HEARING GURBANI WE LEARN THE SECRETS OF YOGA OR THE HUMAN BODY
(Sunya jog juggat tann bhed)
I am really wonder struck to see some of the yogic concepts preaching
letters coming from outwardly Gurmat preaching groups like
. For example two letters are appended
after this message where yogic concepts have been circulated under
the garb of gurmat/gurbani. Accordingly a humble attempt is made
hereunder so that Cyber Sangat can differentiate Gurmat preaching
from the Yogic.
Basic Tenets of Yogic or Radha Soami Concepts:
They preach sitting in a particular posture for concentration of
seeing faculty of mind on trikuti i.e in the centre of forehead with
the attempt to hearing of some sound emanating from body and a jot
the light. (Medicos believe that the sound is from our life processes
like the beating of heart and the light is illusion created by Optic
nerve with constant irritation or concentration. This writer who
underwent Yogic exercises can also hear the sound and see the light.
Besides the Gurmat treats them as by products and not the primary aim)
From there they search the tenth door or the daswa duar. (In fact
it is the stage of ultimate union with Almighty: This writer has tried
to search some one from millions of our brother Radha Soamis (Radhes)
who has achieve this but found none and thus with the grace of Guru I
have returned to the House of Truth. Even the yogic books agree that
Tenth Gateway is possible only when individuals ego i.e greed, sex.
anger, pride, attachment and worldly love has vanished.
Sitting in a particular posture when the attention makes wonderful
moves they say one should concentrate on this. They say that it is the
journey of Surat.(Whereas Guru has taught us that it is with the
understanding of concept of Order of the Lord i.e Hukam or Naam that
the surat will not wander uncontrolled. 'Nanak hukme je bujhe tan
haumen kahey na koi' Like when we know that sex is the tool of God
for reproduction our pseudo-sexual desire is vanished. It will not
vanish otherwise even if one gets aged or puts many controls over the
mind. Similar is the case with other kind of lusts or five evils.
Radhes believe that that light and sound itself is God or the Shiva
whereas the Gurmat concept of God is the one Who is beyond lights and
sounds and forms.
They don't insist on the possession of merits like the cultivation
of truth, love or the other merits devoid of evil. Like Guru has
blessed us that there is no exaggeration if God is named after truth
They don't believe in the basic concepts of Gurmat. Like gurmat
believes that one achieves Him through singing of His praises. Gurmat
stresses on Japna or Simran the singing of praises or Gauna and then
attend to the praises when some one else is singing or japping and
then for us it important that we practise the Naam or Gurbani in our
lives it is called Manana to obey. At times during discussion with
them they insist that 'see Gurbani talks of Sunana i.e hearing of the
inner word." but when we ask them what to you mean by manana they
would crumble and grumble irrelevant things.
They emphasize on the Yogic chakras.
Nowadays these neo-Yogis don't renounce worldly life and live in
sort of communes indulging into some of the evil things. They allow a
number of women to stay in the deras. Two years back an innocent girl
made a direct complaint to the Prime Minister of India narrating how
she was exploited by a Baba(Second Largest Dera) But they could thwart
the full fledged enquiry by CBI due to their vote bank. We have got
photographs when they met the PM.
Gurmat stresses on Naam which is Baani or a single word of praise to
Lord. (O Lord you are great: Waheguru) They don't insist on the
recitation of the word. Though to befool the Sikhs joining their camps
they give a mantra of five six words Ounkar, rarankar, jot niranjan
sohung satinam mostly stolen from elsewhere. But they insist that
after a certain duration one should give up the word recitation and
concentrate on the inner sound. They call it Abhiyas or exercise.
Gurmat is highly critical of praiseless or wordless meditation: lakh
chourasi pher piya bin shabde mukat na hoi(Page 124 SGGS)
They don't believe in the concept of submission to His will or
rajaa. They say it is simply not possible.Where the concept of Raja is
something basic to Sikhism hukam rajai chalna (Japuji)
They have no remedy for the ills of humanity i.e agonies and
worries, dukha/sukh in life whereas Gurbani takes the man to state of
ananda the ecstasy or charhdi kala where the man enjoys life as is
free from worries, dukha/sukh, fears etc.
How do they make intrusion?
When Gurmat was born the land of Punjab was dominated by
jogis/Sidha/Nathas. As such a large volume of Gurbani is addressed to
Yogis using the yogi terminology telling them that it is not possible
without the naam or word or submission to His Order hukma. The Radha
Soamis use these terms to misguide the innocent Sikhs. Some of their
preachers are highly educated whereas preaching in Sikhism is
virtually nil at present due to indirect control of anti-Sikh agencies
over the SGPC. Thus they are having their day. By misquoting the
Gurbani. They use one or two sentences but avoid the presentation of
whole shabad so that meaning doesn't clear. Now in Gurbani there are
certain shabadas addressed to Muslims as well like: Athe pehar bhauda
phiren khawan sandrhe sul, Dojak pauda keo rahen ja chit n hoi rasool.
(page 319) i.e you are destined for hell if you dont pay attention to
Rasool. Now does that mean that Guru suggests the Sikhs to worship
Hazrat Mohd? Or there is similarly mehar masit sidak musalla haq halal
Whereas at number of places our lord has clarified that with the
recitation of Gurbani (Japna or Gauna) the secrets of body or life
stand revealed. See Japuji: Sunya jog juggat tan bhed. Also see Anhad
dhun vajey nit vajey gai satguru bani(page442) i.e when I sang praises
I could hear the anhad dhun the limitless sound. on hearing the
gurbani.Please also see pages (172) (604), (87),(489),(115) (223),
They have no Answers to the Sikhs concepts like Sewa the service,
Manana to obey the Gurbani, Khoj or Vichar of Gurbani, Keertan the
Gurbani singing with music, gurprasad i.e attainment at His grace
only, concept of Bhau and Bhaao (fear and Love of God) charhdi kala
life, Charan Dhool hona,
The Radhe onslaught has become very noticeable. So much so sign boards
have appeared in the Golden Temple complex supporting the Radhe
Concepts one of the boards reads "Gursikh need not recite gurbani
before dawn" In fact this present Bibi Jagir Kaur as President might
do incalcuable harm to Sikhims as her being an accused in the murder
of her daughter and it is likely that anti-Sikh forces might use her
to the benefit or our opponent. We had published this to bring the
mischief in the notice of Punjab CM and PM. But no response. But they
can't be held responsible for this. We strongly feel the SGPC has
become a liability rather than an assets. We had some two three years
ago suggested that the overseas sangat should form their own Gurdwara
Association to take the SGPC to task.Please see detailed charge sheet
For more detailed article on invasion of Radhes and their modus
operandi please see; http://punjabmonitor.com/XVII/index.htm
We will welcome healthy debate on this issue.
Nanak akhey ih vichar
Siphtin Gandh pavey Sansar
(It is the view of Nanak that with the singing of His praises in this
life we get yog or attached to Him)
Please forgive me if at a place I language becomes harsh.
Me a dog at the glorious house of Baba Nanak
---------------------- --------------------- ---------------------
Add to Address BookAdd to Address Book
Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 21:26:48 EST
Subject: Re: [learning-zone] Understanding Gurbani- japji 8th to 11
Dear Mohinder Sahni Ji,
It is not about hearing Keertan. You cannot become Sidh no matter how many
hours or days you listen Kirtan. The stanzas 8 through 11 refer to the
of inner sound or Anhad Naad or celestial melody. To do that the Dhyan
transcend the relative world of the conscious mind through meditation.
no short cut to that. The inner self of every individual is the soul or
diamond of peace Nihchal(AGGS) which is anxiously waiting for your
Dhyan to merge
with and experience it. Pl. reply.
With best regards,
Dr. Madho Singh
Add to Address BookAdd to Address Book
Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 22:05:14 EST
Subject: [learning-zone] Re: Human Mind and Gurbani
Dear Amar Pal Ji,
It gives me a great pleasure that you have many views agreeing with me and
that you have an open mind to understand the logical material. There
few people like you. Most are dug in their deep convictions and they
learn nothing from others.
Now let us talk about human mind. Jo brahmanday soee pinday jo khojay so
paaway(AGGS 695) It is the almighty Waheguru present .................
The conscious mind brought to the level of nihchal
through Naam Jaap and meditation can perceive the Nihchal mind or the
It is referred to as Sadh, Guru, Satguru, Sadhu, Khasam, Har, Charan Kamal
etc.As soon as the Dhyan is untangled from the silent noise of the
mind(very difficult task), it transcends the Bhavjal (silently noisy
mind) and merges with the soul which becomes one with the Brahmand(The
mind being no more in the way). Then that human is one with Waheguru, the
ultimate goal of human life. .................Ait Raah pat pawriay
charhiay hoeeay ikees. It is
called Self Realization, God Realization or acieving Gyan.
Kumbhay Badhaa Jal Rahay, Jal Bin Kumbh na hoiay. Gyan ka Badhaa Mann
Gur bin Gyan na hoiay. The pitcher full of water is called Kumbh. Without
water it is just a pitcher not Kumbh. Similarly the whole mind in
Surati or Gyan
or Spiritual wisdom, is the whole One Mind and if there is no union
dhyan of the conscious mind and the unconscious mind or soul, there is
no Gyan or
Self Realization......Ninety percent of the whole mind is fast asleep
from the conscious mind view
Please feel free to ask any questions.