lp1.rz.tu-bs.de%
2Fdocportal%2Fservlets%2FMCRFileNodeServlet%
2FDocPortal_derivate_00000702&suffix=gif&derivate_id=702&page=496
>

****Joseph your a legend!
I have cropped and printed out that part of the book and will sit
down with your copy of the Lemegeton, Turner's Archidoxes and the
German printout and make a few comparrisons. I particularly want to
pull up the German sections on the metallurgy and run them through
babel fish in comparisson to Turner's translations after having done
the work with it. Another huge area of interest here for me is the
difference in the engravings. Obviously my Pisces one was the first I
saw the "Toni Carot" is more like "Tous boxol" but another stand out
variation is in the scorpion, Turner's "SAPFIOR" is pictured "ORI
SAPEL". These were all of great interest to me during my study and I
was looking for more information on them at the time. This is a big
lead.

Now just so I can be clear Joseph. Is this book closer to the
Paracelsus original and has not been translated but only copied
straight from his original work?

Lots of love and a big fat kiss!
Kathy

--- In solomonic@yahoogroups.com, "kathy_mcdonald62"
<kathy_mcdonald62@...> wrote:
>
> ****Now you tell me! :)
>
> 3.9 grams of gold would have been a hell of a lot easier to get
hold
> of than 7.8 grams.
>
> Thank you for your great research Joseph I for one will look
through
> it with interest.
>
> At a glance we have quite a few little differances in the actual
> talisman engraving here to. Will have to look into this.
>
> Thanks again Joe!
>
> Love Kathy
>
> --- In solomonic@yahoogroups.com, "Joseph Peterson" <joe@> wrote:
> >
> > In comparing the source texts I have found that there are some
> > differences in the formulae as found in Paracelsus' original text
> > (Sudhoff's edition), that found in Robert Turner's English
> translation
> > (1658), and that found in Ars Paulina:
> >
> > Aries:
> >    Parace: Iron 1 Lot, Gold half Lot, Silver 1 Dr., Copper half
Dr.
> >    Turner: Iron half Dr., Gold 2 Oz., Silver 1 Oz., Copper half
Oz.
> >    Paulin: Iron half Dr., Gold 2 Oz., Copper half Oz.
> > Taurus
> >    Parace: Copper 1 Oz., Iron half Oz., Tin 1 Dr., Gold 2 Oz.
> >    Turner: Copper 1 Dr., Iron half Dr., Tin 1 Oz., Gold 2 Dr.
> >    Paulin: Copper 1 Dr., Iron half Dr., Tin 1 Oz., Gold 2 Oz.
> > Gemini: Gold and Silver 2 Lot (1 Oz.) all versions
> > Cancer: Silver
> > Leo:    Gold
> > Virgo:
> >    Parace: Copper 1 Dr., Gold half Oz., Silver 2 Dr., Tin half Dr.
> >    Turner: Copper 1 Oz., Gold half Dr., Silver 2 Oz., Tin half Oz.
> >    Paulin: Copper 1 Oz., Gold half Dr., Silver 2 Oz., Tin half Oz.
> > Libra: Copper
> > Scorpio: Iron
> > Sagittarius: Tin
> > Capricornus: Gold
> > Aquarius:
> >    Parace: Gold 1 Lot, Silver 1 Oz., Lead 2 Dr., Iron 1 Dr.
> >    Turner: Gold half Dr., Lead 2 Oz., Iron 1 Oz.
> >    Paulin: Gold half Dr., Lead 2 Oz., Iron 1 Oz.
> > Pisces:
> >    Parace: Gold 1 Dr., Silver 2 Dr., Tin 4 Dr., Iron 1 Dr.,
Copper
> 1 Dr.
> >    Turner: Gold, Iron, Copper, Silver each 2 Oz., Tin half Dr.
> >    Paulin: Gold, Iron, Copper, Silver each 2 Oz., Tin half Dr.
> >
> > Thus, not surprisingly, Ars Paulina follows Turner, but with some
> > mistakes. Turner deviates surprisingly often from Paracelsus.
> >
> > Turner probably made his translation from one of the Latin
> translation
> > s of Paracelsus (as a radical Paracelsus wrote in German). I can't
> > remember if Dorn did a translation or not.
> >
> > http://www.digibib.tu-bs.de/view_page.php?
> max_page=792&minpage=1&url=http%3A%2F%2Fbib1lp1.rz.tu-bs.de%
> 2Fdocportal%2Fservlets%2FMCRFileNodeServlet%
> 2FDocPortal_derivate_00000702&suffix=gif&derivate_id=702&page=496
> >
>

****Is this Greek?

Second word down on the first side of Pisces talisman
http://tinyurl.com/5cmpp7

the only one on there so far that I can translate is on the second
side "Calex" in Latin means "To be warmed", "Be inflamed". A couple of
others, "vebr.", "THW.tag" look like abreviations. On the first side
looking at the letters on the second word down third letter in, that
looks Greek to me. Can anyone here read Greek?

To my very uneducated eyes the talismans appear to have a mix of Greek
and Latin letters and words on them. If this is the case (and I am not
way off the mark) then it would seem likely they are not original to
Paracelsus. Any thoughts anyone on this?

These certainly look clearer than the other versions of the talismans I
have seen.

Love Kathy

i d like t see a critical edition of the Archidoxis
how about it mister Peterson? :D
i ve got anitalian moderd edition, one rosicrucian french and i also
consulted a few german originals from back in te days in the Romanian
Academy Library in Bucharest, but i still want to find one decent
translation with a cryical apparatus...

all the  best ( btw, im the guy who mailed u about the Lemegeton)