Yes, that is sounding alot like what's going with this.  I got the "depreciated"
value up front.  And then, I get the repaired/replaced value when it's been
done.  But, I'm not sure if I get the amount they have said that it should cost
(even if I don't go over) ONLY of I provide a receipt Or... only have to provide
a receipt if I go over???

That's where I can see that I might have to barter some things (that I can do,
like you did) for a receipt from him saying he did it...so that he can
do/upgrade other things in return.  I'd also be interested to know that if they
think the replacement value is say $2000 for cabinets installed, and it comes in
at $2500 (but the cabinets are nicer) will they at least pay the $2000???  What
do you remember on that??  Because, if you read my response to Ruthies post
about what I learned when cabinet shopping you'll see what I'm getting at.  (It
would be rediculous for me to install cheaper in-stock cabinets)  And, quite
frankly, ALL of the prices (even the UNfinished in-stock cheapos) came in OVER
the insurance company's price). And, if the labor is the same; why couldn't I
njust pay the difference?



--- In vegetablegrowersplot@yahoogroups.com, "elyseandjoe" <elyseandjoe@...>
wrote:
>
> you know, we may have recieved the checks first, too. I can't remember. I do
> remember that the insurance company did a ten percent hold back, until the
> permits(occupancy) was signed off. We may have been paid for the work, only
> because he said he did it, then he used the money for upgrades. I forget now
> but it worked to cover the costs. Elyse
>
> > Fortunately, I got/get the check not the contractor.  And, from what I
> > understand, I only need a receipt if I want more than what the insurance
> > company has listed that it will pay to "repair/replace".  And, even then I
> > would need to justify the overage (and is recommended that I do so
> > beforehand).  I too plan to do some of the work myself to pay for
> > upgrades.  But hopefully, not have to have to get the contractor to
> > collect the money and then pay me.  I'll have to discuss this with the
> > insurance company in more detail.  Because, this contractor's numbers
> > don't add up and I don't think I can count on him to pay me for my
> > contribution.
> >
> > --- In vegetablegrowersplot@yahoogroups.com, "elyseandjoe"
> > <elyseandjoe@> wrote:
> >>
> >> we had a huge fire about 17 years ago. What we had was the full
> >> replacement
> >> insurance so I order work that repair EXACTLY what was there. The
> >> insurance
> >> comapny will not pay for upgrades. We even had to bargin with the
> >> insurance
> >> to make they pay what we repaired. Be very careful. This guy sounds like
> >> someone who you mu=ight what to walk away from. What I did was negotiate
> >> with the builder for some of the things by doing some of the work he was
> >> paying to have done and using the money he got from the insurance company
> >> towards upgrades. For instance, I washed all the smoke damage, etc. off
> >> the
> >> kitchen cabinets, the insurance company paid him a 1000.00 and he used it
> >> to
> >> upgade our garage roof. Get it all in writing first. hth, elyse
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "thewall62801" <no_reply@yahoogroups.com>
> >> To: <vegetablegrowersplot@yahoogroups.com>
> >> Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 5:22 PM
> >> Subject: [Vegetable Growers Plot] OT; the rebuilding begins (or not)
> >>
> >>
> >> > The contractor that I was hoping to work with on most of this
> >> > rebuilding
> >> > was telling me that I could get everything that the insurance said
> >> > they'd
> >> > pay for, plus other things that I wanted to improve; ALL for the price
> >> > that the insurance total payment would be.
> >> > And, in addition to all that, he started telling me that I should
> >> > upgrade
> >> > to 200A electric panel in a new location and reside the whole house
> >> > because I could do that too (all within the insurance budget, or well
> >> > worth the slightly more amount but way worth it to do).
> >> >
> >> > Then, he started calling me within days of the fire and telling me that
> >> > I
> >> > needed to let him go ahead and order windows and kitchen cabinets and
> >> > start on installing the 200A panel right away.  Even though windows nor
> >> > electric upgrade nor relocation were included in the insurance amount
> >> > AND
> >> > I still had holes in my floors that had not even been temporarily
> >> > patched
> >> > and no heat.  Oh yea, and he seemed to think I could finance a new HVAc
> >> > system with the money he was sure we could go back and hit up the
> >> > insurance company to fork out for (in misc fees here and there).
> >> >
> >> > So, I told him that I would consider some of these upgrades and
> >> > additinal
> >> > work if the buget allows.  But, that in the meantime I wanted to stick
> >> > to
> >> > what I NEEDED done and that if I could see on his written estimate
> >> > where I
> >> > was coming in under the insurance estimate in some places where I was
> >> > coming in under the insurance estimate and could therefore pay for
> >> > these
> >> > other thing....I would be more apt to go ahead with them.  And then, I
> >> > reiterated that I needed a line item listing of the major things
> >> > needing
> >> > done with labor and material and could see where I would be able to pay
> >> > for these other thing....I would be more apt to go ahead with them.
> >> > And
> >> > then told him that I needed a line item listing of the major things
> >> > needing done with labor and material separated so that I could go
> >> > shopping
> >> > and pick out my own windows and cabinets and would know how much he had
> >> > budgeted in.
> >> >
> >> > What I got was 8 to 10 word descriptions of work categories like: "put
> >> > in
> >> > kitchen cabinets, sink and faucet"..."remove old siding, patch holes
> >> > and
> >> > reside"....and "windows"  and; here's the clincher:
> >> >
> >> > that overall estimate total was within dollars of the entire insurance
> >> > amount and did NOT include that 200A service, the whole house residing,
> >> > or
> >> > even things that were included; like...dumpster, cleaning drapes and
> >> > clothes and contents, that I would have to do or pay someone else to do
> >> > in
> >> > addition to his work AND upon discussion of just the cabinets (for
> >> > instance) the price (that remains UN iremized in lump sum labor &
> >> > mat'l);
> >> > he tells me that they are UNfinished and that I would need to do the
> >> > staining, painting, or whatever.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > ------------------------------------
> >> >
> >> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
>

you know, we may have recieved the checks first, too. I can't remember. I do
remember that the insurance company did a ten percent hold back, until the
permits(occupancy) was signed off. We may have been paid for the work, only
because he said he did it, then he used the money for upgrades. I forget now
but it worked to cover the costs. Elyse

> Fortunately, I got/get the check not the contractor.  And, from what I
> understand, I only need a receipt if I want more than what the insurance
> company has listed that it will pay to "repair/replace".  And, even then I
> would need to justify the overage (and is recommended that I do so
> beforehand).  I too plan to do some of the work myself to pay for
> upgrades.  But hopefully, not have to have to get the contractor to
> collect the money and then pay me.  I'll have to discuss this with the
> insurance company in more detail.  Because, this contractor's numbers
> don't add up and I don't think I can count on him to pay me for my
> contribution.
>
> --- In vegetablegrowersplot@yahoogroups.com, "elyseandjoe"
> <elyseandjoe@...> wrote:
>>
>> we had a huge fire about 17 years ago. What we had was the full
>> replacement
>> insurance so I order work that repair EXACTLY what was there. The
>> insurance
>> comapny will not pay for upgrades. We even had to bargin with the
>> insurance
>> to make they pay what we repaired. Be very careful. This guy sounds like
>> someone who you mu=ight what to walk away from. What I did was negotiate
>> with the builder for some of the things by doing some of the work he was
>> paying to have done and using the money he got from the insurance company
>> towards upgrades. For instance, I washed all the smoke damage, etc. off
>> the
>> kitchen cabinets, the insurance company paid him a 1000.00 and he used it
>> to
>> upgade our garage roof. Get it all in writing first. hth, elyse
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "thewall62801" <no_reply@yahoogroups.com>
>> To: <vegetablegrowersplot@yahoogroups.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 5:22 PM
>> Subject: [Vegetable Growers Plot] OT; the rebuilding begins (or not)
>>
>>
>> > The contractor that I was hoping to work with on most of this
>> > rebuilding
>> > was telling me that I could get everything that the insurance said
>> > they'd
>> > pay for, plus other things that I wanted to improve; ALL for the price
>> > that the insurance total payment would be.
>> > And, in addition to all that, he started telling me that I should
>> > upgrade
>> > to 200A electric panel in a new location and reside the whole house
>> > because I could do that too (all within the insurance budget, or well
>> > worth the slightly more amount but way worth it to do).
>> >
>> > Then, he started calling me within days of the fire and telling me that
>> > I
>> > needed to let him go ahead and order windows and kitchen cabinets and
>> > start on installing the 200A panel right away.  Even though windows nor
>> > electric upgrade nor relocation were included in the insurance amount
>> > AND
>> > I still had holes in my floors that had not even been temporarily
>> > patched
>> > and no heat.  Oh yea, and he seemed to think I could finance a new HVAc
>> > system with the money he was sure we could go back and hit up the
>> > insurance company to fork out for (in misc fees here and there).
>> >
>> > So, I told him that I would consider some of these upgrades and
>> > additinal
>> > work if the buget allows.  But, that in the meantime I wanted to stick
>> > to
>> > what I NEEDED done and that if I could see on his written estimate
>> > where I
>> > was coming in under the insurance estimate in some places where I was
>> > coming in under the insurance estimate and could therefore pay for
>> > these
>> > other thing....I would be more apt to go ahead with them.  And then, I
>> > reiterated that I needed a line item listing of the major things
>> > needing
>> > done with labor and material and could see where I would be able to pay
>> > for these other thing....I would be more apt to go ahead with them.
>> > And
>> > then told him that I needed a line item listing of the major things
>> > needing done with labor and material separated so that I could go
>> > shopping
>> > and pick out my own windows and cabinets and would know how much he had
>> > budgeted in.
>> >
>> > What I got was 8 to 10 word descriptions of work categories like: "put
>> > in
>> > kitchen cabinets, sink and faucet"..."remove old siding, patch holes
>> > and
>> > reside"....and "windows"  and; here's the clincher:
>> >
>> > that overall estimate total was within dollars of the entire insurance
>> > amount and did NOT include that 200A service, the whole house residing,
>> > or
>> > even things that were included; like...dumpster, cleaning drapes and
>> > clothes and contents, that I would have to do or pay someone else to do
>> > in
>> > addition to his work AND upon discussion of just the cabinets (for
>> > instance) the price (that remains UN iremized in lump sum labor &
>> > mat'l);
>> > he tells me that they are UNfinished and that I would need to do the
>> > staining, painting, or whatever.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ------------------------------------
>> >
>> > Yahoo! Groups Links
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

I agree, I don't like his fuzzy math.  I too may be doing a lot of the work
myself instead.  And, if I can't get paid without a receipt... my 2nd option may
be to divy out all of the work; sub-contractor by sub-contractor.  Because this
guy's estimates are way too ambiguous and his math doesn't add up. 
Forunately...Lowes (for instance) offers ihnstallation by their
approved/qualified subcontractors.  So, that may be one way to divy out the work
(or at least use to negotiate his and others' prices.

In fact, because I went cabinet shopping at Lowes yesterday I found out some
valuable information:  "A"  the labor to install cabinets and counter was quoted
as $800.  So, now I have a price for labor to negotiate with.  "B"  the material
price savings between using in-stock finished cabinets (with lower materials and
quality) and semi-custom better quality material and quality was $75.00!!!! 
And...compared to Buchheit's semi-custom quality cabinets the "in-stock"
cabinets (with only solid wood fronts vs solid wood dovetail joints and plywood
sides) was actually $329.00 MORE!!!!  I actually had a friend check my figures
and price comparison spreadsheet to make sure my figures were correct.   "c" 
The UN-finished in-stovk cabinets that the contractor was proposing (that I
would have to stain and varnish myself) was only $307 less than the Buchheit
semi-custome cabinets.

call me stupid but....I would have to think that if we are basically talking
about the same number and types of cabinets; that the installation factor would
have to be about the same.  Therefore, it seems rediculous for me to save $307
for lower quality cabinets and spend hours and hours finishing them to boot!! 
And it would be even stupider to pay $329.00 more for wood face(only) in-stock
cabinets with stapled joints and osb frames vs solid wood face, dovetail joints,
and plywood sides/framed semi-custome cabinets.

I'm sure glad my contractor friend from down South that I;ve been talking to;
told me to go to Buchheit and price their cabinets.  And, I;m sure glad that me
and a friend went to Lowes yesterday and took down the prices of in-stock
finished and unfinished cabinets while I was getting a comparable quote of
semi-custom cabinets from the cabinet specialist!!!




--- In vegetablegrowersplot@yahoogroups.com, "Smart Red" <smartredd@...> wrote:
>
> Like the others, I've had a fire and know how exacting working with an
insurance company can be.  Because we did most of our own repairs, and we used
our own materials,we couldn't get paid for most of the work.  No receipt, no
pay.
>
> I suggest that what he's suggesting is insurance fraud.  If it doesn't work in
the end,  you may be left holding a very large bag.  Be careful, girlfriend.
>
> Linn in Wi
>
> --- In vegetablegrowersplot@yahoogroups.com, thewall62801 <no_reply@> wrote:
The contractor that I was hoping to work with on most of this rebuilding was
telling me that I could get everything that the insurance said they'd pay for,
plus other things that I wanted to improve; ALL for the price that the insurance
total payment would be.
>

Fortunately, I got/get the check not the contractor.  And, from what I
understand, I only need a receipt if I want more than what the insurance company
has listed that it will pay to "repair/replace".  And, even then I would need to
justify the overage (and is recommended that I do so beforehand).  I too plan to
do some of the work myself to pay for upgrades.  But hopefully, not have to have
to get the contractor to collect the money and then pay me.  I'll have to
discuss this with the insurance company in more detail.  Because, this
contractor's numbers don't add up and I don't think I can count on him to pay me
for my contribution.

--- In vegetablegrowersplot@yahoogroups.com, "elyseandjoe" <elyseandjoe@...>
wrote:
>
> we had a huge fire about 17 years ago. What we had was the full replacement
> insurance so I order work that repair EXACTLY what was there. The insurance
> comapny will not pay for upgrades. We even had to bargin with the insurance
> to make they pay what we repaired. Be very careful. This guy sounds like
> someone who you mu=ight what to walk away from. What I did was negotiate
> with the builder for some of the things by doing some of the work he was
> paying to have done and using the money he got from the insurance company
> towards upgrades. For instance, I washed all the smoke damage, etc. off the
> kitchen cabinets, the insurance company paid him a 1000.00 and he used it to
> upgade our garage roof. Get it all in writing first. hth, elyse
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "thewall62801" <no_reply@yahoogroups.com>
> To: <vegetablegrowersplot@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 5:22 PM
> Subject: [Vegetable Growers Plot] OT; the rebuilding begins (or not)
>
>
> > The contractor that I was hoping to work with on most of this rebuilding
> > was telling me that I could get everything that the insurance said they'd
> > pay for, plus other things that I wanted to improve; ALL for the price
> > that the insurance total payment would be.
> > And, in addition to all that, he started telling me that I should upgrade
> > to 200A electric panel in a new location and reside the whole house
> > because I could do that too (all within the insurance budget, or well
> > worth the slightly more amount but way worth it to do).
> >
> > Then, he started calling me within days of the fire and telling me that I
> > needed to let him go ahead and order windows and kitchen cabinets and
> > start on installing the 200A panel right away.  Even though windows nor
> > electric upgrade nor relocation were included in the insurance amount AND
> > I still had holes in my floors that had not even been temporarily patched
> > and no heat.  Oh yea, and he seemed to think I could finance a new HVAc
> > system with the money he was sure we could go back and hit up the
> > insurance company to fork out for (in misc fees here and there).
> >
> > So, I told him that I would consider some of these upgrades and additinal
> > work if the buget allows.  But, that in the meantime I wanted to stick to
> > what I NEEDED done and that if I could see on his written estimate where I
> > was coming in under the insurance estimate in some places where I was
> > coming in under the insurance estimate and could therefore pay for these
> > other thing....I would be more apt to go ahead with them.  And then, I
> > reiterated that I needed a line item listing of the major things needing
> > done with labor and material and could see where I would be able to pay
> > for these other thing....I would be more apt to go ahead with them.  And
> > then told him that I needed a line item listing of the major things
> > needing done with labor and material separated so that I could go shopping
> > and pick out my own windows and cabinets and would know how much he had
> > budgeted in.
> >
> > What I got was 8 to 10 word descriptions of work categories like: "put in
> > kitchen cabinets, sink and faucet"..."remove old siding, patch holes and
> > reside"....and "windows"  and; here's the clincher:
> >
> > that overall estimate total was within dollars of the entire insurance
> > amount and did NOT include that 200A service, the whole house residing, or
> > even things that were included; like...dumpster, cleaning drapes and
> > clothes and contents, that I would have to do or pay someone else to do in
> > addition to his work AND upon discussion of just the cabinets (for
> > instance) the price (that remains UN iremized in lump sum labor & mat'l);
> > he tells me that they are UNfinished and that I would need to do the
> > staining, painting, or whatever.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
>

Like the others, I've had a fire and know how exacting working with an insurance
company can be.  Because we did most of our own repairs, and we used our own
materials,we couldn't get paid for most of the work.  No receipt, no pay.

I suggest that what he's suggesting is insurance fraud.  If it doesn't work in
the end,  you may be left holding a very large bag.  Be careful, girlfriend.

Linn in Wi

--- In vegetablegrowersplot@yahoogroups.com, thewall62801 <no_reply@...> wrote:
The contractor that I was hoping to work with on most of this rebuilding was
telling me that I could get everything that the insurance said they'd pay for,
plus other things that I wanted to improve; ALL for the price that the insurance
total payment would be.

we had a huge fire about 17 years ago. What we had was the full replacement
insurance so I order work that repair EXACTLY what was there. The insurance
comapny will not pay for upgrades. We even had to bargin with the insurance
to make they pay what we repaired. Be very careful. This guy sounds like
someone who you mu=ight what to walk away from. What I did was negotiate
with the builder for some of the things by doing some of the work he was
paying to have done and using the money he got from the insurance company
towards upgrades. For instance, I washed all the smoke damage, etc. off the
kitchen cabinets, the insurance company paid him a 1000.00 and he used it to
upgade our garage roof. Get it all in writing first. hth, elyse
----- Original Message -----
From: "thewall62801" <no_reply@yahoogroups.com>
To: <vegetablegrowersplot@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 5:22 PM
Subject: [Vegetable Growers Plot] OT; the rebuilding begins (or not)


> The contractor that I was hoping to work with on most of this rebuilding
> was telling me that I could get everything that the insurance said they'd
> pay for, plus other things that I wanted to improve; ALL for the price
> that the insurance total payment would be.
> And, in addition to all that, he started telling me that I should upgrade
> to 200A electric panel in a new location and reside the whole house
> because I could do that too (all within the insurance budget, or well
> worth the slightly more amount but way worth it to do).
>
> Then, he started calling me within days of the fire and telling me that I
> needed to let him go ahead and order windows and kitchen cabinets and
> start on installing the 200A panel right away.  Even though windows nor
> electric upgrade nor relocation were included in the insurance amount AND
> I still had holes in my floors that had not even been temporarily patched
> and no heat.  Oh yea, and he seemed to think I could finance a new HVAc
> system with the money he was sure we could go back and hit up the
> insurance company to fork out for (in misc fees here and there).
>
> So, I told him that I would consider some of these upgrades and additinal
> work if the buget allows.  But, that in the meantime I wanted to stick to
> what I NEEDED done and that if I could see on his written estimate where I
> was coming in under the insurance estimate in some places where I was
> coming in under the insurance estimate and could therefore pay for these
> other thing....I would be more apt to go ahead with them.  And then, I
> reiterated that I needed a line item listing of the major things needing
> done with labor and material and could see where I would be able to pay
> for these other thing....I would be more apt to go ahead with them.  And
> then told him that I needed a line item listing of the major things
> needing done with labor and material separated so that I could go shopping
> and pick out my own windows and cabinets and would know how much he had
> budgeted in.
>
> What I got was 8 to 10 word descriptions of work categories like: "put in
> kitchen cabinets, sink and faucet"..."remove old siding, patch holes and
> reside"....and "windows"  and; here's the clincher:
>
> that overall estimate total was within dollars of the entire insurance
> amount and did NOT include that 200A service, the whole house residing, or
> even things that were included; like...dumpster, cleaning drapes and
> clothes and contents, that I would have to do or pay someone else to do in
> addition to his work AND upon discussion of just the cabinets (for
> instance) the price (that remains UN iremized in lump sum labor & mat'l);
> he tells me that they are UNfinished and that I would need to do the
> staining, painting, or whatever.
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

The contractor that I was hoping to work with on most of this rebuilding was
telling me that I could get everything that the insurance said they'd pay for,
plus other things that I wanted to improve; ALL for the price that the insurance
total payment would be.
And, in addition to all that, he started telling me that I should upgrade to
200A electric panel in a new location and reside the whole house because I could
do that too (all within the insurance budget, or well worth the slightly more
amount but way worth it to do).

Then, he started calling me within days of the fire and telling me that I needed
to let him go ahead and order windows and kitchen cabinets and start on
installing the 200A panel right away.  Even though windows nor electric upgrade
nor relocation were included in the insurance amount AND I still had holes in my
floors that had not even been temporarily patched and no heat.  Oh yea, and he
seemed to think I could finance a new HVAc system with the money he was sure we
could go back and hit up the insurance company to fork out for (in misc fees
here and there).

So, I told him that I would consider some of these upgrades and additinal work
if the buget allows.  But, that in the meantime I wanted to stick to what I
NEEDED done and that if I could see on his written estimate where I was coming
in under the insurance estimate in some places where I was coming in under the
insurance estimate and could therefore pay for these other thing....I would be
more apt to go ahead with them.  And then, I reiterated that I needed a line
item listing of the major things needing done with labor and material and could
see where I would be able to pay for these other thing....I would be more apt to
go ahead with them.  And then told him that I needed a line item listing of the
major things needing done with labor and material separated so that I could go
shopping and pick out my own windows and cabinets and would know how much he had
budgeted in.

What I got was 8 to 10 word descriptions of work categories like: "put in
kitchen cabinets, sink and faucet"..."remove old siding, patch holes and
reside"....and "windows"  and; here's the clincher:

that overall estimate total was within dollars of the entire insurance amount
and did NOT include that 200A service, the whole house residing, or even things
that were included; like...dumpster, cleaning drapes and clothes and contents,
that I would have to do or pay someone else to do in addition to his work AND
upon discussion of just the cabinets (for instance) the price (that remains UN
iremized in lump sum labor & mat'l); he tells me that they are UNfinished and
that I would need to do the staining, painting, or whatever.

Question of the Day
Sunday January 3, 2010

Is your Winter; wetter than normal? drier than normal? or about normal?

The winter so far is probably a little wetter than usual. But it is mostly
colder than usual.

So far it reminds me of the winters long past when, as youngsters, we spent our
leisure time sleigh riding and ice skating.  I believe it was the winter of
1947/1948 that the ice was 22" thick on the Ohio River here.  One winter back in
the 1970's there were 19 consecutive days that the temperature never got up to 0
degrees in Durbin, WV.  After the big freeze they found dead wild turkeys that
had frozen to death and the carcasses were still clutching the limbs where they
were roosting.

Lorrin
WV

--- In vegetablegrowersplot@yahoogroups.com, "Ruthie Dyer" <rastlefratz@...>
wrote:
>
> I am not a bug eater either. Hee hee. The deer eat apples from my neighbor's
little scrub tree and the squirrels and raccoons take care of them too. They are
little hard nasty things. He doesn't spray, so they are gnarled and just plain
bad apples. The only fruited things I grow are deciduous holly which gets nice
red berries and barberry, also with red berries and roses that make rose hips.
All good for bird food. Since we are a wildlife habitat, I try to make sure to
plant to sustain the birds. I also leave the gone-to-seed perennials at the end
of the season. The finches love the seed heads. Buy the way, Shadow, you are not
so old. I will be 65 in April. Groan!
>
> Ruthie

You are both just kids........hehehehehe!

Lorrin
WV

I had a scratchy throat that progressed to a sinus cold for christmas that
turned pretty bad for a few days.  I used frozen berries that I allowed to
slowly thaw at the back of my mouth to numb the throat and a cold pack arcross
my nose/face to reduce the swelling on my nasal cavities, and aspirin to reduce
inflamation and pain in throat and sinus.  All in all, that method seemed to
work just as good as the otc meds that a friend picked up and delivered on day
3.  In fact, I went back to that on day 4 and was on the mend by day 6.  (I'm
STILL blowing my nose and sneezing frquently though).
Hang in there and get well soon!  I hope it doesn't get too bad.

--- In vegetablegrowersplot@yahoogroups.com, "Shardow" <Shadow@...> wrote:
>
>  I looked at the home page for the group and see the first page of messages.
> I posted when I joined in May 1999. That's the first time I joined the group
>  I think I left my groups when it just got to be too much trying to keep a
> dial up connection going when I was on the road back then. And I could not
> stand being out of the group so came back LOL
>
> I hope you will feel better and enjoy watching football games although you
> are home alone. Get out the salt water and gargle away that hurty throat!
>
> Shadow
>
> -------Original Message-------
>
> From: cardshooterator
> Date: 1/1/2010 1:02:08 PM
> To: vegetablegrowersplot@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Vegetable Growers Plot] Re: HAPPY NEW YEAR TO ALL
>
> You too Shadow!
>
> Lorrin
>
> --- In vegetablegrowersplot@yahoogroups.com, "Shardow" <Shadow@> wrote:
> >
> > I also want to wish everyone a Happy and prosperous new year! May you,
> your
> > families and friends all have good health and wealth throughout the new
> > year!
> >
> > Shadow
> >
>
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