I see similarities between Manannan and Nordic Freyr: They had sword, ship,
flying horse. Both have similarities to Indian Kubera, that also have a
ship, had three-legs (like Manannan or his Welsh counterpart Manawyddan),
and is linked to aerial "elfs", like Freyr (dwells in Ljosalfar), They seem
to be related to a brother or half-brother with opposite traits: Manannan is
brother of Bran, lord of underworld; Kubera is half-brother of Ravana, lord
of the subterranean Rakshasas, Freyr has no brother, but in Ragnarok will
fight Surtr ("the black"), or maybe the obscure Beli, poorly described in
Edda, but killed by him, fit this role. This "underworld" brother is linked
to subterranean "elfs", like rakshasas and svartalfar.
But a influence of *Apom Nepo:ts or this "Uncle Lake" is also striking.
Maybe the *Apom Nepo:ts was born in this Lake, begot by a group of water
nymphs (like Heimdallr or Skanda, also traits in Dionysos and He:phaistos).
Roman, Irish and Persian legends shows a clear picture of Primordial Lake,
maculated by some invader, giving rise to a Flood that generated all rivers
of the world. The *Apom Nepo:t lived in the deep of this lake, golden,
shining and blazing, surroundend by nymphic helpers. Perhaps the Arthurian
Lady of the Lake was a Medieval descendant of these myths.
----- Original Message -----
From: Ken Pfrenger <kenpfrenger@...>
Sent: Monday, March 10, 2003 10:57 AM
Subject: Re: [PIEreligion] Re: So what do we all agree on?+Mimir
> mrcaws wrote:
> > --- In PIEreligion@yahoogroups.com, João Simões Lopes Filho
> > <jodan99@u...> wrote:
> > > The idea of a guardian of subterranean waters is interesting, and I
> > agreee
> > > with the likeness of Mimir being an analogous to *Apom Nepo:t.
> > > I think that the Sky-Father had a brother, and he was a god of the
> > > primordial lake (cf. Ouranos and Pontos, perhaps Zeus and Poseidon,
> > Vyasa
> > > and Bhishma). This "Lake-God" have no children, and was a kind
> > of "Uncle" of
> > > the Gods.
> > >
> > > Joao SL
> > Yes, also what about Manannan Mac Lir? He also was a foster father to
> > many of the gods. I remember Lugh went to live with him in
> > subterreanean waters, where Mannanan trained him in the magical arts.
> > This seems to correspond with *Akwom Nepot's role as provider of
> > knowledge/power to the appropriate hero figure. Doesn't his name
> > also mean "Son of the sea"?-This name seems similar to *Akwom Nepot.
> > Cort Williams
> Mannanan always struck me as being apart from the rest of the Irish
> pantheon...at least in origin anyway but I do get the connections between
> and Akwom Nepot. His name definitely means Mannanan son of the sea and he
> does have that whole foster father almost uncle thing going for him.
> I am going to have to dig into the lore about him a bit deeper.
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