> 1. He would honor her because somehow he agreed with
Re: Allah told Muhammad (pbuh) the truth about Jesus
(as His apostle only) and told him to honor Virgin
Mary. Muhammad (pbuh) had no personal opinion, he was
but preaching what Allah told him. read 3.
> 2. So what about the Chapter in the Koran? Maybe
> there isn't a chapter devoted to her because, it
doesn't have> anything to do with > anything.
Re: How easily you have disregarded the honor given to
Virgin Mary in Quran and not in your own Bible.
Wow, Virgin Mary - mother of Jesus!! and "it doesnt
have anything to with anything!" Just shows your
interest in your Jesus's mother! And you ppl call
yourselves "devoted followers of Jesus"!! However,
point 2 is in next Q.
> 3. I don't know why he didn't include his relatives
> in it. Maybe
> becuase it had nothing to do with anything. Mary was
> a virgin in the
> miraculous verse, which is why the Koran mentions
Re: The main point here which was to be noted, was
ignored by you. We do not find any mention of Muhammad
(pbuh) wife,daughter,mother in Quran - BECAUSE it was
not written by him!! Allah revealed the verses through
Gibrael over a period of some 23 years. Muhammad
(pbuh) just preached - a only job of a Prophet! If you
think about it for a second, you'll realize the
significance of this point here. Quran is from Allah,
> 4. So you think Jesus is the Messiah? Well, do you
> think He died for
> your sins? This is all you have to believe to be a
> Christian, no
> Trinity, just that Jesus died for your sins.
Re: Yes Muslims believe Jesus is the Messiah. Tell me
something matt, yesterday it was all Trinity and today
"all I have to believe is he died for our sins, and
nothing else." Jesus was nothing more than a Prophet
of Allah. (Surah 2:136)Say ye (Muhammad pbuh): "We
believe in God, and the revelation given to us, and to
Abraham, Isma'il, Isaac, Jacob, and the Tribes, and
that given to Moses and Jesus, and that given to (all)
prophets from their Lord: We make no difference
between one and another of them: And we bow to God (in
> 5. He was begotten because the Bible says the Holy
> Spirit came and
> through It she was found to be with a child. That is
> where you get
> begotten, not actually biological. Even if it was
> how can you put
> God by your standards, in saying we couldn't
> attribute God to such
> lowly standards.
Re: The biggest problem is "because the Bible says
so". You keep on dreaming Bible is unaltered. You live
in your own world!! There is not one Christian in this
world who says Bible is not altered! What are you
talking about? Even priests admitts additions and
deletions in Bible over time [to an extent, every
verse is now suspicious]. When I give you a url to see
for yourself the contradictions,errors in Bible : you
refust to visit. What can I say? So keep on saying God
begets, I cant do anything. Its your belief. Not mine.
> 6. He says numerous times that He is the Son of God.
> And He doesn't
> say worship Me, hdidn't like that- You worship and
> pray to the Father
Re: Please quote from the Bible the exact statemnt "I
am the Son of God". Please do that, I'm interested in
that. As for you worship and pray to Father.. "well,
why dont you?" Why do you say then "Jesus my Lord?" Is
this not hypocrisy? or contradiction of a major kind?
At one point you say, Jesus is son of God - then you
quote Jesus saying "Worship Father". Still you worship
and pray to Jesus. Please dont say, Its symbolic, coz
i've had enough of that!
> 7. They are one in Diety. They are God.
Re: Does anywhere in Bible it is stated. I AM GOD?
doesnt "They are GOd" would mean : MULTIPLE into ONE?
Do you mean to say, there are multiple Gods all in
ONE? Where are you getting all these ideas? That is
why Quran says about the christians : "people who have
> 8. They didn't preach the same religion.
Re: How can you say that? It is your belief without
proof. I think matt, you need a REAL REAL SERIOUS
CRASH COURSE in Muhammad (pbuh) preachings. You'd be
surprise how similar Jesus and Muhammad (pbuh) and all
Prophets before them were!! I canot write all that
> 9. The Bible is not altered. The Bible is not
> altered, Muhamad
> believed this and humans can prove it.
Re: Again, with absolute zero knowledge on Muhammad
(pbuh) you say, Muhammad (pbuh) believe Bible is not
altered! What can I say?? Matt, if i remember it
right, you wrote in last email Muhammad (pbuh) married
Jew women! How ignorant! All her wives were STRICT
MUSLIMS. They are infact models for all of muslim
women today! If your source of information still
persists with "answering-islm.org", you'd never now
the Truth about Islam. These sites are meant for ppl
like you, to distract you from the reality. To feed
> 10. Why do you assume that just because Muhamad
> praised Jesus make
> Muhammad right? Why do you think that if he wasn't
> right then he
> would have to be malicious. I don't think he was bad
> intended, but I
> don't think he was a prophet.
Re: You dont "think" he was a prophet! Without no
knowledge whatsoever you end it all up by being
persoanl in opinion about the matter! Muhammad (pbuh)
praised Jesus, as well as Moses, David, Abraham etc.
They were all a family. A family of Allahs Prophets.
All with one mission. to warn ppl from saying
blashphemy against God that He has partners, or sons,
or daughters, or making representation, or images of
Him, or making attributes of Him by knowing nothing
about Him, by stating things about Him, you have no
knowledge about, saying sun is God or moon is, or a
man, or an idol, or a tree and worshipping anything or
anything EXCEPT ALLAH, the one who is ONE, the ONLY,
the absolute, who begets none nor was BEGOTTEN, and
there is no one LIKE HIM. That is the definition of
You are sooo far away Truth.
I have one another last question which I'd like you to
answer with honesty by being logical and rational.
This is concerning the matter, where Christians deny
mentioning the coming of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) in
According to Christian Scholars:
the Bible have so many things to say about the rise of
Soviet Russia and about the Last Days and even about
the Pope of the Roman Catholics?" But there is
supposedly nothing about Muhammed pbuh??? "Why is
that?" Surely this man Muhammed pbuh who had been
responsible for the bringing into being a worldwide
community of millions of Believers who, on his
authority, believe in:
(1) The miraculous birth of Jesus,
(2) that Jesus is the Messiah,
(3) that he gave life to the dead by God's permission,
and that he healed those born blind and the lepers by
Surely this book (the Bible) must have something to
say about this great Leader of men who spoke so well
of Jesus and his mother Mary?" (Peace be upon them
Unless of course, someone is hiding something...
I think I now see the need for a new revelation, in
the form of Quran, and so does Allah. What do you
, Farhan Noor
> <farhan_ie@y...> wrote:
> > 1. Tell me matt, do you have any qualms in
> > that Muhammed (pbuh) was an Arab? [I hope not, coz
> > that wud be the end of sanity here] Muhammad
> > was addressing other Arabs and none else, whether
> > agreed or not, that Mary the mother of Jesus, a
> > Jewess, was chosen above the women of all nations.
> > his own mother, nor his wife nor his daughter, nor
> > other Arab woman, but a Jewess! Why would the
> > of Islam honor a woman from his opposition! "It is
> > less than an inspiration sent down to him." (Surah
> > 53:4)
> > 2. There is a Chapter in the Holy Qur'�n, named
> > u Maryam "Chapter Mary", named in honor of Mary
> > mother of Jesus Christ, peace and blessings of
> > be upon him; again, such an honor is not to be
> > given to Mary in the Christian Bible. Out of the
> > books of the Protestants and 73 of the Roman
> > Catholics, not one is named after Mary or her son.
> > will find books named after Matthew, Mark, Luke,
> > Peter, Paul and two score more obscure names, but
> > a single one is that of Mary!
> > 3. If Quran was written by Muhammad (pbuh), as
> > URL suggests; then why did Muhammed (pbuh) not
> > in it with Mary, the mother of Jesus, his own
> > Aamina, his dear wife Khadija, or his beloved
> > Fatimah. But No! No! This can never be. The Qur'�n
> > not his handiwork!. It is but Surah (53:4) ".. no
> > than an inspiration sent down to him."
> > 4. Quran mentions Jesus as Messiah.
> > 5. You say Jesus is the begotten son of God. The
> > Muslim takes exception to the word "begotten",
> > begetting is an animal act, belonging to the lower
> > animal functions of sex. How can we attribute such
> > lowly capacity to God?
> > 6. There is not a single unequivocal statement
> > throughout the Bible, in all its 66 volumes of the
> > Protestant versions, or in the 73 volumes of the
> > Catholic versions, where Jesus claims to be God or
> > where he says "worship me". Nowhere does he say
> > he and God Almighty "are one" and "the same
> > "Where does Jesus say: 'I am God,' or 'I am equal
> > God,' or 'Worship me'?"
> > 7. "I and the Father are one." (John 10:30).
> > One in what? In their Omniscience? In their
> Nature? In
> > their Omnipotence? No! One in purpose!
> > I can go on..
> > a) Jesus was only an apostle of Allah, like Moses
> > Muhammad (pbuh).
> > b) All three preached SAME RELIGION, SAME MESSAGE.
> > c) bible is altered. Hence the need for Quran.
> > d) JESUS (AS) IS NOT GOD.
> > Think about it Matt. Why would Muhammad (pbuh) go
> > and on praising Jesus and Mary and Moses, if what
> > Muhammad (pbuh) was preaching anything other than
> > they had preached? They all were the Prophets of
> > same God, with the same Message.
> > Islam is the Truth.
> > an advice to you. If you want to learn about
> > dont got a hate-site [answering-islam] for
> > information. It is one of the most corrupted urls
> > net. Go seek a learned scholar.
> > Farhan i.e.
> > --- matt <tornadoes2@y...> wrote:
> > > 1. The Bible isn't corrupted
> > > a. The Koran said God sent it down, was it good
> > > then but somewhere in
> > > between then and now it got corrupted?
> > > making those versus
> > > outdated?
> > > b. The Jews didn't deny that Jesus was a
> prophet or
> > > that He existed, they
> > > denied he was the Messiah.
> > > c. How could they have made up the
> > > There where to many
> > > people that knew of it when it was written
> > > And if the Bible was still true
> > > by Muhamad's time, there was definately too
> > > people that knew
> > > otherwise.
> > > 2. If I say Jesus was not an apostle but the
> > > Messiah, that is not saying that
> > > Muhamad was told to preach that. I don't know
> why he
> > > said what he said, but
> > > the Church, the Bible, and all the believers
> > > here first.
> > > a. There are theories about where Muhamad got
> > > of his stuff. He had
> > > Jewish wives didn't he? Many Jews to this day
> > > believe that Muhamad and
> > > Jesus were sort of prophets. At least to bring
> > > people from idol worshipping
> > > and such. Wouldn't they know stories of Moses
> > > them? Maybe not well
> > > enough to get it right, though.
> > > 3. You keep saying Jesus is not the Son of God,
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