>>>>> Victor M:
>>>>> Photos mentioned in this post are located at:
>>>>> Light is not supposed to escape from the immense
>>>>> gravity of a black hole, yet jets of intense light
>>>>> and pulses of matter commonly move straight out.
>>>> Randy C:
>>>> Fictitious claims noted. Light did NOT escape directly
>>>> from the black hole. As you said yourself, the radiation
>>>> likely arose when a star wandered too close to its
>>>> galaxy's central black hole. Intense tidal forces tore
>>>> the star apart, and the infalling gas continues to
>>>> stream toward the hole.
>>>> There is no apparent problem for mainstream science to
>>> Victor M:
>>> Yet the pulsed streams of matter did not even bend
>>> from the allegedly immense gravity.
>> Randy C:
>> How do you know that?
>> Once the light leaves the area of the black hole it's
>> not going to be affected by the black hole's gravity
>> any more! Besides we don't even know the exact position
>> of the source of the light. All we see is the light
>> itself. So for all we know it bent by 90 degrees!
> Victor M:
> This is an example of circular reasoning.
I have reason to be concerned. Victor is the world's
leading expert in circular reasoning.
> 1. We know there is gravity because the planets circled
> the Sun.
We know that there is SOMETHING keeping them in their
I mean they do have orbits.
> 2. Since stars are observed to spiral around the
> center of a galaxy, there must be an invisible gravity
> source at the heart of every galaxy. It must be incredibly
> powerful for it to affect stars at vast distances.
There must be SOMETHING at the center of galaxies just
as there is SOMETHING at the center of solar systems
such as ours.
If not for gravitational effects, all stars, all planets,
etc, would simply move linearly.
Here's a question that you won't answer. (Therefore
this is what? the 312th question you won't answer?):
If gravity isn't real, what makes planets orbit around
> 3. Therefore a black hole must exist down there so
> powerful that light can't escape.
There is evidence that SOMETHING exists at the center of
Obviously logic is a difficult topic for you.
> Yet the pulsed jets of matter come out from the center
> of the gigantic elliptical galaxy M87 do not even bend
> until they get out to the very edges of the galaxy.
But, we don't know that they don't bend.
We only see the light (your personal favorite type of
We have NO idea where the source of the light is.
Therefore YOU cannot say that the light is NOT bending.
> What we observe is that the matter at the center of
> a galaxy has minimal gravitational effects perhaps
> because atoms at the center of a galaxy shine with
> different frequencies than local atomic clocks.
**IF** atoms were shining with different frequencies
there would be ALL SORTS of evidence we would have.
Since NONE of that evidence exists, they DON'T "shine
with different frequencies".
> How do we know they are different? We observe...
Victor, Victor, Victor.
There is NO "WE"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
How many times do you have to be told this?
There is ONLY "YOU"!!!!!!
Every time you say "...we observe..." you are really
If you got professional help you - hopefully - would
learn not to mock yourself so much.