In solomonic, Orub Maad wrote:

>Strangely enough Moloch, I just moved back to. ahem, my mom's house<

We've all gone thru tough times at some point in our lives. Nothing to
be ashamed of.

>a heroin dealer moved in next door and is talking about buying the
house. (snipped) I was thinking about rounding up some nasties to send
their way.<

I'd put some sort of nasty Spirit into that house pronto. Make it so
creepy, eerie and haunted that he wouldn't want to stay. That or give
him very disturbing dreams - such dreams that even his drug filled
mind cannot blot out! >;)

>I'm going to need some dirt from his doorstep maybe some paint
scrapings from his house some wood would be better.<

Doorstep? While that'd be ideal you can take some dirt from near his
front steps. Don't need more'n a pinch or two.

>An elemental might do the trick. It seems that the house attracts
undesirables.<

Such places usually do but the problem is that the guy is probably
doing his own toot and if he's slogged outta his skull most of the
time, then he's normally not noticing these 'uninvited guests'. That's
when you step things up a wee bit.

>Maybe he needs to move out and I need to move in.

Um you're thinking in two different directions which is dangerous. ONE
thing at a time, compadre. First get rid of the bastard; THEN worry
about moving in there. Kah-Peesh?

>First off I suppose I should strengthen my barriers. Its  touchy
situation due to the property line, I don't want any collateral
damage. Any thoughts?<

Not too difficult to do that. Contact me off list and I'll be happy to
give you some Sorcery pointers that'll help.

>Considerations, patchouli oiul to get rid of unwanteds,<

We can discuss this off list as well since you have some incorrect
associations with it.

>a clay mock up of his house surrounded by darkness (painted black)
insects Saturn symbolising that his time has come to a conclusion on
my street, perhaps have the house suspended by some hemp cord and then
at the completion of the rite I could sever it with my sickle.<

Interesting use of tools. I like it. Not much different than the
Pharonic Sorcerer Nectanebus was purported to use. Make sure you
enchant the house to be active and representative of the Heroin
deadler's house.

>I don't know how to go about asking the servitors in my troops to
affect them because I didn't make them for that task. Although one is
quite universal and its time of power draws close.<

Just make a couple of new ones for this purpose. It's not that big of
a deal to make some.

CorDIAlly,
MOloch

In solomonic, "Jim Casler" wrote:

>>Psalm 109 is a very vengeful psalm, asking God to curse everything
he has, had, or ever will have. I really dont like using that psalm,
because it is in truth, a curse, or a hex, and goes a little with
darker magiks, but then again, God probably wont curse the enemy,
unless he deserves it. Id really take Yeshua's approach, and ""bless
your enemies" - Tyler<<

>::sigh::

>I know it's not specific to Solomonic practice, but here's a little
saying tha I think applies here:
>
> Holy art Thou, Lord of the Universe.
> Holy art Thou, whom Nature has not formed.
> Holy art Thou, the vast and the mighty One
> Lord of the Light,
> And of the Darkness.
>
> Note that last line, kiddies, and shave the fluff of them bunnies...
> :-/
>
> Frater Cuniculus

Thanks for taking time to address this before I did, Fr Cuniculus,
because this shows the ignorance of the Metaphysical community who are
now trying to cop material from the Hoodooo community (Who by the way,
ain't all that bright to begin with!)

Frist off Psalm 109 ain't sh*t for cursing. Hell there's not much in
the Psalms for that and what one finds is mostly watered down. BUT too
many take the word of some Hoodoo book author regardless of Hoo it is
(Pun intended!) as gospel for using Psalms for practical magic.

The Bible overall is a damned fine grimoire of Sorcery & Magic but too
many educated folk are either too impatient or can't wrangle
themselves past their personal issues with the overall MYTH of the
book. So they end up throwing the baby with the bathwater.

Then you have those who read Jane Sixpack's Hoodoo book and think the
only practical info for Magic is to be found in the Psalms. Then you
have the stereotypical folk who buy the Biblical Myth hook, line and
sinker and argue about putting it all into the hands of Gee-zuss. *sigh*

For a helluva curse, here's the pasage I typically use found 2 Samuel
23:38-41

38. I have pursued mine enemies, and destroyed them; and turned not
again until I have consumed them.

39. And I have consumed them, and wounded them, that they could not
arise; yea, they are fallen under my feet.

40. For thou hast girded me with strength to battle: them that rose up
against me hast thou subdued under me.

41. Thou hast also given me the n4ecks of mine enemies, that I mighty
destory them that hate me.

It's quite succinct, simple, to the point and quite explicit. And best
of all, it works.

But gee, let's all go and argue about how *cough, cough* 'powerful'
the Psalms are/n't.

CorDIAlly Yours,
MOloch

Proverbs 23:9 - Speak not in the ears of a fool: for he will despise
the wisdom of thy words.

--- In solomonic@yahoogroups.com, "Tyler Brown" <tyler8779@...> wrote:
>
> Psalm 109 is a very vengeful psalm, asking God to curse everything
he has,
> had, or ever will have. I really dont like using that psalm, because
it is
> in truth, a curse, or a hex, and goes a little with darker magiks,
but then
> again, God probably wont curse the enemy, unless he deserves it. Id
really
> take Yeshua's approach, and ""bless your enemies"
>
> Tyler
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
I have been viewing this conversation with some saddened amusement,I
say this because there seems to be a moral issue here where there
should be none...some time ago,a murderer of females was loose in the
area,and had to be stopped,all of us pagans knew what had to be
done,and being male myself,knew the situation would require force to
stop this homicidal maniac...in otherwords,time for a good ol' tyme
curse...using curse runes ,the aforemetioned killer was captured
within two weeks!!!...the killings ceased immediately...we are
mages,pagans,witches,wiccans,heathens,whatever term you use...the
GODDESES AND GODS have given us the power to deal with loud mouth
crackdealers,gangbangers,pimps,murderers,rapists,and the like...there
is no shame in putting away such fools...the DEITIES have given us the
means to police our own society...they will NOT step in and do things
for us unless it becomes a serious EMERGENCY THAT WE CAN NOT DEAL
WITH...THEN,AND ONLY THEN WILL THEY STEP IN...IN THESE
SITUATIONS,THERE IS NO TIME TO BE,HOW SHALL WE SAY QUAINT,POLITICALLY
CORRECT...IF WE DO NOT USE THE MEANS(I,E
SORCERY,PRIESTCRAFT,SHAMINISM,ETC.)THAT THE DEITES HAVE GIVEN US,THERE
WILL SERIOUS CONCEQUENCES FOR ALL CONCERNED NEIHBORHOODS
EVERYWHRE...eihwazrune@...

On 7/1/08, Orub Maad <orub_maad@...> wrote:
>
> BEWARE BEWARE BEWARE The outdoor charcoal...
>
> --- On Tue, 7/1/08, Jim Casler <jim.casler6553@...> wrote:
>
> From: Jim Casler <jim.casler6553@...>
> Subject: Re: [Solomonic] practical advice regarding burning incense
> To: solomonic@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Tuesday, July 1, 2008, 3:48 PM


Just curious, but why would you think it's that much different from the
"indoor" charcoal? Burning *any* fuel indoors carries about the same carbon
monoxide risk. Also, the "outdoor" charcoal doesn't caontain any of the
nitrate oxidants that the tablets do, so there's a smaller chance of flying
sparks. If you're using one and *only one* briquette, and you take the
normal precautions for burning fuels, you shouldn't have any problems. If,
on the other hand, you're going to try to use a few hunks of charcoal
indoors, well, there's a good chance you won't do that more than once...

Frater Cuniculus


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Whether or not, some may realize, is that somethings, as even solomon said,
is better left in the hands of God. Many Christian Occultists have been
making the fatal error: thinking that such great power of commanding
spirits, manipulating energy, etc. was actually emanating from themselves.
Even though I do believe in the esoteric concept of an "inner god" (presence
of an in-dwelling holy spirit), I still take into harsh practice the idea
that any "magical" operation that is done, must still come from that higher
power, and be approved by that higher power. "Oh Lord Adonai, know that we
perform not these ceremonies to tempt thy power, but to penetrate deeper
into hidden things" -Solomon
As for being the Lord of Darkness and Of Light, I would say that is
something I dont agree with wholelly......
I believe the God (being male and female in esoteric beliefs) is all light,
but has power over darkness, being an indirect creator of it, and its master
Samael (Satan/Lucifer), but not to say that he is not wrathful...
I dont know if the Lord of DArkness part is a "practical" magic belief, or
the influence of the goetia, that I will look up in Aaron's book to see if I
can find it.
Then again, maybe I am a little biased, seeing as though I still (although I
am a follower of Esoteric Christianity, practices Theurgia) have a
traditional Christian outlook on tradition, and not looking at it from the
Hellenistic/Hermetic way of thinking. I guess that shows my youth...how
young I really am.

Not that Im not enjoying the debate, but I think its bordering on an
arguement, so lets not make this discussion group a religious forum for
debate, please. It has happened so many times before.


Tyler


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On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 12:08 PM, Scott Rassbach <srgnosis@...>
wrote:

>   There's more than one way to get rid of an enemy. If you wish for a
> blessing that also happens to get rid of your problem, what's the harm?
> Perhaps the person gets out of drug dealing and does something else,
> something less harmful or more constructive.
> At least somebody sees where Im coming from!! If you curse the guy its only
> going to make him more miserable, and lead to do worse things, if you bless
> him, it will not only benefit you, but benefit him, and the people around
> him.
>









Tyler


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On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 11:58 AM, David Stolowitz <optimystic@...>
wrote:

>   If you want to be as biblical as possible, I don't know if this is
> really the right place for you to be. I mean, if you're so hard-core
> Yahwist, you should be relying on him directly for everything anyway.
> I'm having trouble understand why you are here and why you're seemingly
> investigating magic when you've already made all these premptory
> decisions about what's right, wrong, valid and invalid.
>
> My opinion? I'm gonna pass YOU through the fire to Moloch
>
W









Well, thats somewhat of an unfair asumption, even though I am faithful
toward YHVH, I still have many beliefs that do go against the church (as an
Esoteric Christian), and it seems that you should know all about a person
before you start slandering them. I have not tried to state to you guys that
certain systems of magic are invalid, i am merely stating my opinion and
hoping for an honest response, answer, or return opinion, mostly things I
didnt find in your book (I use it as a textbook for my traditions), so sorry
If I seem forebearing.

Tyler





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I never really viewed it that way..lol. now i know I guess, I guess I always
thought that the perfumes just enticed them to come, as like a bait.

Tyler


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Ive been in touch with many occultits that say you must be a certain age to
practice these types of magical arts, as in at least 20, below 60. What do
you guys think as in regards to the required age of the practitioner. I say
it doesnt matter.

Tyler


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--- In solomonic@yahoogroups.com, "MOLOCH" <bm969@...> wrote:
>
> Psalm 109 ain't sh*t for cursing.

6 Appoint an evil man to oppose him;
        let an accuser (Hebrew:Satan) stand at his right hand.

  7 When he is tried, let him be found guilty,
        and may his prayers condemn him.

  8 May his days be few;
        may another take his place of leadership.

  9 May his children be fatherless
        and his wife a widow.

  10 May his children be wandering beggars;
        may they be driven from their ruined homes.

  11 May a creditor seize all he has;
        may strangers plunder the fruits of his labor.

  12 May no one extend kindness to him
        or take pity on his fatherless children.

  13 May his descendants be cut off,
        their names blotted out from the next generation.

  14 May the iniquity of his fathers be remembered before Yaweh;
        may the sin of his mother never be blotted out.

  15 May their sins always remain before Yaweh,
        that he may cut off the memory of them from the earth.

That's not enough cursing for you? Jesus, have mercy!

> Then you have the stereotypical folk who buy the Biblical Myth
hook, line and sinker and argue about putting it all into the hands
of Gee-zuss. *sigh* <

Having Christ handle things is actually not a bad way to go. He's
often far more graceful and effective than anything we can come up
with. If we really are seeking pure efficiency regardless of
religion, then Christ has proven time and time again to be extremely
powerful and accomplished. But he does bring an unconditional love to
things that those who are too caught up in their own immaturity often
fail to appreciate or understand.

"Vengeance is mine" says Yaweh, but vengeance is a largely pointless
thing that makes the avenger feel good temporarily and makes the
situation as a whole much worse. Its a vicious cycle and a waste of
time and energy. You're entitled to do what you must to protect
yourself and shut the door on evil and harmful activities, but don't
let the vengeful god out to play: he never knows when to quit.

Hey Gary. I saw the movie many years ago and while I don't remember a
lot of it, it was fabulous. I wonder how much they changed from the
book? I'll have to go back and watch it after I'm done. I'm pretty sure
it is out on DVD - I remember seeing it in the video rental store.
There are parts of the narrative that almost make me want to be a monk -
  the peace and the knowledge and the order of things can all be so
wonderful. Then again, I just read the scene where they find the body
in the vat of pig's blood they're using to make blood pudding. My inner
Jew is screaming.

David

The way I see it, CHRISTOPHER, is that we dont have the authority to curse
or to send away people of whom we did not bring forth in the first place. In
what dream did we have the power to decide who stays or goes. The Powers
given to us by a deity should not be used to enhance our own convienience,
unless the convienece is for a noble cause that is greatly needed. What
makes the crackdealer, whether bad he may be any less purposeful than a
saint, or a bishop? We all have a purpose to make in society, and we should
really nurish the nature of his situation. Maybe there is an evil spirit
following him, making him miserable, and he feels that crack is the only way
out. Maybe he was an alone child, and crack was the only way to get money,
and now that he was exposed to it, he cant get out. We dont make the rules,
we should just play the game how it is set out for us, and decide what would
or could help the person, and the people around him, or just plain make
things worse. If you curse him to leave, then all he will do is go terrorize
another set of people. If you make a murderor get the death penalty, that
makes all those that cursed him no better than the murderor, and makes you
even worse for applauding yourselves in causing the death of a living HUMAN
being. If you were to bless the murderor with kindness, and love he may have
stopped, filled with compassion turn himself in, have a chance again at
redemption and enlightenment. If you curse him, he will go down fighting and
cursing, and die, and add to the pool of the lost and aid to the negative
energy already present. I dont claim to be a saint, but I do know that 2
wrongs dont make a right!

Tyler


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Hey folks, let's go ahead and take this discussion into private email.
  Here on the Group, we should steer things back toward Solomonic and
grimoiric magick.  :)

LVX
Aaron


--- In solomonic@yahoogroups.com, "Tyler Brown" <tyler8779@...> wrote:
>
> The way I see it, CHRISTOPHER, is that we dont have the authority to
curse
> or to send away people of whom we did not bring forth in the first
place. In
> what dream did we have the power to decide who stays or goes. The Powers
> given to us by a deity should not be used to enhance our own
convienience,
> unless the convienece is for a noble cause that is greatly needed. What
> makes the crackdealer, whether bad he may be any less purposeful than a
> saint, or a bishop? We all have a purpose to make in society, and we
should
> really nurish the nature of his situation. Maybe there is an evil spirit
> following him, making him miserable, and he feels that crack is the
only way
> out. Maybe he was an alone child, and crack was the only way to get
money,
> and now that he was exposed to it, he cant get out. We dont make the
rules,
> we should just play the game how it is set out for us, and decide
what would
> or could help the person, and the people around him, or just plain make
> things worse. If you curse him to leave, then all he will do is go
terrorize
> another set of people. If you make a murderor get the death penalty,
that
> makes all those that cursed him no better than the murderor, and
makes you
> even worse for applauding yourselves in causing the death of a
living HUMAN
> being. If you were to bless the murderor with kindness, and love he
may have
> stopped, filled with compassion turn himself in, have a chance again at
> redemption and enlightenment. If you curse him, he will go down
fighting and
> cursing, and die, and add to the pool of the lost and aid to the
negative
> energy already present. I dont claim to be a saint, but I do know that 2
> wrongs dont make a right!
>
> Tyler
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

----- Original Message -----
From: "David Stolowitz" <optimystic@...>
To: <solomonic@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2008 2:58 PM
Subject: [Solomonic] Re: Divination



> I'm having trouble understand why you are here and why you're
> seemingly
> investigating magic when you've already made all these premptory
> decisions about what's right, wrong, valid and invalid.

We all do. I'm haviung trouble understanding why someone who thinks
he's a manifest alien intelligence is here. This is about Solomonic
human magic. But I wasn't giving you any shit, "Opti."

> My opinion? I'm gonna pass YOU through the fire to Moloch!

This has been a place of civil discussion for years. Lay off the
judgmentalism.

----------------------------------------------
I sit with the elders of a generation this world has seldom seen
"Omnis tui castrum es proprietas ad nobis."

Fr. Rufus Opus
FrRufusOpus@...
http://headforred.blogspot.com
www.rufusopus.com

On Thu, Jul 3, 2008 at 1:34 AM, Rufus Opus <FrRufusOpus@...> wrote:
>> My opinion? I'm gonna pass YOU through the fire to Moloch!
>
> This has been a place of civil discussion for years. Lay off the
> judgmentalism.
>

I took his meaning as referring to Brother Moloch. ^_^.

mike


--
rewild, v : to return to a more natural or wild state; the process of
undoing domestication. Synonyms: undomesticate, uncivilize.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/rewildatxinfo/

I've met some very immature 30-somethings and amazingly savvy people
in their late teens.  I say it's a case by case basis.

On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 9:42 PM, Tyler Brown <tyler8779@...> wrote:
> Ive been in touch with many occultits that say you must be a certain age to
> practice these types of magical arts, as in at least 20, below 60. What do
> you guys think as in regards to the required age of the practitioner. I say
> it doesnt matter.
>
> Tyler
>
>
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>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> "Secrets of the Magickal Grimoires" is now available!  Let me know what you
think.
> http://kheph777.tripod.com/indexsecrets.htmlYahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>



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I am the honored one and the scorned one.
I am the whore and the holy one.
I am the wife and the virgin." - The Thunder, Perfect Mind
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Agreed. Age doesnt' count (well, if you're 14 and say you've tried and done
EVERYTHING, then...).
For instance, I just read on a blog that someone has doubts about the work of
Koetting (Kingdoms of Flames etc.) because he's 26 or 27; I say: read his books,
try his methods and see for yourself.
The proof is in the pudding...

> I've met some very immature 30-somethings and amazingly savvy people
> in their late teens.  I say it's a case by case basis.

Hi Everyone

After reading Moon Age Daydream (an interesting SF/occult novel) by
Izabael/Shaun I follow the link from the back of the book:

http://www.izabael.com

To among other things this article. I was interested in your
reactions.

Love to All

L


  You Want to Be a Goetic Shaman?
by pAmphAge
Disclaimer for Use:
I accept no responsibility for your actions. You and you alone are
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It is unnecessary to explicitly state this because the initiated
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2
So without further Ado…
"What is the Goetia?"
"Goetia refers to a practice which includes the Invocation or
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The Latin name Salvia divinorum literally translates to "sage of the
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reality. Individuality may be lost; one experiences merging with
God/dess, mind, universal consciousness, or bizarre fusions with
other objects—real or imagined (e.g. experiences such as merging with
a wall or piece of furniture). At this level it is impossible to
function in consensual reality, but unfortunately some people do not
remain still but move around in this befuddled state. For this reason
a sitter is essential to ensure the safety of someone voyaging to
these deep levels. To the person experiencing this the phenomenon may
be terrifying or exceedingly pleasant; but to an outside observer the
individual may appear confused or disoriented. (Ibid.)
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"How do I take Salvia?"
a) I recommend Salvia Divinorum dried leaf (any variety will do) if
you have hearty lungs and can hold in the Salvia for two consecutive
hits of 25-3 5 seconds each. This method truly gives the most
balanced, yet intense trip of all the methods. However, not everyone
can handle this somewhat rigorous hit schedule.
b) Extracts, 5x-20x. Extracts are defined with a multiplication scale
of their concentration, i.e. 5x extract is five times more potent
than the same amount of dried leaf. I recommend you experiment with
the lowest concentration first and see which you like best.
The problem with the extracts is that they often take you all the way
to level 6 (Amensic) of the SALVIA Scale. This is NOT desirable, so
you must practice taking just the right amount to open the window on
levels 4-5 only.
The good news with extracts is that we don't have to hold in the
Salvia nearly as long. You should only need to hold in a single hit
for 20-25 seconds for 5x extract, 1 5-20 seconds with 0-2x extract,
and maybe around 0-5 seconds for 20x extract. It depends on the size
of your hits so only practice will make perfect.
[ "Wait, Pamphage! A quick question: What can I use to smoke Salvia
out of that is handy and cheap?" See footnote †.]
c) Sublingually. This is by far the least desirable of the possible
methods for our purposes. Chewing gives a great experience on the
lower astral realms, but it will NOT take you across the
metaphorical "abyss" into the axis-mundi, unless you were to chew it
for days and months on end like the ancient shamans had time to do. I
will, however, assume that you are like me and don't have anywhere
this kind of leisure time.
The liquid extracts that can be bought are perhaps a little better
for more quickly getting one "across the abyss," but frankly they
cost a fortune for most aspiring Shamans if they are going to be
doing regular work.***
Either method is similar in that you shouldn't swallow anything, but
rather to let it soak into your bloodstream through the lining of
your mouth.
For the rest of this guide, I am going to assume you are NOT
ingesting sublingually, but are instead, smoking by one of the above
two methods.
Practice with as many methods as you deem necessary until you find
one that you are comfortable with, and that can consistently take you
to the "Vivid" and "Immaterial" levels of the SALVIA Scale.
Very well, let's move on—
Step 2:
Choose a daemon from the Goetia. Any will do, but if you get a bad
vibe from the description, then skip those for now and pick one that
excites you and yet does not overly frighten you in any way.
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Step 3:
You must carve, paint, or otherwise imprint the sigil of the spirit
into some material form. Gold, lead, parchment, seashell, tree bark,
etc., are all traditional depending on the type of working and what
is available.††
For your first working I recommend black permanent marker or paint
upon a silver dollar. Silver is an inexpensive material that works
well as a "magickal container" in almost any situation.
After drawing/painting the sigil (however stylized you wish, but keep
the essentials clear), I also suggest you add a clear coat of nail
polish over the outside so that the pressure and sweat that occurs
when you tightly grip the talisman does not smear or ruin your design.
Now that you have accomplished steps 1 , 2 and 3 , you are ready for
the real challenge. We will fully invocate a daemon into our astral
aura and charge the talisman with his or her energy.
In other words, we are about to let a demon take possession of us,
and then force it into a "genii bottle."
I could just as easily phrase it as something more clinical, "We are
going to awaken an aspect of our subconscious in order to activate
certain neurological functions within our psyche. We will then anchor
this psychological state to a physical object."
Step 4. This last step is the real nitty gritty:
Find a place where you can be alone (or with an
unobtrusive "spotter") for at least two hours if not an entire day or
evening. The Salvia trip will only last five (5) minutes peak and
another fifteen (15) or so lingering but you will often want to go
back in for a follow up trip or two. For the remainder of our time,
fertile Shamans frantically try to assimilate the vast amount of
information they receive from Salvia and the daemons. People have
been shocked to learn how much you can experience in a mere five
minutes. Indeed one of the first lessons usually learned is to see
time as non-linear and most definitely mutable in a number of useful
ways.
A few precautions are in order due to the nature of Salvia and
especially so in the case of working with daemons:
Lock your doors and otherwise block off access to any place that may
be unsafe for you to go. People on Salvia often leave rooms for no
apparent reason and bolt down hallways or streets. Generally, this is
not out of fear, but out of some odd compulsion that makes perfect
sense from your new Saliva-induced point-of-view. But whatever they
are, as a Goetic Shaman you will quickly be learning to suppress
these outbursts and any other type of break that will threaten your
concentration upon the daemon.
Wherever you choose, and a bed is fine, make sure you feel safe and
comfortable. Then begin.
Get your talisman (i.e. the material base with the daemon's sigil
upon it) and your loaded Salvia pipe and just relax for a spell.
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Take your Salvia hit, and quickly lay the pipe aside safely. Now take
the talisman and either stare at it the entire time, or close your
eyes and hold it to your forhead. Both methods are simliar but
distinct. You can experiement which gives the most satisfying
invocations. I generally start by looking and then part way through
the trip, usually without conscious control, I close my eyes and
press it to my forehead. The key here is to maintain concentration
upon the talisman. Your concentration may wander to various timlines
or other vivid visions, but there is an "underlying concentration"
that is too uncanny not to recognize with a little practice. This
other concentration is the one that concerns you. It's the one that
is dominant during a Salvia trip so I feel no need to overly
differentiate it.
You must wrestle the demon into submission, which actually turns out
to not be so much like "wrestling," but instead is rather more like
having intercourse in an abstract and "pure energy" type of way. Many
other metaphors here would do just as nicely and after your first
experiment you can come up with your own.
By and by, you must "conquer" the demon, which oddly requires nothing
more than keeping ones attention on the demon the entire trip.
Sometimes "trips" will span several Salvia doses on the pipe over an
extended time period.
This however is the difficult part. Kind of like a bucking bronco you
will probably get thrown out of the trip on some random tangent again
and again before you can stay focused on a daemon all the way
through. If you are running off or otherwise find yourself not
focused upon the talisman once you come out of the trip then you
definitely got thrown off the bronco. You must build up your
concentration and magickal will enough to stay centered the entire
time.
Practice, Practice, Practice. I say this thrice, in warning and
encouragement. Staying focused through an entire trip is the only
difficult part of Goetic Shamanism. It can be done with practice.
Those previously attuned to deep states of hypnotic trance like yoga
or other forms of ritual magick will be a step ahead here, but a
complete neophyte can learn just from practicing on varying dosages
of Saliva.
The End.
"Wait! Wait! Wait! What's going to happen?"
Ok, everyone's "trip" will be different, but there are certain stages
you may notice:
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) The familiar sense of the Salvia trip "coming on."
2) You will cross the abyss. You'll know this feeling from your
Salvia practice runs. It happens when you cross over from your day to
day consciousness into the Shamanic realm. Salvia is a lot like
crossing over from the left side of your brain over to your right in
the blink of an eye. But there is that little space between the
hemispheres. That's no man's land. It's the aybss.
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) Finding the daemon. This part is surprisingly easy, practically
automatic, and really requires no effort at all provided you can
maintain concentration upon the sigilized talisman.
4) Finally you will experience something that could be described as
your energy pattern merged and
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integrated with the distinct energy pattern of the daemon. This will
most definitely include visions, hallucinations, and out of body
experiences, but the center of it all will some sort of
conceptualization that you are communing with a particular entity
with a very real purpose and agenda to his existence—just like you,
since at this point you are nothing but an energy pattern as well.
The only warning here is to watch out for overly literal
interpretations of your visions. Just as in a dream, people are often
only symbolic of someone or something else in reality. In the
beginning, it is considered wise to view everything as symbolic,
though admittedly sometimes the persons in the visions are directly
related to your eventual results. The problem is only an advanced
Shaman will be able to easily divine the difference. Therefore assume
that images of people we know are just masks for a deeper perception
or desire. Failure to do so can cause obsession, or at the very
least, grossly inaccurate premonitions.
"Don't Go! How is the daemon going to know my intent?"
There is only one trick here and that is to pick an intent that we
are utterly passionate about. No lukewarm hocus pocuses in Goetic
Shamanism...only go for the gusto! Go after the dreams and fantasies
that titillate you the most no matter how outlandish they may at
first appear.
The intent will shine through clearly to the daemon as you stay
focused upon him and the communion of your energies.
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) Your perceptions will start shapeshifting back into your day to day
consciousness. By the time you can ask yourself, "Did I do it?" you
will have crossed over the abyss once again to this side, i.e. your
usual day to day manner of thinking and perceiving.
"Ok, well...so how do I know if I wrestled the demon into submission?"
Remembering that this is only a metaphor, you will know without a
doubt when you have "wrestled the demon into submission" because you
will feel the job is complete in some deeply satisfying way.
Often this feeling is one of "I have learned everything I can from
this being and he or she understands all about me that he or she
needs to know with which to better carry out my Will, and I theirs,
for all proper exchanges in the universe are balanced and equal."
Though relatively safe in almost all ways due to the caring nature of
Salvia, this whole ordeal can still be pretty harrowing. I don't
recommend more than 2-trips a day as you will need a LOT of time to
process and sort all the new information you will receive.
"What kind of religion is this and does it go against my religion?"
This is not a religion. Goetic Shamanism is a technique. It is a tool
that can be used by someone of any faith, or lack thereof, if they
are so inclined. No one is bound to any formal spiritual hierarchy or
belief system despite what one may assume by reading through the more
pedantic literature surrounding either the Goetia or Shamanism.
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As far as the second part of your question, only you would know best,
but it depends on your religion and how you interpret such things. If
you want to treat these "daemons" as aspects of your unconscious and
Salvia as a catalyst for releasing them then I doubt that goes
against the precepts of any popular religion. However, if you stick
to the antiquated, but psychologically viable belief that the daemons
are actual spirits, or demons as it were, then I'd have to answer
conversely.
Ok, it's a technique, but does it fit well within any existing
magickal belief system?
Carlos Castaneda is a good place to start because as far as
mainstream publications go his works are by far the closest thing you
are ever likely to get to a "Saliva Universe." It's simple to
translate his shamanic experiences very directly into your own
experiences on Salvia, even when Castaneda himself seems to have left
his psychotropic drugs long behind.
It does take a healthy dose of metaphor and a commitment to getting
through his voluminous catalogue of adventures to find the sections
that are most congruent with your own workings, but his world indeed
makes a fascinating and relatively comfortable landing spot for all
your Goetic trips and experiences.
"In 1961 a young anthropologist subjected himself to an extraordinary
apprenticeship to bring back a fascinating glimpse of a Yaqui
Indian's world of `non-ordinary reality''and the difficult and
dangerous road a man must travel to become "a man of knowledge." Yet
on the brink of that world, challenging to all that we believe, he
drew back. Then in 1968, Carlos Castaneda returned to Mexico, to don
Juan and his hallucinogenic drugs, and to a world of experience no
man from our Western civilization had ever entered before."— From
Separate Reality
Reading Castaneda can help sooth the confusion and spiritual growing
pains that Goetic Shamanism awakens as our entire perception of
reality is repeatedly broken down and built up again at the most
basic levels. Indeed for our purposes here, we can say the axis mundi
is most ancient and primitive level of our psyche.
Another useful paradigm in which to use Salvia is the belief system
of Thelema. This involves the worship of Nuit, that is to say to have
the real or metaphorical perception of the universe as a giant
mother, symbolized by the infinite night sky. She shudders with birth
pangs of joy every time one of her children experiences bliss within
her arms.
"Come forth, o children, under the stars, & take your fill of love! I
am above you and in you. My ecstasy is in yours. My joy is to see
your joy." — From Chapter I, of Liber AL: The Book of the Law
Whatever spiritual background you set Salvia to, make sure it is one
where you feel the infinite possibilities in life can be yours. Do
not set Goetic Shamanism against a belief system or religion that you
feel constricts you in any way.
"So all this stuff works, huh?"
Indeed, thus attested to by the continuing popularity of both
shamanism and the Goetia. All I did was make a concise system whereby
an adventurous man or woman can get results comparable to that of the
greatest
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yogis, mystics, and shamans, but with an intensity and speed
congruent with living in a modern world.
"Can you prove it?"
That would be impossible in any scientific manner. I suppose what you
can do is judge me on my contentment in the three main areas every
human is most concerned with:
Wealth: I always have enough to do express any creative idea or
intensely piquant desire. These things include things not only
include the humanitarian and sublime but also the low and "selfish"
perversions we're all prone to now and again. Do What Thou Wilt is
the only decree, but lest yet forget: Love is the law, love under
will.
Health: I'd hate to jinx myself here, so let's just say I haven't had
anything serious to hinder my enjoyment of the things that mean the
most to me in life.
Relationships: I have a beautiful, devoted wife, who is exciting more
ways than there are stars of Nuit. Our love is as vast as our
passions are tempestuous.
"Kind of a cocky answer, don't you think?"
Maybe. But my real point is that everyone should expect no less from
their lives: The summum bonum *IS* attainable. Don't accept less than
perfect happiness on your own terms.
"Wait…one more thing. How will I recognize the results?"
a) They will be intense. Whether coming one day or one year later,
they should be revelatory, and almost frightening in some
specifically perfect way. (You'll also learn to be careful. Sometimes
you may not be ready for what you really want.)
b) Upon the arrival of the daemon's results, often long after you
left Salvia use behind, there will be distinct signs tied into the
original visions you had with your invocation. Therefore keep
accurate notes of your daemon workings! I guarantee you will want to
look back on them later. Writing about Salvia trips, and Goetic
Shaman trips especially, is not an easy task at first, but just use
your imagination. Divine your own method of communicating the imagery
you will receive. I personally paint abstract surrealist paintings
where I converse with the demons through my brush.
c) What you wanted on the deepest levels will manifest in the most
peculiarly piquant ways. Quite often things "happen magickally" with
innumerable "coincidences" stacked up on top of each other.
And that's just about it.
If you have any serious questions or concerns feel free to contact me
at pamphage@....
"At least tell me what to do with the silver dollar after I'm done
charging it..."
It's a fully charged and consecrated talisman. Keep it somewhere
safe. It is potent indeed.
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Footnotes:
*This free e-book is my gift back to the universe. You should never
have to pay money for spiritual truth. Even Aleister Crowley espoused
this. The magickal truths of this world are free for the seeing.
Since the blind prefer gaudy, expensive things that glamour and gleam
with false hopes and promises, there is no danger of magickal powers
falling into the wrong hands.
**Salvia's side effects are usually nothing more than a light sense
of well-being that lingers hour afterward. Also Salvia, at least at
the time of this writing, is legal most places, whereas the other
methods mentioned are most assuredly not.
*** Indeed for even many long standing practitioners. For while the
Goetic side of "Goetic Shamanism" does indeed deliver on extravagant
wealth if desired, many Goetic Shamans still prefer the practical
independence of a more simple life much as our Shamanic forefathers
did.
†† I'll tell you what to do: Take a used paper towel roll, poke a
hole about 75% of the way down. Then take tinfoil; double fold a
patch of it. Make a little bowl around your thumb with it. Stick it
into the hole you made in the paper roll and seal it up with
electrical tape. Suck on the end furthest from the bowl and make sure
no air leaks by covering the back end of the paper towel with your
free hand. This is now your "carb." Finish off by poking holes in the
bottom of the tinfoil bowl with a needle.
†† Unlike High Magick where the magician is often unnecessarily
burdened with odd and hard-to-come-by accoutrements. Goetic Shamans
ALWAYS have what they need in their immediate sphere so long as they
are attuned to notice it through their imagination and creativity. In
other words: Use what is around you.
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Bibliography:
Castaneda, Carlos. Separate Reality. Washington Square Press; August,
1 991 (Reissue)
Crowley, Aleister. Book of the Law. Weiser Books; March, 2004 (100th
Anniv. edition)
Mathers, MacGregor and Samuel Liddell (translators). The Goetia, the
Lesser Key of Solomon the King: Lemegeton, Book 1 Clavicula Salomonis
Regis. Weiser Books; December 1995 (2nd edition)
"Sage Student" and Daniel Siebert, "The Salvia Divinorum's User
Guide." URL: http://sagewisdom.org/usersguide.html
Wikipedia.com, "Shamanism." URL: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shaman
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http://www.izabael.com

and came accross this. I found the book to be interesting. It is an
SF/occult novel.



So You Want to Be a Goetic Shaman?
by pAmphAge
Disclaimer for Use:
I accept no responsibility for your actions. You and you alone are
responsible for checking out if Salvia is legal in your jurisdiction
and to make sure you maintain a safe environment for its use. I will
in nowise be held liable for ANYTHING you may do, or any
psychological ramifications this method may have upon your life. If
you are an aspiring Shaman then you must assume full responsibility
for your actions in this as in all things. If you do not agree to
these terms then do not under any circumstances perform any part of
the method contained in this e-book. Nothing in this e-book is
intended for minors.
"Is this the most up to date version?"
This is version 1 .0, released 11 /20/2006. The most up to date
version of this document can always be found at: pamphage.com.
"What's this about all about then?"
The goal of this small e-book is to be as concise and simple as
possible. The less said, I believe, will leave the message clearer in
the long run though at first glance some things seem to remain
unstated. But all is here, in a practical and concise manner, on how
to empower yourself with the ability to affect the very fibers of
your reality and reshape them into your heart's innermost, perfect
desire.
Warning: After you experience the manifested results from your first
Goetic Working, you will return an enjoyable and heartfelt gift back
to the universe in confirmation of a harmonious transfer of energy.*
It is unnecessary to explicitly state this because the initiated
Shaman will learn these things instinctively through practice, but by
mentioning it I hope to set the tone for this piece. Goetic Shamanism
is about altering and transforming energies, not about getting a free
ride.
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So without further Ado…
"What is the Goetia?"
"Goetia refers to a practice which includes the Invocation or
Evocation of demons, and usage of the term in English largely derives
from the 1 7th century grimoire Lemegeton Clavicula Salomonis, or The
Lesser Key of Solomon. Also sometimes seen as Lemegeton Clavicula
Salomonis Regis (The Lesser Key of King Solomon)" — From Wikipedia.org
What is Shamanism?
"Shamanism refers to a range of traditional beliefs and practices
that claim the ability to diagnose and cure human suffering and, in
some societies, the ability to cause suffering. This is believed to
be accomplished by traversing the axis mundi (`center of the world')
and forming a special relationship with, or gaining control over,
spirits." (Ibid.)
What is a Shaman?
"In contrast to animism and animatism (`everything has a soul'),
which any and usually all members of a society practice, shamanism
requires specialized knowledge or abilities. It could be said that
shamans are the experts employed by animists or animist communities."
(Ibid.)
What is a Goetic Shaman?
A Goetic Shaman is someone who uses Goetic daemons (also demons,
genii, or intelligences) in an invocatory, shamanistic manner. The
Goetia is most commonly used in High Magickal settings, but in Goetic
Shamanism the entheogen Salvia Divinorum is the catalyst employed to
bring the magickal student into direct and intimate contact with the
daemons.
What is Salvia Divinorum?
The Latin name Salvia divinorum literally translates to "sage of the
seers" and has long been used by the indigenous Mazatec shamans for
healing during their spirit journeys. The plant is found in isolated,
shaded and moist plots in Oaxaca, Mexico. (Ibid.)
Who are you and how did you come up with this?
Pamphage is my online pseudonym as well as my magickal name and
motto. I've had it since I was about 5 years old when I dubbed myself
with it while still living in New Mexico. Pamphage means omnivorous
or all-devouring.
I have been practicing ritual magick since 1 988, and developed this
method out of practicality for an intense and real need for material
plane results. First drilled in Golden Dawn and Thelema I then
experimented with LSD and Goetic demonology throughout the 990s with
good results–but not optimum.
It wasn't until I tried Saliva Divinorum in 2004 that I discovered
the ideal link to the shamanic world. Salvia is a much cleaner,
safer, and compacted trip than a more traditional LSD, psilocybin
mushroom, or peyote experience. These other methods are not as
reliable in getting people "across the abyss" and they also have
unwanted side effects which Salvia does not. **
Goetic Inovcation:
Step 1:
Get comfortable with Salvia Divinorum. Learn what brings you to level
4 or 5 of the SALVIA Scale. The SALVIA Scale, though being somewhat
arbitrary, still comes in handy as a roadmap for new students:
In the SALVIA Scale, S-A-L-V-I-A stands for:
Level : Subtle changes
Level 2: Altered state
Level 3 : Lightly altered state
Level 4: Vivid
Level 5: Immaterial
Level 6: Amnesiac
Level - 4 "V" stands for VIVID visionary state. Complex three-
dimensional realistic appearing scenes occur. Sometimes voices may be
heard. With eyes open, contact with consensual reality will not be
entirely lost, but when you close your eyes you may forget about
consensus reality and enter completely into a dreamlike scene.
Shamanistic journeying to other lands—foreign or imaginary;
encounters with beings (entities, spirits) or travels to other ages
may occur. You may even live the life of another person. At this
level you have entered the shaman's world. Or if you prefer: you are
in "dream time." With eyes closed, you experience fantasies (dream
like happenings with a story line to them). So long as your eyes are
closed you may believe they are really occurring. This differs from
the "eye candy" closed-eye imagery, of level . (From The Salvia
Divinorum's User Guide)
Level - 5 "I" stands for IMMATERIAL existence. At this level one may
no longer be aware of having a body. Consciousness remains and some
thought processes are still lucid, but one becomes completely
involved in inner experience and looses all contact with consensual
reality. Individuality may be lost; one experiences merging with
God/dess, mind, universal consciousness, or bizarre fusions with
other objects—real or imagined (e.g. experiences such as merging with
a wall or piece of furniture). At this level it is impossible to
function in consensual reality, but unfortunately some people do not
remain still but move around in this befuddled state. For this reason
a sitter is essential to ensure the safety of someone voyaging to
these deep levels. To the person experiencing this the phenomenon may
be terrifying or exceedingly pleasant; but to an outside observer the
individual may appear confused or disoriented. (Ibid.)
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"How do I take Salvia?"
a) I recommend Salvia Divinorum dried leaf (any variety will do) if
you have hearty lungs and can hold in the Salvia for two consecutive
hits of 25-3 5 seconds each. This method truly gives the most
balanced, yet intense trip of all the methods. However, not everyone
can handle this somewhat rigorous hit schedule.
b) Extracts, 5x-20x. Extracts are defined with a multiplication scale
of their concentration, i.e. 5x extract is five times more potent
than the same amount of dried leaf. I recommend you experiment with
the lowest concentration first and see which you like best.
The problem with the extracts is that they often take you all the way
to level 6 (Amensic) of the SALVIA Scale. This is NOT desirable, so
you must practice taking just the right amount to open the window on
levels 4-5 only.
The good news with extracts is that we don't have to hold in the
Salvia nearly as long. You should only need to hold in a single hit
for 20-25 seconds for 5x extract, 1 5-20 seconds with 0-2x extract,
and maybe around 0-5 seconds for 20x extract. It depends on the size
of your hits so only practice will make perfect.
[ "Wait, Pamphage! A quick question: What can I use to smoke Salvia
out of that is handy and cheap?" See footnote †.]
c) Sublingually. This is by far the least desirable of the possible
methods for our purposes. Chewing gives a great experience on the
lower astral realms, but it will NOT take you across the
metaphorical "abyss" into the axis-mundi, unless you were to chew it
for days and months on end like the ancient shamans had time to do. I
will, however, assume that you are like me and don't have anywhere
this kind of leisure time.
The liquid extracts that can be bought are perhaps a little better
for more quickly getting one "across the abyss," but frankly they
cost a fortune for most aspiring Shamans if they are going to be
doing regular work.***
Either method is similar in that you shouldn't swallow anything, but
rather to let it soak into your bloodstream through the lining of
your mouth.
For the rest of this guide, I am going to assume you are NOT
ingesting sublingually, but are instead, smoking by one of the above
two methods.
Practice with as many methods as you deem necessary until you find
one that you are comfortable with, and that can consistently take you
to the "Vivid" and "Immaterial" levels of the SALVIA Scale.
Very well, let's move on—
Step 2:
Choose a daemon from the Goetia. Any will do, but if you get a bad
vibe from the description, then skip those for now and pick one that
excites you and yet does not overly frighten you in any way.
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Step 3:
You must carve, paint, or otherwise imprint the sigil of the spirit
into some material form. Gold, lead, parchment, seashell, tree bark,
etc., are all traditional depending on the type of working and what
is available.††
For your first working I recommend black permanent marker or paint
upon a silver dollar. Silver is an inexpensive material that works
well as a "magickal container" in almost any situation.
After drawing/painting the sigil (however stylized you wish, but keep
the essentials clear), I also suggest you add a clear coat of nail
polish over the outside so that the pressure and sweat that occurs
when you tightly grip the talisman does not smear or ruin your design.
Now that you have accomplished steps 1 , 2 and 3 , you are ready for
the real challenge. We will fully invocate a daemon into our astral
aura and charge the talisman with his or her energy.
In other words, we are about to let a demon take possession of us,
and then force it into a "genii bottle."
I could just as easily phrase it as something more clinical, "We are
going to awaken an aspect of our subconscious in order to activate
certain neurological functions within our psyche. We will then anchor
this psychological state to a physical object."
Step 4. This last step is the real nitty gritty:
Find a place where you can be alone (or with an
unobtrusive "spotter") for at least two hours if not an entire day or
evening. The Salvia trip will only last five (5) minutes peak and
another fifteen (15) or so lingering but you will often want to go
back in for a follow up trip or two. For the remainder of our time,
fertile Shamans frantically try to assimilate the vast amount of
information they receive from Salvia and the daemons. People have
been shocked to learn how much you can experience in a mere five
minutes. Indeed one of the first lessons usually learned is to see
time as non-linear and most definitely mutable in a number of useful
ways.
A few precautions are in order due to the nature of Salvia and
especially so in the case of working with daemons:
Lock your doors and otherwise block off access to any place that may
be unsafe for you to go. People on Salvia often leave rooms for no
apparent reason and bolt down hallways or streets. Generally, this is
not out of fear, but out of some odd compulsion that makes perfect
sense from your new Saliva-induced point-of-view. But whatever they
are, as a Goetic Shaman you will quickly be learning to suppress
these outbursts and any other type of break that will threaten your
concentration upon the daemon.
Wherever you choose, and a bed is fine, make sure you feel safe and
comfortable. Then begin.
Get your talisman (i.e. the material base with the daemon's sigil
upon it) and your loaded Salvia pipe and just relax for a spell.
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Take your Salvia hit, and quickly lay the pipe aside safely. Now take
the talisman and either stare at it the entire time, or close your
eyes and hold it to your forhead. Both methods are simliar but
distinct. You can experiement which gives the most satisfying
invocations. I generally start by looking and then part way through
the trip, usually without conscious control, I close my eyes and
press it to my forehead. The key here is to maintain concentration
upon the talisman. Your concentration may wander to various timlines
or other vivid visions, but there is an "underlying concentration"
that is too uncanny not to recognize with a little practice. This
other concentration is the one that concerns you. It's the one that
is dominant during a Salvia trip so I feel no need to overly
differentiate it.
You must wrestle the demon into submission, which actually turns out
to not be so much like "wrestling," but instead is rather more like
having intercourse in an abstract and "pure energy" type of way. Many
other metaphors here would do just as nicely and after your first
experiment you can come up with your own.
By and by, you must "conquer" the demon, which oddly requires nothing
more than keeping ones attention on the demon the entire trip.
Sometimes "trips" will span several Salvia doses on the pipe over an
extended time period.
This however is the difficult part. Kind of like a bucking bronco you
will probably get thrown out of the trip on some random tangent again
and again before you can stay focused on a daemon all the way
through. If you are running off or otherwise find yourself not
focused upon the talisman once you come out of the trip then you
definitely got thrown off the bronco. You must build up your
concentration and magickal will enough to stay centered the entire
time.
Practice, Practice, Practice. I say this thrice, in warning and
encouragement. Staying focused through an entire trip is the only
difficult part of Goetic Shamanism. It can be done with practice.
Those previously attuned to deep states of hypnotic trance like yoga
or other forms of ritual magick will be a step ahead here, but a
complete neophyte can learn just from practicing on varying dosages
of Saliva.
The End.
"Wait! Wait! Wait! What's going to happen?"
Ok, everyone's "trip" will be different, but there are certain stages
you may notice:
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) The familiar sense of the Salvia trip "coming on."
2) You will cross the abyss. You'll know this feeling from your
Salvia practice runs. It happens when you cross over from your day to
day consciousness into the Shamanic realm. Salvia is a lot like
crossing over from the left side of your brain over to your right in
the blink of an eye. But there is that little space between the
hemispheres. That's no man's land. It's the aybss.
3
) Finding the daemon. This part is surprisingly easy, practically
automatic, and really requires no effort at all provided you can
maintain concentration upon the sigilized talisman.
4) Finally you will experience something that could be described as
your energy pattern merged and
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integrated with the distinct energy pattern of the daemon. This will
most definitely include visions, hallucinations, and out of body
experiences, but the center of it all will some sort of
conceptualization that you are communing with a particular entity
with a very real purpose and agenda to his existence—just like you,
since at this point you are nothing but an energy pattern as well.
The only warning here is to watch out for overly literal
interpretations of your visions. Just as in a dream, people are often
only symbolic of someone or something else in reality. In the
beginning, it is considered wise to view everything as symbolic,
though admittedly sometimes the persons in the visions are directly
related to your eventual results. The problem is only an advanced
Shaman will be able to easily divine the difference. Therefore assume
that images of people we know are just masks for a deeper perception
or desire. Failure to do so can cause obsession, or at the very
least, grossly inaccurate premonitions.
"Don't Go! How is the daemon going to know my intent?"
There is only one trick here and that is to pick an intent that we
are utterly passionate about. No lukewarm hocus pocuses in Goetic
Shamanism...only go for the gusto! Go after the dreams and fantasies
that titillate you the most no matter how outlandish they may at
first appear.
The intent will shine through clearly to the daemon as you stay
focused upon him and the communion of your energies.
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) Your perceptions will start shapeshifting back into your day to day
consciousness. By the time you can ask yourself, "Did I do it?" you
will have crossed over the abyss once again to this side, i.e. your
usual day to day manner of thinking and perceiving.
"Ok, well...so how do I know if I wrestled the demon into submission?"
Remembering that this is only a metaphor, you will know without a
doubt when you have "wrestled the demon into submission" because you
will feel the job is complete in some deeply satisfying way.
Often this feeling is one of "I have learned everything I can from
this being and he or she understands all about me that he or she
needs to know with which to better carry out my Will, and I theirs,
for all proper exchanges in the universe are balanced and equal."
Though relatively safe in almost all ways due to the caring nature of
Salvia, this whole ordeal can still be pretty harrowing. I don't
recommend more than 2-trips a day as you will need a LOT of time to
process and sort all the new information you will receive.
"What kind of religion is this and does it go against my religion?"
This is not a religion. Goetic Shamanism is a technique. It is a tool
that can be used by someone of any faith, or lack thereof, if they
are so inclined. No one is bound to any formal spiritual hierarchy or
belief system despite what one may assume by reading through the more
pedantic literature surrounding either the Goetia or Shamanism.
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As far as the second part of your question, only you would know best,
but it depends on your religion and how you interpret such things. If
you want to treat these "daemons" as aspects of your unconscious and
Salvia as a catalyst for releasing them then I doubt that goes
against the precepts of any popular religion. However, if you stick
to the antiquated, but psychologically viable belief that the daemons
are actual spirits, or demons as it were, then I'd have to answer
conversely.
Ok, it's a technique, but does it fit well within any existing
magickal belief system?
Carlos Castaneda is a good place to start because as far as
mainstream publications go his works are by far the closest thing you
are ever likely to get to a "Saliva Universe." It's simple to
translate his shamanic experiences very directly into your own
experiences on Salvia, even when Castaneda himself seems to have left
his psychotropic drugs long behind.
It does take a healthy dose of metaphor and a commitment to getting
through his voluminous catalogue of adventures to find the sections
that are most congruent with your own workings, but his world indeed
makes a fascinating and relatively comfortable landing spot for all
your Goetic trips and experiences.
"In 1961 a young anthropologist subjected himself to an extraordinary
apprenticeship to bring back a fascinating glimpse of a Yaqui
Indian's world of `non-ordinary reality''and the difficult and
dangerous road a man must travel to become "a man of knowledge." Yet
on the brink of that world, challenging to all that we believe, he
drew back. Then in 1968, Carlos Castaneda returned to Mexico, to don
Juan and his hallucinogenic drugs, and to a world of experience no
man from our Western civilization had ever entered before."— From
Separate Reality
Reading Castaneda can help sooth the confusion and spiritual growing
pains that Goetic Shamanism awakens as our entire perception of
reality is repeatedly broken down and built up again at the most
basic levels. Indeed for our purposes here, we can say the axis mundi
is most ancient and primitive level of our psyche.
Another useful paradigm in which to use Salvia is the belief system
of Thelema. This involves the worship of Nuit, that is to say to have
the real or metaphorical perception of the universe as a giant
mother, symbolized by the infinite night sky. She shudders with birth
pangs of joy every time one of her children experiences bliss within
her arms.
"Come forth, o children, under the stars, & take your fill of love! I
am above you and in you. My ecstasy is in yours. My joy is to see
your joy." — From Chapter I, of Liber AL: The Book of the Law
Whatever spiritual background you set Salvia to, make sure it is one
where you feel the infinite possibilities in life can be yours. Do
not set Goetic Shamanism against a belief system or religion that you
feel constricts you in any way.
"So all this stuff works, huh?"
Indeed, thus attested to by the continuing popularity of both
shamanism and the Goetia. All I did was make a concise system whereby
an adventurous man or woman can get results comparable to that of the
greatest
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yogis, mystics, and shamans, but with an intensity and speed
congruent with living in a modern world.
"Can you prove it?"
That would be impossible in any scientific manner. I suppose what you
can do is judge me on my contentment in the three main areas every
human is most concerned with:
Wealth: I always have enough to do express any creative idea or
intensely piquant desire. These things include things not only
include the humanitarian and sublime but also the low and "selfish"
perversions we're all prone to now and again. Do What Thou Wilt is
the only decree, but lest yet forget: Love is the law, love under
will.
Health: I'd hate to jinx myself here, so let's just say I haven't had
anything serious to hinder my enjoyment of the things that mean the
most to me in life.
Relationships: I have a beautiful, devoted wife, who is exciting more
ways than there are stars of Nuit. Our love is as vast as our
passions are tempestuous.
"Kind of a cocky answer, don't you think?"
Maybe. But my real point is that everyone should expect no less from
their lives: The summum bonum *IS* attainable. Don't accept less than
perfect happiness on your own terms.
"Wait…one more thing. How will I recognize the results?"
a) They will be intense. Whether coming one day or one year later,
they should be revelatory, and almost frightening in some
specifically perfect way. (You'll also learn to be careful. Sometimes
you may not be ready for what you really want.)
b) Upon the arrival of the daemon's results, often long after you
left Salvia use behind, there will be distinct signs tied into the
original visions you had with your invocation. Therefore keep
accurate notes of your daemon workings! I guarantee you will want to
look back on them later. Writing about Salvia trips, and Goetic
Shaman trips especially, is not an easy task at first, but just use
your imagination. Divine your own method of communicating the imagery
you will receive. I personally paint abstract surrealist paintings
where I converse with the demons through my brush.
c) What you wanted on the deepest levels will manifest in the most
peculiarly piquant ways. Quite often things "happen magickally" with
innumerable "coincidences" stacked up on top of each other.
And that's just about it.
If you have any serious questions or concerns feel free to contact me
at pamphage@....
"At least tell me what to do with the silver dollar after I'm done
charging it..."
It's a fully charged and consecrated talisman. Keep it somewhere
safe. It is potent indeed.
1 0
Footnotes:
*This free e-book is my gift back to the universe. You should never
have to pay money for spiritual truth. Even Aleister Crowley espoused
this. The magickal truths of this world are free for the seeing.
Since the blind prefer gaudy, expensive things that glamour and gleam
with false hopes and promises, there is no danger of magickal powers
falling into the wrong hands.
**Salvia's side effects are usually nothing more than a light sense
of well-being that lingers hour afterward. Also Salvia, at least at
the time of this writing, is legal most places, whereas the other
methods mentioned are most assuredly not.
*** Indeed for even many long standing practitioners. For while the
Goetic side of "Goetic Shamanism" does indeed deliver on extravagant
wealth if desired, many Goetic Shamans still prefer the practical
independence of a more simple life much as our Shamanic forefathers
did.
†† I'll tell you what to do: Take a used paper towel roll, poke a
hole about 75% of the way down. Then take tinfoil; double fold a
patch of it. Make a little bowl around your thumb with it. Stick it
into the hole you made in the paper roll and seal it up with
electrical tape. Suck on the end furthest from the bowl and make sure
no air leaks by covering the back end of the paper towel with your
free hand. This is now your "carb." Finish off by poking holes in the
bottom of the tinfoil bowl with a needle.
†† Unlike High Magick where the magician is often unnecessarily
burdened with odd and hard-to-come-by accoutrements. Goetic Shamans
ALWAYS have what they need in their immediate sphere so long as they
are attuned to notice it through their imagination and creativity. In
other words: Use what is around you.
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Bibliography:
Castaneda, Carlos. Separate Reality. Washington Square Press; August,
1 991 (Reissue)
Crowley, Aleister. Book of the Law. Weiser Books; March, 2004 (100th
Anniv. edition)
Mathers, MacGregor and Samuel Liddell (translators). The Goetia, the
Lesser Key of Solomon the King: Lemegeton, Book 1 Clavicula Salomonis
Regis. Weiser Books; December 1995 (2nd edition)
"Sage Student" and Daniel Siebert, "The Salvia Divinorum's User
Guide." URL: http://sagewisdom.org/usersguide.html
Wikipedia.com, "Shamanism." URL: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shaman
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I would not say that there are hard and fast rules with age, but it
can be a very big and important factor in things. Its not so much
about chronological age as experience, maturity, wisdom, and even a
little bit of brain chemistry and astrology (re: the returns of your
outer planets). Its not always a question of whether
or not a person is capable of performing an act - in this case, a
magical one - but whether or not they can act wisely. Generally,
people get wiser as they get older, but of course some people learn
more or less than others, and there are certainly many old souls
around who start out with a bit of an advantage.

Another thing about the age requirements is that they often go hand-
in-hand with various cultural and religious trainings and
initiations, so they provide a moral and cosmological background and
foundation for the more esoteric arts. For example, an old
Kabbalistic rule was that one had to be male, 40 and married with
children. If you think about Orthodox Judaism and everything that a
man would go through and learn up to that point, he's not only well
prepared for the higher things, but he's also gone through the
cultural safeguards to ensure that the wisdom and knowledge is not
abused and that it will be utilized for the good of the entire
community.

With Abramelin for instance, I took the age rule to heart and tried
to study and prepare myself for it in advance of turning 25 and
undergoing the actual ritual. I was really well rewarded for it and
found myself constantly guided and inspired in my studies. I also
later learned that, not coincidentally, 25 is an age when the
pituitary gland (re: crown chakra) really kicks into high gear even
as the more volatile chemistry of adolesence slows down. Around that
age, a person completes the physiological transition from a youth
into an adult. I can tell you now, having crossed that threshold,
that I have far more patience, wisdom, and understanding now then I
possesed even a year ago! I am not saying it works like this for
everyone: I'm just laying this out here to give an example of how age
can change us.

With Abramelin for instance, a lot of people think that knowledge and
conversation of the HGA is an intermediate magical pursuit associated
with minor adepts and the sphere of Beauty (Tipharet'). I disagree
though. I believe its actually far more profound, though you do get a
taste of things earlier on. To know one's True Will and what God has
appointed you to do in this life, as well as command and familiarity
over the chthonic and elemental spirits, are both listed among the
Greater Secrets in the Arbatel of Magic, right alongside prolonging
life, curing anything in the space of seven days, and
ascension/regeneration ala Elijah and Enoch.

Anyway, I'm not gonna tell you what you can and can't do, except to
say learn to walk before you run, and don't feel rushed. All of this
spritual work is the Art of Life, and to really master
it will take a lifetime pursuit anyway. So settle in and take your
time and don't feel pressured to hurry up and do things before you're
ready. That way, you will be completely prepared as you do reach new
vistas and will not have to backtrack, rehash, or reinvent the wheel.

Peace, love, fluffy bunnies galore,

David

It can be frustrating reading some of your posts, but I'm not
slandering you Tyler.  I am also an Esoteric Christian - a Gnostic -
so I also know where you are coming from. But as one with some
gnosis, I also recognize that the god of the old testament is a
twisted and perverted image of the True Father of the Fullness.
Iaodabaoth - Yaweh Tzavaot - is the saturnine demiurge, whose power
and position we actually assume when we step into and cast our
circles.

The Solomonic magicians did not hold to the standard interpretation
of the bible - Jewish or Christian - and I don't think you should
either. Not only do many grimoires require you to study the bible and
seek a deeper understanding of it, but many spirits are listed in the
registers solely for that purpose. One grimoire, Armadel's (not to be
confused with Almadel or Arbatel :P ) is actually completely based
and structured around scripture, and its methodology is a systematic
evocation of the chief solomonic spirits and angels to instruct you
in the full story behind each of the scriptures while teaching and
empowering you with magic along the way.

The format of almost all your posts thusfar seems to be: "I think X
is bad, wrong, dark, etc, mostly because of my narrow interpretation
of the New Testament - what do you guys think?" You are, in effect,
asking us to argue with you.

Like I said before, since you express so many negative opinions of
much of solomonic magic based on your understanding of the bible, I
honestly don't understand why you want to pursue it at all, when you
could be quite content with Christian Mysticism. Its not a judgment -
I just don't really get what you are after. Perhaps if you elucidate
why you got into magic in the first place and explain your goals to
us, then we can better undertand you.

What Jen said was really important and I reiterate it here:

>you need to understand before you hang your hat on the
Bible where it comes from. You're not going to be able to do any of
this stuff unless you lose a lot of the hang-ups that come from being
brainwashed by the Americanized version of Christianity. You either
want to know the truth or you want to be safe. You can't
have it both ways. Truth is on the path of danger. <

David

No need to get your feathers ruffled, Rufus. The boy merely asked for
our opinions, so I gave him mine. Ascension spirituality doesn't
conflict at all with Solomonic magic, and I enjoy and gain a lot from
both. Whereas Tyler seems to feel some conflict between his
spirituality and his magic, and thus we discuss it.

I've learned a few things over the years and various lives on this
and other worlds, but I don't pretend to be totally enlightened by
any means. I'm as fallible as anybody else.

Although I do resonate a lot with the star ocean and my experiences
on other worlds, I value my humanity and human experience just as
much. I might venture to say I'm smarter than the average bear, but
I'm learning just as much as anyone else by being here. In fact, I
prefer this group to the other webgroups on evocation, as the crowd
here is far more serious, erudite, accomplished, and intelligent. My
interests with Solomonic magic are more with the chthonic and
supercelestial areas these days, as I feel pretty adept with
planetary magic. But I'm far from mastery and have as much to learn
from you and Tyler as anyone else. And maybe something to share too,
which is as good a reason to be here as anything else.

I'm not trying to give Tyler shit - don't read too much into a little
venting.

Ok, in reading Aaron's book I was learning about the differences between
Shamanism and Christianity via Ceremonial Magic and prophetical magic. Would
anyone care to point out key similarities between the traditions so I can
record it in my ritual book.

Tyler


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----- Original Message ----
From: Emmanuel Uzo Obi <bizon586@...>
To: solomonic@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, 1 July, 2008 1:54:19 PM
Subject: Re: [Solomonic] Consecrated coloured chalk circle!


A.K,
 
If this has worked for you and you get results,why would color matter?
Because I'm running out of white consecrated chalk!! LOL!


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From: Adam Kadmon <adamkadmon7@ yahoo.co. uk>
Subject: [Solomonic] Consecrated coloured chalk circle!
To: solomonic@yahoogrou ps.com
Date: Tuesday, July 1, 2008, 5:37 AM

.
Hi there!
I have a black painted floor, and have always drawn in white consecrated chalk,a
magical circle.  I use the Francis Barret Circle of the Art, featuring the
sigil of sol and Arch Angel Michael, and the god names Adonai, Elohim, and the
Tetragrammaton.   Does the colour of the consecrated chalk, really matter?
Can I use red, yellow etc?
Light
A.K.

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--- On Wed, 7/2/08, Jim Casler <jim.casler6553@...> wrote:
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Subject: Re: [Solomonic] practical advice regarding burning incense
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             On 7/1/08, Orub Maad <orub_maad@yahoo. com> wrote:

>

> BEWARE BEWARE BEWARE The outdoor charcoal...

>

> --- On Tue, 7/1/08, Jim Casler <jim.casler6553@ gmail.com> wrote:

>

> From: Jim Casler <jim.casler6553@ gmail.com>

> Subject: Re: [Solomonic] practical advice regarding burning incense

> To: solomonic@yahoogrou ps.com

> Date: Tuesday, July 1, 2008, 3:48 PM



Just curious, but why would you think it's that much different from the

"indoor" charcoal? Burning *any* fuel indoors carries about the same carbon

monoxide risk. Also, the "outdoor" charcoal doesn't caontain any of the

nitrate oxidants that the tablets do, so there's a smaller chance of flying

sparks. If you're using one and *only one* briquette, and you take the

normal precautions for burning fuels, you shouldn't have any problems. If,

on the other hand, you're going to try to use a few hunks of charcoal

indoors, well, there's a good chance you won't do that more than once...



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Tyler's got a point which gave me an idea

 . Neither curse nor blessing the dealers must move on down the road.
 An attraction working to lure them to a different part of town. Cursed people
tend to be cranky and turn up the music even louder than it already is. But if
the drug buisness is better down the road.... well who can resist.
I would be concerned that  a blessing would bring more crackheads into the area
which would eventually cause some problems.
I think an attraction lure would work a bit faster than a drive them out.
--- On Wed, 7/2/08, Tyler Brown <tyler8779@...> wrote:
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Subject: Re: [Solomonic] RE: loudmouthed crack dealer
To: solomonic@yahoogroups.com
Received: Wednesday, July 2, 2008, 9:25 PM











             On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 12:08 PM, Scott Rassbach <srgnosis@charter.
net>

wrote:



>   There's more than one way to get rid of an enemy. If you wish for a

> blessing that also happens to get rid of your problem, what's the harm?

> Perhaps the person gets out of drug dealing and does something else,

> something less harmful or more constructive.

> At least somebody sees where Im coming from!! If you curse the guy its only

> going to make him more miserable, and lead to do worse things, if you bless

> him, it will not only benefit you, but benefit him, and the people around

> him.

>



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----- Original Message ----
From: Aaron <kheph777@...>
To: solomonic@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, 2 July, 2008 1:04:16 PM
Subject: [Solomonic] Re: Rewarding Spirits with a spearmint anointed candle
Hi there!
Aaron...Can you run that by me, one more time?  I don't know what you mean, by
the below sentence!
I tend to view offerings in the light of feeding the hungry spirit,
and thereby empowering it to do what I've requested. ;)

LVX
Aaron

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> I dont believe in rewarding or honoring spirits, but honoring the
god who
> brought them there. I use the incense to draw them to the triangle,
and at
> the end, the incense is sort of a thank you for coming, rather than a "i
> honor you" gesture.
>
> Tyler
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Hi there!
Why is it risky, to have a triangle of the art, painted on your altar?  Most
witches, use this method.
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That's in the Abramelim ritual which is a rigerous 6 month long ritual. I would
consider the fact that the life expectancy during the time that was written was
only about 40-50. So in my opinion I think if  your an otherwise healthy senior
go for it. Another thing in our society, seniors are the most prepared
financially to deal with the isolation and financial burden of such a working so
in that sense they have an advantage. This was not the case in the middle ages.
If you couldn't work you had to find someone to take care of you.

 I'm more inclined to agree with the lower end limit. There are too many
physical developmental goals during the teen years which have to be accomplished
which would cause distraction. Someone who is precocious and living on their own
in a stable job and situation who is under 20 I would say might  be okay. Also
the critical judgement abilities usually are not fully developed until the early
to mid twenties. This could leave the young adult attempting this working more
vulnerable to deception. Minor operations and learning ritual structure would be
okay; I would just restrict major long term operations like the Abramelim.

--- On Wed, 7/2/08, Tyler Brown <tyler8779@...> wrote:
From: Tyler Brown <tyler8779@...>
Subject: [Solomonic] Re: Age Counts
To: solomonic@yahoogroups.com
Received: Wednesday, July 2, 2008, 9:42 PM











             Ive been in touch with many occultits that say you must be a certain
age to

practice these types of magical arts, as in at least 20, below 60. What do

you guys think as in regards to the required age of the practitioner. I say

it doesnt matter.



Tyler



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----- Original Message ----
From: Jenny Sargent <jennyksargent@...>
To: solomonic@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, 1 July, 2008 3:03:32 PM
Subject: Re: [Solomonic] Rewarding Spirits with a spearmint anointed candle



 Hi again!
Has anyone seen Moloch?  Rewarding spirits, with a spearmint anointed candle,
was his idea.  He hasn't got back to me, on my original email, that I sent
earlier this week!
I summon thee O Moloch, to come to the circle, in the name of the almighty God,
theTetragrammaton, come without delay, and answer my questions, I've put to you!
LOL!
LVX
A.K.








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Greetings!

The use of ritual sacrifice has its roots in the most ancient
practices of ancestor worship.  In cultures like Sumeria and Egypt, it
was believed that the spirits of one's ancestors were completely
dependent upon their living relatives for sustenance.  Upon your
passing, your family would either tend to your spirit- giving you
food, water, shelter, etc- or you were doomed to roam the deserts lost
and starving for eternity.  (Sickness was often attributed to
possession by the neglected dead, who were desperate for shelter in a
human body.)

Therefore, your family was obligated to tend your grave and take care
of you after death.  (The Egyptian royalty took it to extremes.)  In
return, you were expected to work on the spiritual plane on behalf of
your living kin - keeping away evil spirits and misfortune, making
sure the crops grow, protecting your relatives from danger, etc, etc.
  This was the origin of the "Familiar" spirit- a word which has its
root in the word "Family."

(For the record, this is also the origin of necromancy.)

Hence- sacrifice.  In ancient times, the idea of slaughtering an
animal for food was pretty run-of-the-mill.  If it was dinner time for
your family, you killed a chicken (or cow, etc) and ate it.  Likewise,
if it was time for your ancestors to eat, you would also slaughter a
livestock and feed it to them (with all due ritual).

Therefore, the use of ritual sacrifice was always about feeding hungry
spirits.  Without it, the spirit languishes and starves, and finally
goes into a catatonic state.  The magician who sacrifices a chicken
isn't killing an animal because his spirits "get off on death."  He is
simply preparing livestock (or other offerings- incense, wax, water,
mild, honey, etc, etc, etc) for the spirits to eat.  Once the spirits
have this much-needed energy, they can go on with their appointed tasks.

Interestingly, the places in which the Goetia and other such texts
require you to work- places far removed from others, deserted houses,
dark corners of the wilderness, etc, etc- are the *exact* same places
cultures like Sumeria and Egypt avoided like the plaque.  Those
were/are the places where the neglected spirits congregate, and where
one was most likely to get himself possessed.  The Goetic Mage
(Exorcist) is charged with entering these forbidden areas, and taming
the wild spirits he finds there- a very Shamanic role.

Does that help clear it up some?  :)

LVX
Aaron



--- In solomonic@yahoogroups.com, Adam Kadmon <adamkadmon7@...> wrote:
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Aaron <kheph777@...>
> To: solomonic@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, 2 July, 2008 1:04:16 PM
> Subject: [Solomonic] Re: Rewarding Spirits with a spearmint anointed
candle
> Hi there!
> Aaron...Can you run that by me, one more time?  I don't know what
you mean, by the below sentence!
> I tend to view offerings in the light of feeding the hungry spirit,
> and thereby empowering it to do what I've requested. ;)
>
> LVX
> Aaron
>
> --- In solomonic@yahoogrou ps.com, "Tyler Brown" <tyler8779@ ..> wrote:
> >
> > I dont believe in rewarding or honoring spirits, but honoring the
> god who
> > brought them there. I use the incense to draw them to the triangle,
> and at
> > the end, the incense is sort of a thank you for coming, rather
than a "i
> > honor you" gesture.
> >
> > Tyler
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