Still lots of your responses that have not been published. Hope we ve got them all now! Peace, Ken Subject: Re: [shamireaders] Speaking with a young man, byMessage 1 of 1 , Apr 10, 2011View Source
Still lots of your responses that have not been published. Hope we’ve got them all now!
Subject: Re: [shamireaders] Speaking with a young man, by Israel Shamir
Is it Christian to persist in a vile slander against other Christians?
Let's look at Germany. World Jewish Congress declares economic war against German interests around the world--on behalf of ALL Jews--in 1932. This made all civilian Jews into "enemy combatants" and, therefore, subject to internment in time of war. The Germans, for their part, boycotted Jewish businesses for ONE DAY years later and we're still hearing about it! Now we hear the death figures for Auschwitz have been officially dropped from 4.5-million to 1.5-million. A minor clerical error--but not one that affects the six-million figure? The Red Cross put camp casualties at under 100,000. Eisenhower did not mention "death camps" in his autobiography--nor did other major leaders of the time. A minor oversight?
Israel, I think this Holocaust thing is the equivalent of the flat-earth theory in the Middle Ages. You could be burned at the stake for contradicting the official narrative! Since the "first Holocaust" publicized in 1919--in which the evil Kaiser was said to have presided over the murder of 6-million Jews--the Holocaust has been used a tool to terrorize Jews as well as Christians. It may be a self-fulfilling prophesy.
Subject: Response to Syed Zaidi on Qaddafi and Libya
I don't know anything about Libya. But I live in and am an expert on Kenya.
Qaddafi's Pan-Africanism is universally regarded here as a bad joke. A couple of weeks ago, just before the current troubles began, Qaddafi received a "reformed" militia leader and a "reformed" billion-dollar swindler from Kenya (the two have united in a joke political party). The Libyan President anointed this thoroughly contemptible pair as something-or-another, supposedly as part of his role as "King of Kings" of Africa.
The whole country laughed. Even the news anchors who showed the footage of the ceremony couldn't keep a straight face. It was the Kenyan equivalent of Josef Stalin holding a ceremony to give Soviet medals to Al Capone and Bernie Madoff.
One of the very few corruption cases that has been made to stick in Kenya involved the sale of a luxury hotel that ended up in Government receivership to LAICO (Libyan-African Investment Company), an entity controlled by Qaddafi. The sale was made at a giveaway price, and the Finance Minister lost his job over the incident. I have never met a Kenyan who favored the sale, or Qaddafi's pan-African pretensions.
Zaidi quotes from un-named Sub-Saharan African sources who allegedly favor Qaddafi's personal pan-African vision. Well, I suppose there are people who still believe that the earth is flat, too. But whoever these oddballs may be, they absolutely DO NOT represent sub-Saharan African opinion.
I don't know if Qaddafi should stay or go. I don't know if there should be a no-fly-zone or not. I have less than no idea about who the Opposition forces in Libya might or might not be.
But I know without a shadow of a doubt that Qaddafi's pan-Africanism is considered pure crap by sub-Saharan Africans. Since Syed Zaidi's articles is full of allegations to the contrary, his article must be considered pure crap as well, unless other allegations in it can be substantiated from other sources.
P.S. Apparently, the article on Libya and Pan-Africanism that I reject as nonsense was written by one Gerald A. Perreira, and only forwarded by regular reader Syed Zaidi. No matter -- it's all nonsense anyway.
Subject: Latest news on Libya
Good job. I'm in favor of just about anything that makes people stop killing each other.
Subject: Re: [shamireaders] FW: Huge disinformation campaign against Gaddafi and his Libya, and other Shamireader correspondence
Subject: RE: [shamireaders] FW: Huge disinformation campaign against Gaddafi and his Libya, and other Shamireader correspondence
The "rebels" were almost defeated. NATO to the rescue!!!
Subject: Re: [shamireaders] FW: Huge disinformation campaign against Gaddafi and his Libya, and other Shamireader correspondence
the "duff" figure seems a computer model programmed with plots from bad x-files scripts ( there were, i am told, some good scripts on that american tv fantasy show) but more important is that the no fly zone gibberish has become a no brain zone that seems to have expanded further, from headquarters in the usa and israel to the near fictional - trying to become fact? - "international community"...
the threats to libya should cause all here, even the most fervent critics of the regime, to wonder why ?
outside intervention to crush an uprising in bahrain and silence from the "international community", but rage against internal violence in libya? by alleged democratic, freedom loving humanitarians who were deaf, dumb, blind and moral-free when israel slaughtered palestinians in gaza but are now incensed that blood is being shed in libya?
we need to think more clearly than ever, and wonder more fervently at what the hell is going on, resting assured that whatever it is, humanity will suffer permanent loss if we don't wake up to it soon...
the profits of the nuclear industry are leading to greater losses for the race, with japan's tragedy as little understood as what is actually going on in libya... why are great powers so concerned about the latter, and protective about the former?
the empire runs on energy forms that are a curse on humanity's future...the sooner we switch from raping the earth in order to suck out its vitals and become users of the natural forces above that earth as sources of our energy needs for civililization - if we can just create one -, the sooner we will move to a world of peace and social justice...
democracy is the first and absolutely necessary step in that direction and it is being impeded in libya, but not by its regime which at least fostered a theory that was democratic even if power corrupted its leader, but by outside force working to gaurantee the safety of the empire and its energy needs...
petro and nuclear power are the past and unless we face that fact we will have little future, if any...
what's going on is a desperate attempt to perpetuate the system of raping the earth for energy and raping humanity for profit...both produce great wealth for global capital , its minority billionaires and their upper middle class servant class, but they threaten the future of humanity and must be treated as such... continued profiteering to falsely benefit millions will cost the greatest amount imaginable for the billions absorbing the loss...
Subject: Fw: Notes from Rothschildistan
Any fool can make a simple thing complex- it take genius to make complexity simple.
Notes from Rothschildistan-UK
Are you one of those who reflexes ="It's for the oil."
In response to the ongoing war in Afghanistan. Iraq, Libya-(Syria, Iran, North Korea etc)?
Perhaps you believe the war is to protect Israel? Or at the behest of the 'US 'Military Industrial Complex'?
The fact is that IT'S FOR REGIME CHANGE- that is the regime of the Rothschild bank.
Look closely- Google around- and you will discover that:
All- every one- of the 'axis of evil' nations are ones which had rejected the Rothschild central bank. Of course, both Iraq and Afghanistan have. following occupation had the Rothschild central bank imposed upon them.
Ask yourself- Who wields such power consistently and directly over not only the US government but also over all other 'developed' nations that each and every newly elected 'leader' adopts the identical policies of his predecessor- regardless of pre election pledges?
E.G. The US military, the Christian right, the oil companies or the International Rothschild) Bank?
I suggest to you that the bank is the most likely central candidate or prime mover- all the rest- and many others, such as the bit-part actors we hail as 'elected leaders' merely act in a supportive role in expanding the 'Rothschildistan' we all now live in.
Please study and expand and write about this -The world has only five to ten years left and five more wars to go before the serpent of the Rothschild 'New World Order' encircles the world and the global slave state is imposed.
Thank you for reading and considering this item.
To which Israel Shamir replies:
What makes you think, John, that all the banks belong to Rothschilds?
Subject: Re: Notes from Rothschildistan
there must be a demon-monster-individual identified to promote wrath at injustice...
systems do not exist, only individual satanic evil-doers...
exceptions are made for systems like communism, socialism or judaism, but they too are identified closely with monsters, like stalin, mao or, as in this case, rothschild...
Subject: Re: [shamireaders] FW: Webster G. Tarpley: Obama's Bay of Pigs in Libya / William Bowles: Libya's "Operation Odyssey Dawn": Kosovo Revisited
The UN has been disguising its despotic agenda, brutality, & atrocities under the guise of "humanitarian intervention" for a very long time. This goes back at least as far as the Congolese civil war, when the organization---joined with depraved, treacherous, hypocritical left-leaning US statesmen, Congressmen & Senators---supported the bloody leftist dictator Patrice Lumumba...
Subject: RE: [shamireaders] A Powerful Letter from Cynthia McKinney: On President Obama and Libya;Japan and 9/11 Truth
We have only to go back to WACO to see how the U.S. Government would deal with an insurrection. Far more brutally than any of the regimes it seems entitled to attack.
And as for the 9-11 Pentagon attack--those few aircraft parts from different planes and with corrosion evident (probably from an aircraft junkyard)--magically appeared on the manicured lawn. You mean to say anyone doubts this????
Subject: Re: [shamireaders] A Powerful Letter from Cynthia McKinney: On President Obama and Libya;Japan and 9/11 Truth
bless her heart and mind...
except for the typo that had 100,000 people murdered daily for 100 days...that 10 million would exceed by 4 million the holocaust toll and might get our cynthia in even deeper trouble with the keepers of the terror faith...
otherwise, even with a possible factoid here and there, an honest picture of the global situation and what people need to be aware of concerning our consciousness controllers...she is a true and dedicated public servant and it is a disgrace that she no longer serves her people through government due to the ugly power of israeli agents who dominate our congress and the white house...among other aspects of this "democracy"...
as for the april gallop piece, it is fantasy that should be read under a full moon, with eyes closed...
Subject: Fw: Mask of Zion: Libya: The Zionist Dragon and The Drums of War
Subject: Re: [shamireaders] The Euro-US War on Libya: Official Lies and Misconceptions of Critics, by James Petras and Robin E. Abaya
I regret that, due to lack of time, I have been unable to read any of the recent Shamireaders posts about the U.S. and Libya. which are doubtless much more insightful than my poor contribution.
However, this, from a mainstream media source, confirms what I knew from the beginning: America has no clue about what it is doing in Libya. It's entirely possible that the Central Stupidity Agency is in the process of creating the next Bin Laden, just like they did the late first one.
"Because U.S. and allied intelligence agencies still have many questions about the identities and leadership of anti-Gaddafi forces, any covert U.S. activities are likely to proceed cautiously until more information about the rebels can be collected and analyzed, officials said.
The whole issue on (providing rebels with) training and equipment requires knowing who the rebels are," said Bruce Riedel, a former senior CIA Middle East expert who has advised the Obama White House."
Subject: Moammar Gadhafi
I don't understand enough about Libya to have a real position on what's going on there. I think Gadhafi is a bad man, and I also think U.S.-involvement there could well become another quagmire. I have no information at all on who the Opposition is, and I'm sure the C.I.A. has no real clue either. And from my vantage point in Kenya, I can't find out anything.
However, I did come across this fascinating story online.
Subject: Re: [shamireaders] Corrected Russians have second thoughts by Israel Shamir
I beg to differ. The Russians are the same. You only have to look at one example which is CHECHNYA!!
What's happening in Libya is to their advantage because of the extra cash they will gain from the increase in oil prices, among other reasons.
Any support for the brutal thieving crazy dictator and his gang is criminal. This doesn't mean that I have become pro empire.
Montreal - Canada
To which Israel Shamir replied:
Ya Mazin, you are one of the richest Arabs I know. You've got to hate Kaddafi the socialist. As for "the Russians are the same" - the same as what? And what is wrong with Chechnya?
Subject: Re: Libya and Obama's Defense of the 'Rebel Uprising' (James Petras)
The problem is you are as blinded as the Israelis and imperialists. You will not understand that the uprisings sweeping the Arab world are actually the same, regardless of whether the incumbent regime is pro- or anti-Zionist/American/Western. This shows how hard-headed you are, because what the Arab people want is nothing but what you take for granted. They do not so much want a particular government, no, they want the opportunity to install and throw out their governments one by one through the ballot box and without the need for bloodshed! And if that puts them in bed with the USA, as in Libya and Syria, so be it. If it means fighting US and Zionist interests as in Egypt and Yemen and Bahrain, they will do that too. But it is, in fact, the same yearning and struggle!!!
Funny Mr. Petras should end on a note of the Spanish civil war. Would he have advocated non-intervention back then as well, leaving it to the fascists to slaughter the progressives? I guess not. After all, internatinoal solidarity with a suffering people should be closer to our heart than the modern-day, far-from-"natural" construct of "national sovereignty" so beloved of all tyrants.
Subject: Protests Revolutions in Middle East North Africa U.S. Rothschild | Puppetworld Post
It is a shame that we have not seen the establishment of the equivalent, and similarly justified (mandated from biblical perspective) 'Christian Bank'. Such an institution would also proscribe the financing of evil projects, would help stabilise money by refusing to engage in gambling (with other's money) a practice which has reduced 'western' nations to debt slavery of late.
So why in all its history has the Vatican not instituted such an organisation?
It has the money. It has the influence. It would have the support of its many millions. It has the power.
This ethical and moral service WOULD dominate the finance industry- would eventually see the US 'Defense' sic- warmongering industry having to hold Bingo nights and yard sales in order to finance its wars, and the millions of poor Catholic families (like mine) who for generations led desperately harsh lives, underfed, overworked, and died either in fighting the plutocrat's wars or from sheer exhaustion and neglect, never having owned a yard of land or a home of their own, could have led far better lives, with medical care, decent education, and the security of a good cheap cottage to live in.
Such folk as mine were devout, extremely hard working, mostly skilled tradesmen and women. They demanded nothing from either church or state. expected nothing and so received nothing save demands to pay and to die in the service of both, and of course that other-superior state- which controls both, The Money Power.
Instead, the Vatican allows its financial affairs to be run by- guess who? And in who's interest?
Subject: Re: Spain: The "Most Anti-Semitic Country in Europe"
i previously knew nothing about him but by the end of this piece i had become an admirer of zapatero...
as for this:
".. along comes a study which says that many Spanish anti-Semites actually have Jewish blood..."
is that blood a different color, consistency or quality than what flows though other human's veins?
might continued belief in such racial nonsense play a role in some people being led to believe that those who fall into such intellectual and moral sinkholes of reason might actually be "different"..?
Subject: Re: Spain: The "Most Anti-Semitic Country in Europe"
“by the end of this piece i had become an admirer of zapatero”
me too, though only slightly. he is onboard the nato agenda 100%. and israel shamir's spanish translation was burned if i'm not mistaken.
Israel Shamir replied:
And the publisher imprisoned. He is still it jail.
Subject: RE: [SPAM] [shamireaders] Your Responses and Annunciation Blessings
The feast of Annunciation is my favorite: This is the New Testament version of Creation of the world. I always preferred it to the Old Testament’s one with Eve being fashioned out of Adam’s rib. No, rather, Heaven and Earth unite, and a God-Man is being brought forth; not even created, for he was there from the beginning.
Beautifully said! Thanks.
And now to business: With all due respect, Bros. Bahri and Hussein miss the point entirely. Whether Kadafi is a saint or a satan, it is not the business of Israel’s NATO puppets to decide who is to govern Libya. How can anybody not brain-dead, after seeing how NATO saved Iraq and Afghanistan, suggest that Libyans are worse off living under their present government than they would be if rescued by NATO?
John Wheat Gibson, Sr.
Subject: Re: [shamireaders] Your Responses and Annunciation Blessings
From my perch here in Kenya, I can confirm that the allegation about Gadhafi having African mercenaries is true. All the Kenyan ones ran away when the fighting started. It was quite a complicated operation, with several false starts, but Kenya Airways managed to carry away some of them.
Subject: RE: [shamireaders] Your Responses and Annunciation Blessings
The more I read all that is happening, the more I doubt the "rational" ideological explanations provided by all and sundry. Maybe popular revolutions are provoked by a peculiar combination of frustration, boredom, hormone rush, geomagnetic disruption and heightened electro-magnetic solar activity. Most people don't have a clue what they want, except that they wish to free, rich, healthy and preferably in high positions. In fighting Gadhaffi or Assad they are paving the way for the next tyrant to emerge or for a period of bloody anarchy and foreign exploitation. Afew will benefit by taking power and others will just go on with their lives, for better or worse. Sorry for this fatalistic assessment but Ibn Khaldu probably had it right in the Muqadima.
That cleans out our mailbag. For those of you who have read to the bottom, a little reward. For a ten-minute video you will not soon forget, Chris Hedges’ philippic on Israel’s oppression of Gaza… http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XjBttx6Gd2c