tthor.geo wrote:

> If anyone wants to trace the history of vehicle registration in
> California, I have already done the "dirty" work:
>
> http://www.geocities.com/tthor.geo/vehiclereg.html

Excellent work!  I wish that I had a computer when I was
fighting my cases, as I relied upon much the same as your
research reveals.  As it is, my research sits in a pile of
papers three inches thick, too much for me to convert to
satisfy lazy curiosity, and now there's no reason for me to
do so, since you came along and did it!

It's nice to see that there is at least one other person who
understands the situation in California!  You covered all
the main points, and even covered the oath (which comes
first).  Now, may the cognitive dissonance amongst those
just learning for the first time about "equitable interests"
   be dispelled once and for all!

Maybe a few more will come to the realization that they
condemn themselves out of their own mouths and under their
own signatures at their FIRST contact with the corporate
state via its agents.

Still, most will continue to waive rights in an effort to be
"nice" and "compliant".

Note: with no one taking the oath anymore, a "proper quo
warranto proceeding" is when you disqualify your
impersonating neighbor to his face at the first opportunity,
since there can be no valid second opportunity.  You cannot
be shy!

Discuss amongst yourselves!



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----- Original Message -----

From: Herald Darryl-Bruce:

To: tips_and_tricks@yahoogroups.com ; CCL NEWS

Cc: CITIZEN'S CONSTITUTIONAL COMMAND CENTER

Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 12:54 AM

Subject: [tips_and_tricks] VICTORY - MOTHER WINS IN COURT SUI JURIS, CHILD IS HOME !!!!

----- Original Message -----

From: avoice@...

To: A Voice For Children

Sent: Monday, July 28, 2003 10:20 PM

Subject: VICTORY - MOTHER WINS IN COURT SUI JURIS, CHILD IS HOME !!!!

VICTORY - MOTHER WINS IN COURT SUI JURIS, CHILD IS HOME !!!!

From (name withheld for privacy)

Date: Friday, July 25, 2003 5:01 AM
Subject: thanks

 

Pamela,
I got my son back. I took advise from the internet and read and rearead everything you posted as you know so much. The most important thing I did was take your advise and went to court without a lawyer. I had no idea how corrupt they are and how they can sign a persons rights away. I have a lot of people mad at this point but no one I care about. They are also thinking I'm going to file a law suit which is my next project if I can get enough information. You give good advise. I will be here for the cause until this mess is straightened out and now my son will join us.
Thanks again.

(name withheld)

 

A Child comes home !!!  A Mother fights and gets her son back !!!  Fired the attorney, confronted the Beast Sui Juris, no "represented status" in the court.   She turned it  around.

 

"Fully empowered" human mother standing for her human offspring and family body, making the record of the truth of what has happened to her and her child.  Tonight her son is home.  Glory to God !!!

 

Just like they take the children - one at a time, one by one we take it back ... she is now another first hand witness to tell others about their rights and the real issues in the courts.

 

We certainly will make sure she gets all the help she needs to file her lawsuits against her abusers next.  There is no higher authority in the court than the sovereign human excercising their Inherent Rights.  

 

pamela gaston

www.avoiceforchildren.com

 

 

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-----Original Message-----
From: Robert Riggins [mailto:bobert@...]
Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 9:34 PM
To: tips_and_tricks@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [tips_and_tricks] What happens next?

Dave: If you plan on representing yourself you need to learn procedures fast!  As I have said before, go to the courthouse and check a file and gather information from it.  What will happen next is, the attorney will file an answer to your complaint and claim there are no grounds for your complaint.  You then will have an opportunity to file an Amended Complaint.    You filed in Federal court, check the local rules for filing times, usually 20 days.  Which means that if the 20th day falls on a Sat. Sun. or holiday you have the whole next day to answer.  You need to go to a law library and learn for yourself or you are going to be dead-in-the-water!    -------Original Message-------   From: tips_and_tricks@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 01:27:39 AM To: tips_and_tricks@yahoogroups.com Subject: [tips_and_tricks] What happens next?   For those of you that have followed my saga so far, I'm now curious as to what happens next.   Last Monday I got my Pro Se complaint filed in the Federal Courts here in N.C. When I added the Pauper form to the complaint, the Clerk told me that the Judge would probably have U.S. Marshalls hand deliver the complaint to the Defendant (the company I am sueing). I then asked the Clerk what happens next, and she said that the company I'm sueing has 20 days in which to respond.   My question is.... what do I do, and what should I be preparing for, once we get a response? Do I make the next move, or the Judge, or ?   Dave           ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for Your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at Myinks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/sO0ANB/LIdGAA/ySSFAA/aQSolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~->   To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: tips_and_tricks-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com       Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/     .

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Ralph is on the cutting edge of breaking the BAR's back.  His research
has been instrumental in throwing a hitch in the git along of the Alaska
criminal courts.  He is gathering documents and information to make a
case that the legislature, the supreme court and the BAR have conspired
to do away with the rights of the People.  He needs help.  He is flat
broke and can not continue the fight without his research tool, WESTLAW.
He is 3 months behind in paying for his subscription and tells me that
if it goes, he will discontinue his fight, as that is his most important
tool.  If anybody can contribute to his situation, it would be
worthwhile to all of us.

-----Original Message-----
From: Billy-Joe..Mauldin [mailto:wildbill2@...]
Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 7:49 AM
To: Undisclosed-Recipient:;
Subject: [tips_and_tricks] Fw: [citizensoftheUSofA] On Radio


Ralph Kermitt Winterrowd can be heard on the internet by going to:
www.thepowerhour.com , http://www.gcnlive.com/listenlive.htm (click on
stream 2) or by entering http://sce.m2ktalk.com:8010/listen.pls directly
into Real Player! He will be on in the third hour (9:00 AM, Central
time).  That is a little over one hour and fifteen minutes from now!!

Other ways to listen:

Short-wave Frequencies!!!!

Live 7-8 AM CST
WHRI 9.850 and 9.495

Live 8-10 AM CST on
WHRI 9.850 and 17.560

Replay 9-12 PM CST
WHRI 7.580

Satellite:
G1, T17,
5.58 narrow band
or
G9, T2, 7.3 narrow band


Billy-Joe..Mauldin




From: "Ralph Kermit Winterrowd 2nd" <ralph@...>


I am going to be on "The Power Hour tomorrow at 6 AM Alaska Time for one
hour on the Assistance of Counsel - No trial by jury. This is on the
internet and short-wave radio and some am stations.

Rlaph
--

If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude
better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace.
We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which
feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may
posterity forget ye were our countrymen.       Samuel Adams

The problem isn't what we don't know, the problem is what we believe
to be so and isn't so.           Will Rogers

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Are you a vegetable or are you a human being?

 

 

Two strange men break into your home, your personal space and sanctuary... in the dark of night. You tremble in fear. Your heart pounds wildly. You are shocked that anyone would have the incredible arrogance and maliciousness to just break in and brashly stride across your floors.

You have no idea what they might do, even if they told you that they were only there rob you. They are totally unpredictable as if they were wild rabid animals as far as you are concerned.

Then they shine a light in your face as a horrible vision of your own imminent and violent death races through your mind. You feel as though you might explode with sheer terror!

Now. What are you supposed to do?

Cringe? Lunge like an idiot for the phone? Pull the covers up over your head? Jump out the window to your death? Scream for help? Get on your knees, cry and beg for mercy? Promise them you'll do anything. "ANYTHING!" ?  Stand there like a vegetable and say "Hi! Here I am!  Look at me! I'm a juicy tomato! Cut me! Watch me bleed! Slice me, dice me!  Put me in a stew! I don't care..."

So come on. What the hell was this man, Tony Martin,  to do other than what he did? Especially after he pleaded with police several times to actually do their job. And though nobody in their right mind relishes the idea of killing another human being, I ask you dear citizen...what would you do?

And I ask you further, does gun control keep us safe? If we let the government take all guns from lawful citizens against common sense and all moral rights to self-defense, which is their admitted plan, then who will have the guns?

A. Any criminal who wants one bad enough

and...

B. Any government thug who wants to break your door down and arrest you without a warrant in a climate of tyranny and government run amuck.

I happen to come from a family that has had little or nothing to do with guns, and though there was always a right and a reason to own guns, many people didn't feel the need to own one, which was and is also their right.

But now, with crime out of control, with brazen criminals running around doing whatever they want and with a criminal government that has shredded your constitutional rights - permanently - and says it now has the right to arrest you, try you and execute you in secret for no reason other than that they deem fit to do so, does any sort of gun control make sense to you? And will you accept it?

Are you a vegetable or are you a human being with inalienable rights including the right to preserve your own life?

If you have even a shred of common sense, you will vigorously oppose all gun legislation and further, you will expose the real agenda behind same.

It's Liberty or Nothing! There is no compromising with tyranny! Give them an inch of your liberty and they will try to take it all, including your very life itself. History teaches us this lesson. Let's learn it and teach it to others.

 

Paul Walker

 

 

Shootings were like a horror film
By David Sapsted and Graham Tibbetts
(Filed: 30/07/2003)

Tony Martin described last night how his heart raced and he felt "his body was about to explode" the moment before he shot dead a burglar and wounded another.

The 58-year-old farmer, who says he has been "misunderstood", recalled the fateful shots that killed Fred Barras, 16, and injured his accomplice, Brendon Fearon, after serving two thirds of a five-year prison sentence for manslaughter.

	Norfolk police continue their 24-hour vigil at Bleak Farm

Mr Martin, who had endured numerous break-ins at his home at Bleak House, Emneth Hungate in Norfolk, said he heard the two intruders and reached for his shotgun.

"I went over to the chair and got a handful of cartridges and loaded the gun. By this time I could feel my heart going boom, boom, boom," he told the Daily Mirror.

"My heart was racing. It was as though my whole body was about to explode - it was like a horror film."

At this point Barras and his accomplice, Fearon, shone a torch in his eyes and he began shooting, said Mr Martin.

"My finger was on the trigger and I fired. I was aware I had shot the gun. At the time I had no idea I had fired more than once."

Mr Martin, who regained his freedom on Monday after his release from Highpoint prison in Suffolk, said he regretted the death of Barras in August 1999 but had no feelings of remorse.

"I don't feel anything about anyone or anything," he said. "That might make me sound like a cold and callous man but I can't help that. I was forced to do what I did because of the circumstances of that night."

He believed the public had failed to appreciate the difficulty of his circumstances in rural Norfolk, where police were unable to prevent repeated break-ins.

"I can't believe how misunderstood I have been," he said. "I have a lot of supporters but there are a lot of people out there who think I am a madman who is only too happy to kill."

Mr Martin insisted he had no intention of killing Barras. "I did kill, but I certainly wasn't happy to do so. I was devastated when I discovered I had killed a boy.

"All I can say is that I didn't mean to do it. I didn't even know I had done it until much later." He added: "Nobody has the right to kill - even to suggest they have is crass and deplorable."

Mr Martin said he warned the police in May 1999 that if burglars broke in again, he would take drastic action. "After the second break-in, I rang the police and said, 'If they come back, I'll shoot them'. The reason I said this - and it was a dangerous thing to say - was because I hoped it would make them protect me; provoke a response, spur them on to do something."

Malcolm Starr, who led the campaign for Mr Martin's freedom, said the farmer was insisting on returning home.

"I spoke to him by telephone late last night," said Mr Starr. "He was in a very good mood. He was mainly concerned about seeing his dog and getting back to his farm."

Police were continuing to maintain a high profile presence outside Mr Martin's farm. "He finds it all very amusing and ironic," said Mr Starr. "He said to me, 'It seems I have got my own police force now.' "

Mr Martin had earlier described the move as "shutting the stable door after the horse had bolted".

Norfolk police defended their decision to site a mobile police station at the entrance to the remote farmhouse. Reports have been continuing to circulate that a £25,000 bounty has been put on Martin's head in revenge for his killing of Barras.

"We are making a proportionate response to the situation we are faced with. Given the situation and the report of threats against Mr Martin, it would be irresponsible if we did not do that," said a police spokesman.

	29 July 2003: Martin is free, but still he can't go home
	29 July 2003: Tabloid deal faces inquiry by press watchdog
	28 July 2003: Burglar shot by Martin to drop £15,000 claim
	27 July 2003: Tony Martin is 'going to get it', warns cousin of the boy he shot
	24 July 2003: Tony Martin 'to write book called My Right To Kill'
	6 July 2003: Tony Martin to get royal protection on leaving prison
	23 August 1999: Farmer held after man is shot dead

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2003/07/30/nmart30.xml&sSheet=/news/2003/07/30/ixnewstop.html

Government lawyers say burglars 'need protection'

http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/legal/story.jsp?story=403287

Government lawyers trying to keep the Norfolk farmer Tony Martin behind bars will tell a High Court judge tomorrow that burglars are members of the public who must be protected from violent householders.

The truth is coming out, the means of re-claiming ownership will eventually follow.

On February 10, 1987, Tennessee Department of Revenue Operations
Supervisor
Denise Rottero told Judge Geer how Tennessee's auto registration works.

The process begins with the "surrender" of the Manufacturer's Statement
of
Origin (MSO) by the auto dealer to the Department of Revenue in
exchange for
Certificate of Title. Asked if a MSO is proof of ownership -Legal title
-to
the automobile. Ms. Rottero said, "Yes"

"Are you telling me that the ownership of an automobile is NOT title;
it's
merely evidence that title exists. Your car's legal TITLE is the MSO,
which
the dealer surrendered to the state. Ms. Rottero said the MSO is put on
microfilm for permanent keeping, the original destroyed.

After the trial, spectators expressed shock that their personal
automobiles
were actually owned by the state. "No wonder state law officers stop
people
for no reason!" said a housewife. "If your car's got a Tennessee plate,
it's
theirs, and they can do anything they like to you." That's the law, but
it's
volutary, No one but Judge Greer has dared say that if you don't
surrender
your car to the state in exchange for plates, you go to jail.

Ed. Note : This is true not only for Tennessee, but for the other 49
states
as well. When purchasing a new automobile, the buyer is required to
sign
fine print which authorized the dealer to obtain plates and
registration for
the vehicle. Purchaser need only to read this fine print to see that by
doing this they are authorizing the dealer to act a power of attorney,
and
by doing so the prospective buyer is signing away his rights to that
vehicle. When buying a used vehicle, the title already has been signed
over
to the state.

-From The Investigative Reporter, October 1996

http://www.orgoneproducts.org

No civil matter can include arrest!!  All traffic tickets are CIVIL!!  Civil
matters CAN NOT be heard in a Court of Law but ONLY in a court of Equity.  A
good question to ask any pretender judge is:  "Is this a court of Law or a
court of Equity?"  If he say that it is a court of law then ask how can he
hear a civil matter?  They are not allowed to tell you that in 1933 the
venue's were combined and renamed "Statutory Jurisdiction" a Roman style
version of Admiralty Law!!

Billy-Joe..Mauldin



BERGEN RECORD
Hackensack, N.J.
Pg. 0-3, Opinion Section,
Sunday, June 22, 2003

"On Arresting Deadbeat Dads"

After reading "Deadbeat-parent sweep nets 717 arrests in New Jersey" (Page
A-1, June 15), I can't help wonder what happened to the Fourth
Amendment.  Arresting so-called "deadbeats", who in 98 percent of this
sweep happened to be men, involved unconstitutional debt-collection at the
point of a gun.  Under N.J. law, NJSA 2A:17-77(a), no female can be
arrested in a civil matter.  This creates an unconstitutional gender bias
in arrests for child support.

Under NJSA 40A:14-152 and -152.2, no law enforcement officer can involve
himself in arresting people in civil matters.

Since probable cause under the Fourth Amendment is needed to arrest someone
who has committed or is committing a crime, and child support is a civil
matter, how can one be arrested without probable cause since there's no
crime?

In Allen v. City of Portland and Paff v. Kaltenbach, the 9th and 3rd
Circuit U.S. Courts of Appeals, respectively, held there is no probable
cause to arrest in civil matters.  The state Supreme Court recently held
that probable cause to arrest can only be found in criminal matters.

Every sheriff's department and officer who took part in this statewide
sweep is liable for damages for false arrest, false imprisonment, assault,
kidnapping, and other causes.

Bruce Eden

The writer is director of the Fathers Rights Association of New Jersey, a
fathers' rights advocacy group.

----- Original Message -----

From: Billy-Joe..Mauldin

To: Undisclosed-Recipient:;

Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 10:14 AM

Subject: [tips_and_tricks] Arresting "Dead-Beat" Dads: How Can There Be an Arrest in a Civil Matter without a Crime and Without Probably Cause?

No civil matter can include arrest!!  All traffic tickets are CIVIL!!  Civil
matters CAN NOT be heard in a Court of Law but ONLY in a court of Equity.  A
good question to ask any pretender judge is:  "Is this a court of Law or a
court of Equity?"  If he say that it is a court of law then ask how can he
hear a civil matter?  They are not allowed to tell you that in 1933 the
venue's were combined and renamed "Statutory Jurisdiction" a Roman style
version of Admiralty Law!!

Billy-Joe..Mauldin

----- Original Message -----

From: Billy-Joe..Mauldin

To: Undisclosed-Recipient:;

Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 9:24 AM

Subject: [tips_and_tricks] THE STATE OWNS YOUR CAR

Does not this constitute FRAUD and Theft??

 

Billy-Joe..Mauldin

 

THE STATE OWNS YOUR CAR .

Road construction/maint. is generally fueled by gasoline taxes (combined
state and federal are currently about 42.9 cents per gallon, here in NC.)

Jamison



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You can buy and "own" all the cars you want. Keep them on your own property
if you don't like paying for public roads to drive them on. If you want to
drive them on public roads, of which I, as a member of the public, am part
owner, I want to know who you are, in case you damage me with your
property, and want you to pay your fair share of the taxes it takes to have
and maintain these roads.
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Billy-Joe..Mauldin
  To: Undisclosed-Recipient:;
  Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 9:24 AM
  Subject: [tips_and_tricks] THE STATE OWNS YOUR CAR

  Does not this constitute FRAUD and Theft??

  Billy-Joe..Mauldin

  THE STATE OWNS YOUR CAR .

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----- Original Message -----

From: Ed

To: tips_and_tricks@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 1:08 PM

Subject: [tips_and_tricks] Re: THE STATE OWNS YOUR CAR

You can buy and "own" all the cars you want. Keep them on your own property if you don't like paying for public roads to drive them on. If you want to drive them on public roads, of which I, as a member of the public, am part owner, I want to know who you are, in case you damage me with your property, and want you to pay your fair share of the taxes it takes to have and maintain these roads.

-----Original Message-----
From: Ed [mailto:ED44@...]
Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 3:09 PM
To: tips_and_tricks@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [tips_and_tricks] Re: THE STATE OWNS YOUR CAR

You can buy and "own" all the cars you want. Keep them on your own property if you don't like paying for public roads to drive them on. If you want to drive them on public roads, of which I, as a member of the public, am part owner, I want to know who you are, in case you damage me with your property, and want you to pay your fair share of the taxes it takes to have and maintain these roads.

----- Original Message -----

From: Billy-Joe..Mauldin

To: Undisclosed-Recipient:;

Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 9:24 AM

Subject: [tips_and_tricks] THE STATE OWNS YOUR CAR

Does not this constitute FRAUD and Theft??

 

Billy-Joe..Mauldin

 

THE STATE OWNS YOUR CAR .

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----- Original Message -----

From: Ed

To: CCCC-USA@yahoogroups.com ; ed44@yahoogroups.com ; tips_and_tricks@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 3:01 PM

Subject: [tips_and_tricks] What is a "Civil" matter? the LAW is our King - Any objections?

Do not take offense but I must dispute your assertions in the hope you will elaborate on the distinction between a "Court of Law" and a "Court of Equity".

 

It is my understanding that we [America] established a "Nation under the Rule of Law". The only place for "equity" is in that all individual human persons are "Equal" [subjects] under the Law. To free ourselves from arbitrary and capricious subjugation (a form of enslavement) under a King and his Noble ruling class where all were "Subjects of the King" we chose to be "Subjects of the Law", beginning with the Constitution and Acts of Congress (to the extent consistent with the limitations of the Constitution), the law is "the King" or "collective soveriegn". It is by this means we secure the "individual soveriegnty", as the ultimate and only true soveriegnty, that the Constitution is designed (however flawed) to protect. I will admit that amendments are needed because the current model is, at present, failing but the concept of "Americanism" remains valid.

 

Americanism is "equitable" as the Law is blind to all that may prejudice any other or collective of others against us. That said - I do believe you are correct in that "civil matters" are not matters where a person may be subject to arrest. But I define "civil matters" as disputes between private parties or between and individual and an artificial entity - artificial entities include government. However; penal codes are distinct from civil or should be. These are "administrative" matters providing the administrator is acting within their lawful jurisdiction of LIMITED authority delegated by the Constitution.

 

Ed
www.informed.org
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ed44/  Join our Experiment in OpenLaw

----- Original Message -----

From: Billy-Joe..Mauldin

To: Undisclosed-Recipient:;

Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 10:14 AM

Subject: [tips_and_tricks] Arresting "Dead-Beat" Dads: How Can There Be an Arrest in a Civil Matter without a Crime and Without Probably Cause?

No civil matter can include arrest!!  All traffic tickets are CIVIL!!  Civil
matters CAN NOT be heard in a Court of Law but ONLY in a court of Equity.  A
good question to ask any pretender judge is:  "Is this a court of Law or a
court of Equity?"  If he say that it is a court of law then ask how can he
hear a civil matter?  They are not allowed to tell you that in 1933 the
venue's were combined and renamed "Statutory Jurisdiction" a Roman style
version of Admiralty Law!!

Billy-Joe..Mauldin

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----- Original Message -----

From: Billy-Joe..Mauldin

To: Undisclosed-Recipient:;

Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 9:24 AM

Subject: [tips_and_tricks] THE STATE OWNS YOUR CAR

Does not this constitute FRAUD and Theft??

 

Billy-Joe..Mauldin

 

THE STATE OWNS YOUR CAR .

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Right on, Utlage, with the gas taxes.

In Colorado, the gestapo will tow "your" car
right off "your" property if you don't have
current tags/stickers on it. I'll bet it is
the same where Ed is.  Ownership? Dream on.

Dick Corner.
--- Utlage <Utlage@...> wrote:
> THE STATE OWNS YOUR CARWe pay for road maintenance with gas
> taxes and that is all that is necessary.  As far as damaging
> you is concerned, you will know it if you have been damaged
> and can get all the info you want at that time.  Why should
> there be a data base "just in case" you and I bump into one
> another at some time in the future which may never happen???
>
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: Ed
>   To: tips_and_tricks@yahoogroups.com
>   Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 1:08 PM
>   Subject: [tips_and_tricks] Re: THE STATE OWNS YOUR CAR
>
>
>   You can buy and "own" all the cars you want. Keep them on
> your own property if you don't like paying for public roads to
> drive them on. If you want to drive them on public roads, of
> which I, as a member of the public, am part owner, I want to
> know who you are, in case you damage me with your property,
> and want you to pay your fair share of the taxes it takes to
> have and maintain these roads.
>


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Hi everyone

I think I've got it--mostly.

If I don't use the road or the motorized conveyance commercially, (and I
thought to make sure no other equity strings tied the conveyance to the
bank and/or the State),

then

the conveyance is not a vehicle and needs no license, and no insurance.
Further, the person manipulating the controls needs to state-issued permit.

Now the question:

A state-issued drivers license adheres to a single person.  If I should
*ever* transport goods or passengers for commercial purposes, then I need a
DL to do that.  But the license adheres forever.  And they use it to
presume jurisdiction over some other time or other conveyance for which
they might not actually have jurisdition.  Some states have even gone so
far as to claim that an expired license is proof of jurisdictin.

So ... is there any way around this personal licensing issue other than
both cleaning revoking, and then hiring someone to transport goods ro
passengers for you when you must use the public right of way in commerce?


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Richard Johnson                                          richard@...
Cuis custodiet ipsos custodes?     Cui bono?
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Tyranny in our Justice System

No need for a time machine folks, no longer do we
need to visit places like  Boston or Philadelphia
to get a sense of what our Founders were faced
with in  the 18th century, forget about the
Library or the Internet, all you need to  do is
visit your nearest courtroom! If you want a really
good history lesson  read below to find out what
happened to Dr. Steve Roebuck in an Federal
District Courtroom located in Elizabeth City,
North Carolina.  Its time that we either abolish
the form of Government we have or suffer the
Consequences. What happened to Dr. Roebuck could
happen to any one of us.  The type of behavior
exhibited by Judge Terrance Boyle is exactly what
led this  nation to war and this too is a call to
action! There are many other  atrocities being
inflicted on the people of this great nation by
every branch of  Government, the very people who
are supposed to control government are being
controlled. At some point in time the line must be
drawn in the sand. I say  enough is enough, the
line must be drawn here! Our goal is to add new
words to  the government's vocabulary like
accountability , personal responsibility and
consequences. They must fear us once again or
there will be no stopping them.  There is a second
front to the war on terrorism and it starts right
here in  America. Our Judicial System must be
restored to the fair and unbiased system  it once
was.

Related Information
http://www.libertyrestoration.org/JUDGE.pdf People
v. Heiman What should happen when trial court is
biased against defendent.
http://www.libertyrestoration.org/assessors.html
Who determines our tax liability?
http://www.libertyrestoration.org/certified.html
The importance of an certified assessed tax.

Dr. Roebucks Courtroom experience  Dr. Steve
Roebuck, a brave an honest man, has taken a stand
for his children  as well as each and every one of
us.  Agents wearing bulletproof vests and side
arms picked him up recently while  working at his
dental office. He is being held in downtown
Raleigh (Dr. Steve  Roebuck, P.O. Box 2419,
Raleigh NC 27602) Wake County Jail without bail
for  willful failure to file an income tax return
and is unfit to walk the streets  of town,
according to Judge Terrance Boyle.  Dr. Roebuck
has lived in Raleigh for about 20 years and has
never been in or  caused any trouble. He has a
successful dentistry business, having helped
thousands of patients, and is well-known
throughout the community and by his  friends as a
Christian man. Never in a million years would
anyone that knows  him suggest that he is a threat
to society and ask that he be incarcerated!
Unfortunately, that is exactly what happened,
based solely on the decision of  Judge Terrence
Boyle and attorney Rob Aldrich's decision to serve
his own best  interest instead of his clients!  As
an Independent thinker, Steve Roebuck took his
questions about the income  tax and its legality
to the local law libraries. For the last 8 years,
he  has diligently researched the law that makes
him liable to pay the voluntary  income tax. As
with anyone else that has done any serious
research into the  matter, Dr. Roebuck could find
no such law.  Dr. Roebuck was indicted on two
counts of willful failure to file and hired
attorneys Sam Currin and lead attorney Rob
Aldrich. Prior to the case, both  attorneys seemed
to be more worried about not upsetting the judge
than they  were about defending their client.  Dr.
Roebuck appeared in court on the morning of
September 4th 2001 and  entered a plea of not
guilty. Judge Boyle let the prosecuting attorney
speak, but  when it came to the defense, it was
another story. When the defense attorney  spoke,
Judge Boyle interrupted him three times in a
confrontational manner  distracting the defense
attorney's train of thought. The defense attorney,
 tired of the distractions, closed his opening
statements, not wanting to deal  with it anymore.
On September 5th, after a short recess, Rob
aldrich was informed that the  Judge was back and
asked Dr. Roebuck to return to the courtroom. When
they  arrived they were shocked to find only U.S.
Marshals Strategically placed at each  entrance
along with a Special agent and the Prosecuting
Attorney. What  followed next, and in secret,
should outrage anyone who believes in due process
of  law.  For the next few minutes, Dr. Roebuck
stood there in utter disbelief as the  judge
started to accuse him of being a member of "a
white supremacist group  and a threat to society".
Judge Boyle left him with only two decisions,
plead  guilty or be placed in jail immediately!
One of his attorneys, Rob Aldrich,  didn't help
the matter either. After being threatened with the
possibility of  being disbarred, Attorney Rob
Aldrich decided it was in his best interest to
advise his client to plead guilty. Conveniently,
Sam Curran couldn't remember  anything that took
place in the courtroom on Sept 5th. Rob Aldrich
refused  to fill out an affidavit desribing the
events that took place, he was still  concerned
about upsetting the Judge and informed Dr Roebuck
that it would not  do him any good!  President
George W. Bush nominated the (dishonorable)
Terrence W. Boyle to  the U.S. Court of appeals
for the Fourth Circuit on May 9, 2001. Boyle has
been a U.S. District Judge for the Eastern
District of North Carolina since  1984. He is
currently the Chief Judge on that Court. Judge
Boyle has a  disgracefull history of implementing
a "draconian" rule of law on American Citizens. He
 cannot be trusted and should not continue in a
position that requires trust!  This is a call to
action against the tyranny that so frequently
enters the  courtroom like the one above. Judges
like Terrance Boyle need to be held  accountable
for their actions or this type of behavior will
continue. With your  help, this judge can be
stopped in his tracks and his career tarnished,
sending  a message to other judges all across the
nation. The message is this:  American Citizens
will no longer tolerate this type of behavior and
we demand a  fair and unbiased trial as our
Founding Fathers intended, not on the will of one
man alone and in secret!  I encourage everyone who
reads this and believes Dr. Roebuck has become a
victim of an unfair and corrupt judge to make it
known to others. We really  need for people to
immediately contact their Senators and
Representatives and  make them aware of this
situation. It will also help if the media is able
to  get involved with this too! The more people
that are aware of Dr. Roebucks  situation, the
better chance he has of getting a fair RETRIAL.
Nothing I can write will help you to understand
the atrocities that took  place on September 5th
2001 in Raleigh. A more detailed explanation of
those  events can be found in Dr. Roebucks Writ of
Habeas Corpus
http://www.libertyrestoration.org/roebuck.pdf
Mike Scherback
http://www.libertyrestoration.org/">Liberty
Restoration Project

Ed wrote:


> You can buy and "own" all the cars you want. Keep them on your own
> property if you don't like paying for public roads to drive them on.


You don't pay, Ed, you just discharge a debt.  There's a
difference.  People who do like we do, travelling as a
matter of right, almost make a hobby out of picking on
differences in the meanings of words.  See, our wheels roll
forward, and we step on accelerator pedals, but we still
aren't driving.  We're doing something else, something
drivers cannot do (go downtown without a drivers license).


> If you want to drive them on public roads


Roads existed before the state, and will exist after the
state finally collapses.  "Public" refers to that belonging
to the state.  You may belong to it, per your choice, but
the roads are merely "open to the public".  You are not a
part owner of any road I will use.

> of which I, as a member of the
> public, am part owner, I want to know who you are, in case you damage me
> with your property


I travel incognito.  I do not carry identification papers
because I know who I am.  If I damage you, you will get to
know who I am because I am responsible.

> and want you to pay your fair share of the taxes it
> takes to have and maintain these roads.


That's all taken care of at the gas pump.

And you don't need taxes to maintain roads - not in a
country where the people don't know money from debt and
everything gets done on unfulfillable promises.  Ever hear
of "the deficit"?  How about the "national debt"?  Are you
one of those people who think you can wipe out a debt with
more debt?  No, debt is only extinguished by "payment".
Passing the debt on, what you do, is merely "discharge".

In a phony system where debt (negative number) is used as if
it were money (positive number) when a debt is "paid"
instead of being passed on to another ("discharged") the
number of units (FRNS, "dollars" (sic)) is diminished, so if
all debts were to be "Paid", there would be no more phony
money.

So you are an Attorney? I travel as "a matter of right" without a license.
But I do carry my license when I "drive" on public roads - not required on
private roads. I can even travel over the borders into another country
without a passport. It's not my government that prevents it, nor would I let
them, but the people in other nations that feel I might be a security
threat. If you have some magical power with the enforcers, can tangle them
up with your word games, pay off a judge, or in some way think you have, and
can convince them you have, a "Title of Nobility", go for it.

I, presonally, respect the Law as long as it is enforced equally. My
interest is not in equal enforcement against the Human Person and/or Citizen
on an individual basis. I don't have time for that and don't get paid for
it. So please feel free to share with me your successes. My interest is in
equal enforcement against public servants (bureacrats, police, judges,
etc.). That is to hold them accountable to the Law. Also Attorneys because
they are, by their license to "practice" law, quasi-public servants. Of
course, if you are not "licensed" you are free to give your opinions to any
who want to listen and they are free to give you a donation in exchange.

Thank you for sharing your opinions. I truly do appreciate it even if I may
disagree. I enjoy word games for entertainment purposes. It is my hobby as
well.

Ed
www.informed.org
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From: "Frog Farmer" <frogfrmr@...>
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Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2003 1:50 AM
Subject: Re: [tips_and_tricks] Re: THE STATE OWNS YOUR CAR


> Ed wrote:

> .  People who do like we do, travelling as a
> matter of right, almost make a hobby out of picking on
> differences in the meanings of words.

Ed wrote:

> So you are an Attorney?


No, just an avid reader, and a frog farmer.

> I travel as "a matter of right" without a license.


Good for you!


> But I do carry my license when I "drive" on public roads - not required on
> private roads.


So, are you an "operator", or a "chauffeur"?

> I can even travel over the borders into another country
> without a passport.


Me too.  Why do most people think it requires a passport?
Maybe for the same reason people assume everyone needs a
drivers license.

> It's not my government that prevents it, nor would I let
> them, but the people in other nations that feel I might be a security
> threat.


What do you do about people in this country who might feel
you are a security threat?  Nobody has prevented me from
traveling without a passport, either here or in other
countries.  I don't really care what people "feel" about me,
especially if they don't even know me.

> If you have some magical power with the enforcers,


Enforcers of what?  Or do you mean "wise guys" like are
portrayed on The Sopranos TV show?

> can tangle them
> up with your word games,


Called English and its rules of grammar?

> pay off a judge


Can't find any of those for years now.  The last one I met I
caught committing a felony and had him investigated.

> or in some way think you have, and
> can convince them you have, a "Title of Nobility", go for it.


No, I'm against those Titles of Nobility.  The whole concept
is a crock if you ask me.

> I, presonally, respect the Law as long as it is enforced equally.


Ever hear of the concept of "lawful status"?  The same law
can treat persons of different status differently.

> My
> interest is not in equal enforcement against the Human Person and/or Citizen
> on an individual basis. I don't have time for that and don't get paid for
> it.


What do you have time and get paid for?

> So please feel free to share with me your successes.


I've been living free for over 20 years now, since I learned
about the concept. I've won all the cases I've had (8).

> My interest is in
> equal enforcement against public servants (bureacrats, police, judges,
> etc.)


Where are you that you can still find these?  All the ones I
think I find later prove to be impersonators.  Impersonation
of an officer where I live is a felony.

> That is to hold them accountable to the Law.


I let them off with a stern warning, since there's nobody
left to prosecute them for me and I don't have the time to
fuss with it.

> Also Attorneys because

> they are, by their license to "practice" law, quasi-public servants.


I wish things here were like things wherever you are - here
the people calling themselves attorneys don't have the
license that the local law requires.

> Of
> course, if you are not "licensed" you are free to give your opinions to any
> who want to listen and they are free to give you a donation in exchange.


A donation in exchange?  That's sounds like a contradiction
to me.  Isn't a donation something given without an
exchange?  I appreciate all donations, which are few and far
between.  And I rarely share my opinions.

> Thank you for sharing your opinions.


Such as which one?

> I truly do appreciate it even if I may
> disagree. I enjoy word games for entertainment purposes. It is my hobby as
> well.


Then I may assume that you use words as they suit you, and
if you get the results you want, all is well.

I used to question the use of certain words, and spent years
in court, after arranging to get myself prosecuted (the
cheapest easiest way to get there).  I never was convicted,
except once where they said I was, but later said the
charges were dismissed after I filed an appeal to a higher
court.  The higher court never did get to hear the appeal,
since at the last moment, the "charges" were "dismissed".
Have you ever heard of charges being dismissed by the lower
court AFTER the same court said someone was convicted?  That
still baffles me.

Of course, that was back before I knew about the "sham
proceedings" that are locally put on for the "true
believers" who cling to the belief that things are "as seen
on TV".  For all I know, at the time the neighbors who were
having fun with me were not public servants, as I discovered
to my surprise years later.  I've been trying to determine
when things changed, from having real public servants to
having public pretenders, and as of now (here's an opinion
for you) it was around the time of the War of Northern
Aggression.

Oh, BTW, I don't use words to be "above the law" - I use
them to be above the will of the servants of corporations.

Thanks for trying to understand.

FF

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From: Robert Riggins

To: tips_and_tricks@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2003 10:27 AM

Subject: Re: [tips_and_tricks] Re: THE STATE OWNS YOUR CAR

ALL THE TAXES YOU PAY AT THE "PUMP" PAY FOR HIGHWAY MAINATENCE, DON'T YOU KNOW!  IDENTIFICATION ID ALL YOU NEED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!   -------Original Message-------   From: tips_and_tricks@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 09:03:33 PM To: tips_and_tricks@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [tips_and_tricks] Re: THE STATE OWNS YOUR CAR   All that is required for a person to use the public right-of-ways, is some form of unique identifier. Say a "plate" with a unique number that is kept on file that stays with them for life.

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Dick. wrote:

> Right on, Utlage, with the gas taxes.
>
> In Colorado, the gestapo will tow "your" car
> right off "your" property if you don't have
> current tags/stickers on it. I'll bet it is
> the same where Ed is.  Ownership? Dream on.


In California, after I won three cases against me for
"driving without license, registration or insurance" I
received a notice that someone was coming to tow my car off
my property.  In the fine print in hard-to-see color on the
back of the notice I received, there was a provision for me
to request an administrative hearing.  As luck would have
it, our local study group had just taken a course on
administrative hearings, and I was anxious to apply my new
knowledge.  I spent a few nights preparing, and then took a
number of friends to be witnesses.  They had originally said
that my hearing would be allowed to take an hour.  It lasted
four hours that first day.  I didn't understand that too
well, since the first thing I did was put the DMV's "expert
witness on the code" onto the stand and through my
questioning and her answers, showed that she was unqualified
to be present.  The administrative law judge dismissed her,
and then there was nobody to testify against me, so I used
my witnesses to create record, and then the adminsitrative
law judge said that he wanted me to quit offering proof that
I didn't need a license, and that he would recommend to the
DMV that they dismiss their action against me.  I declined
the kind offer, because I still had a lot of evidence, and
didn't want to leave anything to chance.  We scheduled
another day.  I went back and they still had nobody
qualified to oppose me, so for the administrator, I
proceeded to diagram my defense on a big chalkboard, and
invited him to speak up if he should notice anywhere where I
was mistaken.  He admitted that he had learned a lot about
the law in my hearing, and wanted to know where I learned
it, and I said I just read a lot.  I left with the following
facts a mater of record in the California DMV:

1. I was not an operator or chauffeur.
2. My car was not "a vehicle required to be licensed".
3. The DMV had no lawful grounds to come and tow my car away.

That was the last I heard from them, and that was 1983.
In another proceeding about that time, after I submitted
about 20 reasons why I could not be required to have a
license, a lower court judge told me that if the law were to
be changed so that I DID need to obtain a license,
registration or insurance, I would personally be notified.
I never have been notified since that day.

Maybe in Colorado there is some hard-to-see fine print on
the back of the tickets used there.  It may be worth looking
for, with a magnifying glass.

Will the gentleman that sent me the info. on Walt Makin please send
it again.  I thought I had place in my forum, but I cannot find it.

Bo

It's Walt Maken
http://www.angelfire.com/oh4/befree/


Shane Vincent

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Will the gentleman that sent me the info. on Walt Makin please send
it again.  I thought I had place in my forum, but I cannot find it.

Bo




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I just received a Civil Summons from one of my creditors CitiBank. I
have 30 days in which to respond.

They want me to serve a copy of my written answer to the complaint.
So what do I tell them, how do I reply? (I would like to tell them to
go to Hell).

I don't have anything left of value, so them sueing me would be
senseless. Most of the bloodsuckers have already cleaned me out.

Once again, any and all help will be greatly appreciated.

Dave