... Yes, they would seem to be the originators of full blown hoplite tactics. I will say though that anywhere men fought over a patch of ground, such as over...
Its hard to say. Surely Boetia could claim a bull as its symbol, or Euboea. Spartans are often associated with serpents too and of course wolves- Lycurgus...
Regarding the Turkey experiment, I have read it on a web site (Â I know I have, but I must admit I have not saved it's location) but I also have downloaded a...
As with today's Armies, "training" is the key! This group in Turkey how did they train for this experiment? Training to move as one, to know what the...
Most ancient ares were not that well trained. Athens had a system of one year trainning,and Athens was one of the most powerful cities,their hoplites were...
I think only Hollywood or the Army have the resources to experiment with this. The only part of the abominable "300" that was of interest were the momentary...
The only interesting thing in the movie was the moment of the push(othismos). The underhand grip usage was too Hollywoodish... ... Áðü: David Mandelbaum...
I will try to find it. You may be right about the formation closing ranks just before engagement. I said about everything I know of the experient, so the...
I think the push was really interesting to see, and would have loved to have seen more of it in the movie. gt ... From: Γιάννης Καδόγλου...
Hi George. Plato in one of the dialogues is saying that "hoplomachia" the teaching of fighting with various weapons, is unecessary as handling weapons is...
Khaire, Giannis, You know that I have the highest respect for your scholarship, but in this case I must disagree. That bit of Plato is one of the most...
I first heard about this experiment form Victor Hanson. I wrote him an e-mail with an inquiry about real life phalanx reconstitution and he replied to me with...
Thanks for the nice and full of reference reply. I was refering to Plato's "Laches" which unfortunately i don't have in front of me. I had forgotten of...
Also I remember in "The History of the Peloponnesian War" by Thucydides, each group had a song for battle, possibly to also keep time for the movements. ... ...
Thinking further, they probably at least trained to what we would simply call "marching" together. The military still uses simple chants for this. Otherwise...
It is called ‘cadence’. Not always simple, but there are different cadence counts for running in formation, marching, force marching with gear and so on....
I'd be delighted about Alexander's troops regardless! After all,much of the theory was the same as the hoplite phalanx. Peter Connolly reconstructed perhaps...
That would be a great read about how they did and what conclusions they came up with afterwards. Do you know if the University posted anything on the net...
every one check out my phalanx simulations at http://vawarner2000.tripod.com/index.html under Simulation Implementation they could use some improvements but...
I believe the audio book I heard the Turkey experiment was from the below link. I'll try to listen to it again soon to pick up the reference to it. ...
William, I have been for some time looking for someone who can model and does not shy away from military topics (I have encountered many who do). While I agree...
... To me this is a bit like using a Rambo film to reconstruct modern infantry combat. The ideal of the hero, or the personification of the mass of your people...
... I agree with Giannis that they simply did not set up the phalanx properly. For instance, I have often seen hoplite phalanxes reenacted with little room...
Yeah i was going to say in the movie Alexander didnt they have reconstrust at least two full Macedionian phalanxes for it, isnt what they did what everyone is...
As for the lions vs bulls, perhaps the Spartans preferred the lion due to their ancestor Heracles' defeat of Nemean lion. Lions and bulls are both widely used...
I have no opinion myself on the matter,but I have to say I have never seen any direct link between the Spartans and any animal. We often think of the Spartans...
I have to agree with Giannis. I think this has largely come from interpretations from modern art historians, and pop culture in an effort to believe we are...
It was just a topic of conversion I threw up, I don't think we can consider it gospel. Hurcules and the Nemean lion is a great example. I do agree to, that...
Sparta's one of their Mores' shield emblems was the bull. None of them had a lion as an emblem. Although it is disputable if those emblems that have been found...
Good one, that pretty much settles that, good examples used. There is no undisputed link. gt ... From: Γιάννης Καδόγλου <kadoglou_gr@...> ...
