... I certainly agree that any feelings that result from regarding indifferents as indifferent, or good things as good, are appropriate and desirable feelings....
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Grant Sterling
fccmoose
Jul 3, 2006 3:32 pm
... How do we control them? If reason is merely a tool that can be used to help us satisfy our emotional feelings, then: a) How can the feelings get out of...
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jan.garrett
chrys1943
Jul 3, 2006 3:04 pm
I don't think Grant's interpretation and Long's are very far apart. Pathe (the plural of pathos), in the classical Stoic sense, are what folks are talking...
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reb_el
Jul 3, 2006 12:25 pm
... valid. An emotional lobotomy is not something I would ever want to aspire to." I approve of Long's assessment also. I sounds very much in-line with what I...
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Alan Ross
ad_ross58
Jul 3, 2006 3:24 am
It's difficult for me to imagine benevolence and kindness as "character traits" rather than feelings. Perhaps that's because I'm not a sage. However, I don't...
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Grant Sterling
fccmoose
Jul 3, 2006 2:17 am
... Perhaps the first of these would be called an "emotion" in English--I'm not sure, since it is technically impossible for a non-Sage [i.e., everybody :)],...
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Alan Ross
ad_ross58
Jul 3, 2006 12:52 am
It seems to me that there are some emotions--the gentler and more selfless ones, such as benevolence and kindness--that the Stoics approved of. The emotions...
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Grant Sterling
fccmoose
Jul 2, 2006 11:40 pm
... My view is that all things that would ordinarily be called "emotions"; in English are patheia, are based on false judgments, and are therefore bad. Of...
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Jon Dickson
stoicbuddha
Jul 2, 2006 11:30 pm
Should we consider emotions/pathos as indifferent? I was believed that those things out of our control are to be considered indifferent, but pathos are in our...
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reb_el
Jul 2, 2006 2:05 pm
... indeed inclined to agree with, is that animals simply do not have the "hegimonikon", the "ruling faculty" that humans do that makes them truly "sentient";...
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robin
selgusni
Jul 2, 2006 9:54 am
... More specifically (as someone here pointed out) in the Stoic view, animals do not have patheia but only perhaps propatheia. I'm reminded of an essay by...
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robin
selgusni
Jul 2, 2006 9:42 am
... Welcome to the forum! I think what you write sums up the Stoic position pretty well. Robin -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free...
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robin
selgusni
Jul 2, 2006 9:40 am
... Yes, it was Ali, though I didn't know the bit about his having the soldier executed later. It reminds me of the famous incident of Socrates having someone...
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robin
selgusni
Jul 2, 2006 9:31 am
... Yes, but that would be _really_ embarrassing! ;-) Robin -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus...
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Alan Ross
ad_ross58
Jul 2, 2006 5:48 am
Hi,friends. I'm new to this forum. My name is Alan. I live north of the San Francisco Bay Area and I make a living working a very low status job that provides...
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the.dude6752000
Jul 2, 2006 5:01 am
... It's of interest because it comes close to pacifism even if it does not explicitly draw pacifist conclusions. ... sometimes refers to a practice attributed...
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jan.garrett
chrys1943
Jul 1, 2006 11:20 pm
Thanks for bringing this interesting passage to our attention, Dude. It's of interest because it comes close to pacifism even if it does not explicitly draw...
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jan.garrett
chrys1943
Jul 1, 2006 11:00 pm
I am not sure we have any experts in Stoic ontology in the Forum. The fact that you can raise this question suggests that you may know as much as most of us do...
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alicorn1976
Jul 1, 2006 10:56 pm
His book was not quoted for authority, it was quoted becuase his point about pacifism was direct and forcefully put. I'm sure I could have found an Ayn Rand...
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the.dude6752000
Jul 1, 2006 10:51 pm
I don't know if there are any sages here. If there aren't any, then we would most likely all instinctively revert to violence in such a situation. A sage,...
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the.dude6752000
Jul 1, 2006 10:43 pm
... The general Stoic view, which I am indeed inclined to agree with, is that animals simply do not have the "hegimonikon", the "ruling faculty" that humans do...
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jan.garrett
chrys1943
Jul 1, 2006 10:40 pm
I see we are quoting Sam Harris now. The fact that the Harris quote itself uses "nothing but . . . " language should warn us that Harris is reducing a complex,...
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reb_el
Jul 1, 2006 9:43 pm
... pursue a goal, and in what cases does the unconscious mind make the decision? Does my unconscious mind ever pay attention to my conscious beliefs? I really...
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Grant Sterling
fccmoose
Jul 1, 2006 7:29 pm
... Indeed. And this will knock your socks off--so do almost every human being on earth, and virtually all of the most famous philosophers in history! Isn't ...
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reb_el
Jul 1, 2006 3:38 pm
... think, as Rick for one has admitted, that it leads to the conclusion that it is rationally and morally correct for people with unusual desires [such as...
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oldeknoll81
Jul 1, 2006 3:11 pm
If a qualified is a substance that has certain qualities and a quality is a corperality that can causally affect the qualified substance, then why does...
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DT Strain
dtstrain
Jul 1, 2006 2:25 pm
GRANT: Note that your view presupposes that there is nothing in the universe which is intrinsically better than anything else. Because if some things were...
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RW
kayzr77
Jul 1, 2006 2:19 pm
The only further observation that I can give to the relationship of Stoicism and violence comes in the form of Marcus Aurelius. Was he not a soldier, waging...
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reb_el
Jul 1, 2006 1:38 pm
... rational goals. That is, we can rationally conclude that these things are intrinsically better than their opposites. If that's true, then reason can...
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robin
selgusni
Jul 1, 2006 10:51 am
... Possibly, but in practice we cannot be certain whether either of these are true. The passengers on UA93 saved thousands of lives by concluding correctly...
