... Thanks, Zo, for the explanation. I see your point. The peculiar thing is that pamphleteering is still prevalent today in our society. It seems to reflectMessage 1 of 12 , Mar 1, 2002View Source--- Zoroastro Chelli <zochelli@...> wrote:
> Jan,Thanks, Zo, for the explanation. I see your point.
> I TOTALLY agree with you. The true fact is that
> people still make fun on
> our Queen and some still believe that those papers
> are really true!! I
> have seen and analysed them so much (we can get
> copies of them at
> Biblioteque Nationale) and I found that they
> represent nothing but
> dreams from a poisoned and greed mind: Philipe
> I think Alora Danaan look at them backwards, that is
> to say, she (or he)
> thinks they are funny because they show something
> totally different from
> the real MA. This antagonism is funny to her (him).
> I do not want to see them again just because I think
> these pamphlets do
> not represent anything to me. They do not represent
> MA at all, nor any
> other member of the royalty.
The peculiar thing is that pamphleteering is still
prevalent today in our society. It seems to reflect a
certain form of propaganda that appeals to the masses.
Usually, the readers are people who do not know the
victims personally, but because of their station in
life, love the barbs and insults. It makes them feel
a tad bit superior.
As I am reading the book on The Ghost of Monsieur
Scarron, the plot centers around such pamphlets in the
time of Louis XIV. That makes the pamphlets regarding
Louis XVI and Marie Antoinette even more significant.
Pamphlets had quite a history in France, and they were
used as a tool to incite public opinion against the
King and Queen. It is an interesting subject for a
> -----Mensagem original-----
> De: Janet Fauble [mailto:jan_neptune@...]
> Enviada em: quinta-feira, 28 de fevereiro de 2002
> Para: Images_of_Marie_Antoinette@yahoogroups.com
> Assunto: Re: [Images_of_Marie_Antoinette] Re:
> Pornograhic Images of
> Marie Antoinette
> --- alora_danaan
> > I've noticed that some people say they don't mind,
> > some people say
> > they never want to see it, but nobody seems to
> > at it the way I
> > do. It's hilarious! I find pornography to be
> > hilarious, and these
> > pictures of Marie Antoinette, they're trying to
> > her a terrible
> > rep, but its funny!
> > Some of the pictures are a bit....interesting (for
> > lack of a better
> > word). And most are too funny.
> > Later, I will do a better post, explaining why I
> > think this, but I
> > just had to point out how funny the cartoons are!
> > Hi!
> I find it interesting that enough time has passed
> since the French Revolution for someone in this time
> period to find something considered very serious and
> injurious then to be a source of humor now.
> I do not find them funny or amusing. I find them to
> be scandalous and libelous as they were printed as
> lies and intended to hurt the victims. They should
> recognized for that purpose.
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200 years, 200 days, 200 minutes, doesn t matter how much time passes, to me, pornography is funny. People trying to ruin the reputation of famous people (i.e.Message 1 of 12 , Mar 1, 2002View Source200 years, 200 days, 200 minutes, doesn't matter how much time
passes, to me, pornography is funny. People trying to ruin the
reputation of famous people (i.e. tabloids) is funny. These pamphlets
were the tabloids of that day. Do tabloids ever tell the truth? maybe
a tiny grain, but over all its fake.
okie, now for some specific pictures to point out that were funny or
An interesting picture is that called "MA on mind of Rohan &Mirabeau"
in the Porno album. This picture was interesting the way the bodies
were twisted to fit into the heads of Rohan and Mirabeau, and it was
making fun of the military. If you read the caption it talks about
the original captions and the point of the cartoon, it was
interesting in so many ways.
"MA with Mme Polignac" in that same album is quite hilarious. #1 with
this they accuse her of lesbianism, which is funny to me, because
only MA knows the truth of what she is or isn't. #2 the quote on the
top, which was what originally caught my eye, keeps me laughing
whenever I see. Who has she been with if father is impotent?
interesting pick of people to run off to.
I find it hilarious, esp. that quote "If our father is impotent, who
has our mother been with?" interesting choice of company, no?
Where is this album? I want to look at these things--sound interesting. EllyMessage 1 of 12 , Mar 1, 2002View SourceWhere is this album? I want to look at these things--sound interesting.
Porno - MA Pornographic Images &Libels ... interesting.Message 1 of 12 , Mar 2, 2002View SourcePorno - MA Pornographic Images &Libels
--- In Images_of_Marie_Antoinette@y..., fumbling1013@a... wrote:
> Where is this album? I want to look at these things--sound
Porno Photo Album, Image 5 MA in bed with Madame Polignac The album under discussion is in Photos under the album title Porno . In her last post, AloraMessage 1 of 12 , Mar 2, 2002View Source"Porno" Photo Album, Image 5
MA in bed with Madame Polignac
The album under discussion is in Photos under the album
In her last post, Alora refers to image 5 in the Porno album "MA with
It appears under the title "Corrolary If our Father is impotent,
who has other mother been with?"
There are actually two pornographic cartoons then shown the right
is Madame Polignac in intimate embrace with Marie Antoinette, the
lady's hand fondling the crotch of the Queen.
These cartoons come from some of the numerous pamphlets which
depicted lesbian tristes by Marie Antoinette with Comtesse de
Polignac, Princesse de Lamballe and other women of her count.
Alora is correct to say there is a grain of truth.
For it is true that Marie Antoinette more than any other queen was
noted for her strong female relationships and her desire to build a
private society with her friends apart from the rest of the court at
There were evenings when she strolled arm and arm with her girl
friends, they laughed and had fun as young women everywhere do.
But those with sinister minds and motives, turned these into orgies
and sexual escapades in the tabloid of the day.
Zoroastro says Duke D'Orleans. Zo - was he alone at court?
What about Count de Provence? he too may have leaked these to
Marie Antoinette was shown in pamphlets like these to be a "tribade"
Her Austrian birth was even cited as a cause since homosexuality was
associated with Germaness in the France of that day.
This fear of tribades and evil femininity was one of the things the
Revolution sought to stamp out, and one of the many causes of the
deep hatred that Marie Antoinette inspired.
The macho French hated the idea of woman ruling over the French king.
Even more so the "Austrian woman".
Jan Fauble is quite right to refer to the work of Lynn Hunt in this
regard. I too refer members to Lynn Hunt's "Romance of the Family"
See the chapter on Marie Antoinette "Bad Mother" beginning at page
Thanks, Alora, Zo, Jan for your comments.
Though each has a different viewpoint and interest, each is welcome!
Post of your comments of ALL members on these and other images in
the "Porno" album are welcome.
Posts with your comments on images in this photo album or others are
also most welcome.
--- In Images_of_Marie_Antoinette@y..., "alora_danaan"
> 200 years, 200 days, 200 minutes, doesn't matter how much timepamphlets
> passes, to me, pornography is funny. People trying to ruin the
> reputation of famous people (i.e. tabloids) is funny. These
> were the tabloids of that day. Do tabloids ever tell the truth?maybe
> a tiny grain, but over all its fake.with
> "MA with Mme Polignac" in that same album is quite hilarious. #1
> this they accuse her of lesbianism, which is funny to me, becausethe
> only MA knows the truth of what she is or isn't. #2 the quote on
> top, which was what originally caught my eye, keeps me laughingwho
> whenever I see. Who has she been with if father is impotent?
> interesting pick of people to run off to.
> I find it hilarious, esp. that quote "If our father is impotent,
> has our mother been with?" interesting choice of company, no?