As the holiday season arrives, we're always involved in compiling results of the
York/Rock Hill Christmas Bird Count, so that's the topic of the 22-28 December
2009 installment of "This Week at Hilton Pond." Our final numbers weren't all
that great, but we did manage to get a few photos of birds we
observed--including an image of an adult Red-shouldered Hawk. To view the photo
essay, please visit http://www.hiltonpond.org/ThisWeek091222.html and then
scroll down for our usual list of banded birds and miscellaneous notes about
bird scarcity and torrential rains.
Happy (Holiday) Nature Watching!
BILL
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EDUCATION PROGRAM
BILL HILTON JR. Executive Director
Hilton Pond Center for Piedmont Natural History
1432 DeVinney Road, York, South Carolina 29745 USA
(803) 684-5852
The mission of Hilton Pond Center for Piedmont Natural History is "to conserve
plants, animals, habitats, and other natural components of the Piedmont Region
of the eastern United States through observation, scientific study, and
education for students of all ages.od (details on Web site).
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There's a new 3rd edition of Dick Young's book that came out in 2007. Pat C. is right--it's an excellent book.
Pat Hill
On Dec 29, 2009, at 9:33 PM, PatriciaC wrote:
I have one for you. Young, Dick 1994. "Kane County Wild Plants and Natural Areas" Kane Co. forest Preserve Dist., Geneva, IL Excellent illustrated identification book for local native plants and weeds including grasses, sedges, rishes, trees, shrubs and vines as well as wildflowers. Also info on wehre to see native plants in the preserved natural areas.
--- Inwildonesnativeplants@yahoogroups.com, "Kathleen Partridge" <atelierk@...> wrote: > > Yikes! Sounds ambitious! > > > > If I'm understanding you correctly, it sounds like you're putting together > something along the lines of the New York Natural Heritage Program > (website). This is a partnership between the NYS DEC and The Nature > Conservancy. Not sure if The Nature Conservancy partners with other states > on similar websites, but I thought I'd mention it in case you'd be > duplicating something that might already be out there. You can see the NY > website here:http://www.acris.nynhp.org/.The advanced search county page > is here:http://www.acris.nynhp.org/search.php > > > > -Kathy > > > > From:wildonesnativeplants@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:wildonesnativeplants@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of guloguloguy > Sent: Monday, December 28, 2009 7:01 PM > To:wildonesnativeplants@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [Wild Ones] "Help"....(nothing to do with the Beatles, or the > Beetles) > > > > > > Hey!, I'm SLOWLY compiling all of the data I need - to compose a > "relational" database, (using Windows Access), of all of the (Native) plant > species distribution map info, for Illinois, and would like to > (ultimately)include the same type of info for all of the counties of the > surrounding states/Prairie states. (WI,MI,MN,IA,IN,OH,MO,...?) > For the species of Illinois, I have (a copy of) the book: "Distrubution of > Vascular Plant Species of Illinois, by R. Mohlenbrock, an D. Ladd > > Are any of you aware of any similar, or otherwise useful books for the other > states that you could recommend using- I basically need to know which > specific Native plant species are/were originally found in each of the > state's counties. Perhaps there is a way to get lists of species > found/contained in the various botanical collections around the states, > universities, etc.,....?) > This is a tedious task to be sure- but since I'm making use of my > "unscheduled time off" from work (aka: unemployment), and trying to learn to > use my old computer, I guess I can poke along at my own pace. > > Hopefully, when I get it all done, (unless someone else beats me to it!), I > hope to (someday) have a very useful database- from which one could search > for a variety of info on your particular county, or several together, and > further refine your plant search by Plant Family, Wetland-(Messic-Upland) > preferences, as well as perhaps, (if I'm unemployed long enough) - even find > the various moth& butterfly/caterpillar species that are specifically > dependent on any particular plant species, or families. > By putting it together- one could find out very quickly and easily which > plant species Should be planted in your locale- and know which specific > butterfly/moth species that will benefit by your researched plant list. Or, > if you want to help out a specific buterfly that is Native to your county, > then you could plant 'these' local plants in your Upland conditions, or > something else- in your wetland area, or rain garden. > > I hope it all comes together well- but I've got a long way to go yet! > Whew! > That's just the description of what I am envisioning- Imagine what it's > going to take to compile all of that data! > Your suggestions welcomed! > (Thank me, later!) >
I have one for you. Young, Dick 1994. "Kane County Wild Plants and Natural
Areas" Kane Co. forest Preserve Dist., Geneva, IL Excellent illustrated
identification book for local native plants and weeds including grasses, sedges,
rishes, trees, shrubs and vines as well as wildflowers. Also info on wehre to
see native plants in the preserved natural areas.
--- In wildonesnativeplants@yahoogroups.com, "Kathleen Partridge" <atelierk@...>
wrote:
>
> Yikes! Sounds ambitious!
>
>
>
> If I'm understanding you correctly, it sounds like you're putting together
> something along the lines of the New York Natural Heritage Program
> (website). This is a partnership between the NYS DEC and The Nature
> Conservancy. Not sure if The Nature Conservancy partners with other states
> on similar websites, but I thought I'd mention it in case you'd be
> duplicating something that might already be out there. You can see the NY
> website here: http://www.acris.nynhp.org/. The advanced search county page
> is here: http://www.acris.nynhp.org/search.php
>
>
>
> -Kathy
>
>
>
> From: wildonesnativeplants@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:wildonesnativeplants@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of guloguloguy
> Sent: Monday, December 28, 2009 7:01 PM
> To: wildonesnativeplants@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Wild Ones] "Help"....(nothing to do with the Beatles, or the
> Beetles)
>
>
>
>
>
> Hey!, I'm SLOWLY compiling all of the data I need - to compose a
> "relational" database, (using Windows Access), of all of the (Native) plant
> species distribution map info, for Illinois, and would like to
> (ultimately)include the same type of info for all of the counties of the
> surrounding states/Prairie states. (WI,MI,MN,IA,IN,OH,MO,...?)
> For the species of Illinois, I have (a copy of) the book: "Distrubution of
> Vascular Plant Species of Illinois, by R. Mohlenbrock, an D. Ladd
>
> Are any of you aware of any similar, or otherwise useful books for the other
> states that you could recommend using- I basically need to know which
> specific Native plant species are/were originally found in each of the
> state's counties. Perhaps there is a way to get lists of species
> found/contained in the various botanical collections around the states,
> universities, etc.,....?)
> This is a tedious task to be sure- but since I'm making use of my
> "unscheduled time off" from work (aka: unemployment), and trying to learn to
> use my old computer, I guess I can poke along at my own pace.
>
> Hopefully, when I get it all done, (unless someone else beats me to it!), I
> hope to (someday) have a very useful database- from which one could search
> for a variety of info on your particular county, or several together, and
> further refine your plant search by Plant Family, Wetland-(Messic-Upland)
> preferences, as well as perhaps, (if I'm unemployed long enough) - even find
> the various moth& butterfly/caterpillar species that are specifically
> dependent on any particular plant species, or families.
> By putting it together- one could find out very quickly and easily which
> plant species Should be planted in your locale- and know which specific
> butterfly/moth species that will benefit by your researched plant list. Or,
> if you want to help out a specific buterfly that is Native to your county,
> then you could plant 'these' local plants in your Upland conditions, or
> something else- in your wetland area, or rain garden.
>
> I hope it all comes together well- but I've got a long way to go yet!
> Whew!
> That's just the description of what I am envisioning- Imagine what it's
> going to take to compile all of that data!
> Your suggestions welcomed!
> (Thank me, later!)
>
Guloguloguy: Here's the website for Ohio Natural Areas & Preserves for rare plants in Ohio. It also lists plant species for eco-regions:www.dnr.state.oh.us/tabid/2018/Default.aspx Denise
From: Natives.Tim <natives.tim@...> To: wildonesnativeplants@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, December 29, 2009 11:22:00 AM Subject: RE: [Wild Ones] "Help"....(nothing to do with the Beatles, or the Beetles)
Hello,
I think you will be doing work that numerous people and agencies
have already done. The first one that comes to mind is http://plants. usda.gov/ index.html
. This link and several others are listed in our discussion group in the Links
section. I am fairly confident your work would be redundant to some of the leading
experts in the field. Any of us can easily access thousands of files on native
plants on the internet.
Tim
List owner
From:
wildonesnativeplant s@yahoogroups. com
[mailto:wildonesnat iveplants@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of guloguloguy Sent: Monday, December 28, 2009 6:01 PM To: wildonesnativeplant s@yahoogroups. com Subject: [Wild Ones] "Help"....(nothing to do with the
Beatles, or the Beetles)
Hey!, I'm SLOWLY compiling all of the data I
need - to compose a "relational" database, (using Windows Access), of
all of the (Native) plant species distribution map info, for Illinois, and
would like to (ultimately) include the same type of info for all of the counties
of the surrounding states/Prairie states. (WI,MI,MN,IA, IN,OH,MO, ...?)
For the species of Illinois, I have (a copy of) the book: "Distrubution of
Vascular Plant Species of Illinois, by R. Mohlenbrock, an D. Ladd
Are any of you aware of any similar, or otherwise useful books for the other
states that you could recommend using- I basically need to know which specific
Native plant species are/were originally found in each of the state's counties.
Perhaps there is a way to get lists of species found/contained in the various
botanical collections around the states, universities, etc.,....?)
This is a tedious task to be sure- but since I'm making use of my
"unscheduled time off" from work (aka: unemployment) , and trying to
learn to use my old computer, I guess I can poke along at my own pace.
Hopefully, when I get it all done, (unless someone else beats me to it!), I
hope to (someday) have a very useful database- from which one could search for
a variety of info on your particular county, or several together, and further
refine your plant search by Plant Family, Wetland-(Messic- Upland) preferences,
as well as perhaps, (if I'm unemployed long enough) - even find the various
moth& butterfly/caterpill ar species that are specifically dependent on any
particular plant species, or families.
By putting it together- one could find out very quickly and easily which plant
species Should be planted in your locale- and know which specific
butterfly/moth species that will benefit by your researched plant list. Or, if
you want to help out a specific buterfly that is Native to your county, then
you could plant 'these' local plants in your Upland conditions, or something
else- in your wetland area, or rain garden.
I hope it all comes together well- but I've got a long way to go yet!
Whew!
That's just the description of what I am envisioning- Imagine what it's going
to take to compile all of that data!
Your suggestions welcomed!
(Thank me, later!)
Thanks Kathy for the link. I added to our Links folder.
Tim
List owner
From:
wildonesnativeplants@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:wildonesnativeplants@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Kathleen
Partridge Sent: Monday, December 28, 2009 6:37 PM To: wildonesnativeplants@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Wild Ones] "Help"....(nothing to do with the
Beatles, or the Beetles)
Yikes! Sounds ambitious!
If I’m understanding you
correctly, it sounds like you’re putting together something along the
lines of the New York Natural Heritage Program (website). This is a partnership
between the NYS DEC and The Nature Conservancy. Not sure if The Nature
Conservancy partners with other states on similar websites, but I thought
I’d mention it in case you’d be duplicating something that might
already be out there. You can see the NY website here: http://www.acris.nynhp.org/. The
advanced search county page is here: http://www.acris.nynhp.org/search.php
-Kathy
From:
wildonesnativeplants@yahoogroups.com [mailto:wildonesnativeplants@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of guloguloguy Sent: Monday, December 28, 2009 7:01 PM To: wildonesnativeplants@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Wild Ones] "Help"....(nothing to do with the
Beatles, or the Beetles)
Hey!, I'm SLOWLY compiling all of the data I need - to compose a
"relational" database, (using Windows Access), of all of the (Native)
plant species distribution map info, for Illinois, and would like to
(ultimately)include the same type of info for all of the counties of the
surrounding states/Prairie states. (WI,MI,MN,IA,IN,OH,MO,...?)
For the species of Illinois, I have (a copy of) the book: "Distrubution of
Vascular Plant Species of Illinois, by R. Mohlenbrock, an D. Ladd
Are any of you aware of any similar, or otherwise useful books for the other
states that you could recommend using- I basically need to know which specific
Native plant species are/were originally found in each of the state's counties.
Perhaps there is a way to get lists of species found/contained in the various
botanical collections around the states, universities, etc.,....?)
This is a tedious task to be sure- but since I'm making use of my
"unscheduled time off" from work (aka: unemployment), and trying to
learn to use my old computer, I guess I can poke along at my own pace.
Hopefully, when I get it all done, (unless someone else beats me to it!), I
hope to (someday) have a very useful database- from which one could search for
a variety of info on your particular county, or several together, and further
refine your plant search by Plant Family, Wetland-(Messic-Upland) preferences,
as well as perhaps, (if I'm unemployed long enough) - even find the various
moth& butterfly/caterpillar species that are specifically dependent on any
particular plant species, or families.
By putting it together- one could find out very quickly and easily which plant
species Should be planted in your locale- and know which specific
butterfly/moth species that will benefit by your researched plant list. Or, if
you want to help out a specific buterfly that is Native to your county, then
you could plant 'these' local plants in your Upland conditions, or something
else- in your wetland area, or rain garden.
I hope it all comes together well- but I've got a long way to go yet!
Whew!
That's just the description of what I am envisioning- Imagine what it's going
to take to compile all of that data!
Your suggestions welcomed!
(Thank me, later!)
I think you will be doing work that numerous people and agencies
have already done. The first one that comes to mind is http://plants.usda.gov/index.html
. This link and several others are listed in our discussion group in the Links
section. I am fairly confident your work would be redundant to some of the leading
experts in the field. Any of us can easily access thousands of files on native
plants on the internet.
Tim
List owner
From:
wildonesnativeplants@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:wildonesnativeplants@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of guloguloguy Sent: Monday, December 28, 2009 6:01 PM To: wildonesnativeplants@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Wild Ones] "Help"....(nothing to do with the
Beatles, or the Beetles)
Hey!, I'm SLOWLY compiling all of the data I
need - to compose a "relational" database, (using Windows Access), of
all of the (Native) plant species distribution map info, for Illinois, and
would like to (ultimately)include the same type of info for all of the counties
of the surrounding states/Prairie states. (WI,MI,MN,IA,IN,OH,MO,...?)
For the species of Illinois, I have (a copy of) the book: "Distrubution of
Vascular Plant Species of Illinois, by R. Mohlenbrock, an D. Ladd
Are any of you aware of any similar, or otherwise useful books for the other
states that you could recommend using- I basically need to know which specific
Native plant species are/were originally found in each of the state's counties.
Perhaps there is a way to get lists of species found/contained in the various
botanical collections around the states, universities, etc.,....?)
This is a tedious task to be sure- but since I'm making use of my
"unscheduled time off" from work (aka: unemployment), and trying to
learn to use my old computer, I guess I can poke along at my own pace.
Hopefully, when I get it all done, (unless someone else beats me to it!), I
hope to (someday) have a very useful database- from which one could search for
a variety of info on your particular county, or several together, and further
refine your plant search by Plant Family, Wetland-(Messic-Upland) preferences,
as well as perhaps, (if I'm unemployed long enough) - even find the various
moth& butterfly/caterpillar species that are specifically dependent on any
particular plant species, or families.
By putting it together- one could find out very quickly and easily which plant
species Should be planted in your locale- and know which specific
butterfly/moth species that will benefit by your researched plant list. Or, if
you want to help out a specific buterfly that is Native to your county, then
you could plant 'these' local plants in your Upland conditions, or something
else- in your wetland area, or rain garden.
I hope it all comes together well- but I've got a long way to go yet!
Whew!
That's just the description of what I am envisioning- Imagine what it's going
to take to compile all of that data!
Your suggestions welcomed!
(Thank me, later!)
Few suggestions and supported by Denise's lists:
Bergamot (Monarda fistulosa)
Swamp Milkweed (Asclepias incarnata)
Joe Pye Weed (Eupatorium maculatum)
Boneset (Eupatorium perfoliatum)
Blue Flag Iris (Iris versicolor)
Blazing star (Liatris spicata)
I'm not sure about cardinal flower (Lobelia cardinalis) deer resistance but it
should be in every rain garden :)
Good luck and be sure to let us know what you plant and how they survive the
deer.
TomS
--- On Wed, 12/16/09, megbergen <mbergen@...> wrote:
From: megbergen <mbergen@...>
Subject: [Wild Ones] Rain Garden plants Deer don't like
To: wildonesnativeplants@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, December 16, 2009, 3:04 PM
Â
Hi. I have a challenge - I am designing a rain garden in an area that deer
frequent - they walk through there and probably drink from there - I'm looking
for any native rain garden plants for the midwest (St. Louis) that are not liked
very much by deer. I wondered if anyone had any suggestions? The client likes
prairie and native plants.
Meg
If I’m understanding you correctly, it sounds like you’re
putting together something along the lines of the New York Natural Heritage
Program (website). This is a partnership between the NYS DEC and The Nature
Conservancy. Not sure if The Nature Conservancy partners with other states on
similar websites, but I thought I’d mention it in case you’d be duplicating something
that might already be out there. You can see the NY website here: http://www.acris.nynhp.org/. The advanced
search county page is here: http://www.acris.nynhp.org/search.php
-Kathy
From:
wildonesnativeplants@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:wildonesnativeplants@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of guloguloguy Sent: Monday, December 28, 2009 7:01 PM To: wildonesnativeplants@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Wild Ones] "Help"....(nothing to do with the
Beatles, or the Beetles)
Hey!, I'm SLOWLY compiling all of the data I
need - to compose a "relational" database, (using Windows Access), of
all of the (Native) plant species distribution map info, for Illinois, and
would like to (ultimately)include the same type of info for all of the counties
of the surrounding states/Prairie states. (WI,MI,MN,IA,IN,OH,MO,...?)
For the species of Illinois, I have (a copy of) the book: "Distrubution of
Vascular Plant Species of Illinois, by R. Mohlenbrock, an D. Ladd
Are any of you aware of any similar, or otherwise useful books for the other
states that you could recommend using- I basically need to know which specific
Native plant species are/were originally found in each of the state's counties.
Perhaps there is a way to get lists of species found/contained in the various
botanical collections around the states, universities, etc.,....?)
This is a tedious task to be sure- but since I'm making use of my
"unscheduled time off" from work (aka: unemployment), and trying to
learn to use my old computer, I guess I can poke along at my own pace.
Hopefully, when I get it all done, (unless someone else beats me to it!), I
hope to (someday) have a very useful database- from which one could search for
a variety of info on your particular county, or several together, and further
refine your plant search by Plant Family, Wetland-(Messic-Upland) preferences,
as well as perhaps, (if I'm unemployed long enough) - even find the various
moth& butterfly/caterpillar species that are specifically dependent on any
particular plant species, or families.
By putting it together- one could find out very quickly and easily which plant
species Should be planted in your locale- and know which specific
butterfly/moth species that will benefit by your researched plant list. Or, if
you want to help out a specific buterfly that is Native to your county, then
you could plant 'these' local plants in your Upland conditions, or something
else- in your wetland area, or rain garden.
I hope it all comes together well- but I've got a long way to go yet!
Whew!
That's just the description of what I am envisioning- Imagine what it's going
to take to compile all of that data!
Your suggestions welcomed!
(Thank me, later!)
Hey!, I'm SLOWLY compiling all of the data I need - to compose a "relational"
database, (using Windows Access), of all of the (Native) plant species
distribution map info, for Illinois, and would like to (ultimately)include the
same type of info for all of the counties of the surrounding states/Prairie
states. (WI,MI,MN,IA,IN,OH,MO,...?)
For the species of Illinois, I have (a copy of) the book: "Distrubution of
Vascular Plant Species of Illinois, by R. Mohlenbrock, an D. Ladd
Are any of you aware of any similar, or otherwise useful books for the other
states that you could recommend using- I basically need to know which specific
Native plant species are/were originally found in each of the state's counties.
Perhaps there is a way to get lists of species found/contained in the various
botanical collections around the states, universities, etc.,....?)
This is a tedious task to be sure- but since I'm making use of my "unscheduled
time off" from work (aka: unemployment), and trying to learn to use my old
computer, I guess I can poke along at my own pace.
Hopefully, when I get it all done, (unless someone else beats me to it!), I hope
to (someday) have a very useful database- from which one could search for a
variety of info on your particular county, or several together, and further
refine your plant search by Plant Family, Wetland-(Messic-Upland) preferences,
as well as perhaps, (if I'm unemployed long enough) - even find the various
moth& butterfly/caterpillar species that are specifically dependent on any
particular plant species, or families.
By putting it together- one could find out very quickly and easily which plant
species Should be planted in your locale- and know which specific butterfly/moth
species that will benefit by your researched plant list. Or, if you want to
help out a specific buterfly that is Native to your county, then you could plant
'these' local plants in your Upland conditions, or something else- in your
wetland area, or rain garden.
I hope it all comes together well- but I've got a long way to go yet!
Whew!
That's just the description of what I am envisioning- Imagine what it's going to
take to compile all of that data!
Your suggestions welcomed!
(Thank me, later!)
I don't have to worry about deer in my yard because they cannot make it through the suburban wasteland in which I live. I actually plant things that I hope the animals will eat. Of course the bunnies, squirrels, and birds are unlikely to be able to consume as much as a herd of deer.
-Don
Bartlett, IL
On Dec 18, 2009, at 6:18 PM, Natives.Tim wrote:
Meg,
I suspect that you have not gotten answers because most of us have not found which plants the deer do not like. From my experience, deer have different likes and dislikes, just as humans do. Some years, the deer eat just a few plants and the other years, they eat something else.
Hi. I have a challenge - I am designing a rain garden in an area that deer frequent - they walk through there and probably drink from there - I'm looking for any native rain garden plants for the midwest (St. Louis) that are not liked very much by deer. I wondered if anyone had any suggestions? The client likes prairie and native plants.
Meg: I have attached two two lists which I compiled for the Toledo Ohio area that may be of help to you. The Oak Opening Natives are easily grown and showy plants that are oak savanna and prairie type species that can be used for landscaping. The other list includes woody plants as well. Denise Gehring
From: megbergen <mbergen@...> To: wildonesnativeplants@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, December 16, 2009 3:04:45 PM Subject: [Wild Ones] Rain Garden plants Deer don't like
Hi. I have a challenge - I am designing a rain garden in an area that deer frequent - they walk through there and probably drink from there - I'm looking for any native rain garden plants for the midwest (St. Louis) that are not liked very much by deer. I wondered if anyone had any suggestions? The client likes prairie and native plants.
Here is a list of native plant nurseries in Michigan.
http://www.wildlifegardeners.org/forum/north-american-native-plants/180-north-am\
erican-native-plant-nurseries-united-states-m-z.html
I did not check each nursery, but it's very likely that at least one of these
nurseries carry Ilex verticillata.
--- In wildonesnativeplants@yahoogroups.com, "Natives.Tim" <natives.tim@...>
wrote:
>
> I am forwarding the email below from Sally in the Ann Arbor area. She is
> looking for a source of Michigan Holly.
>
>
>
> Tim
>
> List owner
>
>
>
> From: Sally Rutzky [mailto:sr@...]
> Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 1:07 PM
> To: Wild Ones Ann Arbor Chapter
> Subject: [wild.ones] Michigan Holly
>
>
>
> http://www.scottarboretum.org/seasons/winter/07-big.jpg
> <http://www.scottarboretum.org/seasons/winter/07-big.jpg>
> http://www.scottarboretum.org/seasons/winter/07-big.jpg
>
> Ilex verticillata, or Michigan Holly is a glorious sight on a winter day.
> <http://www.hope.edu/academic/biology/naturepreserve/Shrubs/Ilever.htm>
> http://www.hope.edu/academic/biology/naturepreserve/Shrubs/Ilever.htm It is
> also called black alder and common winterberry. I should have said, a
> female plant is a glorious sight, as you will need at least one of each.
>
>
>
> This shrub can grow up to 10' tall and 10' wide in sandy, loam and clay and
> in acid, neutral and alkaline soils. It grows in sun or semi-shade.
> <http://www.pfaf.org/database/plants.php?Ilex+verticillata>
> http://www.pfaf.org/database/plants.php?Ilex+verticillata (This UK web site
> gets a gold star because it recommends growing native species and not
> cultivars!)
>
>
>
> The berries are eaten by 49 species of birds. Because they are low in fat
> content they may be eaten later in the winter when they become an important
> emergency food in the winter for common flicker, American crow, American
> robin, raccoons, squirrels and mice.
> <http://www.extension.umaine.edu/onlinepubs/htmpubs/2571.htm>
> http://www.extension.umaine.edu/onlinepubs/htmpubs/2571.htm This site gets
> 5 gold stars for saying:
>
> "Non-native invasive plants pose a serious threat to Maine's biodiversity.
> Plants such as Japanese barberry, shrubby honeysuckle, and Asiatic
> bittersweet, originally introduced for their ornamental features, have
> escaped from our landscapes, colonizing natural areas and displacing native
> plants and animals. By landscaping with native plants, we can create
> vegetation corridors that link fragmented wild areas, providing food and
> shelter for the native wildlife that is an integral part of our ecosystem.
> Your landscaping choices can have an impact on the environment that goes far
> beyond your property lines."
>
> However, Michigan Holly does not transplant easily, and is not easy to grow
> from seed. Does anyone have a source for this versatile plant?
>
>
>
> Sally Rutzky
>
> sr@...
>
> Sally Rutzky & Naomi J. Woloshin
>
> 330 East Liberty, Suite 3D
>
> Ann Arbor, Michigan 48104
>
> (734)668-1523 ext 111
>
> (734)761-8814 fax
>
I suspect that you have not gotten answers because most of us
have not found which plants the deer do not like. From my experience, deer have
different likes and dislikes, just as humans do. Some years, the deer eat just
a few plants and the other years, they eat something else.
Tim, Wild Ones Certified Ecoscaper
Northern IL
"Come forth into
the light of things, let nature be your teacher."
--William Wordsworth
From:
wildonesnativeplants@yahoogroups.com [mailto:wildonesnativeplants@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of megbergen Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 2:05 PM To: wildonesnativeplants@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Wild Ones] Rain Garden plants Deer don't like
Hi. I have a challenge - I am designing a rain
garden in an area that deer frequent - they walk through there and probably
drink from there - I'm looking for any native rain garden plants for the
midwest (St. Louis) that are not liked very much by deer. I wondered if anyone
had any suggestions? The client likes prairie and native plants.
Ilex verticillata, or Michigan Holly is a glorious sight on a winter
day. http://www.hope.edu/academic/biology/naturepreserve/Shrubs/Ilever.htm It is also called black alder and common
winterberry. I should have said, a female plant is a glorious sight, as
you will need at least one of each.
This shrub can grow up to
10’ tall and 10’ wide in sandy, loam and clay and in acid, neutral
and alkaline soils. It grows in sun or semi-shade. http://www.pfaf.org/database/plants.php?Ilex+verticillata (This UK web site gets a gold star because it
recommends growing native species and not cultivars!)
The berries are eaten by 49
species of birds. Because they are low in fat content they may be eaten
later in the winter when they become an important emergency food in the winter
for common flicker, American crow, American robin, raccoons, squirrels and
mice. http://www.extension.umaine.edu/onlinepubs/htmpubs/2571.htm This site gets 5 gold stars for saying:
“Non-native invasive
plants pose a serious threat to Maine’s biodiversity. Plants such
as Japanese barberry, shrubby honeysuckle, and Asiatic bittersweet, originally
introduced for their ornamental features, have escaped from our landscapes,
colonizing natural areas and displacing native plants and animals. By
landscaping with native plants, we can create vegetation corridors that link
fragmented wild areas, providing food and shelter for the native wildlife that
is an integral part of our ecosystem. Your landscaping choices can have
an impact on the environment that goes far beyond your property lines.”
However, Michigan Holly does
not transplant easily, and is not easy to grow from seed. Does anyone
have a source for this versatile plant?
Hi. I have a challenge - I am designing a rain garden in an area that deer
frequent - they walk through there and probably drink from there - I'm looking
for any native rain garden plants for the midwest (St. Louis) that are not liked
very much by deer. I wondered if anyone had any suggestions? The client likes
prairie and native plants.
Meg
We were delighted today to travel to Moore SC, where we captured a very colorful
Rufous Hummingbird--only our second adult male in 18 years of banding vagrant
hummers. We've devoted the 1-11 December 2009 installment of "This Week at
Hilton Pond" to this little bird who's far from where we might expect him to be
as winter approaches. To view the photo essay, please visit
http://www.hiltonpond.org/ThisWeek091201.html . While there, scroll down for a
list of birds banded or recaptured locally, as well as some miscellaneous nature
notes.
Happy Nature Watching!
BILL
=====
EDUCATION PROGRAM
BILL HILTON JR. Executive Director
Hilton Pond Center for Piedmont Natural History
1432 DeVinney Road, York, South Carolina 29745 USA
(803) 684-5852
The mission of Hilton Pond Center for Piedmont Natural History is "to conserve
plants, animals, habitats, and other natural components of the Piedmont Region
of the eastern United States through observation, scientific study, and
education for students of all ages.od (details on Web site).
=======
No matter where we live, wetlands are and watersheds are important to understand
and protect. That's one reason we've been working with a "sister center" in West
Virginia as it tries an innovative way for people, business, and nature to live
in harmony. To view our photo essay about flora, fauna, and habitats of the New
River Birding & Nature Center, please visit our 22-30 November 2009 installment
of "This Week at Hilton Pond" at http://www.hiltonpond.org/ThisWeek091122.html
While on the page, don't forget to scroll down for our usual list of birds
banded or recaptured during the period, including a rather old White-throated
Sparrow from up north somewhere.
Happy Nature Watching!
BILL
=====
EDUCATION PROGRAM
BILL HILTON JR. Executive Director
Hilton Pond Center for Piedmont Natural History
1432 DeVinney Road, York, South Carolina 29745 USA
(803) 684-5852
The mission of Hilton Pond Center for Piedmont Natural History is "to conserve
plants, animals, habitats, and other natural components of the Piedmont Region
of the eastern United States through observation, scientific study, and
education for students of all ages.od (details on Web site).
=======
Did your Ruby-throated Hummingbirds arrive slowly in 2009? Did you think you
might have your worst year ever for hosting these little balls of fluff at
backyard feeders? Did ruby-throats finally arrive with a vengeance in late
summer? If so, you had something in common with our banding efforts in the
Carolina Piedmont, where things started extremely slow and finished
exceptionally fast. To read about the downs and ups of our unusual 2009
hummingbird season, please visit the 18-21 November 2009 edition of "This Week
at Hilton Pond" at http://www.hiltonpond.org/ThisWeek091118.html . We include
some hummer photos you may find of interest.
Happy (Thanksgiving) Nature Watching!
BILL
=====
EDUCATION PROGRAM
BILL HILTON JR. Executive Director
Hilton Pond Center for Piedmont Natural History
1432 DeVinney Road, York, South Carolina 29745 USA
(803) 684-5852
The mission of Hilton Pond Center for Piedmont Natural History is "to conserve
plants, animals, habitats, and other natural components of the Piedmont Region
of the eastern United States through observation, scientific study, and
education for students of all ages.od (details on Web site).
=======
Hey!, Relax..., I'm not springing a surprize Math test on anyone- , but I will
recommend that by doing as I suggest below, you may have a real opportunity to
do something "Scientific"- which will "Qualify" the ECOlogical "quality" of your
Native Gardening efforts.
Gather all of your old plant/seed catalogs, plant books/field guides, old plant
sales receipts - (if they itemize what you've bought), get a pad of graph paper,
(or other?), and pencil, and calculator.
You'll need to have a book like the "Native Plants of the Chicago Region", (by
Swink, and Wilhelm). It lists the "Coefficient of Conservatism"= ["CC"#],= (a
number ranging between 0, and 10), which represents what we could call = "the
inverse of it's weedy-ness", for each Native species. [Non-Native species do
not get such a number, and are not counted, or considered in our calculations].
A very weedy species might get a number of 0,or 1, while a very rare species
that reluctantly reproduces except in the best habitats, gets a number of 9, or
10.
Most Natives get a number of 5 or higher, and there will be some numbers which
seem poorly assigned = Your opinion may differ, but lets apply a consistent
standard so that your calculations will be a fair comparison to someone else's-
or to your later calculations, years away.
...Now, get your eager kids or grand kids to do the legwork/number-crunching! -
they can even look-up, & copy down the Names of the Plants, etc., as you read
them off, or work on your own spelling skills, and memory abilities.
Make three collumns: List the "Scientific/Latin Name", then the corresponding
"Common Name",
and finally, the "CC"#
Now, just fill in the tedious details! "Viola!"
So: First; Add up all of the "CC"#s.
Then, divide that Total by the number of Native species in the list = "N".
[This is now the "Average CC" Value - (considering all of the species in your
list-(&, presumably, ON your property!))
Now, Find the Square-root of the Number of species in your list.(that is: the
[Sq.root of "N"]
(For example, If you had 25 species, then the square root would be 5.
If you had 36 species, your sq.root would be 6.
If you had 49 species, you'd get 7.
If you had 64 species, then it'd be 8.
If you had 81 species, then that'd be = 9.
If you had 100 species, then you'd get 10. and so on.
[Using a good calculator can save a lot of your hair!!!]
Now, multiply that sq.root number, times the "Average CC"#!
....This final calculated Number is referred to as the "Index if Floristic
Quality"
= "I"#,
...Write this number down somewhere for safe keeping!
Whew!, wipe the sweat from your brow! Have a cool one! &un-cross your eyes!
You've just done some real science!
This number should, hopefully, be over at least 25. If it's less, then you've
got a LOT of additional plant species to buy next spring!
If you're calculated "I"# is above 40, You're doing great- but beware!- Unless
all of you're species can sustain themselves year after year,, (through
reseeding, (etc.) then your list will probably dwindle-over the years, (as
species are lost from the property). That will lower the "N"#, and probably too
the "Avg. CC"#, Thereby lowering the "I"#!!-In that case, you'll have to buy and
try to introduce many more species- to bring up your property's ecological
"Quality"
--------
Proudly show your calculations to all of your fellow "Wild Ones members, Fellow
Gardeners, neighbors, co-workers, even unsuspecting strangers who look
interested in your intellectual demeanor!
Now, for some real fun - talk about your "Math lesson" over your Thanksgiving
Dinner/Holiday!!!
Now, IF you have it all on paper- and can show us your homework!- then, You can
justly prove that your Hard-working brain deserves an extra piece of Pie!
That ought to get you busy!!
GO!!!
Does anyone have experience growing natives in containers -I'm in northeast
Wisconsin?
Next summer, our chapter may "adopt" some containers in the downtown area - very
visible, lots of traffic. One of the locations uses quite low, shallow
containers - depth may be around 12inches or a little more.
We wouldn't expect these to winter over and would remove the plant material and
hopefully replant it in someone's garden.
I'm thankful for my tough but terrific prairie plants - and all I've learned
about natives/natural landscaping from Wild Ones! Keep planting.
Keep up the good work, and get the word out that Burning Bush and Japanese
barberry are invasive weeds. Upsets me every time I see them planted en masse
in the home or commercial landscape. People just love them!
--- In wildonesnativeplants@yahoogroups.com, "guloguloguy" <guysmith99@...>
wrote:
>
> Hey!, Lately, since I've been unemployed, and have some time to 'donate',
I've been going out to our local wetland preserve-(Nygren Wetland Preserve, just
west of Rockton, Il,), a property owned and managed by the Natural Land
Institute, (here in North central Illinois). I wish I could say I just 'went
exploring'- but more importantly, I've been regularly joining a small crew of
hard-working , dedicated individuals, and we go about our duties of maintaining
the property- through a wide variety of methods- hand digging/pulling, cutting &
herbiciding, marking unwanted trees for saw-cutting later in the winter months,
transplanting plugs of prairie cord-grass, etc.
> In case you wonder- Yes, this relatively "wild" land, (of about 710 acres), is
just as endangered as other regional p[arks and preserves- by ever encroaching
invasive Alien weed species! There is a lot of Tartarian Honeysuckle, and
common Buckthorn, and a lot of "Burning Bush"(Euonymus alata).
> There's a huge lower wetland patch of Reed-Canary grass, that we're hoping
to replace with other more desire species.
> Our work crew has found these species, and others,("Japanese Barberry") on
other NLI properties, too.
> We've been clearing brush, and preparing the perimeters of their fire-lanes -
so that these acres can be more safely burned, (when and if the weather
permits). We did manage a successful small burn (last week), but other acres
didn't cooperate. Perhaps we'll try again sometime.
> I promptly lost a nice pair of my own loppers- {in case anyone finds a nice
"camo-green" pair near/(in the woods east of) the lookout at Nygren Wetlands)-
[I'd like to get them back sometime!] I guess that will give me a reason to
return again and again- (to search for them!- at least.) There's a lot of
"Wildlife out there- We've seen a large pair of Bald Eagles (up close, as we
went by), Sandhill, and Whooping cranes, swans, ducks, geese, coots, etc., many
hawks, and other things- frogs-, warblers, etc.
> We've spent a few days collecting lots of varied seeds off of thre prairies,
and then cleaned, sorted, and weighed, and stored much of it for replanting
later.
> It's amazing to be involved in such a great operation! I sure am going to
miss this labor of love - when and If the economy pulls me away - but, I'll then
have some cash to donate to help them in that way!
> (I "hope" that the employment situation "changes"!)- (for all of those
Americans that are unemployed!)
>
> If any of you are up for a tough/fun/and different sort of challenge/
volunteer work opportunity - please find a local group that can put you to the
tasks at hand! There isn't a whole love of "Wilderness" left in the prairie
states- but it is constantly in need of some serious TLC!
> Perhaps, instead of running off to some exotic foreign land and joining the
"Peace Corps", you could "get fired up" and join a local Prairie
burning/"Weed-Squad".
> {I've found that the "work" aspect helps me stay in better 'condition' to
return to work - I can feel the effects-in my hands, feet and legs - it's much
better than sitting at home every day playing "freecell", or "minesweeper", or
herding cats!
> One way or another- Man-hours is Man-hours!
>
Hey!, I don't often get to see much TV, (I don't have, or want one) but am
watching one at a friend's: I found a great episode of "Future Earth"- with
(Eco-hero) Jeff Corwin.
It's a shocking presentation about the plight of many of the world's most
endangered species- and state of the related law-enforcement, and conservation
efforts to stop the insane human-caused threats (to them).
This is What ought to be on your schedule to watch, or "TVO".
I hope you all get to view it soon - (and with your kids/grandkids).
--------
"Be the change- you want to see in the world"
....GO!!!
Hey!, Lately, since I've been unemployed, and have some time to 'donate', I've
been going out to our local wetland preserve-(Nygren Wetland Preserve, just west
of Rockton, Il,), a property owned and managed by the Natural Land Institute,
(here in North central Illinois). I wish I could say I just 'went exploring'-
but more importantly, I've been regularly joining a small crew of hard-working ,
dedicated individuals, and we go about our duties of maintaining the property-
through a wide variety of methods- hand digging/pulling, cutting & herbiciding,
marking unwanted trees for saw-cutting later in the winter months, transplanting
plugs of prairie cord-grass, etc.
In case you wonder- Yes, this relatively "wild" land, (of about 710 acres), is
just as endangered as other regional p[arks and preserves- by ever encroaching
invasive Alien weed species! There is a lot of Tartarian Honeysuckle, and
common Buckthorn, and a lot of "Burning Bush"(Euonymus alata).
There's a huge lower wetland patch of Reed-Canary grass, that we're hoping to
replace with other more desire species.
Our work crew has found these species, and others,("Japanese Barberry") on other
NLI properties, too.
We've been clearing brush, and preparing the perimeters of their fire-lanes - so
that these acres can be more safely burned, (when and if the weather permits).
We did manage a successful small burn (last week), but other acres didn't
cooperate. Perhaps we'll try again sometime.
I promptly lost a nice pair of my own loppers- {in case anyone finds a nice
"camo-green" pair near/(in the woods east of) the lookout at Nygren Wetlands)-
[I'd like to get them back sometime!] I guess that will give me a reason to
return again and again- (to search for them!- at least.) There's a lot of
"Wildlife out there- We've seen a large pair of Bald Eagles (up close, as we
went by), Sandhill, and Whooping cranes, swans, ducks, geese, coots, etc., many
hawks, and other things- frogs-, warblers, etc.
We've spent a few days collecting lots of varied seeds off of thre prairies, and
then cleaned, sorted, and weighed, and stored much of it for replanting later.
It's amazing to be involved in such a great operation! I sure am going to
miss this labor of love - when and If the economy pulls me away - but, I'll then
have some cash to donate to help them in that way!
(I "hope" that the employment situation "changes"!)- (for all of those
Americans that are unemployed!)
If any of you are up for a tough/fun/and different sort of challenge/
volunteer work opportunity - please find a local group that can put you to the
tasks at hand! There isn't a whole love of "Wilderness" left in the prairie
states- but it is constantly in need of some serious TLC!
Perhaps, instead of running off to some exotic foreign land and joining the
"Peace Corps", you could "get fired up" and join a local Prairie
burning/"Weed-Squad".
{I've found that the "work" aspect helps me stay in better 'condition' to return
to work - I can feel the effects-in my hands, feet and legs - it's much better
than sitting at home every day playing "freecell", or "minesweeper", or herding
cats!
One way or another- Man-hours is Man-hours!
I am forwarding this email with permission from Sally Rutzky.
Tim – List Owner
When does a
hardy ornamental shrub become an invasive plant, which should not even be grown
in city gardens? Jetbead (Rhodotypos scandens)is
becoming one in Michigan. A non-native plant that grows in difficult
conditions and is disease, drought and insect resistant may just be too much of
a good thing.
When it
spreads both by seeds and vegetative means, that spells trouble when it ends up
in a natural area. Jetbead came from Asia in 1866 but, it is now becoming
invasive in natural habitats. http://www.nps.gov/plants/ALIEN/PUBS/MIDATLANTIC/rhsc.htm.
Black Jetbead grows in full shade to full sun, in poor soil and tolerates
pollution and salt, and when it invades woodlands, it displaces places native
shrubs, and inhibits native tree seedlings.
The USDA does
not yet show it as growing in Michigan, http://plants.usda.gov/java/profile?symbol=RHSC3 but it is
already in Washtenaw County in Pinckney Recreation. Because it has
limited distribution in Michigan, it is important to document it. Please
obtain flowering or fruiting speciments and submit to: Anton Reznicek,
Curator (Vascular Plants), University of Michigan Herbarium, 3600 Varsity
Drive, Ann Arbor, MI 48108-2287. http://web4.msue.msu.edu/mnfi/education/factsheets/Rhodotypos_scandens.pdf
When all
self-respecting native plants are asleep, pay attention to what is still
green. I removed several large bushes this spring. This month I
noticed numerous seedlings growing where the large ones had been. And I
will ask my neighbor if I may remove the one which now still glowing green
under his trees.
We don't know anyone who doesn't like Cedar Waxwings, so we're pleased "This
Week at Hilton Pond" to be able to share our photo essay about these "elegant"
berry-eating birds. For some truly up-close looks at waxwings, please visit the
installment for 11-17 November at http://www.hiltonpond.org/ThisWeek091111.html
Don't forget to scroll down for a list of banded birds and recaptures, including
a wily Eastern Towhee that has been around Hilton Pond a long time.
REMINDER: the final deadline for our 2010 midwinter Neotropical Hummingbird
Expeditions is 24 November 2009, so you still have time to join us for an
unforgettable experience in countries that in January and February are warm,
sunny, and filled with exotic flora and fauna. Trip info is at a link from the
top of the photo essay.
Happy Nature Watching!
BILL
=====
EDUCATION PROGRAM
BILL HILTON JR. Executive Director
Hilton Pond Center for Piedmont Natural History
1432 DeVinney Road, York, South Carolina 29745 USA
(803) 684-5852
The mission of Hilton Pond Center for Piedmont Natural History is "to conserve
plants, animals, habitats, and other natural components of the Piedmont Region
of the eastern United States through observation, scientific study, and
education for students of all ages.od (details on Web site).
=======
Baptisia australis will indeed propagate itself--give it a couple of years.
Pat from Elgin
On Nov 11, 2009, at 6:47 AM, Hope Kuniholm wrote:
I'm still reworking my front yard somewhat to bring down the height of it all so it doesn't look too "wild" for all my voraciously-mowing neighbors... Some plants I like NY and New England Asters I'm going to start lopping down so they'll grow half as high (and therefore get more blooms, too).
Tall plants first:
Wild Senna (cassia hebecarpa) is spectacular in a front yard. Mine, planted 4 years ago, gets about 4-5' tall and wide and blooms yellow at the end of the season, covered with quantities of pollinators. Many senna seedlings have been shared with many friends. I especially love the "architectural" seed pods which look like skinny pea pods blowing in the breeze.
Balancing that out I have False Indigo (baptisia australis), which blooms so beautifully purple earlier in the season. My neighbors liked so much they had me get some for them from The Plantsmen (in Ithaca, NY) since there were no offspring to offer them. This is one I wish would self-propagate.
My milkweeds (asclepias incarnata and tuberosa) get 4-5' tall, too.
Medium-sized plants:
Around all these I have plants like amsonia and northern sea oats (Chasmanthium latifolium), liatris, geranium maculatum, and prairie smoke (geum triflorum). I used prairie dropseed (sporobolus) as the border, hanging over the brick edging.
-Hope
At 11:19 PM 11/6/2009, you wrote:
>Mike, >Thanks for starting this thread! I'm going to >steal some of these ideas for my own place. :-) > >This was my first year with a new front-yard >flowerbed. While it had its beautiful periods, >overall it was too messy and floppy for its >setting, so I need to make changes. > >If anyone else will be updating a >front-and-center bed, there are some nice tips >and photos in the most recent WO journal article >"Small Urban Landscaping With Native Species >Common Pitfalls (What Goes Wrong)". > >~j > >--- Inwildonesnativeplants@yahoogroups.com, >"pajamaavenue" <zelienople@...> wrote: > > > > I did some rearranging in the front yard > garden this weekend, moving the Asters and > Goldenrods to the back yard. So now I have some > empty spots that I would like to fill with > showy small and medium-sized species that don't > flop. I'm considering planting Wild Senna in a > large spot that was previously inhabited by a > gigantic, sprawling Goldenrod. Is this a good > plant for such a spot? Any other suggestions for medium-sized, upright plants? > > My other considerations for the areas that I > want short species are Little Bluestem, > Butterfly Milkweed and New Jersey Tea. Anything > else? The Natural Garden has a big sale going > on so I want to take advantage, but I'm sure > the selection might be picked over by now so I'll need a lot of alternatives. > > > > thanks, > > Mike, Chicago > > > > > > >------------------------------------ > >Wild Ones® Natural Landscapers, Ltd. has >established this discussion group for members to >post questions, share information about natural >landscaping, related subjects and encourage the exchange of good ideas. > >This is a free service provided by Yahoo! As a >term of our use of this service, Yahoo! places >ads on the Wild Ones Native Plants Yahoo! >webpage and we do not have control over those >ads. Wild Ones recommends that you patronize >businesses that support our policies regarding >species provenance and habitat preservation. The >appearance of advertising on the Wild Ones >Native Plants Yahoo! webpage does not constitute >an endorsement by Wild Ones of any organization or product. >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Hope E. Kuniholm "Subverting suburbia - one lawn at a time."
I'm still reworking my front yard somewhat to
bring down the height of it all so it doesn't
look too "wild" for all my voraciously-mowing
neighbors... Some plants I like NY and New
England Asters I'm going to start lopping down so
they'll grow half as high (and therefore get more blooms, too).
Tall plants first:
Wild Senna (cassia hebecarpa) is spectacular in a
front yard. Mine, planted 4 years ago, gets about
4-5' tall and wide and blooms yellow at the end
of the season, covered with quantities of
pollinators. Many senna seedlings have been
shared with many friends. I especially love the
"architectural" seed pods which look like skinny
pea pods blowing in the breeze.
Balancing that out I have False Indigo (baptisia
australis), which blooms so beautifully purple
earlier in the season. My neighbors liked so much
they had me get some for them from The Plantsmen
(in Ithaca, NY) since there were no offspring to
offer them. This is one I wish would self-propagate.
My milkweeds (asclepias incarnata and tuberosa) get 4-5' tall, too.
Medium-sized plants:
Around all these I have plants like amsonia and
northern sea oats (Chasmanthium latifolium),
liatris, geranium maculatum, and prairie smoke
(geum triflorum). I used prairie dropseed
(sporobolus) as the border, hanging over the brick edging.
-Hope
At 11:19 PM 11/6/2009, you wrote:
>Mike,
>Thanks for starting this thread! I'm going to
>steal some of these ideas for my own place. :-)
>
>This was my first year with a new front-yard
>flowerbed. While it had its beautiful periods,
>overall it was too messy and floppy for its
>setting, so I need to make changes.
>
>If anyone else will be updating a
>front-and-center bed, there are some nice tips
>and photos in the most recent WO journal article
>"Small Urban Landscaping With Native Species
>Common Pitfalls (What Goes Wrong)".
>
>~j
>
>--- In wildonesnativeplants@yahoogroups.com,
>"pajamaavenue" <zelienople@...> wrote:
> >
> > I did some rearranging in the front yard
> garden this weekend, moving the Asters and
> Goldenrods to the back yard. So now I have some
> empty spots that I would like to fill with
> showy small and medium-sized species that don't
> flop. I'm considering planting Wild Senna in a
> large spot that was previously inhabited by a
> gigantic, sprawling Goldenrod. Is this a good
> plant for such a spot? Any other suggestions for medium-sized, upright plants?
> > My other considerations for the areas that I
> want short species are Little Bluestem,
> Butterfly Milkweed and New Jersey Tea. Anything
> else? The Natural Garden has a big sale going
> on so I want to take advantage, but I'm sure
> the selection might be picked over by now so I'll need a lot of alternatives.
> >
> > thanks,
> > Mike, Chicago
> >
>
>
>
>
>------------------------------------
>
>Wild Ones® Natural Landscapers, Ltd. has
>established this discussion group for members to
>post questions, share information about natural
>landscaping, related subjects and encourage the exchange of good ideas.
>
>This is a free service provided by Yahoo! As a
>term of our use of this service, Yahoo! places
>ads on the Wild Ones Native Plants Yahoo!
>webpage and we do not have control over those
>ads. Wild Ones recommends that you patronize
>businesses that support our policies regarding
>species provenance and habitat preservation. The
>appearance of advertising on the Wild Ones
>Native Plants Yahoo! webpage does not constitute
>an endorsement by Wild Ones of any organization or product.
>Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Hope E. Kuniholm
"Subverting suburbia - one lawn at a time."
By late October and early November, nature is getting downright serious about
preparing for winter. For a sampling of phenological happenings that occur in
late autumn, please see our "This Week at Hilton Pond" photo essay for 1-10
November at http://www.hiltonpond.org/ThisWeek091101.html . There's something
for almost everyone--Songbirds, hawks, pollinators, wildflowers, and info about
this year's abundant mast crop.
There's also a bonus photo and story about a Great Egret that's a long way from
where it was originally captured--plus our usual list of birds banded and
recaptured during the period--so please don't forget to scroll down the entire
page.
And as a reminder, the final deadline for our 2010 midwinter Neotropical
Hummingbird Expeditions is 24 November 2009, so you still have time to join us
for an unforgettable experience in countries that in January and February are
warm, sunny, and filled with exotic flora and fauna.
Happy Nature Watching!
BILL
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EDUCATION PROGRAM
BILL HILTON JR. Executive Director
Hilton Pond Center for Piedmont Natural History
1432 DeVinney Road, York, South Carolina 29745 USA
(803) 684-5852
The mission of Hilton Pond Center for Piedmont Natural History is "to conserve
plants, animals, habitats, and other natural components of the Piedmont Region
of the eastern United States through observation, scientific study, and
education for students of all ages.od (details on Web site).
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http://www.americanmeadows.com/QuickGuideToWildflowers.aspx
It may be the group that is partnered with the National Wildlife Foundation, or
maybe just someplace I've purchased bulbs from (I can't remember that far back)
But I did see this link on the email and thought I would share.
Just so you know I don't just come around looking for plant ID/s :)
Denise,
Long Island, NY
Former Oak-dominated Forest in Suburbia
sorry about double posting the picture !
Denise,
Long Island, NY
--- In wildonesnativeplants@yahoogroups.com, "denisemeehan1" <denise.meehan@...>
wrote:
>
> I'm back, recovering from a particularly unhealthy Summer/Fall.
>
> I noticed this growing in the back corner of my yard where one Mountain Laurel
died. The Mr. took this picture:
>
> <a
href="http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v55/nybelle/?action=view¤t=nibblep\
lant.jpg" target="_blank"><img
src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v55/nybelle/nibbleplant.jpg" border="0"
alt="What am I ?"></a>
>
> Now we are trying to decide if there are replacement Laurels growing, or if
this is a baby wintergreen.
>
> http://www.wildflower.org/gallery/result.php?id_image=3845
>
>
> Not only did we remove the dead Mountain Laurel, we also put in a Doggie
Dooley which required some very deep digging near where these sprouted....
apparantly, they like what the Dooley does to the soil.
>
>
> I guess I can wait till Spring to see what we have. I've fenced it off so no
mulching mower can get it. Though something enjoyed it. The rabbits I guess ?
>
>
> And in other observations, our weather will be Springlike today.
> I have a transplanted in May Cone Flower trying to bloom. And I have some
exotics still outdoors and blooming.(yes, I know.. the Mr. likes tibouchinas..
what can I say ?)
>
> I did not see one Monarch this Summer, but I also could not go outside due to
an invasion of yellow jacket wasps. I know they are here for some purpose, but
I am deathly allergic to them. They and my health really cramped (literally) my
gardening style. Any suggestions on how to keep them Out of my yard ?
>
> If anyone on Long Island wants to take any samples from my yard to transplant
they are welcome to contact me. I am unable to drive so I'm usually here. With
this crazy weather, I'm confident that transplanting will succeed. But I only
got out in the garden again yesterday.
>
> Wishing you all a happy Thanksgiving !
> Denise
>