--- In tt-watch@yahoogroups.com, "istari1357" <istari@...> wrote:
>
> --- In tt-watch@yahoogroups.com, "DaveW" <d_wilk@> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In tt-watch@yahoogroups.com, "istari1357" <istari@> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In tt-watch@yahoogroups.com, "DaveW" <d_wilk@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In tt-watch@yahoogroups.com, "istari1357" <istari@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In tt-watch@yahoogroups.com, "DaveW" <d_wilk@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In tt-watch@yahoogroups.com, "istari1357" <istari@> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In tt-watch@yahoogroups.com, "DaveW" <d_wilk@> wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --- In tt-watch@yahoogroups.com, "DaveW" <d_wilk@> wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > --- In tt-watch@yahoogroups.com, Prophecykeepers Foundation
<prophecykeepersdotcom@> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Well, I guess you are a fan of Mikey, who constantly puts
everyone he doesn't like down
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > If any of you think this is "debate" you have NEVER actually
been a debater.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > .. and Jesus called one woman a dog, so you know little of
the bible like most folks.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I never claimed an extensive knowledge of the bible, in fact I
admit it's pretty much at a sunday school level. Nor do I claim to be any type
of debater. I'm just asking some questions, which I notice you are evading.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Though I don't claim great knowledge of the bible, I can look
stuff up:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Matthew 15:22-28:
> > > > > > > > A Canaanite woman from that vicinity came to him, crying out,
"Lord, Son of David, have mercy on me! My daughter is suffering terribly from
demon-possession." Jesus did not answer a word. So his disciples came to him and
urged him, "Send her away, for she keeps crying out after us." He answered, "I
was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel." The woman came and knelt before him.
"Lord, help me!" she said. He replied, "It is not right to take the children's
bread and toss it to their dogs." "Yes, Lord," she said, "but even the dogs eat
the crumbs that fall from their masters' table." Then Jesus answered, "Woman,
you have great faith! Your request is granted." And her daughter was healed from
that very hour.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Seems to me he was not actually calling her a dog, but rather
making an allusion, as he was wont to do. If you want to take it more literally,
it seems he was calling all non-Jews dogs.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The lost sheep of Israel; the 12 tribes. The Jews are only two or
Three of the twelve tribes of Israel; the tribes of Judah, Benjamin and Dan.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The other 10 tribes of Israel (non-Jews) are "lost" because the
Northern Kingdom of Israel was taken into captivity because they warred with the
Southern Kingdom of Judah. What is more, Jesus believed the Judaism of the time
was not Mosaic Law, but Mosaic Law interpreted wrongly by the Jewish scholars,
scribes and Levi Priests (Rabbis) when exiled in Babylon... hence the vitriol He
aimed at the Pharisees and Sadducees (rabbis) at the time. He believed they had
turned Mosaic Law/Torah Law upside down.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The term "the Jews" has come to indicate all the supposed
descendants of Jacob (Israel) in common parlance. It was in this context I used
the term.
> > > > >
> > > > > True. All I am pointing out is that this "common parlance" is
historically inaccurate and wrong. The vast majority of the descendants of the
Patriarch Jacob (Israel) are "unknown" - and do not practice Judaism.
> > > > >
> > > > > Jesus came for the "lost sheep"; the missing tribes and their
descendants who were not Jews.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Historically inaccurate and wrong only if you accept the bible as a
valid source. There is no independent verification of it as such. Many
historians doubt the existence of people such as Jacob and his sons, or even of
David and Solomon, since there is no archeological or other supporting evidence
for them.
> > >
> > > Well, many archeologists would disagree about the archeological evidence
in Israel. Secular scholars doubt many things about the Bible; when it was
written and by whom and for what purpose etc..., but since the 19th century,
evidence has been found of cities mentioned in the Bible.
> >
> >
> > It is a very different thing to find remnants of cities than to find
evidence of actual personages. For instance, the existence of Nottingham does
not prove the existence of the historical Robin Hood.
>
> I'm quite familiar with Nottingham and I am yet to discover Robin Hood in
Nottingham Forest, although he does have a statue in the city photographed many
times a year by enthusiasts... bow, arrow and a proud stare looking down at them
from his pedestal.
>
> I guess what I am claiming is that more and more evidence will be discovered
to prove these actual personages existed. I am not up on all the archeological
evidence of Israel, but my understanding (reading Christian blogs) is that much
recently has been discovered in the way of proof.


Possibly, but the "Holy Land" has been as picked over relics and "evidence" for
centuries. Biblical apologists have tried to make much of such things for years,
unconvincingly, in my opinion. Modern archeological techniques or just
serendipidy may yet reveal biblical treasures, but until that happens...


> The High Priest Caiaphas, head of the Sanhedrin, that plotted to kill Jesus
for example. Apparently his ring has been found.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caiaphas
>

I believe it entirely possible that Caiaphas existed and that he may have
participated the suppression of an itenerant rabbi whose Hellenized name was
"Jesus." But if you expect me to believe that anyone was born of a virgin,
walked on water, raised the dead, returned from the dead himself, etc., I'll
need some pretty good evidence.

--- In tt-watch@yahoogroups.com, Prophecykeepers Foundation
<prophecykeepersdotcom@...> wrote:
>
> Istari,
>
> Don't pay attention to Michael. He fancies himself a skeptic and is just here
to "dis." He wasn't raised properly so we'll give him a pass.
>
>
> If this were The Spanish Inquisition, he would likely be Torquemada.
>

But I doubt he would claim to be a prophet.

-----Original Message-----
From: tt-watch@yahoogroups.com [mailto:tt-watch@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of DaveW
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 2:33 PM
To: tt-watch@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [tt-watch] Re: 300,000 YEARS AGO GENETICISTS FROM PLANET NIBIRU
MIXED THEIR GENES WITH ERECTUS'



--- In tt-watch@yahoogroups.com, Prophecykeepers Foundation
<prophecykeepersdotcom@...> wrote:
>>
>> Istari,
>>
>> Don't pay attention to Michael. He fancies himself a skeptic and is just
here to "dis." He wasn't raised properly so we'll give him a pass.
>>
>>
>> If this were The Spanish Inquisition, he would likely be Torquemada.
>>
>But I doubt he would claim to be a prophet.

If I were... I wouldn't tell anyone. I'd be silently getting rich from my
knowledge... not nickel and dime people to death over unproven claims.

Michael L Cunningham

God doesn't give the gift of prophecy for people to get rich from it.


As I said, your upbringing fell short Michael.


What you said shows how selfish you are. You care for no one but yourself an
calling attention to yourself.


My dad was 10 times the scientist you are, but still had spirituality. So did
Einstein.


Selfishness (lack of charity) is why Sodom and Gomorrah was destroyed.






________________________________
  From: Michael L Cunningham <bogeystar@...>
To: tt-watch@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 5:10 PM
Subject: RE: [tt-watch] Re: 300,000 YEARS AGO GENETICISTS FROM PLANET NIBIRU
MIXED THEIR GENES WITH ERECTUS'


 
-----Original Message-----
From: tt-watch@yahoogroups.com [mailto:tt-watch@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of DaveW
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 2:33 PM
To: tt-watch@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [tt-watch] Re: 300,000 YEARS AGO GENETICISTS FROM PLANET NIBIRU
MIXED THEIR GENES WITH ERECTUS'

--- In tt-watch@yahoogroups.com, Prophecykeepers Foundation
<prophecykeepersdotcom@...> wrote:
>>
>> Istari,
>>
>> Don't pay attention to Michael. He fancies himself a skeptic and is just
here to "dis." He wasn't raised properly so we'll give him a pass.
>>
>>
>> If this were The Spanish Inquisition, he would likely be Torquemada.
>>
>But I doubt he would claim to be a prophet.

If I were... I wouldn't tell anyone. I'd be silently getting rich from my
knowledge... not nickel and dime people to death over unproven claims.

Michael L Cunningham




[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

--- In tt-watch@yahoogroups.com, Prophecykeepers Foundation
<prophecykeepersdotcom@...> wrote:
>
> God doesn't give the gift of prophecy for people to get rich from it.
>
>
> As I said, your upbringing fell short Michael.
>
>
> What you said shows how selfish you are. You care for no one but yourself an
calling attention to yourself.
>
>
> My dad was 10 times the scientist you are, but still had spirituality. So did
Einstein.
>
>
> Selfishness (lack of charity) is why Sodom and Gomorrah was destroyed.
>

Umm, pretty sure he was joking.

-----Original Message-----
From: tt-watch@yahoogroups.com [mailto:tt-watch@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Prophecykeepers Foundation
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 3:21 PM
To: tt-watch@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [tt-watch] Re: 300,000 YEARS AGO GENETICISTS FROM PLANET NIBIRU
MIXED THEIR GENES WITH ERECTUS'

>God doesn't give the gift of prophecy for people to get rich from it.
>
>As I said, your upbringing fell short Michael.
>
>What you said shows how selfish you are. You care for no one but yourself an
calling attention to yourself.
>
>My dad was 10 times the scientist you are, but still had spirituality. So did
Einstein.
>
>Selfishness (lack of charity) is why Sodom and Gomorrah was destroyed.

You just keep getting funnier and funnier...

So now you judge people too based upon what they post on line without benefit of
ever meeting them?

You truly ARE a godly person... in your own mind.

Do you realize how stupid you look right now?

Michael L Cunningham

-----Original Message-----
From: tt-watch@yahoogroups.com [mailto:tt-watch@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of DaveW
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 6:13 PM
To: tt-watch@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [tt-watch] Re: 300,000 YEARS AGO GENETICISTS FROM PLANET NIBIRU
MIXED THEIR GENES WITH ERECTUS'



--- In tt-watch@yahoogroups.com, Prophecykeepers Foundation
<prophecykeepersdotcom@...> wrote:
>
> God doesn't give the gift of prophecy for people to get rich from it.
>
>
> As I said, your upbringing fell short Michael.
>
>
> What you said shows how selfish you are. You care for no one but yourself
an calling attention to yourself.
>
>
> My dad was 10 times the scientist you are, but still had spirituality. So
did Einstein.
>
>
> Selfishness (lack of charity) is why Sodom and Gomorrah was destroyed.
>

>Umm, pretty sure he was joking.

Baiting him is like shooting fish in a barrel.

Michael L Cunningham

--- In tt-watch@yahoogroups.com, "Michael L Cunningham" <bogeystar@...> wrote:
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tt-watch@yahoogroups.com [mailto:tt-watch@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
> Of DaveW
> Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 6:13 PM
> To: tt-watch@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [tt-watch] Re: 300,000 YEARS AGO GENETICISTS FROM PLANET NIBIRU
> MIXED THEIR GENES WITH ERECTUS'
>
>
>
> --- In tt-watch@yahoogroups.com, Prophecykeepers Foundation
> <prophecykeepersdotcom@> wrote:
> >
> > God doesn't give the gift of prophecy for people to get rich from it.
> >
> >
> > As I said, your upbringing fell short Michael.
> >
> >
> > What you said shows how selfish you are. You care for no one but yourself
> an calling attention to yourself.
> >
> >
> > My dad was 10 times the scientist you are, but still had spirituality. So
> did Einstein.
> >
> >
> > Selfishness (lack of charity) is why Sodom and Gomorrah was destroyed.
> >
>
> >Umm, pretty sure he was joking.
>
> Baiting him is like shooting fish in a barrel.
>
> Michael L Cunningham
>

Perhaps, however, there is a point where it goes from humorous to just sad. When
someone so obviously "has issues" it becomes rather like sabotaging the brakes
on a wheelchair.
I say this not to censure, merely to suggest..

-----Original Message-----
From: tt-watch@yahoogroups.com [mailto:tt-watch@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of DaveW
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 11:12 AM
To: tt-watch@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [tt-watch] Re: 300,000 YEARS AGO GENETICISTS FROM PLANET NIBIRU
MIXED THEIR GENES WITH ERECTUS'

>> Baiting him is like shooting fish in a barrel.
>>
>> Michael L Cunningham

>Perhaps, however, there is a point where it goes from humorous to just sad.
When someone so obviously "has issues" it becomes rather like sabotaging the
brakes on a >wheelchair.
>I say this not to censure, merely to suggest..

Yeah I know...

Sometimes it's best to bait and goad him into a negative response just so
the readers can perceive how pathetic he really is.

Michael L Cunningham

--- In tt-watch@yahoogroups.com, "DaveW" <d_wilk@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> --- In tt-watch@yahoogroups.com, "Michael L Cunningham" <bogeystar@> wrote:
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: tt-watch@yahoogroups.com [mailto:tt-watch@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
> > Of DaveW
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 6:13 PM
> > To: tt-watch@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [tt-watch] Re: 300,000 YEARS AGO GENETICISTS FROM PLANET NIBIRU
> > MIXED THEIR GENES WITH ERECTUS'
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In tt-watch@yahoogroups.com, Prophecykeepers Foundation
> > <prophecykeepersdotcom@> wrote:
> > >
> > > God doesn't give the gift of prophecy for people to get rich from it.
> > >
> > >
> > > As I said, your upbringing fell short Michael.
> > >
> > >
> > > What you said shows how selfish you are. You care for no one but yourself
> > an calling attention to yourself.
> > >
> > >
> > > My dad was 10 times the scientist you are, but still had spirituality. So
> > did Einstein.
> > >
> > >
> > > Selfishness (lack of charity) is why Sodom and Gomorrah was destroyed.
> > >
> >
> > >Umm, pretty sure he was joking.
> >
> > Baiting him is like shooting fish in a barrel.
> >
> > Michael L Cunningham
> >
>
> Perhaps, however, there is a point where it goes from humorous to just sad.
When someone so obviously "has issues" it becomes rather like sabotaging the
brakes on a wheelchair.
> I say this not to censure, merely to suggest..

LOL! I know I shouldn't find that funny but it made me laugh... "sabotaging the
brakes on a wheelchair"... even Michael wouldn't be that cruel... even if he
does shoot fish in a barrel!

--- In tt-watch@yahoogroups.com, "DaveW" <d_wilk@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> --- In tt-watch@yahoogroups.com, "istari1357" <istari@> wrote:
> >
> > --- In tt-watch@yahoogroups.com, "DaveW" <d_wilk@> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In tt-watch@yahoogroups.com, "istari1357" <istari@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In tt-watch@yahoogroups.com, "DaveW" <d_wilk@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In tt-watch@yahoogroups.com, "istari1357" <istari@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In tt-watch@yahoogroups.com, "DaveW" <d_wilk@> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In tt-watch@yahoogroups.com, "istari1357" <istari@> wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --- In tt-watch@yahoogroups.com, "DaveW" <d_wilk@> wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > --- In tt-watch@yahoogroups.com, "DaveW" <d_wilk@> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > --- In tt-watch@yahoogroups.com, Prophecykeepers Foundation
<prophecykeepersdotcom@> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Well, I guess you are a fan of Mikey, who constantly puts
everyone he doesn't like down
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > If any of you think this is "debate" you have NEVER
actually been a debater.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > .. and Jesus called one woman a dog, so you know little of
the bible like most folks.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > I never claimed an extensive knowledge of the bible, in fact
I admit it's pretty much at a sunday school level. Nor do I claim to be any type
of debater. I'm just asking some questions, which I notice you are evading.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Though I don't claim great knowledge of the bible, I can look
stuff up:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Matthew 15:22-28:
> > > > > > > > > A Canaanite woman from that vicinity came to him, crying out,
"Lord, Son of David, have mercy on me! My daughter is suffering terribly from
demon-possession." Jesus did not answer a word. So his disciples came to him and
urged him, "Send her away, for she keeps crying out after us." He answered, "I
was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel." The woman came and knelt before him.
"Lord, help me!" she said. He replied, "It is not right to take the children's
bread and toss it to their dogs." "Yes, Lord," she said, "but even the dogs eat
the crumbs that fall from their masters' table." Then Jesus answered, "Woman,
you have great faith! Your request is granted." And her daughter was healed from
that very hour.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Seems to me he was not actually calling her a dog, but rather
making an allusion, as he was wont to do. If you want to take it more literally,
it seems he was calling all non-Jews dogs.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The lost sheep of Israel; the 12 tribes. The Jews are only two
or Three of the twelve tribes of Israel; the tribes of Judah, Benjamin and Dan.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The other 10 tribes of Israel (non-Jews) are "lost" because the
Northern Kingdom of Israel was taken into captivity because they warred with the
Southern Kingdom of Judah. What is more, Jesus believed the Judaism of the time
was not Mosaic Law, but Mosaic Law interpreted wrongly by the Jewish scholars,
scribes and Levi Priests (Rabbis) when exiled in Babylon... hence the vitriol He
aimed at the Pharisees and Sadducees (rabbis) at the time. He believed they had
turned Mosaic Law/Torah Law upside down.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The term "the Jews" has come to indicate all the supposed
descendants of Jacob (Israel) in common parlance. It was in this context I used
the term.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > True. All I am pointing out is that this "common parlance" is
historically inaccurate and wrong. The vast majority of the descendants of the
Patriarch Jacob (Israel) are "unknown" - and do not practice Judaism.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Jesus came for the "lost sheep"; the missing tribes and their
descendants who were not Jews.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Historically inaccurate and wrong only if you accept the bible as a
valid source. There is no independent verification of it as such. Many
historians doubt the existence of people such as Jacob and his sons, or even of
David and Solomon, since there is no archeological or other supporting evidence
for them.
> > > >
> > > > Well, many archeologists would disagree about the archeological evidence
in Israel. Secular scholars doubt many things about the Bible; when it was
written and by whom and for what purpose etc..., but since the 19th century,
evidence has been found of cities mentioned in the Bible.
> > >
> > >
> > > It is a very different thing to find remnants of cities than to find
evidence of actual personages. For instance, the existence of Nottingham does
not prove the existence of the historical Robin Hood.
> >
> > I'm quite familiar with Nottingham and I am yet to discover Robin Hood in
Nottingham (correction: Sherwood) Forest, although he does have a statue in the
city photographed many times a year by enthusiasts... bow, arrow and a proud
stare looking down at them from his pedestal.
> >
> > I guess what I am claiming is that more and more evidence will be discovered
to prove these actual personages existed. I am not up on all the archeological
evidence of Israel, but my understanding (reading Christian blogs) is that much
recently has been discovered in the way of proof.
>
>
> Possibly, but the "Holy Land" has been as picked over relics and "evidence"
for centuries. Biblical apologists have tried to make much of such things for
years, unconvincingly, in my opinion. Modern archeological techniques or just
serendipidy may yet reveal biblical treasures, but until that happens...

We play the waiting game. The Jews are still determined to build the Holy Temple
so animal sacrifice can begin again and "sins" wiped out. I suspect in the next
few years the new Holy Temple (on the site of the destroyed one) will be
rebuilt. I have read that Rabbis have determined exactly where the old Holy
Temples were originally located in Jerusalem.


> > The High Priest Caiaphas, head of the Sanhedrin, that plotted to kill Jesus
for example. Apparently his ring has been found.
> >
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caiaphas
> >
>
> I believe it entirely possible that Caiaphas existed and that he may have
participated the suppression of an itenerant rabbi whose Hellenized name was
"Jesus." But if you expect me to believe that anyone was born of a virgin,
walked on water, raised the dead, returned from the dead himself, etc., I'll
need some pretty good evidence.

The Shroud of Turin? The thing that makes me half-believe is the wisdom,
knowledge & understanding; as well as the loving-kindness and compassion, that
Jesus showed; wisdom of Universal Law and the stopping of cause and effect -
karma. Catholics would argue that a belief system/Tradition without a solid
foundation would not last for 2000 years and still be preached throughout the
world. I've also witnessed Christians speaking in "tongues" (which seems to have
syntax) and falling, shaking and dancing when blessed by the "Holy Spirit". This
half convinces me that there is no smoke without fire, and that the myth of
Jesus Christ and His crucifixion may just have a solid foundation and that the
doors to "Heaven" (another dimension) have indeed been opened by a cosmic
supreme sacrifice made 2000 years ago.

There are even Messianic Jews who believe that JC was the prophesied Moshiach
and they are growing in number.

I also know that evil exists, and since we live in a world of polarity, goodness
must also exist.

Preaching love, forgiveness and goodness (good news) ain't such a bad thing. Far
superior to "An Eye For An Eye And A Tooth For A Tooth", not to mention all of
the animal blood sacrifice commanded in the Old Testament/Covenant/Promise.

The prophecies also seem to be coming true, whether by human design or the
Divine Masterplan.

--- In tt-watch@yahoogroups.com, "istari1357" <istari@...> wrote:
>
> --- In tt-watch@yahoogroups.com, "DaveW" <d_wilk@> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In tt-watch@yahoogroups.com, "istari1357" <istari@> wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In tt-watch@yahoogroups.com, "DaveW" <d_wilk@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In tt-watch@yahoogroups.com, "istari1357" <istari@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In tt-watch@yahoogroups.com, "DaveW" <d_wilk@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In tt-watch@yahoogroups.com, "istari1357" <istari@> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In tt-watch@yahoogroups.com, "DaveW" <d_wilk@> wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --- In tt-watch@yahoogroups.com, "istari1357" <istari@> wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > --- In tt-watch@yahoogroups.com, "DaveW" <d_wilk@> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > --- In tt-watch@yahoogroups.com, "DaveW" <d_wilk@> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > --- In tt-watch@yahoogroups.com, Prophecykeepers
Foundation <prophecykeepersdotcom@> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Well, I guess you are a fan of Mikey, who constantly
puts everyone he doesn't like down
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > If any of you think this is "debate" you have NEVER
actually been a debater.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > .. and Jesus called one woman a dog, so you know little
of the bible like most folks.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > I never claimed an extensive knowledge of the bible, in
fact I admit it's pretty much at a sunday school level. Nor do I claim to be any
type of debater. I'm just asking some questions, which I notice you are evading.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Though I don't claim great knowledge of the bible, I can
look stuff up:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Matthew 15:22-28:
> > > > > > > > > > A Canaanite woman from that vicinity came to him, crying
out, "Lord, Son of David, have mercy on me! My daughter is suffering terribly
from demon-possession." Jesus did not answer a word. So his disciples came to
him and urged him, "Send her away, for she keeps crying out after us." He
answered, "I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel." The woman came and
knelt before him. "Lord, help me!" she said. He replied, "It is not right to
take the children's bread and toss it to their dogs." "Yes, Lord," she said,
"but even the dogs eat the crumbs that fall from their masters' table." Then
Jesus answered, "Woman, you have great faith! Your request is granted." And her
daughter was healed from that very hour.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Seems to me he was not actually calling her a dog, but
rather making an allusion, as he was wont to do. If you want to take it more
literally, it seems he was calling all non-Jews dogs.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > The lost sheep of Israel; the 12 tribes. The Jews are only two
or Three of the twelve tribes of Israel; the tribes of Judah, Benjamin and Dan.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > The other 10 tribes of Israel (non-Jews) are "lost" because
the Northern Kingdom of Israel was taken into captivity because they warred with
the Southern Kingdom of Judah. What is more, Jesus believed the Judaism of the
time was not Mosaic Law, but Mosaic Law interpreted wrongly by the Jewish
scholars, scribes and Levi Priests (Rabbis) when exiled in Babylon... hence the
vitriol He aimed at the Pharisees and Sadducees (rabbis) at the time. He
believed they had turned Mosaic Law/Torah Law upside down.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The term "the Jews" has come to indicate all the supposed
descendants of Jacob (Israel) in common parlance. It was in this context I used
the term.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > True. All I am pointing out is that this "common parlance" is
historically inaccurate and wrong. The vast majority of the descendants of the
Patriarch Jacob (Israel) are "unknown" - and do not practice Judaism.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Jesus came for the "lost sheep"; the missing tribes and their
descendants who were not Jews.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Historically inaccurate and wrong only if you accept the bible as a
valid source. There is no independent verification of it as such. Many
historians doubt the existence of people such as Jacob and his sons, or even of
David and Solomon, since there is no archeological or other supporting evidence
for them.
> > > > >
> > > > > Well, many archeologists would disagree about the archeological
evidence in Israel. Secular scholars doubt many things about the Bible; when it
was written and by whom and for what purpose etc..., but since the 19th century,
evidence has been found of cities mentioned in the Bible.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > It is a very different thing to find remnants of cities than to find
evidence of actual personages. For instance, the existence of Nottingham does
not prove the existence of the historical Robin Hood.
> > >
> > > I'm quite familiar with Nottingham and I am yet to discover Robin Hood in
Nottingham (correction: Sherwood) Forest, although he does have a statue in the
city photographed many times a year by enthusiasts... bow, arrow and a proud
stare looking down at them from his pedestal.
> > >
> > > I guess what I am claiming is that more and more evidence will be
discovered to prove these actual personages existed. I am not up on all the
archeological evidence of Israel, but my understanding (reading Christian blogs)
is that much recently has been discovered in the way of proof.
> >
> >
> > Possibly, but the "Holy Land" has been as picked over relics and "evidence"
for centuries. Biblical apologists have tried to make much of such things for
years, unconvincingly, in my opinion. Modern archeological techniques or just
serendipidy may yet reveal biblical treasures, but until that happens...
>
> We play the waiting game. The Jews are still determined to build the Holy
Temple so animal sacrifice can begin again and "sins" wiped out. I suspect in
the next few years the new Holy Temple (on the site of the destroyed one) will
be rebuilt. I have read that Rabbis have determined exactly where the old Holy
Temples were originally located in Jerusalem.
>
>
> > > The High Priest Caiaphas, head of the Sanhedrin, that plotted to kill
Jesus for example. Apparently his ring has been found.
> > >
> > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caiaphas
> > >
> >
> > I believe it entirely possible that Caiaphas existed and that he may have
participated the suppression of an itenerant rabbi whose Hellenized name was
"Jesus." But if you expect me to believe that anyone was born of a virgin,
walked on water, raised the dead, returned from the dead himself, etc., I'll
need some pretty good evidence.
>
> The Shroud of Turin? The thing that makes me half-believe is the wisdom,
knowledge & understanding; as well as the loving-kindness and compassion, that
Jesus showed; wisdom of Universal Law and the stopping of cause and effect -
karma. Catholics would argue that a belief system/Tradition without a solid
foundation would not last for 2000 years and still be preached throughout the
world. I've also witnessed Christians speaking in "tongues" (which seems to have
syntax) and falling, shaking and dancing when blessed by the "Holy Spirit". This
half convinces me that there is no smoke without fire, and that the myth of
Jesus Christ and His crucifixion may just have a solid foundation and that the
doors to "Heaven" (another dimension) have indeed been opened by a cosmic
supreme sacrifice made 2000 years ago.
>
> There are even Messianic Jews who believe that JC was the prophesied Moshiach
and they are growing in number.
>
> I also know that evil exists, and since we live in a world of polarity,
goodness must also exist.
>
> Preaching love, forgiveness and goodness (good news) ain't such a bad thing.
Far superior to "An Eye For An Eye And A Tooth For A Tooth", not to mention all
of the animal blood sacrifice commanded in the Old Testament/Covenant/Promise.
>
> The prophecies also seem to be coming true, whether by human design or the
Divine Masterplan.
>

The "longevity" argument fails for me, because there are contradictory religions
that have lasted longer, some still extant.

The shroud of Turin was denounced as a fraud by a 14th century bishop, who
reported that the fraudster had confessed. There are many other reasons to
doubt, not the least that it looks to me more like a painting than a natural
impression.

Sure, preaching peace, love, and understanding is all well and good, but it
seems that believers are quite willing to set those virtues aside when ever they
feel the need.

Prophecies always seem to be coming true, as the history of EOTWAWKI predictions
amply testifies. It is probably more a function of the human proclivity for
pattern seeking than any supernatural predictive power.

Please remove irrelevant parts of information when replying. It cleans it up and
makes it easier to read.
Tanks,
Clipper

> I believe it entirely possible that Caiaphas existed and that he may have
participated the suppression of an itenerant rabbi whose Hellenized name was
"Jesus." But if you expect me to believe that anyone was born of a virgin,
walked on water, raised the dead, returned from the dead himself, etc., I'll
need some pretty good evidence.

The Shroud of Turin? The thing that makes me half-believe is the wisdom,
knowledge & understanding; as well as the loving-kindness and compassion, that
Jesus showed; wisdom of Universal Law and the stopping of cause and effect -
karma. Catholics would argue that a belief system/Tradition without a solid
foundation would not last for 2000 years and still be preached throughout the
world. I've also witnessed Christians speaking in "tongues" (which seems to have
syntax) and falling, shaking and dancing when blessed by the "Holy Spirit". This
half convinces me that there is no smoke without fire, and that the myth of
Jesus Christ and His crucifixion may just have a solid foundation and that the
doors to "Heaven" (another dimension) have indeed been opened by a cosmic
supreme sacrifice made 2000 years ago.

There are even Messianic Jews who believe that JC was the prophesied Moshiach
and they are growing in number.

I also know that evil exists, and since we live in a world of polarity, goodness
must also exist.

Preaching love, forgiveness and goodness (good news) ain't such a bad thing. Far
superior to "An Eye For An Eye And A Tooth For A Tooth", not to mention all of
the animal blood sacrifice commanded in the Old Testament/Covenant/Promise.

The prophecies also seem to be coming true, whether by human design or the
Divine Masterplan.




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NATIVE TRADITIONS TELL OF NOAH'S FLOOD OF 13,000 YEARS AGO & WARN OF 2012 REPEAT
by Sasha Lessin, Ph.D., (Anthropology, U.C.L.A.)

Freer writes: "Evidence from geology coupled with reports of the survivors
passed down to us as warnings." The warnings tell of the return of the planet
Nibiru and the comets and asteroids that stay at the 180 degree Lagrange points
on Nibiru's orbit from their circuit around Nemesis, its Dark Star Primary, 120
astronomical units from our sun.

"Hopi, Navajo, Choctah, Cshinaua of Brazil, Ovaherero, Kanga, Loanga, Wanoro of
Africa, Maya, Aztecs, natives of Ceylon and India, China, and Australia" all
say:
"Purifier/Nibiru brings conflagration, celestial disorder, flood, darkness, hail
and fire, hurricanes, bombardment, a collapsed sky, hell on earth. Hawaiian say
the flood sunk Mu, a continent that stretched from from Hawaii to Rarotonga and
Fiji. Mixtecs of Mexico relate the sinking of Atlantis, East of America. The
passing of Nibiru in 13,000 B.C., pushed up the Andes and left closed (live)
clamshells atop Everest." Nibiru's return or the return of the comets and
asteroids at Nibiru's 180 degree LaGrange points "can slso bring pole reversal,
crustal slippage, geomanetic chaos, ice-bound conditions of whold regions,
wholesale extinctions, raised mountain ranges, sunken continents."

When the floodwaters receded after 11000 B.C., they left the uplands intact but
left the Nibirans' spaceport at Sippar, all of Sumer and their African goldmines
under mud and silt. "All the Anunnaki built in the past 432,000 years was
buried under miles thick mud." Of their settlements, only the stone Landing
Platform [Baalbek] in Lebanon, survived intact." Earthlings at low elevations
had drowned. Less than a thousand Earthlings dug alive from mountain caves to a
world of mud that ruined for gathering and hunting. [Freer,2008,Sapiens
Rising:110;ZS, Enki: 230; Cosmic Code: 54]


Nibirans, who'd orbited the earth in their spacecraft or sheltered on the Moon
and Mars during the deluge fostered new crops and beasts, from 11, 000 B.C. to
10,500 B.C., decided to rule through the sons of Ziasudra (son of the Nibiran
Chief Scientist, Enki). They revived Sumer and built a new spaceport on the
Sinai Peninsula..

Enki dug up the seeds under the Lebanon Platform. In his lab, he quadrupled
the grain chromosomes and had Ziasudra's son run bakeries for the re-builders,
then had him supervise the laborers. Ninurta, Commander Enlil's Enforcer, and
Enki mapped a dam, sluice and canal system for Sumer. Enlil's son Adad surveyed
fruit trees that lived and found grapes his mother Ninmah had brought from
Nibiru. Earthlings again grew white and red wine grapes.

Ninagal reported, "Life essences and life eggs in the four-legged animals
fromZiusudra's boat can be combined. Sheep for wool and meat will multiply,
cattle
for milk and hides will all have." Enki bade Dumuzi replenish the livestock;
Ziusudra's middle son ran the shepherds for Dumuzi. So began the Neolithic, the
Age of Domestication. [ZS, Enki: 229 - 234]

"Suddenly and without gradual perpetuation," after the flood Nibirans made the
devastated Earthlings farmers. The agriculture they taught "spread all over the
world from the Near Eastern arc of mountains and highlands." The Anunnaki first
gave Earthlings wheat and barley, then "millet, rye, spelt, flax (for fibers and
edible oil), onions, lentils, beans, cucumbers, cabbage, lettuce, apples,
apricots, cherries, pears, olives, figs, almonds, pistachios, walnuts." The
Anunnaki taught Earthlings to weave fiber into cloth, make flour, bread,
porridge, cakes, pastries, biscuits, yogurt, butter, cream, cheeses, beer and
wine. Settled communities grew and the Nibiran Expedition's royal foremen gave
Earthlings domesticated dogs, geese, ducks, sheep, goats, pigs, horned and
hornless cattle for hides, meat, milk and wool.

Ninurta introduced plows at this time. First, Earthlings pulled them, then
cattle. With Enki's new grains, they boosted food-growing. Nibirans and their
foremen directed Earthlings to regulate the Nile and create pastureland for
Dumuzi's herds. The Nibirans gave Sumerians the WHEEL, carts and chariots,
which Dumuzi's oxen and horses pulled. [ZS, 12th Planet: 6 -9; Wars: 125]

Commander Enlil and his sons and grandchildren ruled Sumer: Innana, Elan
(southeast); Adad, the Taurus Mountains, Asia Minor and the northwest; Ninurta,
the highlands; Nannar, the North; Utu, Lebanon's Airport. Each Sumerian god
walled his sacred precincts, "each with a skyscraping ziggurat [stepped
pyramid]. The ziggurats rose in several steps (usually seven) to 90 meters.
They were build of two kinds of mud brick sun-dried for highrise cores and
kiln-burned for extra strength for stairways, exteriors, and overhangings; held
together with bitumen as mortar."

Enlil kept Nippur, Sumer's center, and there stored his computer programs,
"Tablets of Destinies" and the "Command and Control Center for Earth to
offplanet communication, the Bond Heaven-Earth in his high-rise stepped pyramid.
In the city, Enlil had Earthlings built schools of science and scribing as well
as a library with 30,000 inscribed clay tablets. [ZS, Wars: 125; Giants: 67 -
69]

Enlil, Enki, Inanna, Adad, Ninurta, Utu and Nannar taught the Sumerians "every
'First' of what we deem essential to advanced civilization: wheeled
transportation, brick that made possible high-rise buildings; furnaces and kilns
essential to baking and metallurgy, cities and urban societies, kingship,
temples, priesthoods, festivals, beer, culinary recipes, art, music, musical
instruments, musical notes, dance, writing and record keeping, medicines,
textiles, multicolored apparel, a mathematical system, sexagesimal,
thatinitiated the circle of 3690, timekeeping that divided day/night into 12
double
hours, a luni-solar calendar of 12 months intercalated with a thirteenth leap
month, geometry, measurement units of distance, weight and capacity, an advanced
astronomy with planetary, star, constellation and zodiacal knowledge, law codes
and courts of law, irrigation systems, transportation networks and customs
stations, even taxes." [ZS, Giants: 58, 70]

Enlil ordered a new rocket terminal at Sinai, on the Arabian Peninsula, for
freighting gold to Nibiru. Enlil told Enki and his lineage to build the new
terminal, Mission Control and guidance facilities in a mountain-like Great
Pyramid at Giza, near the Nile at the 30th Parallel. "Although the Sinai
Peninsula and the Giza pyramids were supposedly neutral under Ninmah, Enki and
the Enkiites" intended to control the peninsula. Whoever ran the Giza Pyramid
and Sinai, controlled "space activities, the comings and goings of the `gods,'
the vital supply link to and from Nibiru. Only Enki, the master engineer and
scientist had the know-how and experience for the massive works."

Nowadays, the power elite know the truth of the threat now descending upon
Earth. They "build underground cities for their own survival and the rest of us
be damned. Those who know at NASA are quietly building dome homes that can
withstand wind speeds of hundreds of miles an hour for themselves." The elite
hide the immanent devastation because admitting the coming of Nibiru or its
LaGrange Points "would bring to the fore the existence of the Nibirans, or
genetic creation [by them] and recognition of traditional religions as
continuations of our ancient slave relationship to the Nibirans." [Freer, 2008,
Sapiens Rising:112]

References (Pages in citations are signaled by a colon [:] preceding the page
number

Allan, D. & Delair, J.,
1995, When The Earth Nearly Died: Compelling Evidence of a World Catacylsm
11,5000 Years Ago, Gateway
Alford, A.
1998, The Phoenix Solution, Hodder & Stoughton
Colaw, J.,
2000, A Neil Freer Interview, 1. http://www.ufodisclosure.com/freer2.html
Cremo, M. and Thompson, R.,
1993, Forbidden Archeology: The Hidden History of the Human Race, Torchlight
Cremo, M.,
2003, Human Devolution: A Vedic Alternative to Darwin's Theory, Torchlight
2001, Forbidden Archeology's Impact, Torchlight
Freer, N.,
1999, God Games, Book Tree2000, Breaking the Godspell, Book Tree
2004, Sapiens Rising, neilfreer.com/SRPAGE2.html
2004b, The Alien Question, neilfreer.com/SRPAGE8.html
2008, Sapiens Rising: The View From 2100, Electronic Dragon
Lessin, S.,
2000, www.enkispeaks.com/wordpress
2011, "Ets from Planet Nibiru", UFOs and Supernatural Magazine, Vol 1:2
2011, "A Chat with Dr. Sasha Lessin", UFOs and Supernatural Magazine, Vol 1:2
2011 "Extraterrestrials Engineered Our Species" UFOs and Supernatural Magazine,
Issue 4
2011, " The Anunnaki's Great Deluge: The True and Original Story " UFOs and
Supernatural Magazine, Feb-March Issue
Lloyd, A.,
2001, Winged Disc: The Dark Star Theory, http/www.darkstar.co.uk
2004, "Planet X: Past and Present," UFO Magazine, January 2004
2005, Dark Star: The Planet X Evidence, Timeless Voyager
Sitchin, Z. [ZS in text attributions]
1976, The 12th Planet, Avon
1983, The Stairway to Heaven [Stairway], Avon
1985, The Wars of Gods and Men [Wars], Avon
1990, Genesis Revisited Avon
1990, The Lost Realms Avon
1993, When Time Began [Time], Avon
1995, Divine Encounters [Encounters], Avon
1996, Of Heaven and Earth, Book Tree
1998 The Cosmic Code, Avon
2002, The Lost Book of Enki [Enki], Bear
2004, The Earth Chronicles Expeditions Bear
2007, The End of Days, HarperCollins
2007, Journeys to the Mythical Past]', Bear
2009 The Earth Chronicles Handbook [Handbook], Bear
2010 There Were Giants Upon The Earth [Giants], Bear

Tellinger, M.,
2006, Slave Species of god [Slave Species], Music Masters
***
For more of the story, see
http://www.enkispeaks.com

-----Original Message-----
From: tt-watch@yahoogroups.com [mailto:tt-watch@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of drsashaalexlessin
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 2:37 PM
To: tt-watch@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [tt-watch] NATIVE TRADITIONS TELL OF NOAH'S FLOOD OF 13,000 YEARS
AGO & WARN OF 2012 REPEAT

>NATIVE TRADITIONS TELL OF NOAH'S FLOOD OF 13,000 YEARS AGO & WARN OF 2012
REPEAT by Sasha Lessin, Ph.D., (Anthropology, U.C.L.A.)
>
>Freer writes: "Evidence from geology coupled with reports of the survivors
passed down to us as warnings." The warnings tell of the return of the
planet Nibiru and the >comets and asteroids that stay at the 180 degree
Lagrange points on Nibiru's orbit from their circuit around Nemesis, its
Dark Star Primary, 120 astronomical units from our >sun.
>
>"Hopi, Navajo, Choctah, Cshinaua of Brazil, Ovaherero, Kanga, Loanga,
Wanoro of Africa, Maya, Aztecs, natives of Ceylon and India, China, and
Australia" all say:
>"Purifier/Nibiru brings conflagration, celestial disorder, flood, darkness,
hail and fire, hurricanes, bombardment, a collapsed sky, hell on earth.
Hawaiian say the flood >sunk Mu, a continent that stretched from from Hawaii
to Rarotonga and Fiji. Mixtecs of Mexico relate the sinking of Atlantis,
East of America. The passing of Nibiru in >13,000 B.C., pushed up the Andes
and left closed (live) clamshells atop Everest." Nibiru's return or the
return of the comets and asteroids at Nibiru's 180 degree LaGrange >points
"can slso bring pole reversal, crustal slippage, geomanetic chaos, ice-bound
conditions of whold regions, wholesale extinctions, raised mountain ranges,
sunken >continents."

Any geology book would say otherwise... unless you like fantasy.

Michael L Cunningham

Apparently Michael, you have never read Michael Cremo's books.

Most "Science" is a RACKET today, and has been for a long time. All Flat
Earthers... just like you.






________________________________
  From: Michael L Cunningham <bogeystar@...>
To: tt-watch@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 4:50 PM
Subject: RE: [tt-watch] NATIVE TRADITIONS TELL OF NOAH'S FLOOD OF 13,000 YEARS
AGO & WARN OF 2012 REPEAT


 
-----Original Message-----
From: tt-watch@yahoogroups.com [mailto:tt-watch@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of drsashaalexlessin
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 2:37 PM
To: tt-watch@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [tt-watch] NATIVE TRADITIONS TELL OF NOAH'S FLOOD OF 13,000 YEARS
AGO & WARN OF 2012 REPEAT

>NATIVE TRADITIONS TELL OF NOAH'S FLOOD OF 13,000 YEARS AGO & WARN OF 2012
REPEAT by Sasha Lessin, Ph.D., (Anthropology, U.C.L.A.)
>
>Freer writes: "Evidence from geology coupled with reports of the survivors
passed down to us as warnings." The warnings tell of the return of the
planet Nibiru and the >comets and asteroids that stay at the 180 degree
Lagrange points on Nibiru's orbit from their circuit around Nemesis, its
Dark Star Primary, 120 astronomical units from our >sun.
>
>"Hopi, Navajo, Choctah, Cshinaua of Brazil, Ovaherero, Kanga, Loanga,
Wanoro of Africa, Maya, Aztecs, natives of Ceylon and India, China, and
Australia" all say:
>"Purifier/Nibiru brings conflagration, celestial disorder, flood, darkness,
hail and fire, hurricanes, bombardment, a collapsed sky, hell on earth.
Hawaiian say the flood >sunk Mu, a continent that stretched from from Hawaii
to Rarotonga and Fiji. Mixtecs of Mexico relate the sinking of Atlantis,
East of America. The passing of Nibiru in >13,000 B.C., pushed up the Andes
and left closed (live) clamshells atop Everest." Nibiru's return or the
return of the comets and asteroids at Nibiru's 180 degree LaGrange >points
"can slso bring pole reversal, crustal slippage, geomanetic chaos, ice-bound
conditions of whold regions, wholesale extinctions, raised mountain ranges,
sunken >continents."

Any geology book would say otherwise... unless you like fantasy.

Michael L Cunningham




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--- In tt-watch@yahoogroups.com, Prophecykeepers Foundation
<prophecykeepersdotcom@...> wrote:
>
> Apparently Michael, you have never read Michael Cremo's books.
>
> Most "Science" is a RACKET today, and has been for a long time. All Flat
Earthers... just like you.

Michael Cremo is not a part of Establishment "Peer Review" Science sponsored and
funded by the Wealthy that keeps and filters true knowledge/information/data out
of the public arena so public perception of the past can be controlled, so he
would likely call Michael Cremo's brilliant research "fantasy" when in fact it
is truth.

Very respectful of hierarchy is our Michael, even in an imperfect material world
where lies control the world as a matter of course and are dished out daily for
public consumption.

Apparently, he buys the lies and disinfo.

Catastrophism makes much more sense than Uniformitarianism; much more logical,
rational and truly scientific. The celestial bodies show evidence of
catatrophism, as does the Solar System as a whole... the asteroid belt where a
planet once existed, planets spinning in the opposite direction to Earth, the
moon which has so very many mathematical statistical improbabilities connected
with it that some scientists have even theorised it is an artificial body.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catastrophism

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uniformitarianism

Ages begin and ages end; they start and finish by catastrophism and disaster.

  ________________________________
>  From: Michael L Cunningham <bogeystar@...>
> To: tt-watch@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 4:50 PM
> Subject: RE: [tt-watch] NATIVE TRADITIONS TELL OF NOAH'S FLOOD OF 13,000 YEARS
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>
>
>  
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tt-watch@yahoogroups.com [mailto:tt-watch@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
> Of drsashaalexlessin
> Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 2:37 PM
> To: tt-watch@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [tt-watch] NATIVE TRADITIONS TELL OF NOAH'S FLOOD OF 13,000 YEARS
> AGO & WARN OF 2012 REPEAT
>
> >NATIVE TRADITIONS TELL OF NOAH'S FLOOD OF 13,000 YEARS AGO & WARN OF 2012
> REPEAT by Sasha Lessin, Ph.D., (Anthropology, U.C.L.A.)
> >
> >Freer writes: "Evidence from geology coupled with reports of the survivors
> passed down to us as warnings." The warnings tell of the return of the
> planet Nibiru and the >comets and asteroids that stay at the 180 degree
> Lagrange points on Nibiru's orbit from their circuit around Nemesis, its
> Dark Star Primary, 120 astronomical units from our >sun.
> >
> >"Hopi, Navajo, Choctah, Cshinaua of Brazil, Ovaherero, Kanga, Loanga,
> Wanoro of Africa, Maya, Aztecs, natives of Ceylon and India, China, and
> Australia" all say:
> >"Purifier/Nibiru brings conflagration, celestial disorder, flood, darkness,
> hail and fire, hurricanes, bombardment, a collapsed sky, hell on earth.
> Hawaiian say the flood >sunk Mu, a continent that stretched from from Hawaii
> to Rarotonga and Fiji. Mixtecs of Mexico relate the sinking of Atlantis,
> East of America. The passing of Nibiru in >13,000 B.C., pushed up the Andes
> and left closed (live) clamshells atop Everest." Nibiru's return or the
> return of the comets and asteroids at Nibiru's 180 degree LaGrange >points
> "can slso bring pole reversal, crustal slippage, geomanetic chaos, ice-bound
> conditions of whold regions, wholesale extinctions, raised mountain ranges,
> sunken >continents."
>
> Any geology book would say otherwise... unless you like fantasy.
>
> Michael L Cunningham
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

-----Original Message-----
From: tt-watch@yahoogroups.com [mailto:tt-watch@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Prophecykeepers Foundation
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 8:00 PM
To: tt-watch@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [tt-watch] NATIVE TRADITIONS TELL OF NOAH'S FLOOD OF 13,000 YEARS
AGO & WARN OF 2012 REPEAT

>Apparently Michael, you have never read Michael Cremo's books.
>
>Most "Science" is a RACKET today, and has been for a long time. All Flat
Earthers... just like you.

Sorry...

I don't by in to Cremo's views... they're biased as scientific thought and based
on him being a Hindu creationist.

More importantly, his views are not supported by the vast majority of
scientists... he is termed to be a fringe extremist.

Finally, none of his findings have every been proven (humans living on earth for
over a billion years, etc. etc.)

I rest in comfort of the fact that none of the kooks who write books have been
nor will ever be accepted by the vast majority of thinking human beings (minus
the few believers who still haunt this group in denial). This doom and gloom
view is only held by those who wish for vindication and pray for the end of life
as the human race knows it today.

How does it feel? To pray for the end of the world daily?

Must be a tedious existence on your part to have failed prophecies at every turn
and try to explain every news of disaster in the world as vindication of your
views.

You'd do better selling snake oil.

Michael L Cunningham

-----Original Message-----
From: tt-watch@yahoogroups.com [mailto:tt-watch@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of istari1357
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 6:58 AM
To: tt-watch@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [tt-watch] Re: NATIVE TRADITIONS TELL OF NOAH'S FLOOD OF 13,000
YEARS AGO & WARN OF 2012 REPEAT

>Michael Cremo is not a part of Establishment "Peer Review" Science
sponsored and funded by the Wealthy that keeps and filters true
knowledge/information/data out of the >public arena so public perception of
the past can be controlled, so he would likely call Michael Cremo's
brilliant research "fantasy" when in fact it is truth.
>
>Very respectful of hierarchy is our Michael, even in an imperfect material
world where lies control the world as a matter of course and are dished out
daily for public >consumption.
>
>Apparently, he buys the lies and disinfo.
>
>Catastrophism makes much more sense than Uniformitarianism; much more
logical, rational and truly scientific. The celestial bodies show evidence
of catatrophism, as does >the Solar System as a whole... the asteroid belt
where a planet once existed, planets spinning in the opposite direction to
Earth, the moon which has so very many >mathematical statistical
improbabilities connected with it that some scientists have even theorised
it is an artificial body.
>
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catastrophism
>
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uniformitarianism
>
>Ages begin and ages end; they start and finish by catastrophism and
disaster.

I thank god that views such a catastrophism are not and will never be
accepted or proven as main-stream science...

Michael L Cunningham

Michael can't wrap his head around things like a pair of leather boots found in
gravels several miles below the surface of the earth during mining operations.








________________________________
  From: istari1357 <istari@...>
To: tt-watch@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 8:57 AM
Subject: [tt-watch] Re: NATIVE TRADITIONS TELL OF NOAH'S FLOOD OF 13,000 YEARS
AGO & WARN OF 2012 REPEAT


 
--- In tt-watch@yahoogroups.com, Prophecykeepers Foundation
<prophecykeepersdotcom@...> wrote:
>
> Apparently Michael, you have never read Michael Cremo's books.
>
> Most "Science" is a RACKET today, and has been for a long time. All Flat
Earthers... just like you.

Michael Cremo is not a part of Establishment "Peer Review" Science sponsored and
funded by the Wealthy that keeps and filters true knowledge/information/data out
of the public arena so public perception of the past can be controlled, so he
would likely call Michael Cremo's brilliant research "fantasy" when in fact it
is truth.

Very respectful of hierarchy is our Michael, even in an imperfect material world
where lies control the world as a matter of course and are dished out daily for
public consumption.

Apparently, he buys the lies and disinfo.

Catastrophism makes much more sense than Uniformitarianism; much more logical,
rational and truly scientific. The celestial bodies show evidence of
catatrophism, as does the Solar System as a whole... the asteroid belt where a
planet once existed, planets spinning in the opposite direction to Earth, the
moon which has so very many mathematical statistical improbabilities connected
with it that some scientists have even theorised it is an artificial body.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catastrophism

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uniformitarianism

Ages begin and ages end; they start and finish by catastrophism and disaster.

________________________________
>  From: Michael L Cunningham <bogeystar@...>
> To: tt-watch@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 4:50 PM
> Subject: RE: [tt-watch] NATIVE TRADITIONS TELL OF NOAH'S FLOOD OF 13,000 YEARS
AGO & WARN OF 2012 REPEAT
>
>
>  
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tt-watch@yahoogroups.com [mailto:tt-watch@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
> Of drsashaalexlessin
> Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 2:37 PM
> To: tt-watch@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [tt-watch] NATIVE TRADITIONS TELL OF NOAH'S FLOOD OF 13,000 YEARS
> AGO & WARN OF 2012 REPEAT
>
> >NATIVE TRADITIONS TELL OF NOAH'S FLOOD OF 13,000 YEARS AGO & WARN OF 2012
> REPEAT by Sasha Lessin, Ph.D., (Anthropology, U.C.L.A.)
> >
> >Freer writes: "Evidence from geology coupled with reports of the survivors
> passed down to us as warnings." The warnings tell of the return of the
> planet Nibiru and the >comets and asteroids that stay at the 180 degree
> Lagrange points on Nibiru's orbit from their circuit around Nemesis, its
> Dark Star Primary, 120 astronomical units from our >sun.
> >
> >"Hopi, Navajo, Choctah, Cshinaua of Brazil, Ovaherero, Kanga, Loanga,
> Wanoro of Africa, Maya, Aztecs, natives of Ceylon and India, China, and
> Australia" all say:
> >"Purifier/Nibiru brings conflagration, celestial disorder, flood, darkness,
> hail and fire, hurricanes, bombardment, a collapsed sky, hell on earth.
> Hawaiian say the flood >sunk Mu, a continent that stretched from from Hawaii
> to Rarotonga and Fiji. Mixtecs of Mexico relate the sinking of Atlantis,
> East of America. The passing of Nibiru in >13,000 B.C., pushed up the Andes
> and left closed (live) clamshells atop Everest." Nibiru's return or the
> return of the comets and asteroids at Nibiru's 180 degree LaGrange >points
> "can slso bring pole reversal, crustal slippage, geomanetic chaos, ice-bound
> conditions of whold regions, wholesale extinctions, raised mountain ranges,
> sunken >continents."
>
> Any geology book would say otherwise... unless you like fantasy.
>
> Michael L Cunningham
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>




[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

-----Original Message-----
From: tt-watch@yahoogroups.com [mailto:tt-watch@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Prophecykeepers Foundation
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 7:34 AM
To: tt-watch@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [tt-watch] Re: NATIVE TRADITIONS TELL OF NOAH'S FLOOD OF 13,000
YEARS AGO & WARN OF 2012 REPEAT

>Michael can't wrap his head around things like a pair of leather boots found in
gravels several miles below the surface of the earth during mining operations.

If you have proof... I'd like to see it.

Michael L Cunningham

--- In tt-watch@yahoogroups.com, Prophecykeepers Foundation
<prophecykeepersdotcom@...> wrote:
>
> Michael can't wrap his head around things like a pair of leather boots found
in gravels several miles below the surface of the earth during mining
operations.

I honestly find it hard to accept that "scientists" funded by the Wealthy truly
believe what they teach as scientific truth to the public. After all, change
happens each and every day here on Earth; catastrophe, tragedy and unexpected
disasters, both in every human beings life and in the world as a whole. Why on
earth these Establishment Scientists would truly assume or believe that "The
Heavens" or Universe would be any different is quite beyond my comprehension.

Ancient scrolls and ancient texts once only read by the initiated Priest-Kings
of old speak of the "Golden Age" of the "gods" that was destroyed by catastrophe
(The Deluge) and warn of it happening again in periodic cycles (read Plato who
was an initiate of a Mystery School). Finding a pair of leather boots in gravel
several miles underground, or a gold necklace, or ancient cities underwater, or
ancient cities turned to glass by weapons of mass destruction doesn't surprise
me in the least.

The history of the past is IMHO complete bunk - "He who controls the past
controls the present, and he who controls the present controls the future"...
George Orwell.

Even the Bible sates in Genesis that "God" told adam and eve to repopulate the
planet... (start the world again) and re-search isn't called re-search without a
very good reason. The English Language is a coded language.

  ________________________________
>  From: istari1357 <istari@...>
> To: tt-watch@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 8:57 AM
> Subject: [tt-watch] Re: NATIVE TRADITIONS TELL OF NOAH'S FLOOD OF 13,000 YEARS
AGO & WARN OF 2012 REPEAT
>
>
>  
> --- In tt-watch@yahoogroups.com, Prophecykeepers Foundation
<prophecykeepersdotcom@> wrote:
> >
> > Apparently Michael, you have never read Michael Cremo's books.
> >
> > Most "Science" is a RACKET today, and has been for a long time. All Flat
Earthers... just like you.
>
> Michael Cremo is not a part of Establishment "Peer Review" Science sponsored
and funded by the Wealthy that keeps and filters true knowledge/information/data
out of the public arena so public perception of the past can be controlled, so
he would likely call Michael Cremo's brilliant research "fantasy" when in fact
it is truth.
>
> Very respectful of hierarchy is our Michael, even in an imperfect material
world where lies control the world as a matter of course and are dished out
daily for public consumption.
>
> Apparently, he buys the lies and disinfo.
>
> Catastrophism makes much more sense than Uniformitarianism; much more logical,
rational and truly scientific. The celestial bodies show evidence of
catatrophism, as does the Solar System as a whole... the asteroid belt where a
planet once existed, planets spinning in the opposite direction to Earth, the
moon which has so very many mathematical statistical improbabilities connected
with it that some scientists have even theorised it is an artificial body.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catastrophism
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uniformitarianism
>
> Ages begin and ages end; they start and finish by catastrophism and disaster.
>
> ________________________________
> >  From: Michael L Cunningham <bogeystar@>
> > To: tt-watch@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 4:50 PM
> > Subject: RE: [tt-watch] NATIVE TRADITIONS TELL OF NOAH'S FLOOD OF 13,000
YEARS AGO & WARN OF 2012 REPEAT
> >
> >
> >  
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: tt-watch@yahoogroups.com [mailto:tt-watch@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
> > Of drsashaalexlessin
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 2:37 PM
> > To: tt-watch@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [tt-watch] NATIVE TRADITIONS TELL OF NOAH'S FLOOD OF 13,000 YEARS
> > AGO & WARN OF 2012 REPEAT
> >
> > >NATIVE TRADITIONS TELL OF NOAH'S FLOOD OF 13,000 YEARS AGO & WARN OF 2012
> > REPEAT by Sasha Lessin, Ph.D., (Anthropology, U.C.L.A.)
> > >
> > >Freer writes: "Evidence from geology coupled with reports of the survivors
> > passed down to us as warnings." The warnings tell of the return of the
> > planet Nibiru and the >comets and asteroids that stay at the 180 degree
> > Lagrange points on Nibiru's orbit from their circuit around Nemesis, its
> > Dark Star Primary, 120 astronomical units from our >sun.
> > >
> > >"Hopi, Navajo, Choctah, Cshinaua of Brazil, Ovaherero, Kanga, Loanga,
> > Wanoro of Africa, Maya, Aztecs, natives of Ceylon and India, China, and
> > Australia" all say:
> > >"Purifier/Nibiru brings conflagration, celestial disorder, flood, darkness,
> > hail and fire, hurricanes, bombardment, a collapsed sky, hell on earth.
> > Hawaiian say the flood >sunk Mu, a continent that stretched from from Hawaii
> > to Rarotonga and Fiji. Mixtecs of Mexico relate the sinking of Atlantis,
> > East of America. The passing of Nibiru in >13,000 B.C., pushed up the Andes
> > and left closed (live) clamshells atop Everest." Nibiru's return or the
> > return of the comets and asteroids at Nibiru's 180 degree LaGrange >points
> > "can slso bring pole reversal, crustal slippage, geomanetic chaos, ice-bound
> > conditions of whold regions, wholesale extinctions, raised mountain ranges,
> > sunken >continents."
> >
> > Any geology book would say otherwise... unless you like fantasy.
> >
> > Michael L Cunningham
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

-----Original Message-----
From: tt-watch@yahoogroups.com [mailto:tt-watch@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of istari1357
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 11:42 AM
To: tt-watch@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [tt-watch] Re: NATIVE TRADITIONS TELL OF NOAH'S FLOOD OF 13,000
YEARS AGO & WARN OF 2012 REPEAT

>I honestly find it hard to accept that "scientists" funded by the Wealthy
truly believe what they teach as scientific truth to the public. After >all,
change happens each and every day here on Earth; catastrophe, tragedy and
unexpected disasters, both in every human beings life and in the >world as a
whole. Why on earth these Establishment Scientists would truly assume or
believe that "The Heavens" or Universe would be any different >is quite
beyond my comprehension.

Problem is... you've never been able to supply any proof to this group of
that. Care to try again or we're suppose to take your word on it?

>Ancient scrolls and ancient texts once only read by the initiated
Priest-Kings of old speak of the "Golden Age" of the "gods" that was
destroyed by >catastrophe (The Deluge) and warn of it happening again in
periodic cycles (read Plato who was an initiate of a Mystery School).
Finding a pair of >leather boots in gravel several miles underground, or a
gold necklace, or ancient cities underwater, or ancient cities turned to
glass by weapons >of mass destruction doesn't surprise me in the least.

Again... care to offer any proof?

>The history of the past is IMHO complete bunk - "He who controls the past
controls the present, and he who controls the present controls the
>future"... George Orwell.

And your opinion amounts to what?

>Even the Bible sates in Genesis that "God" told adam and eve to repopulate
the planet... (start the world again) and re-search isn't called re->search
without a very good reason. The English Language is a coded language.

Care to post the verse?

Michael L Cunningham

ANYTHING that would make the populace angry, and MIGHT interrupt commerce in
this nation is a threat to National Security.

Truth will NEVER be the agenda of the Gov't of The Benighted States of America
or its educational institutions.



.


________________________________
  From: Michael L Cunningham <bogeystar@...>
To: tt-watch@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 10:20 AM
Subject: RE: [tt-watch] Re: NATIVE TRADITIONS TELL OF NOAH'S FLOOD OF 13,000
YEARS AGO & WARN OF 2012 REPEAT


 
-----Original Message-----
From: tt-watch@yahoogroups.com [mailto:tt-watch@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of istari1357
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 6:58 AM
To: tt-watch@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [tt-watch] Re: NATIVE TRADITIONS TELL OF NOAH'S FLOOD OF 13,000
YEARS AGO & WARN OF 2012 REPEAT

>Michael Cremo is not a part of Establishment "Peer Review" Science
sponsored and funded by the Wealthy that keeps and filters true
knowledge/information/data out of the >public arena so public perception of
the past can be controlled, so he would likely call Michael Cremo's
brilliant research "fantasy" when in fact it is truth.
>
>Very respectful of hierarchy is our Michael, even in an imperfect material
world where lies control the world as a matter of course and are dished out
daily for public >consumption.
>
>Apparently, he buys the lies and disinfo.
>
>Catastrophism makes much more sense than Uniformitarianism; much more
logical, rational and truly scientific. The celestial bodies show evidence
of catatrophism, as does >the Solar System as a whole... the asteroid belt
where a planet once existed, planets spinning in the opposite direction to
Earth, the moon which has so very many >mathematical statistical
improbabilities connected with it that some scientists have even theorised
it is an artificial body.
>
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catastrophism
>
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uniformitarianism
>
>Ages begin and ages end; they start and finish by catastrophism and
disaster.

I thank god that views such a catastrophism are not and will never be
accepted or proven as main-stream science...

Michael L Cunningham




[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Michael,

Only Flat Earthers buy into what YOU buy into.

Most all great scientific discoveries were the result of serindipity,



.


________________________________
  From: Michael L Cunningham <bogeystar@...>
To: tt-watch@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 10:16 AM
Subject: RE: [tt-watch] NATIVE TRADITIONS TELL OF NOAH'S FLOOD OF 13,000 YEARS
AGO & WARN OF 2012 REPEAT


 
-----Original Message-----
From: tt-watch@yahoogroups.com [mailto:tt-watch@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Prophecykeepers Foundation
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 8:00 PM
To: tt-watch@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [tt-watch] NATIVE TRADITIONS TELL OF NOAH'S FLOOD OF 13,000 YEARS
AGO & WARN OF 2012 REPEAT

>Apparently Michael, you have never read Michael Cremo's books.
>
>Most "Science" is a RACKET today, and has been for a long time. All Flat
Earthers... just like you.

Sorry...

I don't by in to Cremo's views... they're biased as scientific thought and based
on him being a Hindu creationist.

More importantly, his views are not supported by the vast majority of
scientists... he is termed to be a fringe extremist.

Finally, none of his findings have every been proven (humans living on earth for
over a billion years, etc. etc.)

I rest in comfort of the fact that none of the kooks who write books have been
nor will ever be accepted by the vast majority of thinking human beings (minus
the few believers who still haunt this group in denial). This doom and gloom
view is only held by those who wish for vindication and pray for the end of life
as the human race knows it today.

How does it feel? To pray for the end of the world daily?

Must be a tedious existence on your part to have failed prophecies at every turn
and try to explain every news of disaster in the world as vindication of your
views.

You'd do better selling snake oil.

Michael L Cunningham




[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

No you don't want any proof Michael.

If you wanted truth, you would have already rushed out and bought Cremo's books.

Your lips profess wanting to be close to truth, but your heart is FAR from it.



.


________________________________
  From: Michael L Cunningham <bogeystar@...>
To: tt-watch@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 11:59 AM
Subject: RE: [tt-watch] Re: NATIVE TRADITIONS TELL OF NOAH'S FLOOD OF 13,000
YEARS AGO & WARN OF 2012 REPEAT


 
-----Original Message-----
From: tt-watch@yahoogroups.com [mailto:tt-watch@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Prophecykeepers Foundation
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 7:34 AM
To: tt-watch@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [tt-watch] Re: NATIVE TRADITIONS TELL OF NOAH'S FLOOD OF 13,000
YEARS AGO & WARN OF 2012 REPEAT

>Michael can't wrap his head around things like a pair of leather boots found in
gravels several miles below the surface of the earth during mining operations.

If you have proof... I'd like to see it.

Michael L Cunningham




[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

--- In tt-watch@yahoogroups.com, "istari1357" <istari@...> wrote:
>
> --- In tt-watch@yahoogroups.com, Prophecykeepers Foundation
<prophecykeepersdotcom@> wrote:
> >
> > Michael can't wrap his head around things like a pair of leather boots found
in gravels several miles below the surface of the earth during mining
operations.
>
> I honestly find it hard to accept that "scientists" funded by the Wealthy
truly believe what they teach as scientific truth to the public. After all,
change happens each and every day here on Earth; catastrophe, tragedy and
unexpected disasters, both in every human beings life and in the world as a
whole. Why on earth these Establishment Scientists would truly assume or believe
that "The Heavens" or Universe would be any different is quite beyond my
comprehension.
>
> Ancient scrolls and ancient texts once only read by the initiated Priest-Kings
of old speak of the "Golden Age" of the "gods" that was destroyed by catastrophe
(The Deluge) and warn of it happening again in periodic cycles (read Plato who
was an initiate of a Mystery School). Finding a pair of leather boots in gravel
several miles underground, or a gold necklace, or ancient cities underwater, or
ancient cities turned to glass by weapons of mass destruction doesn't surprise
me in the least.
>
> The history of the past is IMHO complete bunk - "He who controls the past
controls the present, and he who controls the present controls the future"...
George Orwell.
>

I suspect that you don't irony of your statements.

>
> Even the Bible sates in Genesis that "God" told adam and eve to repopulate the
planet... (start the world again) and re-search isn't called re-search without a
very good reason. The English Language is a coded language.
>

Or, in this case, a misquoted language, since what the bible says in Genesis
1:27-28:
So God created man in His own image; in the image of God He created him; male
and female He created them. Then God blessed them, and God said to them, "Be
fruitful and multiply; fill the earth and subdue it; have dominion over the fish
of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over every living thing that moves on
the earth."

That's "fill," not "repopulate." And the supposed "coding" of the English
language is here irrelevant, since the bible was written before English even
existed.

--- In tt-watch@yahoogroups.com, Prophecykeepers Foundation
<prophecykeepersdotcom@...> wrote:
>
> No you don't want any proof Michael.
>
> If you wanted truth, you would have already rushed out and bought Cremo's
books.
>
> Your lips profess wanting to be close to truth, but your heart is FAR from it.
>
>

A book that someone wrote is not proof of anything except that someone wrote a
book.

Yet again you evade the question when asked for evidence.

ABANDON RELIGIONS PROGRAMMED BY ETS TO KEEP US KILLING EACH OTHER
A 40-Minute Radio Program on
http://enkispeaks.com/media/radio/053112-extraterrestrial-contact/
(paste the link above into your browser and listen)

Anthropologist Sasha Lessin and UFO scholar Janet Kira Lessin discuss the
religions which fully-human extraterrestrials from the planet Nibiru created and
the slave-master relationship the power elite continue to this day.

The Lessins share how ETs nowadays are trying to help us stop wars and prepare
for the impending disaster of the return of the debris that accompany comets,
meteorite and asteroids at the tenth planet's 180 degree Lagrange points about
to bombard Earth with an extinction-level of solar flares, earthquakes, volcanic
action and tidal waves.

For more of the story, see SO CHOOSE ALL EARTHLINGS, NOT JUST MY PEOPLE
browse to
http://enkispeaks.com/2012/06/01/so-choose-all-earthlings-not-just-my-people/

In this essay, Dr. Lessin concludes:

         Time's come to drop the nonsense of one all-powerful god–the one favored
by this or that religion--and realize the "gods" were just technologically
advanced people who pitted us against each other to keep the power-elite
bloodline most directly descended from them in power.  The Nibiran bred us to
slave for them and left us enslaved by their favored bloodline. But we've
outgrown Nibiran control and control their favored bloodline exercise over us. 
We seek peace.

	 We all are the chosen people, this time, we choose ourselves, the hybrid
Earthlings the Nibirans created, as masters of our own destiny.  We're slaves to
no god.

	 We declare ourselves worthy members of a single species, Earthlings.  We're
ready to end nuclear destruction, war and pollution suicide, ready to face as a
single Earthling family, the immanent prospect of Earth's crossing the 180
LaGrange point of Nibiru's orbit this year.

ETS HELP US SAVE OURSELVES- 40-minute RADIO show
Listen at
http://extraterrestrialcontact.com/radio/extraterrestrial-contact-renegadetalk-f\
m/

	 On this show, anthropologist Sasha Lessin reviews evidence of ET assistance
overcoming Violence, Warfare and Weapons of Mass Destruction in Space.

	 UFO researcher Janet Kira Lessin describes her own abductions and how the U.S.
military fed alien technology from the sacrificial crash of ET androids at
Roswell New Mexico in the 1950s, including microchips to, ultimately, yield the
internet, artificial intelligence for all humanity.  Internet IA will, says
Sasha, ultimately reflect upon itself and help us learn of and distribute free
energy devices that free us from the helplessness and slave mentality they
imposed on us, 300,000 years ago when they engineered the Nibiran ET genes onto
that of Homo Erectus to create us Earthlings as disposable slaves.

	 Neil Freer wrote: "There are aliens present and inviting us into stellar
society.  We have the evidence and species maturity to restore our true history
as a genetically engineered species.  Religion is the sublimated continuation of
the ancient slave-master relationship we were created under.  We must be a
united and peaceful species taking no weapons into space.  We must expand our
consciousness to grasp the potential of immortality, develop free energy sources
and advanced nanotechnology to move beyond competition and money to
coorperation.  There is no evidence that any alien species ever attacked us. The
vast number of reports has shown that the most advanced species have expressed
concern for human welfare and our survival." [Sapiens Arising: 23]

Lots more: http://www.extraterrestrialcontact.com