> 1. He would honor her because somehow he agreed with
> Jesus.
Re: Allah told Muhammad (pbuh) the truth about Jesus
(as His apostle only) and told him to honor Virgin
Mary. Muhammad (pbuh) had no personal opinion, he was
but preaching what Allah told him. read 3.

> 2. So what about the Chapter in the Koran? Maybe
> there isn't a chapter devoted to her because, it
doesn't have> anything to do with > anything.
Re: How easily you have disregarded the honor given to
Virgin Mary in Quran and not in your own Bible.
Wow, Virgin Mary - mother of Jesus!! and "it doesnt
have anything to with anything!" Just shows your
interest in your Jesus's mother! And you ppl call
yourselves "devoted followers of Jesus"!! However,
point 2 is in next Q.

> 3. I don't know why he didn't include his relatives
> in it. Maybe
> becuase it had nothing to do with anything. Mary was
> a virgin in the
> miraculous verse, which is why the Koran mentions
> it.
Re: The main point here which was to be noted, was
ignored by you. We do not find any mention of Muhammad
(pbuh) wife,daughter,mother in Quran - BECAUSE it was
not written by him!! Allah revealed the verses through
Gibrael over a period of some 23 years. Muhammad
(pbuh) just preached - a only job of a Prophet! If you
think about it for a second, you'll realize the
significance of this point here. Quran is from Allah,
not Muhammad(pbuh)!!

> 4. So you think Jesus is the Messiah? Well, do you
> think He died for
> your sins? This is all you have to believe to be a
> Christian, no
> Trinity, just that Jesus died for your sins.
Re: Yes Muslims believe Jesus is the Messiah. Tell me
something matt, yesterday it was all Trinity and today
"all I have to believe is he died for our sins, and
nothing else." Jesus was nothing more than a Prophet
of Allah. (Surah 2:136)Say ye (Muhammad pbuh): "We
believe in God, and the revelation given to us, and to
Abraham, Isma'il, Isaac, Jacob, and the Tribes, and
that given to Moses and Jesus, and that given to (all)
prophets from their Lord: We make no difference
between one and another of them: And we bow to God (in
Islam)."

> 5. He was begotten because the Bible says the Holy
> Spirit came and
> through It she was found to be with a child. That is
> where you get
> begotten, not actually biological. Even if it was
> how can you put
> God by your standards, in saying we couldn't
> attribute God to such
> lowly standards.
Re: The biggest problem is "because the Bible says
so". You keep on dreaming Bible is unaltered. You live
in your own world!! There is not one Christian in this
world who says Bible is not altered! What are you
talking about? Even priests admitts additions and
deletions in Bible over time [to an extent, every
verse is now suspicious]. When I give you a url to see
for yourself the contradictions,errors in Bible : you
refust to visit. What can I say? So keep on saying God
begets, I cant do anything. Its your belief. Not mine.


> 6. He says numerous times that He is the Son of God.
> And He doesn't
> say worship Me, hdidn't like that- You worship and
> pray to the Father
Re: Please quote from the Bible the exact statemnt "I
am the Son of God". Please do that, I'm interested in
that. As for you worship and pray to Father.. "well,
why dont you?" Why do you say then "Jesus my Lord?" Is
this not hypocrisy? or contradiction of a major kind?
At one point you say, Jesus is son of God - then you
quote Jesus saying "Worship Father". Still you worship
and pray to Jesus. Please dont say, Its symbolic, coz
i've had enough of that!

> 7. They are one in Diety. They are God.
Re: Does anywhere in Bible it is stated. I AM GOD?
doesnt "They are GOd" would mean : MULTIPLE into ONE?
Do you mean to say, there are multiple Gods all in
ONE? Where are you getting all these ideas? That is
why Quran says about the christians : "people who have
gone astray".

> 8. They didn't preach the same religion.
Re: How can you say that? It is your belief without
proof. I think matt, you need a REAL REAL SERIOUS
CRASH COURSE in Muhammad (pbuh) preachings. You'd be
surprise how similar Jesus and Muhammad (pbuh) and all
Prophets before them were!! I canot write all that
here.

> 9. The Bible is not altered. The Bible is not
> altered, Muhamad
> believed this and humans can prove it.
Re: Again, with absolute zero knowledge on Muhammad
(pbuh) you say, Muhammad (pbuh) believe Bible is not
altered! What can I say?? Matt, if i remember it
right, you wrote in last email Muhammad (pbuh) married
Jew women! How ignorant! All her wives were STRICT
MUSLIMS. They are infact models for all of muslim
women today! If your source of information still
persists with "answering-islm.org", you'd never now
the Truth about Islam. These sites are meant for ppl
like you, to distract you from the reality. To feed
false information.

> 10. Why do you assume that just because Muhamad
> praised Jesus make
> Muhammad right? Why do you think that if he wasn't
> right then he
> would have to be malicious. I don't think he was bad
> intended, but I
> don't think he was a prophet.
Re: You dont "think" he was a prophet! Without no
knowledge whatsoever you end it all up by being
persoanl in opinion about the matter! Muhammad (pbuh)
praised Jesus, as well as Moses, David, Abraham etc.
They were all a family. A family of Allahs Prophets.
All with one mission. to warn ppl from saying
blashphemy against God that He has partners, or sons,
or daughters, or making representation, or images of
Him, or making attributes of Him by knowing nothing
about Him, by stating things about Him, you have no
knowledge about, saying sun is God or moon is, or a
man, or an idol, or a tree and worshipping anything or
anything EXCEPT ALLAH, the one who is ONE, the ONLY,
the absolute, who begets none nor was BEGOTTEN, and
there is no one LIKE HIM. That is the definition of
Allah.

You are sooo far away Truth.
I have one another last question which I'd like you to
answer with honesty by being logical and rational.
This is concerning the matter, where Christians deny
mentioning the coming of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) in
their Bible:

According to Christian Scholars:

the Bible have so many things to say about the rise of
Soviet Russia and about the Last Days and even about
the Pope of the Roman Catholics?" But there is
supposedly nothing about Muhammed pbuh??? "Why is
that?" Surely this man Muhammed pbuh who had been
responsible for the bringing into being a worldwide
community of millions of Believers who, on his
authority, believe in:
(1) The miraculous birth of Jesus,
(2) that Jesus is the Messiah,
(3) that he gave life to the dead by God's permission,
and that he healed those born blind and the lepers by
God's permission.

Surely this book (the Bible) must have something to
say about this great Leader of men who spoke so well
of Jesus and his mother Mary?" (Peace be upon them
both).



Unless of course, someone is hiding something...
I think I now see the need for a new revelation, in
the form of Quran, and so does Allah. What do you
think?

Cheers,
Farhan i.e.









  theteenatheists@yahoogroups.com, Farhan Noor
> <farhan_ie@y...> wrote:
> > 1. Tell me matt, do you have any qualms in
> agreeing
> > that Muhammed (pbuh) was an Arab? [I hope not, coz
> > that wud be the end of sanity here] Muhammad
> (pbuh)
> > was addressing other Arabs and none else, whether
> they
> > agreed or not, that Mary the mother of Jesus, a
> > Jewess, was chosen above the women of all nations.
> Not
> > his own mother, nor his wife nor his daughter, nor
> any
> > other Arab woman, but a Jewess! Why would the
> Prophet
> > of Islam honor a woman from his opposition! "It is
> no
> > less than an inspiration sent down to him." (Surah
> > 53:4)
> >
> > 2. There is a Chapter in the Holy Qur'ân, named
> Surat
> > u Maryam "Chapter Mary", named in honor of Mary
> the
> > mother of Jesus Christ, peace and blessings of
> Allah
> > be upon him; again, such an honor is not to be
> found
> > given to Mary in the Christian Bible. Out of the
> 66
> > books of the Protestants and 73 of the Roman
> > Catholics, not one is named after Mary or her son.
> You
> > will find books named after Matthew, Mark, Luke,
> John,
> > Peter, Paul and two score more obscure names, but
> not
> > a single one is that of Mary!
> >
> >
> > 3. If Quran was written by Muhammad (pbuh), as
> your
> > URL suggests; then why did Muhammed (pbuh) not
> include
> > in it with Mary, the mother of Jesus, his own
> mother
> > Aamina, his dear wife Khadija, or his beloved
> daughter
> > Fatimah. But No! No! This can never be. The Qur'ân
> is
> > not his handiwork!. It is but Surah (53:4) ".. no
> less
> > than an inspiration sent down to him."
> >
> > 4. Quran mentions Jesus as Messiah.
> >
> > 5. You say Jesus is the begotten son of God. The
> > Muslim takes exception to the word "begotten",
> because
> > begetting is an animal act, belonging to the lower
> > animal functions of sex. How can we attribute such
> a
> > lowly capacity to God?
> >
> > 6. There is not a single unequivocal statement
> > throughout the Bible, in all its 66 volumes of the
> > Protestant versions, or in the 73 volumes of the
> Roman
> > Catholic versions, where Jesus claims to be God or
> > where he says "worship me". Nowhere does he say
> that
> > he and God Almighty "are one" and "the same
> person."
> > "Where does Jesus say: 'I am God,' or 'I am equal
> to
> > God,' or 'Worship me'?"
> >
> > 7. "I and the Father are one." (John 10:30).
> > One in what? In their Omniscience? In their
> Nature? In
> > their Omnipotence? No! One in purpose!
> >
> > I can go on..
> > a) Jesus was only an apostle of Allah, like Moses
> and
> > Muhammad (pbuh).
> > b) All three preached SAME RELIGION, SAME MESSAGE.
> > c) bible is altered. Hence the need for Quran.
> > d) JESUS (AS) IS NOT GOD.
> >
> > Think about it Matt. Why would Muhammad (pbuh) go
> on
> > and on praising Jesus and Mary and Moses, if what
> > Muhammad (pbuh) was preaching anything other than
> what
> > they had preached? They all were the Prophets of
> the
> > same God, with the same Message.
> >
> > Islam is the Truth.
> > an advice to you. If you want to learn about
> Islam,
> > dont got a hate-site [answering-islam] for
> > information. It is one of the most corrupted urls
> on
> > net. Go seek a learned scholar.
> >
> > Farhan i.e.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- matt  <tornadoes2@y...> wrote:
> > > 1. The Bible isn't corrupted
> > >  a. The Koran said God sent it down, was it good
> > > then but somewhere in
> > >  between then and now it got corrupted?
> Therefore
> > > making those versus
> > >  outdated?
> > >  b. The Jews didn't deny that Jesus was a
> prophet or
> > > that He existed, they
> > >  denied he was the Messiah.
> > >  c. How could they have made up the
> crucifixtion?
> > > There where to many
> > >  people that knew of it when it was written
> down.
> > > And if the Bible was still true
> > >  by Muhamad's time, there was definately too
> many
> > > people that knew
> > >  otherwise.
> > > 2.  If I say Jesus was not an apostle but the
> > > Messiah, that is not saying that
> > > Muhamad was told to preach that. I don't know
> why he
> > > said what he said, but
> > > the Church, the Bible, and all the believers
> were
> > > here first.
> > >  a. There are theories about where Muhamad got
> some
> > > of his stuff. He had
> > >  Jewish wives didn't he? Many Jews to this day
> > > believe that Muhamad and
> > >  Jesus were sort of prophets. At least to bring
> > > people from idol worshipping
> > >  and such. Wouldn't they know stories of Moses
> and
> > > them? Maybe not well
> > >  enough to get it right, though.
> > > 3. You keep saying Jesus is not the Son of God,
> and
>
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This is the point where no non-christian will become
christian, infact christian themselve will leave
christianity over it. Since, you are such a loyal
christian, you'll make means of justification through
other criterions - but you know yourself, its just
making ends meet "anyhow, anyway".

Nowhere in Holy Bible is stated, "I AM GOD, WORSHIP
ME". So Basically Jesus toyed around with these
millions of Christians by saying it all "indirectly"!
I dont see you Matt, EVER REALIZING, the folly of your
belief - because you dont want to know the Truth.

Hence proved, Jesus is NOT GOD.
[It doesnt take a scholar to note and realize, Jesus
never was a god, but infact an apostle of God. Does
the following verses ring any bells]
======================================================
...for my Father is greater than I.-(JOHN 14:28).

Verily, verily, I say unto you, The servant is not
greater than his Lord; neither he that is sent greater
than He that sent him.-(JOHN 13:16)

For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which
sent me, He gave me a commandment, what I should say,
and what I should speak.-(JOHN 12:49).
======================================================

From Islamic point of view, Jesus will return. To show
that he was "NOT" crucified -as christians believe and
Muslims DO NOT.
To denounce Christians ON THEIR FACE and say, "I DONT
EVEN KNOW YOU PEOPLE". This is what Jesus will say the
people who took him as their God/son of God whatever.
Infact, Prophet Jesus will be with the Muslims AGAINST
the Christians/Jews. And I can prove that FROM YOUR
BIBLE VERSES. Read on.

======================================================
"And he (Jesus) went a little further, and fell on his
face, and prayed..."-(MATTHEW 26:39).

"And Joshua fell on his face to the earth, and did
worship..."-(JOSHUA 5:14).

"And he (Elijah) cast himself down upon the earth, and
put his face between his knees."-(1 KINGS 18:42).

"And they (Moses and Aaron) fell upon their
faces..."-(NUMBERS 20:6).

"And Abraham fell on his face..."-(GENESIS 17:3).
======================================================

Do you see the point in the quoted verses??!!
Prophet Jesus (AS) "FELL ON HIS FACE AND PRAYED".
Just tell me Matt, who imitates Jesus like that?
Christians or Muslims? Everybody in the world knows,
ONLY MUSLIMS fall on their face and pray [prostrate]
in their daily 4 ritual prayers. Tell me matt, have
you seen any Christian doing that?

This proves Jesus was a MUSLIM and he came to preach
Islam and NOTHING ELSE. You people distorted this
teachings and introduced "TRINITY".

Doesnt this explain why we have to believe in Jesus?
Why Muhammad pbuh praised him? Why we muslims praise
Jesus?

The religion has always been ONE, "ISLAM".
First it was distored to Judaism
Then to Christianity.
But Muhammad (pbuh) came and established "ISLAM" as it
was supposed to be, once and for all. That is why we
call him, the "MERCY FOR MANKIND".

WHY CANT YOU SEE THE TRUTH?
I'm baffled.
Farhan i.e.











> Jesus, at least what is said in the Bible, never
> directly said that
> He was God, but isn't it obvious? If you were Jesus
> you wouldn't say
> that you were God because people would say you are
> crazy. He let
> actions and indirect words speak for themselves. And
> still got the
> message out.








--- matt  <tornadoes2@...> wrote:
> Matthew 1:20 But after he(Joseph) had considered
> this(divorcing
> Mary), an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a
> dream and
> said, "Joseph Son of David, do not be afraid take
> Mary home as your
> wife, because what is concieved in her is from the
> Holy Spirit."
>
> Matthew 3:17 And a voice from heaven said, "This is
> my Son, whom I
> love; with him I am well pleased."
>
> Matthew  11:28 "All things have been committed to me
> by my Father.
> No one knows the Son except the Father, and no one
> knows the Father
> exvept the Son, and those to whom the Son chooses to
> recieve him.
>
> Matthew 16: 16,17 Simon Peter answered, "You are the
> Christ, the Son
> of the Living God." Jesus replied," Blessed are you,
> Simon son of
> Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by man but
> by my Father in
> Heaven.
>
> Matthew 22:41 While the Pharisees were gathered
> together, Jesus
> asked them, "What do you think about the Christ?
> Whose son is he?"
>  "The son of David," they replied.
>  "He said to them, "How is it then that David,
> speaking by the
> Spirit, calls him 'Lord'? For he says,
>  "' The Lord said to my Lord, Sit at my right hand
> until I put your
> enemies under your feet.' If David calls him Lord
> how can he be his
> Son?"
>  No one could say a word in reply, and from that day
> on no one dared
> to ask him more questions.
>
> Matthew 26:63 Jesus remained silent. The high priest
> said to him, "I
> charge you under oath by the living God. Tell us if
> you are the
> Christ, the Son of God. "
>  "Yes, it is as you say," Jesus replied, "But I say
> to all of you:
> In the future you will seethe Son of Man sitting at
> the right hand
> of the Mighty One and coming on the clouds of
> heaven."
>
> Matthew 14:28 "Lord if its you, "Peter replied "tell
> me to come to
> you on the water.?
>  "Come"
>
> Matthew 14:33 Then those who were in the boat
> worshipped him, saying
> truly you are the Son of God.
>
> Matthew 28:19 "Therefore go and make disciples of
> all nations
> babtizing them in the name of the Father and of the
> Son, and of the
> Holy Spirit."
>
> Jesus, at least what is said in the Bible, never
> directly said that
> He was God, but isn't it obvious? If you were Jesus
> you wouldn't say
> that you were God because people would say you are
> crazy. He let
> actions and indirect words speak for themselves. And
> still got the
> message out.
>
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I am not here to convert you. When Prophet Muhammad
(pbuh)'s job was not to convert people, then why
should I? All Muslims are required is to present the
Message (or warn the people) and nothing beyond that.
I have presented that Message to the best of my
abilities, Allah knows best.

Since you have decided to read Quran, that too in
Arabic language, all I can say is - very good! That is
one big step and I congratulate you on that.

The URL's you posted again are from "answering-islam",
which is one of the MOST biased, corrupted websites on
the internet. It deals with so much distoration
through systemic approach, that one just cant feel but
falling for it. IT NEVER SAYS, "A" is incorrect
because "ABC"... infact it says "A" is incorrect
because "D" was dependant on "C" which was first
originated in "F" and lot of people dont know but it
actually gave rise to "G" before it contradicted "D"
and proof is "Z" because ... and if you wish to
re-check, its all there.. [most take their word for
it, which is what they want]

if you know what i mean.

the best proof I can give you, that ARABIC QURAN is
unaltered since 1400 years is, you LITERALLY take TWO
people and ask them recite ANY QURANIC verse. If they
both dont recite it alphabet to alphabet, I'm ready to
put my neck on line.

Friend, we have prayers 5 times a day and we all
recite Quranic verses aloud in the onligartory ones.
What I have learnt is what other people recite.

There cannot be any change. Is that not a proof
enough?
But ofcourse, translations are going to be different.
Thats obvious, isnt it? The original Arabic is same,
trust me.

Do you really prostrate? Then I must say, I've found a
very unique christian.. coz, i have 'NEVER' EVER seen
a christian prostrate on face. They only 'sing and
dance' in churches. Do you really prostrate? Hmmm, you
are getting interesting now....

Cheers,
Farhan i.e.

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Diacritical marks are for a non-arab to be able to
read Arabic. Added dots, marks on original text,
doesnt make the Quran invalid! I, for one, would never
be able to pronounce Quran correct, if it wasnt for
these marks. How would I? By these marks I know how to
pronounce the words. Literally.

So, yes.. you'll find Quran with and without marks.
With is for non-arabs and without for Arabs
themselves. Would that mean, Arabic Quran is not same?
Does it make sense?

Answering Islam is indeed a corrupted site.
You admitt yourself, you dont agree with some points!
But you agree with the rest. Tell me, how do you come
to a conclusion, which is correct and which is not...?
Any sensible peson would leave the website which has
even one contradictory line on it.. coz you wouldnt be
sure of the rest then.. Dont you know, ignorance make
falsehood look the Truth..

i have visited several Islamic website, some by
Muslims themselves, [and some by you know who posing
as Muslims, (a trick to know that is looking at the
best links section, will always lead to another
corrupted site) ] who have contradictory, made0up
stuff on it. I leave the website immediately.

Answering Islam is one of them.

... and tell me how and when and why you prostrate..

Farhan i.e.






--- matt  <tornadoes2@...> wrote:
> I don't think the website is so corrupted, I can
> pick out dumb
> arguments in it, myself, I don't take everything as
> so true on
> there. But they do make good points. I know what you
> mean, but they
> don't do that so much. I am just presenting some
> arguments also, we
> are also required to do that. You should still check
> out those
> sites. Here is one about different Arabic versions.
>
> http://answering-islam.org/Green/seven.htm
>  Yea I prostrate.
> theteenatheists@yahoogroups.com, Farhan Noor
> <farhan_ie@y...> wrote:
> > I am not here to convert you. When Prophet
> Muhammad
> > (pbuh)'s job was not to convert people, then why
> > should I? All Muslims are required is to present
> the
> > Message (or warn the people) and nothing beyond
> that.
> > I have presented that Message to the best of my
> > abilities, Allah knows best.
> >
> > Since you have decided to read Quran, that too in
> > Arabic language, all I can say is - very good!
> That is
> > one big step and I congratulate you on that.
> >
> > The URL's you posted again are from
> "answering-islam",
> > which is one of the MOST biased, corrupted
> websites on
> > the internet. It deals with so much distoration
> > through systemic approach, that one just cant feel
> but
> > falling for it. IT NEVER SAYS, "A" is incorrect
> > because "ABC"... infact it says "A" is incorrect
> > because "D" was dependant on "C" which was first
> > originated in "F" and lot of people dont know but
> it
> > actually gave rise to "G" before it contradicted
> "D"
> > and proof is "Z" because ... and if you wish to
> > re-check, its all there.. [most take their word
> for
> > it, which is what they want]
> >
> > if you know what i mean.
> >
> > the best proof I can give you, that ARABIC QURAN
> is
> > unaltered since 1400 years is, you LITERALLY take
> TWO
> > people and ask them recite ANY QURANIC verse. If
> they
> > both dont recite it alphabet to alphabet, I'm
> ready to
> > put my neck on line.
> >
> > Friend, we have prayers 5 times a day and we all
> > recite Quranic verses aloud in the onligartory
> ones.
> > What I have learnt is what other people recite.
> >
> > There cannot be any change. Is that not a proof
> > enough?
> > But ofcourse, translations are going to be
> different.
> > Thats obvious, isnt it? The original Arabic is
> same,
> > trust me.
> >
> > Do you really prostrate? Then I must say, I've
> found a
> > very unique christian.. coz, i have 'NEVER' EVER
> seen
> > a christian prostrate on face. They only 'sing and
> > dance' in churches. Do you really prostrate? Hmmm,
> you
> > are getting interesting now....
> >
> > Cheers,
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Tell you the truth, I have not tested this out myself.
Heard about it yes.. But I am also not sure of how to
take it, not that I deny it.. but i'd rather be more
comfortable in carrying it out by myself at first as
well..

It is a graph of the number of verses in a sura
(chapter) against the number of the sura. Now, if you
looking at the attached gif's.. then only read on..

you might say.. Muslims purposely crafted the word
"Allah" into the form.. but I say.. look carefully..
how each dot, ESPECIALLY the end is just too good to
be true..

B/w "ALLAH" in Arabic is written like that. And
"Allah" means GOD in Arabic.

How can I stress, the "signs" are everywhere.. but the
minds are not there.. Quran is the Truth.

Islam is what Allah wants us for our religion.
Atleast read the "Quran" first, before you go on
denying.. i hate to see people who have NEVER EVER
read the Quran or know NOTHING about Prophet Muhammad
(pbuh) or the pillars and continue denying it.. step
after step..

it makes me go insane, really.
Sigh.
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Hi matt,
There are 25 messengers (apostles) listed in Quran by
Allah. When we say Abraham (AS), Moses (AS), Jesus
(AS) are but apostles of Allah and nothing more, we
declare our faith in their "Messengership". This
being, a faith which believes that these apostles ONLY
CAME to deliver the message of Allah and warn them of
the consequences if they do not pay heed.

That is why I keep telling you matt, to stop believing
Jesus (AS) as someone other than an Apostle. He was
only a Messenger. Just like Prophet Muhammad (pbuh).
Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) did not try CONVERT anyone.
The term "convert" must be properly applied here. Not
with swords and war (as the west openly give "Jehad"
the bad name). Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) only came to
deliver the Message.. WHY?

Reason very simple. Bible had been corrupted. Jesus
(AS) -according to christians- has been put to death
on cross, the invention of Trinity.. Jews calling
themsevles son of Allah.. etc.

So in other terms, Jesus (AS) did not "save" us from
anything. His job was to deliver the Message of Allah,
which by the words of Quran, "he did". Our faith
(according to Quran/Sunnah) is that Jesus will return
to deny Christianity. He will openly reject
Christianity and will wage war against all those who
called him the son of Allah. His return (as mentioned
in Quran) is also to show the christians, that he was
not put to death on the cross. And lastly, to kill
Anti-Christ.

You keep on saying, "I dont know why Muhammad (pbuh)
was all praise for Jesus BUT...." Let us not dwell in
this delusion that it was only Jesus(AS). Moses shared
the same respect and honour in Muhammad (pbuh) eyes.
Now think about this Matt. Why would Muhammad (pbuh)
praise Moses and Jesus (AS) on one hand and on the
other tell us Muslims to denounce their followers? (IF
ALLAH WAS NOT ORDERING HIM AND IF MOSES AND JESUS
WERENT PREACHING THE SAME RELIGION (ISLAM))

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hello matt,
I think its about time you read a detailed answer
about Jesus (AS). Email is not the right medium for
answers like, "What did Jesus save us from" or the
like. Please read this article, and just be open
minded about it. I dont expect you to agree to it word
by word, coz ofcourse it defies your pillars of belief
about Jesus.

But this is the Truth. And the article is extremely
basic - as in, there are no twisiting tales in it.
Everything explanation is in layman's language, easy
for a common man to understand. Everything is stated
to the point.

So take care and read it carefully.
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sorry matt,
i just cant seem to attach this file to the email 'to
this group'. when i'm sending it to myself, it comes
as attached. so there has to be a story behind this
group about attaching.

b/w you'll get your answer regarding Christ (Messiah)
in Islam in it. I'll try sending it, some other way...
some day, if you REALLY REALLY need it.

But I like to stress a point which first needs to be
accepted by you. look matt, i'm not really convinced
regarding your strong defiance of Bible as unchanged.
Either you are being VERY NAIVE or very ignorant or
are in make-belief. This is something even Priests
have acknowledge (addition and deletion of words from
Bible) and I dont understand why you just refuse to do
that.

Look Bible is changed, there is no second opinion to
it at all. The stand Christians now make regarding
Bible is the "message" and not the authenticity of the
words. You are purposely being defiant about this
matter.

Secondly, about the prostration thing. Again it has
come as a great shock and a great surprize to me that
you prostrate. Again, thats a unique thing. You
prostrate but NOT THE CHRISTIANS. Look, I too know
christians and HAVE NEVER SEEN or HEARD of any
christian prostrating. Basically, if you stand in
Qanut - (as Muslims do in their prayers), it doesnt
mean the Christians on the whole do it as well.
Because they dont.

These two matters are simply "your view" and not that
of christianity on the whole. You cannot possible tell
me again, Bible is unchanged and that christians
prostrate - coz that would be absurd. Coz, the very
next christian is going to deny that without a pause.

B/w do tell me how do you prostrate and when and why!
It just doesnt make sense - saying "i do".. and also
how can you be even begin to think Bible is unchanged?
The church themselves agree of numerous additions and
deletions.

I wish I could send you the article regarding Jesus in
Islam. That would really be an eye-opener for you.

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Matt,
There is just too much material to be quoted regarding
Bibles modifications. But I've learnt, you will never
accept them. How funny you quote one rare incident,
which  nobody has even heard of and expect me to
belief it. Anyway, the point of the email is as
follows:

You say Jesus (AS) wanted to die on the cross for the
redemption of mankind and for the forgiveness of their
sins, right?

Read Mathew 27:11-14-
"And Jesus stood before the Governor: The governor
asked him, saying, 'Art thou the King of the Jews!'
And Jesus said unto him, 'Thou sayest': And when he
was accused of (by) the chief priests and elders he
asnwered nothing. Then said Pilate unto him. 'Hearest
thou not how many things they witness against thee?"
And he answered him never (to) a word..."

===============
Ok, matt.

My questions
1) why did he ask to turn away that cup from him (i.e.
death)?

2) Why did he cry out while on the Cross (as you
people asume): "O Lord, why hast Thou forsaken me?"
Mathew: 27:46
"Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, "Eli, Eli,
lama sabachthani? (my God, my God, why hast thou
forsaken Me?"

3) How could Jesus (AS) have remained silent when the
truth was being challenged? Was he not know for his
soul-inspiring sermons, callenging the learned Jewish
Rabbis.

Isnt this the very foundantion of Christianiy (story
of the cross)? Have I not shown you enough examples to
discredit the story?


==
I have a million other questions coming directly out
of the three I have posted above.

1) He wanted to die on the cross to save you people,
right? Why did he cry out? Why did he say, why hast
thou forsaken me? Excuse me, wasnt Jesus (AS) a god
just a few emails back? Who was he talking to?
etc etc.

Regarding, why Muhammad (pbuh) will never return to
Earth. To the best of my knowledge regarding this
issue.
1) Why would he return? He completed his job
successfully, passed away and he no undone business
left.

Regarding, why Jesus (AS) will return.. its all too
simple.
Quran 4-159
"... And on the Day of Resurrection, he (Jesus) will
be a witness againt them (Christians)."

BUT MOST IMPORTANTLY.
Jesus (AS) will return to prove that he never was
killed on the Cross. As you people believe. Jesus (AS)
will destory the Cross, kill the pigs and abolish the
Jizya and be victorious over Anti-Christ.

Again, to prove he never was killed onthe Corss. I
like to ask a few questions again. Based on Mathews
and New Testament: Ask your priests to help you answer
them.

1) did those who captured Jesus (AS) know him in
person? or did they notknow him?
2) was it during day or duringnight that he was
captured?
3) who was the one who directed them to him?
4) Did he direct them freeof charge or for a fixed
reward which they specified for him?
5) What was the conditionof Jesus during that night?
6) What was the condition of his eleven disciples?
7) Was Jesus contended with their condition? (Mathew
40-46)
8) Did they help him when those ruffians captured him?
9) Did Jesus (AS) had confidence in his disciples that
nihgt?
10) How did those ruffians captured him?
11) Who finally decided to pass the death sentence
against him?
12) When the ruffians brought that man before the
governor and informed him that the priest of the Jews
passed the sentence of death by crucifixion according
to their law (torah) did he believe in them without
investigation?
13) How was he crucified according to their
assumption?
14) This was a great calamity. What did he say while
on the cross (according to their assumptions) Mthew
27:46
=============

Another thing matt, you say Jesus (AS) is son of God
as well. Telle me:

Isnt according to the Biblical term in the Old and New
testament, every God-feraing righteous person is
called "Son of God" In Mathew: 5:9 we read:
"Blessed are the peace-makers, for they shall be
called the children of God."
In Mathew 5:45
"That ye may be children of your Father which is in
the Heaven."

=============

Jesus the Worshipper:

Mathew 14:23 -
"And when he had sent the multitude away, he went up
into a mountain apart to pray ...."

I say:  If Jesus is GOD or a part of GOD then why did
he pray???????? In fact, prayers is always a form of
submitting, needy and depedant.. ??!!
Read : Quran 35:15)

==============

Muhammad (pbuh) in Bible

John 14:15-16 -
"If you love me, keep my commandments. And I will pray
the Father and He shall give you anothe Comofrter that
he may abide with you forever."

John 15:26-27 =
"But when the Comforter is come, whim I will send unto
you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, whjch
procedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me: And
ye also shall bear witness, because ye have been with
me from the beginning."

(Matt, didnt another comforter came. If not Muhammad
(pbuh) then who? Besides did not Muhammad (pbuh
testify of Jesus? Praised him and recognized him as a
Prophet of Allah?????)

Read John 16:5-8
John 16:12-14
John 16:16
=================


THIS EMAIL is enough for you to leave Christianity. I
would if I had been you. This email prooves

1) Jesus (AS) was never killed on the Cross
2) Jesus (AS) is not a GOd, or a part of GOd..
3) Jesus (AS) himself mentioned coming of Muhammad
(pbuh)
4)  Jesus (AS) was a worshipper himself. SO HE CANNOT
BEA  GOD!
5) Why Jesus (AS) will return and Muhmmad (pbuh) will
not.


Matt, your own Bible is shouting at you to believe in
Muhammad (pbuh). Its time you think really hard about
your religious life.

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I'm a thirteen year old name tiffany, and i'm having some trouble. My
parents are Pagans, My friends are Christian, and i just dont believe
in either of those things. I dont wanna Be without a religion, and i
am trying to find one thats right for me, can someone explain please
what Atheisms all about?
Tiffany

Hello Tiffany,
Let me clear our one thing before I proceed. Atheism
is not a religion, its "JUST" a belief - a belief that
God doesnt exist. Let me prove to you that is not true
by simply quoting a layman example.

Tiffany, everything has a creator. The PC you working
on was created by someone. Just because you didnt
"see" that person, "know" that person DOES that mean
the creator doesnt exist??

So tell me, does this whole UNIVERSE - the life, the
time, the space, the moon, the sea, the animals, the
plant were created out of nothing? When a simple "DOOR
NAIL" can have a creator, do you think the SUN was
created by no one. THE ONE WHO CREATED LIFE AND DEATH,
and controls EVERYTHING which is in the heavens and
the earth is known as GOD, or as in my religion
"ALLAH".

So basically coming to your question now - what
religion you should choose (now that you have refused
Christianity and Paganism, GOOD!) - is ISLAM.

Let me just briefly tell you what ISLAM is. You will
see for yourself how "logical" the option becomes.
ISLAM means submission to the will of Allah. Thats the
meaning of the word, ISLAM.

An example is this. Suppose you are learning physics.
And your instructor is "Albert Einstein". Tell me
tiffany, will you not submit yourself to him (that
whatever he tells you is right?). Similary regarding
ALLAH, when HE CREATED YOU IN THE FIRST PLACE, will
you not submit to HIM in ALL MATTERS?

We muslims submit to Allah in ALL MATTERS and ISLAM is
our way of life. Not a part of life. Please note this.
Its our way of life. Everything we do is in accordance
with ISLAM, because that is only how you can
COMPLETELY submit yourself to Allah.

I await for your reply.
Farhan i.e.





--- Tiffany <soweird737@...> wrote:
> I'm a thirteen year old name tiffany, and i'm having
> some trouble. My
> parents are Pagans, My friends are Christian, and i
> just dont believe
> in either of those things. I dont wanna Be without a
> religion, and i
> am trying to find one thats right for me, can
> someone explain please
> what Atheisms all about?
> Tiffany
>
>


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Im sorry, you lost me somewhere in there?
Tiffany

Farhan Noor <farhan_ie@...> wrote:
Hello Tiffany,
Let me clear our one thing before I proceed. Atheism
is not a religion, its "JUST" a belief - a belief that
God doesnt exist. Let me prove to you that is not true
by simply quoting a layman example.

Tiffany, everything has a creator. The PC you working
on was created by someone. Just because you didnt
"see" that person, "know" that person DOES that mean
the creator doesnt exist??

So tell me, does this whole UNIVERSE - the life, the
time, the space, the moon, the sea, the animals, the
plant were created out of nothing? When a simple "DOOR
NAIL" can have a creator, do you think the SUN was
created by no one. THE ONE WHO CREATED LIFE AND DEATH,
and controls EVERYTHING which is in the heavens and
the earth is known as GOD, or as in my religion
"ALLAH".

So basically coming to your question now - what
religion you should choose (now that you have refused
Christianity and Paganism, GOOD!) - is ISLAM.

Let me just briefly tell you what ISLAM is. You will
see for yourself how "logical" the option becomes.
ISLAM means submission to the will of Allah. Thats the
meaning of the word, ISLAM.

An example is this. Suppose you are learning physics.
And your instructor is "Albert Einstein". Tell me
tiffany, will you not submit yourself to him (that
whatever he tells you is right?). Similary regarding
ALLAH, when HE CREATED YOU IN THE FIRST PLACE, will
you not submit to HIM in ALL MATTERS?

We muslims submit to Allah in ALL MATTERS and ISLAM is
our way of life. Not a part of life. Please note this.
Its our way of life. Everything we do is in accordance
with ISLAM, because that is only how you can
COMPLETELY submit yourself to Allah.

I await for your reply.
Farhan i.e.





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> I'm a thirteen year old name tiffany, and i'm having
> some trouble. My
> parents are Pagans, My friends are Christian, and i
> just dont believe
> in either of those things. I dont wanna Be without a
> religion, and i
> am trying to find one thats right for me, can
> someone explain please
> what Atheisms all about?
> Tiffany
>
>


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whoa,
tell me again, how old are you?
by the way, you decided to leave "christianity" and
"paganism" and wish to adopt another religion. why did
you join "Atheism?" Its not a religion!, its a belief.

Cheers,
Farhan i.e.





--- Tiffany Bomar <soweird737@...> wrote:
> Im sorry, you lost me somewhere in there?
> Tiffany
>
> Farhan Noor <farhan_ie@...> wrote:
> Hello Tiffany,
> Let me clear our one thing before I proceed. Atheism
> is not a religion, its "JUST" a belief - a belief
> that
> God doesnt exist. Let me prove to you that is not
> true
> by simply quoting a layman example.
>
> Tiffany, everything has a creator. The PC you
> working
> on was created by someone. Just because you didnt
> "see" that person, "know" that person DOES that mean
> the creator doesnt exist??
>
> So tell me, does this whole UNIVERSE - the life, the
> time, the space, the moon, the sea, the animals, the
> plant were created out of nothing? When a simple
> "DOOR
> NAIL" can have a creator, do you think the SUN was
> created by no one. THE ONE WHO CREATED LIFE AND
> DEATH,
> and controls EVERYTHING which is in the heavens and
> the earth is known as GOD, or as in my religion
> "ALLAH".
>
> So basically coming to your question now - what
> religion you should choose (now that you have
> refused
> Christianity and Paganism, GOOD!) - is ISLAM.
>
> Let me just briefly tell you what ISLAM is. You will
> see for yourself how "logical" the option becomes.
> ISLAM means submission to the will of Allah. Thats
> the
> meaning of the word, ISLAM.
>
> An example is this. Suppose you are learning
> physics.
> And your instructor is "Albert Einstein". Tell me
> tiffany, will you not submit yourself to him (that
> whatever he tells you is right?). Similary regarding
> ALLAH, when HE CREATED YOU IN THE FIRST PLACE, will
> you not submit to HIM in ALL MATTERS?
>
> We muslims submit to Allah in ALL MATTERS and ISLAM
> is
> our way of life. Not a part of life. Please note
> this.
> Its our way of life. Everything we do is in
> accordance
> with ISLAM, because that is only how you can
> COMPLETELY submit yourself to Allah.
>
> I await for your reply.
> Farhan i.e.
>
>
>
>
>
> --- Tiffany <soweird737@...> wrote:
> > I'm a thirteen year old name tiffany, and i'm
> having
> > some trouble. My
> > parents are Pagans, My friends are Christian, and
> i
> > just dont believe
> > in either of those things. I dont wanna Be without
> a
> > religion, and i
> > am trying to find one thats right for me, can
> > someone explain please
> > what Atheisms all about?
> > Tiffany
> >
> >
>
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I am only 13. And isnt any religion just a belief?
~TIFFANY
whoa,
tell me again, how old are you?
by the way, you decided to leave "christianity" and
"paganism" and wish to adopt another religion. why did
you join "Atheism?" Its not a religion!, its a belief.

Cheers,
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--- Tiffany Bomar <soweird737@...> wrote:
> Im sorry, you lost me somewhere in there?
> Tiffany
>
> Farhan Noor <farhan_ie@...> wrote:
> Hello Tiffany,
> Let me clear our one thing before I proceed. Atheism
> is not a religion, its "JUST" a belief - a belief
> that
> God doesnt exist. Let me prove to you that is not
> true
> by simply quoting a layman example.
>
> Tiffany, everything has a creator. The PC you
> working
> on was created by someone. Just because you didnt
> "see" that person, "know" that person DOES that mean
> the creator doesnt exist??
>
> So tell me, does this whole UNIVERSE - the life, the
> time, the space, the moon, the sea, the animals, the
> plant were created out of nothing? When a simple
> "DOOR
> NAIL" can have a creator, do you think the SUN was
> created by no one. THE ONE WHO CREATED LIFE AND
> DEATH,
> and controls EVERYTHING which is in the heavens and
> the earth is known as GOD, or as in my religion
> "ALLAH".
>
> So basically coming to your question now - what
> religion you should choose (now that you have
> refused
> Christianity and Paganism, GOOD!) - is ISLAM.
>
> Let me just briefly tell you what ISLAM is. You will
> see for yourself how "logical" the option becomes.
> ISLAM means submission to the will of Allah. Thats
> the
> meaning of the word, ISLAM.
>
> An example is this. Suppose you are learning
> physics.
> And your instructor is "Albert Einstein". Tell me
> tiffany, will you not submit yourself to him (that
> whatever he tells you is right?). Similary regarding
> ALLAH, when HE CREATED YOU IN THE FIRST PLACE, will
> you not submit to HIM in ALL MATTERS?
>
> We muslims submit to Allah in ALL MATTERS and ISLAM
> is
> our way of life. Not a part of life. Please note
> this.
> Its our way of life. Everything we do is in
> accordance
> with ISLAM, because that is only how you can
> COMPLETELY submit yourself to Allah.
>
> I await for your reply.
> Farhan i.e.
>
>
>
>
>
> --- Tiffany <soweird737@...> wrote:
> > I'm a thirteen year old name tiffany, and i'm
> having
> > some trouble. My
> > parents are Pagans, My friends are Christian, and
> i
> > just dont believe
> > in either of those things. I dont wanna Be without
> a
> > religion, and i
> > am trying to find one thats right for me, can
> > someone explain please
> > what Atheisms all about?
> > Tiffany
> >
> >
>
>
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Hello tiffany,
True religion is correct concept of God and living by
His principles and rules. Atheism has no concept of
God and hence have no code of living. Christianity on
the other hand, saya, God are THREE and that he gave
birth to a Jesus (imagine that!).
Which religion attracts you the most?

Farhan i.e.







--- Tiffany Bomar <soweird737@...> wrote:
>
>
> I am only 13. And isnt any religion just a belief?
> ~TIFFANY
> whoa,
> tell me again, how old are you?
> by the way, you decided to leave "christianity" and
> "paganism" and wish to adopt another religion. why
> did
> you join "Atheism?" Its not a religion!, its a
> belief.
>
> Cheers,
> Farhan i.e.
>
>
>
>
>
> --- Tiffany Bomar <soweird737@...> wrote:
> > Im sorry, you lost me somewhere in there?
> > Tiffany
> >
> > Farhan Noor <farhan_ie@...> wrote:
> > Hello Tiffany,
> > Let me clear our one thing before I proceed.
> Atheism
> > is not a religion, its "JUST" a belief - a belief
> > that
> > God doesnt exist. Let me prove to you that is not
> > true
> > by simply quoting a layman example.
> >
> > Tiffany, everything has a creator. The PC you
> > working
> > on was created by someone. Just because you didnt
> > "see" that person, "know" that person DOES that
> mean
> > the creator doesnt exist??
> >
> > So tell me, does this whole UNIVERSE - the life,
> the
> > time, the space, the moon, the sea, the animals,
> the
> > plant were created out of nothing? When a simple
> > "DOOR
> > NAIL" can have a creator, do you think the SUN was
> > created by no one. THE ONE WHO CREATED LIFE AND
> > DEATH,
> > and controls EVERYTHING which is in the heavens
> and
> > the earth is known as GOD, or as in my religion
> > "ALLAH".
> >
> > So basically coming to your question now - what
> > religion you should choose (now that you have
> > refused
> > Christianity and Paganism, GOOD!) - is ISLAM.
> >
> > Let me just briefly tell you what ISLAM is. You
> will
> > see for yourself how "logical" the option becomes.
> > ISLAM means submission to the will of Allah. Thats
> > the
> > meaning of the word, ISLAM.
> >
> > An example is this. Suppose you are learning
> > physics.
> > And your instructor is "Albert Einstein". Tell me
> > tiffany, will you not submit yourself to him (that
> > whatever he tells you is right?). Similary
> regarding
> > ALLAH, when HE CREATED YOU IN THE FIRST PLACE,
> will
> > you not submit to HIM in ALL MATTERS?
> >
> > We muslims submit to Allah in ALL MATTERS and
> ISLAM
> > is
> > our way of life. Not a part of life. Please note
> > this.
> > Its our way of life. Everything we do is in
> > accordance
> > with ISLAM, because that is only how you can
> > COMPLETELY submit yourself to Allah.
> >
> > I await for your reply.
> > Farhan i.e.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- Tiffany <soweird737@...> wrote:
> > > I'm a thirteen year old name tiffany, and i'm
> > having
> > > some trouble. My
> > > parents are Pagans, My friends are Christian,
> and
> > i
> > > just dont believe
> > > in either of those things. I dont wanna Be
> without
> > a
> > > religion, and i
> > > am trying to find one thats right for me, can
> > > someone explain please
> > > what Atheisms all about?
> > > Tiffany
> > >
> > >
> >
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Hello, it's so great to find a place for teenaged atheists. My name is Colette
and I am 16, I'll be in 11th grade next year. I've been a "non-believer" since
around 7th grade and I am just now figuring out my spiritual life. The only
thing I really have questions about is the fact that there may be an afterlife.
I happen to believe that I am still an atheist even though I am spiritual and
think there is an afterlife.

Anyway I would love to talk to you guys and find out what some of your beliefs
and doubts are.

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wicca

Farhan Noor <farhan_ie@...> wrote:Hello tiffany,
True religion is correct concept of God and living by
His principles and rules. Atheism has no concept of
God and hence have no code of living. Christianity on
the other hand, saya, God are THREE and that he gave
birth to a Jesus (imagine that!).
Which religion attracts you the most?

Farhan i.e.







--- Tiffany Bomar <soweird737@...> wrote:
>
>
> I am only 13. And isnt any religion just a belief?
> ~TIFFANY
> whoa,
> tell me again, how old are you?
> by the way, you decided to leave "christianity" and
> "paganism" and wish to adopt another religion. why
> did
> you join "Atheism?" Its not a religion!, its a
> belief.
>
> Cheers,
> Farhan i.e.
>
>
>
>
>
> --- Tiffany Bomar <soweird737@...> wrote:
> > Im sorry, you lost me somewhere in there?
> > Tiffany
> >
> > Farhan Noor <farhan_ie@...> wrote:
> > Hello Tiffany,
> > Let me clear our one thing before I proceed.
> Atheism
> > is not a religion, its "JUST" a belief - a belief
> > that
> > God doesnt exist. Let me prove to you that is not
> > true
> > by simply quoting a layman example.
> >
> > Tiffany, everything has a creator. The PC you
> > working
> > on was created by someone. Just because you didnt
> > "see" that person, "know" that person DOES that
> mean
> > the creator doesnt exist??
> >
> > So tell me, does this whole UNIVERSE - the life,
> the
> > time, the space, the moon, the sea, the animals,
> the
> > plant were created out of nothing? When a simple
> > "DOOR
> > NAIL" can have a creator, do you think the SUN was
> > created by no one. THE ONE WHO CREATED LIFE AND
> > DEATH,
> > and controls EVERYTHING which is in the heavens
> and
> > the earth is known as GOD, or as in my religion
> > "ALLAH".
> >
> > So basically coming to your question now - what
> > religion you should choose (now that you have
> > refused
> > Christianity and Paganism, GOOD!) - is ISLAM.
> >
> > Let me just briefly tell you what ISLAM is. You
> will
> > see for yourself how "logical" the option becomes.
> > ISLAM means submission to the will of Allah. Thats
> > the
> > meaning of the word, ISLAM.
> >
> > An example is this. Suppose you are learning
> > physics.
> > And your instructor is "Albert Einstein". Tell me
> > tiffany, will you not submit yourself to him (that
> > whatever he tells you is right?). Similary
> regarding
> > ALLAH, when HE CREATED YOU IN THE FIRST PLACE,
> will
> > you not submit to HIM in ALL MATTERS?
> >
> > We muslims submit to Allah in ALL MATTERS and
> ISLAM
> > is
> > our way of life. Not a part of life. Please note
> > this.
> > Its our way of life. Everything we do is in
> > accordance
> > with ISLAM, because that is only how you can
> > COMPLETELY submit yourself to Allah.
> >
> > I await for your reply.
> > Farhan i.e.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- Tiffany <soweird737@...> wrote:
> > > I'm a thirteen year old name tiffany, and i'm
> > having
> > > some trouble. My
> > > parents are Pagans, My friends are Christian,
> and
> > i
> > > just dont believe
> > > in either of those things. I dont wanna Be
> without
> > a
> > > religion, and i
> > > am trying to find one thats right for me, can
> > > someone explain please
> > > what Atheisms all about?
> > > Tiffany
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
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doesnt wicca comes under paganism ? why wicca?



--- Tiffany Bomar <soweird737@...> wrote:
> wicca
>
> Farhan Noor <farhan_ie@...> wrote:Hello
> tiffany,
> True religion is correct concept of God and living
> by
> His principles and rules. Atheism has no concept of
> God and hence have no code of living. Christianity
> on
> the other hand, saya, God are THREE and that he gave
> birth to a Jesus (imagine that!).
> Which religion attracts you the most?
>
> Farhan i.e.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --- Tiffany Bomar <soweird737@...> wrote:
> >
> >
> > I am only 13. And isnt any religion just a belief?
>
> > ~TIFFANY
> > whoa,
> > tell me again, how old are you?
> > by the way, you decided to leave "christianity"
> and
> > "paganism" and wish to adopt another religion. why
> > did
> > you join "Atheism?" Its not a religion!, its a
> > belief.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Farhan i.e.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- Tiffany Bomar <soweird737@...> wrote:
> > > Im sorry, you lost me somewhere in there?
> > > Tiffany
> > >
> > > Farhan Noor <farhan_ie@...> wrote:
> > > Hello Tiffany,
> > > Let me clear our one thing before I proceed.
> > Atheism
> > > is not a religion, its "JUST" a belief - a
> belief
> > > that
> > > God doesnt exist. Let me prove to you that is
> not
> > > true
> > > by simply quoting a layman example.
> > >
> > > Tiffany, everything has a creator. The PC you
> > > working
> > > on was created by someone. Just because you
> didnt
> > > "see" that person, "know" that person DOES that
> > mean
> > > the creator doesnt exist??
> > >
> > > So tell me, does this whole UNIVERSE - the life,
> > the
> > > time, the space, the moon, the sea, the animals,
> > the
> > > plant were created out of nothing? When a simple
> > > "DOOR
> > > NAIL" can have a creator, do you think the SUN
> was
> > > created by no one. THE ONE WHO CREATED LIFE AND
> > > DEATH,
> > > and controls EVERYTHING which is in the heavens
> > and
> > > the earth is known as GOD, or as in my religion
> > > "ALLAH".
> > >
> > > So basically coming to your question now - what
> > > religion you should choose (now that you have
> > > refused
> > > Christianity and Paganism, GOOD!) - is ISLAM.
> > >
> > > Let me just briefly tell you what ISLAM is. You
> > will
> > > see for yourself how "logical" the option
> becomes.
> > > ISLAM means submission to the will of Allah.
> Thats
> > > the
> > > meaning of the word, ISLAM.
> > >
> > > An example is this. Suppose you are learning
> > > physics.
> > > And your instructor is "Albert Einstein". Tell
> me
> > > tiffany, will you not submit yourself to him
> (that
> > > whatever he tells you is right?). Similary
> > regarding
> > > ALLAH, when HE CREATED YOU IN THE FIRST PLACE,
> > will
> > > you not submit to HIM in ALL MATTERS?
> > >
> > > We muslims submit to Allah in ALL MATTERS and
> > ISLAM
> > > is
> > > our way of life. Not a part of life. Please note
> > > this.
> > > Its our way of life. Everything we do is in
> > > accordance
> > > with ISLAM, because that is only how you can
> > > COMPLETELY submit yourself to Allah.
> > >
> > > I await for your reply.
> > > Farhan i.e.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- Tiffany <soweird737@...> wrote:
> > > > I'm a thirteen year old name tiffany, and i'm
> > > having
> > > > some trouble. My
> > > > parents are Pagans, My friends are Christian,
> > and
> > > i
> > > > just dont believe
> > > > in either of those things. I dont wanna Be
> > without
> > > a
> > > > religion, and i
> > > > am trying to find one thats right for me, can
> > > > someone explain please
> > > > what Atheisms all about?
> > > > Tiffany
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
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cuz i believe in reincarnation, gods, and magick

Farhan Noor <farhan_ie@...> wrote:doesnt wicca comes under paganism ? why
wicca?



--- Tiffany Bomar <soweird737@...> wrote:
> wicca
>
> Farhan Noor <farhan_ie@...> wrote:Hello
> tiffany,
> True religion is correct concept of God and living
> by
> His principles and rules. Atheism has no concept of
> God and hence have no code of living. Christianity
> on
> the other hand, saya, God are THREE and that he gave
> birth to a Jesus (imagine that!).
> Which religion attracts you the most?
>
> Farhan i.e.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --- Tiffany Bomar <soweird737@...> wrote:
> >
> >
> > I am only 13. And isnt any religion just a belief?
>
> > ~TIFFANY
> > whoa,
> > tell me again, how old are you?
> > by the way, you decided to leave "christianity"
> and
> > "paganism" and wish to adopt another religion. why
> > did
> > you join "Atheism?" Its not a religion!, its a
> > belief.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Farhan i.e.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- Tiffany Bomar <soweird737@...> wrote:
> > > Im sorry, you lost me somewhere in there?
> > > Tiffany
> > >
> > > Farhan Noor <farhan_ie@...> wrote:
> > > Hello Tiffany,
> > > Let me clear our one thing before I proceed.
> > Atheism
> > > is not a religion, its "JUST" a belief - a
> belief
> > > that
> > > God doesnt exist. Let me prove to you that is
> not
> > > true
> > > by simply quoting a layman example.
> > >
> > > Tiffany, everything has a creator. The PC you
> > > working
> > > on was created by someone. Just because you
> didnt
> > > "see" that person, "know" that person DOES that
> > mean
> > > the creator doesnt exist??
> > >
> > > So tell me, does this whole UNIVERSE - the life,
> > the
> > > time, the space, the moon, the sea, the animals,
> > the
> > > plant were created out of nothing? When a simple
> > > "DOOR
> > > NAIL" can have a creator, do you think the SUN
> was
> > > created by no one. THE ONE WHO CREATED LIFE AND
> > > DEATH,
> > > and controls EVERYTHING which is in the heavens
> > and
> > > the earth is known as GOD, or as in my religion
> > > "ALLAH".
> > >
> > > So basically coming to your question now - what
> > > religion you should choose (now that you have
> > > refused
> > > Christianity and Paganism, GOOD!) - is ISLAM.
> > >
> > > Let me just briefly tell you what ISLAM is. You
> > will
> > > see for yourself how "logical" the option
> becomes.
> > > ISLAM means submission to the will of Allah.
> Thats
> > > the
> > > meaning of the word, ISLAM.
> > >
> > > An example is this. Suppose you are learning
> > > physics.
> > > And your instructor is "Albert Einstein". Tell
> me
> > > tiffany, will you not submit yourself to him
> (that
> > > whatever he tells you is right?). Similary
> > regarding
> > > ALLAH, when HE CREATED YOU IN THE FIRST PLACE,
> > will
> > > you not submit to HIM in ALL MATTERS?
> > >
> > > We muslims submit to Allah in ALL MATTERS and
> > ISLAM
> > > is
> > > our way of life. Not a part of life. Please note
> > > this.
> > > Its our way of life. Everything we do is in
> > > accordance
> > > with ISLAM, because that is only how you can
> > > COMPLETELY submit yourself to Allah.
> > >
> > > I await for your reply.
> > > Farhan i.e.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- Tiffany <soweird737@...> wrote:
> > > > I'm a thirteen year old name tiffany, and i'm
> > > having
> > > > some trouble. My
> > > > parents are Pagans, My friends are Christian,
> > and
> > > i
> > > > just dont believe
> > > > in either of those things. I dont wanna Be
> > without
> > > a
> > > > religion, and i
> > > > am trying to find one thats right for me, can
> > > > someone explain please
> > > > what Atheisms all about?
> > > > Tiffany
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
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you say everything has a creator who created "god"?
does god like to be called god?
how can you believe the bible !? the bible isnt even christian stuff,
christianity was created many manty years after jesus's death by
romans  . the bible is really for jews all it really talks about is
jews ...do you really think billions of people came from two fuckers
who ate a freaking apple and talked to snakes... and why do you
suppose jesus was white ? he was middle eastern , the blazin sun had
to give him a tan,to all you believers , you havent asked questions ,
you should star asking .........

Hey,
How is everyone? Well, anyways my name is Noelle Morris. I'm 17 years old and I
live in Las Vegas, NV. I've been atheist since about 7th grade. Or at least,
that's when I realized it and started to declare it. I've never really felt
comfortable with religion; any bible story my mom told me seemed just like a
story about the Easter Bunny or Santa Claus (to be completely cliche). So,
yeah.... I do have some spiritual beliefs, but nothing supernatural.
Well, I'd better go. Looking forward to getting to know everyone here. Cya!



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>>Hey Noelle,
I used to think that Bible stories were kind of you know, fake, but they
aren't.<<

How do you know they are? You weren't there, there's no proof, except the Bible,
and that's not really proof.

>> Even Muslims believe in them,<<

What's that supposed to prove? I don't care who believes them; I don't. Just
because a large number of people believe in something doesn't make it true.

>>why do you feel uncomfortable with religion?<<

I don't feel uncomfortable with religion, per se, I just feel uncomfortable IN
religion. You know, practicing it, or whatever. It doesn't suit me.



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The latest from your Mp3.com Parody Chart Topper, Tor.
BiKiNi Meanie (Beach Boys parody)
Click the link and prepare to laugh!
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..[___]..

FISRT OF ALL , YOU ARE NOT BORN WITH THE KNOWLEDGE OF GOD , IF YOU
NOTICE ITS KINDA LIKE ALGEBRA, YOU GET TAUGHT ALGEBRA . ALGEBRA WAS
CREATED BY A HUMAN MIND TO MAKE THINGS SUCH AS PURCHASING THINGS
EASIER , THE IDEA OF GOD WAS MADE UP SO WE HAVE SOME EXPLANATION TO
OUR EXISTENCE . IT WAS MADE UP CUZ IT JUST SEEMS TO MAKE SENCE .
SOMEHOW IT HAS REMAINED FOR THOUSANDS OF YEARS ( IT WILL FALL) .

AND MY COMMENT ABOUT CHRISTIAN STUFF, WELL WHAT I MEAN IS THAT  JESUS
NEVER MEANT FOR THERE TO BE CHRISTIANS , HIS REAL INTENTION WAS TO
TELL THE JEWS HE WAS THE MESSAIH AND HE WILL BRING SALVATION- ABOUT
JESUS IN THE KORAN , ITS OBVIOUS MOHAMMED READ LOTS OF BOOKS , HE WAS
A POLYTHEISTIC PERSON UNTIL HE GOT TIRED OF HIS TRIBES STRICT RULES
THAT HE WENT TO MAKE HIS OWN RELIGION, WHAT HE TRIED TO DO IS UNIFY
CHRISTIANITY , JUDAISM AND SOME OF HIS OWN BELIEFS SO IT WOULD APPEAL
TO MANY PEOPLE, AND IT DID APPEAL TO SOME PEOPLE , BUT NOT PEOPLE
LIKE US ATHEIST , THE THINKERS , THE "THINK OUTSIDE THE BOX KINDA
PEOPLE".

AND ALL THOSE STORIES IN THE BIBLE SEEING GOD OR SOME SPIRITS OR
ANGELS OR WHATEVER, HAVE YOU EVER HEARD OF OPIUM , HALLUCINAGENS ,
THE MIDDLE EAST IS POPULATED WITH NARCOTIX TODAY AND IT WAS THOUSANDS
YEARS AGO . SOME ONE HAD TO HAVE USED THEM.

I WILL FINISH MY TALKS LATER ...